ROCANA DAS
July 30, 2019 — CANADA (SUN) —
We have experienced from many perspectives how individuals and groups of devotees are dedicated to protecting Srila Prabhupada. We hear this sentiment from the ISKCON camp, the Rtvik camp, and even from the Narayana Maharaja camp, to a certain degree. In fact, it's almost become a platitude. From my perspective, the real challenge lies in coming to agreement on a uniform definition of who Srila Prabhupada is, beginning at the very top level, meaning what spiritual platform he is on.
July 30, 2019 — CANADA (SUN) —
We have experienced from many perspectives how individuals and groups of devotees are dedicated to protecting Srila Prabhupada. We hear this sentiment from the ISKCON camp, the Rtvik camp, and even from the Narayana Maharaja camp, to a certain degree. In fact, it's almost become a platitude. From my perspective, the real challenge lies in coming to agreement on a uniform definition of who Srila Prabhupada is, beginning at the very top level, meaning what spiritual platform he is on.
[PADA: Rocana says that we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada, whatever platform he is on because that is the "Bogus Church of Ritviks." Its not relevant at all what platform he is on, if he is not going to be the worshiped person of the religion, and his worship is going to be attacked as "the church idea."]
In my mind, making such a determination begins with coming to a determination of whether he is a nitya-siddha or a sadhana-siddha. If out of sentiment one says that Srila Prabhupada is nitya-siddha, a designation popularly placed on Srila Prabhupada by some devotees, that in itself is at least a true statement. The question is, what is the level of realization behind the statement.
In the context of ISKCON the question is, what official presentation of Srila Prabhupada is being made that establishes Srila Prabhupada 100% in that position of nitya-siddha? In other words, what are all the symptoms or indications exhibited throughout Srila Prabhupada's entire life and pastimes that lead us to believe that he is a nitya-siddha? Unfortunately, we find that ISKCON offers no such definitive statement.
In the context of ISKCON the question is, what official presentation of Srila Prabhupada is being made that establishes Srila Prabhupada 100% in that position of nitya-siddha? In other words, what are all the symptoms or indications exhibited throughout Srila Prabhupada's entire life and pastimes that lead us to believe that he is a nitya-siddha? Unfortunately, we find that ISKCON offers no such definitive statement.
http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/vada/writings/sampradaya_acarya.htm
Years ago I wrote my Sampradaya Acarya paper, in which I make the argument that Srila Prabhupada is a nitya-siddha, and not only that, but also a Sampradaya Acarya.
Years ago I wrote my Sampradaya Acarya paper, in which I make the argument that Srila Prabhupada is a nitya-siddha, and not only that, but also a Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: Yes, that is fine but Rocana also says that anyone who worships Prabhupada is like a bogus Christian who worships Jesus, aka his paper called -- "The Church of Ritviks." So Srila Prabhupada is the acharya, sort of, but we cannot worship him as the acharya or else we will have a mundane religion like the Christians. Except, Srila Prabhupada never says that worship of the acharyas and / or Jesus is a mundane process? And if we are not going to have an acharya for the church, and WORSE we are going to attack the acharya as dead, irrelevant and post mortem, then we wonder why there are illicit sex and debauchees grabbing the post so easily? Because you have DISPLACED the acharya making it easy to REPLACE him with charlatans.]
Now without repeating the main points of that paper, which I encourage our Sun audience to read if they're so inclined, the fact is that Srila Prabhupada was sent on a mission by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and / or Nityananda Prabhu to spread the Krsna consciousness movement around the world. And if one begins to train their mind to see Srila Prabhupada in that way, then your perspective will change dramatically.
[PADA: And that means, Srila Prabhupada is the founder of the mundane church of ritviks because he said his followers are not qualified to be acharyas, but priests (at best).]
When you look at the highlights of Srila Prabhupada's entire lila, and in particular his ISKCON lila, you will begin to see how Srila Prabhupada has made this fact abundantly clear. I wouldn't say that he was 'dropping big hints', but rather that he was sending out a message for those who, if they are advanced enough, purified enough, non-envious, would be able to see that he is a Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: Yes, Prabhupada is the founder of a mundane idea that we should continue to worship the acharya even after he departs, which Rocana calls the post samadhi, posthumous and post mortem worship process. Anyone who worships a departed acharya is worshiping the post mortem, as Rocana has described numerous times. Yep, we need to worship one of Rocana's "living debauchees" acharyas instead.]
