Monday, September 30, 2013

Krishna Kanta Desai's (IRM) Compromising

Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu. All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada. All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas. Please accept my humble obeisances. 

Dear PADA Prabhu, I talked to some so-called Prabhupadanugas, who are followers of Krishna Kanta Desai Prabhu. I don't know where to write this comment, I will join Your Google Group very soon. 

Dear Krishna Kanta Desai Prabhu, you betrayed, His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada!!! Your disciple said to me;"We must leave everything to Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada". Srila Prabhupada will ask the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krsna to intervene. 

Furthermore, he told me that it was the karma of the abused ex gurukuli's!!! They deserved what happened to them! If he didn't live in another city, I would get there, and as a woman break all his teeth!!! Krishna Kanta Desai Prabhu, what are you doing? You teach them to read only Hindi books from bogus writers, not the Bhagavata Gita as it is.


[PADA: Yes, Krishna Kanta Desai virulently opposed PADA when we forwarded the poison issue in 1997. He said this issue would make a wedge so that he could not make a compromise with the GBC gurus, and he was meeting with those gurus to "make a deal." He complained that PADA was wrecking his deal brokering process, and if we would stop our PADA newsletters, and the poison issue, then he could get the GBC to become ritviks. We said nope, you cannot make a deal with rascals.

Thus in 1997, KKD / IRM wanted us to stop writing the PADA newsletter and to go live in the Caribbean, and they were going to pay for me to stop writing and send me on a permanent vacation there. Of course if I were living in the Caribbean at that time, then I probably would have been assassinated there. 

Then, KKD said that we were ALSO wrong to address the child molesting issue. He said (as did some of the GBC's gurus clan) that the molesting and resultant suicides of the children was "their karma." And that is also what Narayana Maharaja said, "what is the problem, yes the program we support molests children, but so what, it is their karma." In other words, the IRM wanted to support the people who created all the molesting and "work with them." Which is of course why the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Pancali group always cite the IRM as their authority, they agree with the IRM strategy to surrender to the molester messiahs program, and kick the children under the bus.  

And so shortly after that, the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad group joined with KKD on opposing the molesting issue to defend the molester infrastructure leaders, and so they all agreed on the policy that the children oppressing regime should be saved, and the children should just be molested, and then they should not protest, and they should just die. Why? "Its their karma," and so -- who gives a hoot? 

And these folks were (and still are) infuriated that anyone would interfere with their giving bad karma to these children. They claimed that the children were just getting what they deserved, thus we should not point out the defects of the molester guru program, because they wanted to form an alliance with that regime, and the children should simply suffer in silence. And if there is a suicide problem, so what, who cares, they deserve to die, its their karma.   

Then they wondered why we have to get help from the karmis when these "great devotees" are jack booting children in the head like this? They actually still believe it has been their duty to have suicides of children continue, so the children could get their karma. But its not their karma? If you folks are trying to work with the molester regime, and simultaneously are impeding PADA from helping these children, then the molesting problem and resultant suicide problem becomes YOUR karma, because you are compromised with their regime. And then they wonder why people think they are such sick and evil fools? People treat their dogs better than many of these people treat Srila Prabhupada's children.     

So they have been protecting the GBC molester gurus program indirectly, as IRM has done by trying to thwart us, or directly as the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Pancali / Nickalus Evens team is doing today, by their working with Bhakta das to promote the GBC guru regime leaders like Radhanath, again -- as they are still doing today. So they are in different ways still in love with the molester messiahs program and that is why they oppose us for exposing their program, because they are still in league with that program by their promoting / defending.      

A vaishnava is not happy to see others suffering, while these IRM / NM / Prahlad people are applauding children's suffering by saying, they deserve it, let them suffer and die, who cares if children suffer? Lets work with the regime that victimized these children, as KKD wanted to do in 1997, and as the Prahlad people are doing by working with Bhakta / Radhanath today. They are compromised with the molester guru regime, and that is why they are saying these children are just getting what they deserved. 

