***CORRECTING ISKCON'S GURU SYSTEM***
BHAKTI CHARU SWAMI: Srila Bhaktisidhanta Sarasvati Thakura was an extremely brilliant personality who attracted countless luminaries of his time within the fold of his Gaudiya Matha. However, soon after his disappearance when the Gaudiya Matha disintegrated, in spite of all those luminaries the propagation of Krsna Consciousness practically stopped.
Srila Prabhupada explained that, that happened because most his prominent followers could not understand the importance of continuing his mission through the institution he established. They held on to the traditional concept and concluded that a spiritual heritage could not effectively continue through an institution managed by a bunch of mundane managers, they defied the instruction of their spiritual master and appointed an acarya [who eventually fell down].
The institution that he so meticulously structured collapsed. Srila Prabhupada, in order to protect his ISKCON from such an unfortunate possibility, emphatically told us not to make the same mistake that his God-brothers made after his Guru Maharaja’s disappearance (and appoint premature gurus).
He advised us to continue the mission under the authority of a collective management structure. Nevertheless, after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, we in ISKCON also made the similar mistake. Thinking that Srila Prabhupada had appointed 11 successors we also plunged into the same exact syndrome of appointing spiritual heads of the institution, presuming that after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance they inherited ISKCON (and the acharya post).
In 1987, about 10 years after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, this mistake was addressed by concerned leading devotees of ISKCON, but was not fully corrected. Just by adding more gurus, and allowing them to initiate wherever they could attract disciples, the original mistake was only diluted to some extent but was not really corrected. Recently, the GBC body became painfully aware that through that mistake a parallel line of authority has been created in ISKCON, which is causing a considerable amount of damage to the institution and is stifling the growth of the movement.
It is very laudable of the GBC body that they have taken this issue very seriously and are working hard to rectify it. In order to effectively establish an institution we need two essential elements – the head of the institution, and its management structure. In ISKCON we have to be absolutely clear that Srila Prabhupada is the head of the institution and he will continue to be that as long as the institution lasts, and the management structure Srila Prabhupada established – the GBC, temple presidents, departmental heads, etc, must be fully functional without any deviation.
If we compare the institution of ISKCON to a corporate structure, then we must recognize that Srila Prabhupada is the proprietor of ISKCON, and the other leaders of this institution are the managers. The managers manage, and although they get their remunerations and incentives for that, the profit belongs to the proprietor. In ISKCON, it is important that we clearly recognize the fact that everything in ISKCON, including even all the devotees, belongs to Srila Prabhupada, then only this mistake that is stifling the growth of our institution will be rectified and Krsna Consciousness movement will start to spread once again, all over the world, in leaps and bounds. BCS
When Walt Disney died he had his body frozen until the day science would be able to revive him and bring him back to life so he could again enjoy being the head of the Disney Empire. He was frozen cryogenically but was getting frostburnt when his son, through a lawyer, yanked the plug that kept the freezer going for old Walt. Similarly if the "Gurus" of ISKCON feel they aren't allowed to steal the resources for themselves what reason will they have for going on? Some of them will no doubt be yanking out the cord themselves, indeed, they already have, in favor of becoming the masters now instead of the servants.
ReplyDeleteHare Krsnna Bhakti Charu Swami.
ReplyDeleteAll Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
Dear Bhakti Charu Swami, I have only one question, did You told all your disciples this, that they are disciples of His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada?
Why this question, because they still think, that they are your disciples and hate everyone who choose A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada as their Gurudeva. And took shelter of His Divine Lotus Feet.
I hope Maharaja, you will also put this writing in your isthagosti forum, were everyone can read this and stop hating the devotees, who accepted His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada as their Gurudeva, life after life.
Dear PADA Prabhu, I don't have the time now, to write a long comment, because I have no time.
All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, Founder Acarya of ISKCON.
All Glories to all Prabhupadanugas.
Hare Krsna.
Please accept my humble obeisances.
Always Your servant.
dasianudasi
Hare-krishna!
DeletePAMHO! AGTSG&SG! AGTHDGSP!
I remember so many events including initiation ceremony & prabhupada memorial festival. I am proud to be the disciple of HH BCS Maharaj as he is a bonfire spiritual master & perfect followers of disciplic succession & HDG Shrila prabhupada. He always says that, he is not our guru but, prabhupada is our bonafide spiritual master. HH Gurudev always remind us on all occassion that, Sheila prabhupada is our guru and hh is only representatives of HDG.
Perhaps this type of unlimited qualities, prabhupada found in hh bcs maharaj and therefore he choose himself as one of the prime leader of Iskcon.
