PADA: All we said is, that the post-1977 GBC gurus were supported by folks like Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, BV Puri, BP Puri and others and -- and they made a big mistake because, the 11 GBC are not gurus, were not gurus, could not have been gurus.
These folks all conjointly said -- we are bogus to criticize their 11 gurus, and their policy of backing and supporting of the 11, and even helping the 11 write apa-siddhanta "position papers," etc. So they (folks like you quoted, such as the BVML folks) first of all said we were bogus for not joining with them in support of the 11, and so we had to defend ourselves.
However, we are not bogus, the 11 are not, were not, could not have been gurus. All they have to do is admit they made a huge error, and move on? We did not make this error, we said these 11 are not gurus and we are correct. They said things like we are "bogus ritviks" because we failed to support the 11 and these folks who were at various times cheer leaders for the 11.
If there is someone who is not part of any of these groups, you failed to tell us who that is, all you did was to tell us you are citing the BVML folks, and these are the people I have mentioned above. If there is someone who was not part of the process of support of the 11, we have never heard of that person, and worse, you cited the web site of the people who did support the 11. Bona fide gurus do not support deviants posing as gurus, its not done, and they do not criticize people like us for addressing bogus gurus. ys pd