So this is why even the karmi public is appalled by these people like IRM / Prahlad / Pancali / Nickalaus Evans folks, these people wanted to see children suffer and even die, and anyone who helps the children, they will kick them in the head with their jack boots. They are apparently infuriated that some children -- lived? The children should just get their karma, and die, who cares? And its worse than not caring, they are actually infuriated that some of these children are still alive, they wanted the children to suffer and die and "get their karma." 

OK, but who put the GBC guru regime / NM / KKD / IRM / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad people in charge of dishing out this type of karma to children? So they are basically alike with the GBC gurus, they think they have the authority to dish out karma to others. Even children.  

They actually wanted children to suffer and even die and they are infuriated anyone would try to save these children. Yes, karmis always ask me that all the time, how sick are these people? They never heard of such sick and evil people before, they want children to suffer and die, just so these children can "get their karma"? The karma this group is causing itself. So yes, that helps cover up for the GBC gurus program. They are still with that agenda. 

And that is why Prahlad is now licking the jack boots of Bhakta and Radhanath, he is licking the jack boots of the leaders of the molester messiahs program. That means he loves the molester messiahs and he is angry that some of his children victims were saved from "getting karma" of molesting and suffering. They are actually angry that some people are not suffering and "getting their karma"? That means they are still in love with the molester messiahs program and the idea that defended that program -- "its karma," and yes, that is what some in the molester messiahs program also said. So they are still in league with the molester messiahs, that is the same argument that we heard from some of them at the time, and so the IRM / Prahlad simply has now joined with that campaign. 

Meanwhile, the IRM opposed the poison issue and still does? Again this shows how that Prahlad team is trying to suppress the poison issue by working with the opponents of that issue.

So they are still thinking that there will be some big happy reunion of the GBC and the IRM, and Krishna will arrange that. OK what they are really saying is that no one should address the molesting and poison issue, to save the necks of their bogus gurus. So the IRM has failed, and that is why they were eventually booted out of Bangalore, they want a compromise with the evil doers, and that is why they have not been taken too seriously. 

And that is why Prahlad cites the IRM all the time, he wants to join with KKD in a compromise with the molester messiahs "let them all die, its their karma" program as well. Prahlad actually supports the people who said we need to chop up these children, so he wants to dish out even worse karma to the victims of his program. No wonder he is working with the IRM now. They never answer the first question, who authorized either the molester messiahs, or their defenders like the IRM / Prahlad, to dish out this karma in the first place? Are you folks better than Yamaraja? 

They said this is all karma, that means they think they are equals to Lord Yama, they are authorized to orchestrate having children molested and then have them die from suicides. They actually believe they are equals to Lord Yama and they can dish out karma to children like this. No one is allowed to dish out molesting and suicide karma to children like this, anymore than we can dish out karma to cows and kill and eat them. That's not our job description, acting like Lord Yama. 

Hence, they were infuriated (and they still are) because I said we need to address the poison issue, save the children etc. Well too bad, most people agreed with us that these are important issues, the cat is now out of the bag. Thus KKD is dwindling in influence because of his compromise attitude. So right now, we are gaining momentum like anything, while the IRM is losing, because the IRM folks are somehow tethered to the GBC's guru program. More and more people are agreeing with us, the bogus appointment issue, changed books issue, the molesting issue, poison issue, every issue has to be addressed. We are not going to eliminate issues to save the GBC gurus and their compromiser crew. 

All these compromisers are falling away because, almost everyone is gradually waking up to the fact that the GBC gurus are evil, and the people who defend them by saying their victims are getting karma, are the other side of the same coin as these bogus gurus. These fools are also then de facto saying, Srila Prabhupada got his karma to get poisoned, because they are defending the team that caused that complaint from him. Sorry, you people are not authorized to dish out these karmas to others, you simply are -- not! ys pd]


  1. Don't make a huge fuss about something from 1997 heard from bhakta Feivel Mauskewitz. Nobody says children have bad karma and should suffer. Krishnakant has no followers, these are Prabhupada's followers. Prabhupada was poisoned to death by his secretaries. TKG received punishment, Bhavananda is new cheif of Mayapur. What can be done? He's on the list to become a guru next year.