And whereas, if someone pointing question and finger to the decision of prabhupada is sinful act hence, may be punished by prabhupada.
Personally I have felt many time that, prabhupada is live and also let me share with you all that, I had been begging 'prabhupada please give me guru like you' as I wanted himself as my spiritual master. And prabhupada planned & gifted me the shelter of H H BCS Maharaj.
Guru maharaj please forgive these offenders and bless them with faith.
Haribol-lxmiptidas@gmail.com/9967926337.
"... Srila Prabhupada is the proprietor of ISKCON, and the other leaders of this institution are the managers ... even all the devotees, belong(s) to Srila Prabhupada ..."
ReplyDeleteSo BCS here does acknowledge Srila Prabhupada is the only guru-acarya in ISKCON? Interesting article! Could have made it a little more elaborate.
The above is the 2nd half of an article published more than 4 years ago:
ReplyDeletehttp://iskconklnews.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/stumbling-blocks-and-steping-stones/
The whole idea of correcting gurus is instant insanity.
ReplyDeleteBhakti Caru Swami simply fools all the Vaishnavas that he was actually Harikesa's direct co-perpetrator in supporting the mass kicking out of devotees for 20 years.
ReplyDeleteSo all his talk is simply divert attention to make others think that deep within he's a good person.
Whereas in reality he is a real satanist and not a Vaishnava. His only attempt is to gain power and prestige.
1978-1998 hundreds of senior devotees were driven out of ISKCON by perfidious means and BCS was yet another henchman of the zonals. Not only henchman, he wanted to become a full fledged zonal by taking lesson from "grand master" Harikesa how to expertly throw devotees overboard and make it look like caused by the devotees.
Hare Krsna Pratyatosa Prabhu.
ReplyDeleteAll Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
Dear Prabhu, thank You for Your Information, I will read it.
It is true Supermind Prabhu. He could have made it a little more elaborate.
It seems that Bhakti Charu Swami simply fools the devotees, if this article was published more than 4 years ago.
What should we do with this article, read and what is the next?
Sorry Bhakti Charu Swami, we are not fools anymore, it is over to donate laxmi for you and for your stupid disciples.
They even buy huge appartments in Vrndavana, and sell it for 100000 euro's and fight with each other.
I can't understand why you approve this, when a devotee sends you a mail, about the fighting with each other, you simply said, it is not your problem. You have to deal with your senior devotees, and the poor devotee, lost all his laxmi.
Thank You very much for your support!!!
Let them fight and kill each other!!!
You don't care about them, you not even know how many devotees are suffering, and your secretary is editing all the mails, because they don't want to disturb you.
You are sannyasi, and has nothing to do with all these materials things.
But if we read all the mails send by your secretary(not anymore), about your cruise and spenidng so much laxmi for all your godbrothers Maharaja, than why participate in a cruise, renting a hotel in Malaga, with a swimming pool? These are also material things!!!
IT IS TRUE THE WHOLE IDEA OF CORRECTING GURUS IS INSTANT INSANITY!!!
All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
Hare Krsna.
Always Your servant,
dasianudasi
When we do not have faith in our own devotion then, we loose faith in other vaishnava as result thus, we become envious & critic to devotee's like BCSM?
ReplyDeleteAll glories to Shrila Prabhupada.
Lakshmipati das/9967926337.
Devotee never criticize rather welcome one who criticize him.
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The GBC guru system is failing, They are not emphasizing Srila Prabhupada correctly. BCS says that himself. He is agreeing with us. ys pd
ReplyDeleteSomeone sent me a long description of how BCS promoting only Srila Prabhupada. When I hit publish, it vanished. Some sort of error. Anyway, sorry about that. The real question is, the GBC says acharyas are often debauchees and are engaged in illicit sex etc., where has BCS come out and said the GBC is bogus for saying acharyas are always falling down into maya? Where has he disassociated from the rest of the GBC? ys pd
ReplyDeleteThis is not about envying anyone or criticizing this or that individual just for the sake of it. I think, my dear Laxsmipati das Prabhu, that it would be more accurate to state: when we do not have enough faith in the order and teachings of HDG Srila Prabhupada exactly as he has given them to us, due to our conditioned nature we will most likely fall under the allurement of self-conceit and will thus attempt to change everything he said, or override his orders falsely thinking we know better. So, positive criticism among us, who are aspiring vaisnavas, although it may seem harsh or insulting should actually be welcomed, for it might just re-awake the sincere devotional inspiration that initially brought us under the lotus feet of our beloved Srila Prabhupada. My humble obeisances unto you and everyone else. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! All glories to Sri-Sri Nitai-Gauranga! Hare Krsna!