  2. Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
    Please accept my most fallen and humble obeisances.
    All Glories to the real Prabhupadanugas.

    Dear PADA Prabhu, You are right from all angle of vision .You are right, these are the most important issues.
    We can't pretend that these important issues, never happened.
    It is Always the same saying,it is their Karna, forgive for my words, but these so-called Bogus Guru's, GBC men, Dull Headed Prahalad group, etc, thinks that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is just like a head of a post office, if you did good, you get good results, and if you did wrong, you will get your worse karma, one stamp here and one stamp there.
    But these are all evil people, because they forgot,that the little jiva, has a little independence, and they misused it!!! Abusing children, don't you all have a heart?
    It hurts so much when you read their stories, they are suffering you evilminded so-called vaisnavas!!!
    I don't want your rotten Karma, take it yourself!!! I wish Lord Yamaraja, will chop all your heads and feed them to the animals, who live on his Planet!!!

    Thank You again and again, that You didn't compromise with them, otherwise, they would also kill You. Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada saved You, and I'm very grateful to Them.
    I'm very grateful to You PADA Prabhu, that You didn't stop writing!!!

    Children are innocent, they are our future!!! You all evilminded Bogus Guru's GBC Men, IRM, Prahalad Bogus disciple of a Bogus Guru, ASK YOUR BOGUS GURU TO CHOP YOUR HEAD!!!
    And if he can't let he send you to me, I will chop your no brain head, and say to your group,sorry it was his KARMA!!!

    And You also Poisened Srila Prabhupada, was this His Karma!!! Where are you now, with your comments!!!. Or are you all zombies!!!
    To all devotees, who are supporting these SO-CALLED, GBC MEN, BOGUS GURU'S AND PRAHLAD,TAKE THEIR KARMA.
    You all will suffer!!!
    All Glories to His Divine, A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabupada.
    All Glories to the real Prabhupadanugas.
    Please accept my fallen and humble obeisances.
    Hare Krsna.
    Always Your servant,

  3. It was very devotee like for KKD to try and make peace with the GBC and he also knew that they are in a powerful position and to defeat them would take a long time and be very difficult. So I think he tried his best to negotiate with GBC but they did not play ball but KKD has put ritvik on the map and has had a great influence in opening up peoples eyes to the truth. So I find it sad that we should be so critical of him, so heavily after all he has done and is doing. Just like it is wrong to be so critical of pada so heavily after all that pada has done and is doing.

  4. OK so Krishna Kant should take down his criticism of PADA for addressing the book changes issue, poison issue, molesting issue and so on, and admit, papering over these issues has not worked. PADA is being taken serious because we address these issues head on, and do not try to compromise.

    The IRM lost easily half his manpower over opposing PADA on the poison issue, KKD lost many of his men when he opposed us on the book changes issue, he has lost many people for opposing us on the molesting issue, he lost Bangalore support for his wanting to compromise with the GBC gurus, he is losing everyone except Prahlad by his saying the children are just getting their karma and deserve to suffer and die, so why not admit, he was (and is) wrong to oppose us on these issues, and take his complaints off his web site?

    He never ever writes to us, ever, rather he keeps the same complaints he made in 1997 on his site, he is in a time warp, its no longer 1997? He should admit we are the ones who forwarded the issues everyone is taking notice of now, and move ahead with the rest of the Prabhupadanugas.

    However, its seems he has not learned anything form 1997? He is still saying what NM and some of the GBC clan said, -- so what, the children are getting their karma? He is repeating the GBC guru clan and NM slogans? He needs to start to repeat the Prabhupadanugas, not the slogans of the evil regime.

    And thus he is simply giving ammunition to the Bhakta / Prahlad / Radhanath crew by keeping his old complaints on his site, because these people are quoting KKD all the time? He was compromised with the evil regime, and he still is because the supporters and defenders of the evil regime are using his writings to attack these important issues.

    He needs to clean up these things, and if he is still saying the children are just getting their karma, he needs to communicate with others who know this is the most appalling thing to still continue to say at this juncture, it makes him look like he is a heartless defender of evil against children, and / or he is still sitting at the feet of these gurus. And he still has his opposing the poison issue on his site etc.

    He needs to clean this up, and if he wants to continue to support GBC guru slogans, that means, he is either compromised or not aware of how much pain his comments are making to others. Perhaps someone can talk to him about all this. Saying the children are getting their karma are the exact words of some of the molester regime clan, we have to separate from them, or be lumped in with them. Why is he still saying what the regime clan was saying in 1997? Does he not know, its no longer 1997? ys pd

  5. Yes, it does not matter if it is 1997 or 20,097. Their idea that molested children are just getting their bad karma, that children get abuse and that is what they deserve, its not moral or justice. This will never be acceptable. Prahlad people saying the children need to be killed to cover up the problem will also never be accepted in human society. This is not acceptable in human society at all, humans have mercy on their childrens, that is human being. This is why Srila Prabhupada said, first be a human being, thats all, come to this at least.

  6. You don't go to a murder trial and listen to a judge say it was the victims Karma. In a normal healthy society the criminal is apprehended and if found guilty goes to prison, the victims are grieved for and if still alive given all necessary support. In Iskcon it’s the opposite.

    I am tired of Iskcon and NM's group use of the word Karma like that is the final button on the issue. Karma isn't just a past tense action being resolved in the present, it is also about free will and how our conduct today creates the reactions for tomorrow.

    It is a heinous crime what happened to those children and it is just as heinous to suggest it was their Karma. A group of people who were responsible for the most vulnerable people (children) had a choice to do the right thing and protect them or to let creatures attack them and they chose the latter and rewarded those creatures like Bhavananda, and he is still being rewarded today.

    Narayan Maharaja was asked about the molestation of the Iskcon children and he said it directly "It was their Karma". He never mentioned the criminals that committed the crime and how they should be punished and locked up. Jadarani/Shyamarani is now travelling around the world giving interviews to talk back radio stations, she was asked about this 400 million dollar lawsuit re: the child molestations and she repeated the same thing "Ah it was just their Karma"

    These people are crazy, they have zero spiritual credibility, even the Karmi world sees them as totally insensitive to what happened. It is no wonder Iskcon has not changed because the rank file just ignore the issue and say it was all in the past and blame it on the children.

    It will never be in the past until they deal with it and until those criminals pay for what they have done. They should have gone public and handed all of the people who were involved to the police. They should have accepted the Windle Turley case as their Karma for not protecting the children of Iskcon and they should have paid the 400 million and closed North America if that’s what it would take to pay that amount. Then there would have been some honesty and truth, but the children never got that they simply get told it was their karma. They make me sick to my guts.

    Ys jsr!

  7. Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupapada.
    All Glories to the real Prabhupadanugas.
    Please accept my fallen and humble obeisances.

    Dear PADA Prabhu, I have signed in Your website.
    This week I have very busy schedule, please forgive for that.
    And I also bought a new pc, Friday,they will complete it, so that no one can hacked it.
    Anonymous, shut your mouth, it is not a big Fuzz!!!
    What do you know about KKD!!!
    These are important issues, KKD has followers okay, he is not writing anything, but his followers, when they get your home adress,sending PrabhupadaMagazine and include,a letter,to become a member!!!

    Maybe You are KKD, who knows!!!
    Dear PADA Prabhu, thank You again and have a little patient with me.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
    All Glories to the real Prabhupadanugas.
    Hare Krsna.
    Please accept my fallen and humble obeisances also to the Anonymous Prabhu You are right; ''This will never be acceptable".
    Always your servant,

  8. I think KKD was trying to focus on on just one issue i.e to get Srila Prabhupada back as the only Diksa Guru in ISKCON, he probably thought that all the other issues would also become sorted once this was done. As we still have not got the diksa issue sorted then logically the other issues will still be there also. I am fairly sure that KKD does not wish any ill for the abused children and I suspect like any sane person /devotee he has great sympathy for them. He just wants the diksa issue to be sorted and then the other problems would be eased. It is very hard to get the GBC to be changed/improved and since they are in a stronger position than the opposition I think the opposition should combine together to get some more strenghth but alas I do not have much faith in that happening unfortunately.