ReplyDeleteDear lakshmipati das.
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Dear Laksmipati Prabhu, let me be clear, to you, I know your Maharaja for so many years, may be you are newcomer?
Several disciples of your Maharaja don't want to see him personally, they have left ISKCON, what do you know, about them?
I know them, and many of them are sick and if they mail your maharaja,they don't get a answer. As I wrote in one of my comments,your Maharaja his seceretary, edit all the mails, and you know what they think? He is a dog of all you stupid devotees
A Guru is not a dog, of any devotees. Go read the Books of His Divine Grace, A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada!!!
Before you accuse me of anything!!!
They gave everything they had for the benefit of your Maharaja,and they loved him with all their heart and soul. They worshipped him like he was, His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhakitvendanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Everytime Maharaja, asked for donation,they never hestitate to donate.
But when they had and have problems, were is your maharaja now?
Please don't write about devotion,, does your Maharaja has 26th qualities? Ask him if you dare!
He will tell you,I'm the servant of the servant.
Í don't have 26th qualities, can't you read, what I have written, dasianudasi.
I'm not critizing your Maharaja, and I REPEAT,REPEAT,REPEAT, I'm not envious of him, he broke different hearts, Can you imagine or live in their situation how they feel, Crying and bowing down to His Divine Grace, A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, that they felt betrayed by your maharaja?
If you can't , don't write comments, if you don't know the backgrounds of the dasas and dasis!
I have only faith in His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, and I have rejected your maharaja, it is my choice, and don't come with your nonsense, I will go to Hell,and all the so-called transcendental knowledge of vaisnavapradha, bla, bla, bla.
I'm happy now, I feel free from these so-called godbrothers and sisters, who never help anyone, because they think, they are pure devotees!!!
PADA Prabhu has opened our eyes,and it was our choice, to accept or not accept!!!
Last thing for you Laksmipati das, why is your Maharaja, who is a devotee, not helping his Godsister in Canada? He can ask all his disciples to donate for Her, and you will see it for yourself, if they do it or not?
All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C.Bhaktivedanta, Swami Srila Prabhupada, Founder Acarcya of ISKCON.
All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
Please accept my humble obeisances.
Always Your servant,
dasianudasi
Hare Krsna PADA Prabhu.
ReplyDeleteAll Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhakitvedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
This is for Lakshmipatidas.
Hare Krsna Laksmipatidas, just read it careful and write your comment, that this is not true.
This Year in Belfast, when your Maharaja Prabhu, was in his car and had a conversation with Bhakta Summon Roy, may be you have his mail send to you in your isthagosthi Forum. What did they talked about?
They were laughing, your Maharaja said;"The Ritviks thinks, that we are failures".
Is this not true Prabhu?
Ritviks are, what Pragosha Prabhu said to Pratyatosa Prabhu, in his article on this website;"Ritviks are Acarcyas, that Srila Prabhupada, appointed 11 guru's to initiate on His behalf".
Tell me Lakshmipati Prabhu, who are the Ritviks? The 11 appointed Gurus?
Who are failures than? Not the Prabhupadanugas, this is commen sense.
Do you want that I critize you Prabhu?
You will cry like a baby, you can write;"Devotee never criticize rather welcome one who criticizie".
Tell me this Prabhu, why did your Maharaja was crying outside, when Srila Prabhupada, left this planet, but He is still alive!!!
Didn't your Maharaja, who is a graduate chemist of the University of Hamburg, knew, what was going one in Srila Prabhupada's room in Vrndavana?
A graduate chemist knows, which things you can combine together to give somone to drink.
For your information, I'm also a graduate from the University, but I never walk with these Jara Vidhya, I need it for my work.
I'm a servant, and daughter of His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada and the Prabhupadanugas, is it clear to you now Prabhu?
If you want o curse me go ahead, this is Kaliyuga, it will have only effect if you are a pure devotee with 26th qualities.
Sooner later you will find out what the elite disciples with do to you, if you don't have any laxmi!
Than you will come to your senses.
I will read your comment Prabhu, my time is very valuable. Work has to be done!!!
Dear PADA Prabhu, I know sometimes ,I'm very harsh in my words, but what I have experience in ISKCON, you must have a brain of a steel, to digest it.
But due to the mercy from His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhakitivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, we all are still alive, and thank You very much again for Lord Nrsimha Kavaca.
I want to Thank You and all the Prabhu's like Supermind , and others, who supported me with their comments.
Please accept my humble obeisances to all of You,
Always Your servant,
dasianudasi
Hare Krsna.
All Glories to His Divine Grace, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
All Glories to the Prabhupadanugas.
Always Your servant,
dasianudasi