  9. KKD is saying he is a rtvik, and he has done some nice things, no doubt, and that's all nice, but then he quotes the bogus gurus slogans and positions on some of the main issues? He should be working with us, and not quoting the bogus gurus? ys pd

  10. Some of Srila Prabhupada's God brothers were little bit attracted to his preaching, but were nt genuine. They did not really help him.

    Some were neutral, in between, not helpful, not opposing. Some were opposing and hurtful. So, most of them were compromised, then he could not really work with any of them in the end. Even the ones who were a little friendly were not really working with him.

    This seems to be the same problem in ISKCON. Not many people really are serious about pushing Prabhupada's idea. They want to stay in their comfort zone of false ISKCON society friends and love, even though that is false shelter. As we all know by now anyway.

    They want to be with same people who ruined ISKCONs mission. Thats the same of what many of the Srila Prabhupada brothers thought, we need to be in the shelter of the mission, even though the mission is going bad. Compromise. IRM thinks we need to stay in the mission to reform the gurus, ISKCON Reform.

    That means they really do not know how bad these people are. Same as Srila Prabhupada's brothers, they thought they had to work with the bad people, and they would not later on reform them. They could not. They should have just left like Prabhupada did and worked with him and leave the bad mission behind.

    Thanks for your work, I read every day.

  11. If someone asked a question to Srila Prabhupada, for example, "Why was this woman raped?", he might answer "It is because in a previous birth she was a man who raped a woman" or "she was the man and the man who is raping her now was the same woman he in his last life raped as a man and now he is coming back as a woman in this life to be raped by the same man" OR he might simply say "It is her KARMA that she is being raped."

    Does that mean Srila Prabhupada says "It is her karma" that he is advocating she be raped? Does that mean he wanted her to be raped? No he doesn't want his disciples or anyone else for that matter to suffer so if he said it was someone's karma to suffer and that was the reason why they were suffering it is just a fact.

    He told us India is behind the West in so many ways, that was due to ignoring the will of Krishna, in other words it was their karma, because they knew better than the West but still were ignoring him. Does that mean he was gloating about it? No, he was giving an instruction, "Follow Krishna". So in the same way instead of complaining that they are being raped the kulis should just serve Krishna and stop rejecting Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna. Otherwise how else are they ever going to get rid of their karma? They won't.

  12. Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu.
    All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
    Please accept my fallen and humble obeisances.

    Dear PADA Prabhu, You can delete if You want,it is Your website.
    These are the so-called Prahupadanugas and followers of KKD, it is the truth.
    Madan Gopala Das(HKS)
    Sundar Govinda(BCS)
    Krishnapriya d.d.(BCS)
    Surpati das(RGS)
    Go Mati d.d. (RGS)
    Sri Pati Das(RGS)
    Sri Srinivasa dasa(RGS)
    Rampriya d.d.(RGS)
    And Bhakta Suresh Paragh is the rapist, everyone knows this.
    It was Sundar Govinda Das, who told me that it was the karma of the abused children!!!
    And Madan Gopal, is a vanaprastha, for hours he is in a room with Monique talking, no one must disturb him!!!
    And the worst of all is the Namahatta leader, Rudhabhava das(BTS), who is going around with a young girl and enjoying her company, his wife Shamisvari dd(BTS) approved this!!!
    And they call themselves Prabhupadanugas!!!
    You can delete this message, but is the truth!!!
    All Glories to His Divine Grace,A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
    All Glories to the real Prabhupadanugas.
    I will comment, and I want to see, who is going to stop me!!!
    Hare Krsna.
    Always Your servant,


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