One only has to consider any one of the Lord's lilas, whether it be Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu 500 years ago, or Krsna Himself 5,000 years ago, to see that very few of those who observed the lila at the time appreciated on the highest level just who Sri Krsna was. How many people on the battlefield of Kurukshetra knew that He was Krsna? How many during Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's lila knew that Lord Caitanya was God? But in both cases, great Acaryas have spoken volumes in order to bring the fallen conditioned souls to the realization that these personalities were actually God.
[PADA: Its amazing that Rocana thinks worship of the previous acharyas is post mortem, that would make Krishna also post mortem. And Rocana says he has "defeated ritvik vada" aka what he says is worship of the post mortem acharya?]
Of course, biographies have been authorized and written about Lord Caitanya, like the Caitanya-caritamrta and the Caitanya Bhagavat, what to speak of the authorized biographies of the great Acaryas who came in succession from Him. And today, we are in an era wherein those personalities who are empowered to the same degree that Krishna Das Kaviraja was empowered to write the Caitanya-caritamrta, should be clearly describing who Srila Prabhupada really is. What is needed is a bona fide, authentic biography of Srila Prabhupada which establishes him as a nitya-siddha, maha-bhagavat Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: Right, and in the introduction we need to say, Srila Prabhupada and his works are post samadhi, posthumous, and post mortem.]
Personally, I found that it takes a great deal of effort, both mental and practical, in order to break free from the immature, illusory impressions that I carried with me of who is Srila Prabhupada. These were embedded into my consciousness at a very early point in my Krsna conscious devotional life. Needless to say, the impression that is being given of Srila Prabhupada through Satsvarupa's Srila Prabhupada-lilamrta also requires purging, and that is the point of my personal comments in the Sun's "Deconstructing the Lilamrta" series.
[PADA: Rocana is repeating what Satsvarupa and his 1986 "Guru reformers" were saying in 1986, we cannot worship the post samadhi, posthumous and post mortem dead acharyas, which self evidently includes Krishna. We cannot have a bogus church that worships the acharya, which opens the Pandora's box to worship all sorts of deviants.]
Unless one has made some progress in understanding Srila Prabhupada from this perspective, it's almost impossible to know how to protect Srila Prabhupada. We can put our attention on protecting his books, or his temple assets, or his stellar image, but if we don't really understand who Srila Prabhupada is, then our efforts to protectively serve him will be flawed.
[PADA: Rocana is always quoted by GBC defenders, because they send me links to his site all the time, as do the other GBC agenda defenders like Torben, Ajit Krishna, Hanuman Croatia and others of the post mortem acharya's ilk.]
We are taught to protect Krsna in His many manifestations as diligently as possible, such as in the form of the Deities in the temple, the Holy Scriptures, and the Holy Name. But our ability to act spontaneously to protect God, when circumstances call for it, is completely relative to our personal level of realization that these manifestations are non-different than Krsna, the Supreme Personality.
[PADA: The acharya is post mortem makes the deity post mortem and so on and so forth, which is why someone told me his temple's mangala arotike used to have eighty people, but now has only one or two people and "its like going to a funeral." Rocana is making the entire ISKCON post mortem with his post mortem acharya ideas.]
So if one applies this same principle to Srila Prabhupada, one has to appreciate how important it is to preserve and protect what Srila Prabhupada has left us. Of course, the list is very long in that regard. But ultimately, what has not been protected due to a lack of realization and appreciation of Srila Prabhupada's exalted spiritual status, is his mood, his mission, his urgency, his preaching spirit, his transcendental vision, which was all-inclusive and above any level of material contamination, and his true place in the parampara.
[PADA: Why would anyone want to preserve the post mortem?]
Whether Srila Prabhupada's mood can be duplicated or resurrected, even to a degree, completely depends upon one's acceptance of the philosophical position that Srila Prabhupada is a Sampradaya Acarya. If he is relegated to being just a member of the Sampradaya, equal in stature to his godbrothers, or just the Founder/Acarya of ISKCON rather than the preeminent Founder/Acarya of the Sampradaya itself, then how can his mood truly be represented and recreated?
Srila Prabhupada obviously tried to impress upon us and the world - and his godbrothers - that the way he was managing and pushing on Krsna consciousness within his ISKCON society was what the previous Sampradaya Acaryas wanted. Thus, they reciprocated by empowering not only Srila Prabhupada himself, but all of his disciples, who were able to accomplish what they did in such a short time. We were just young recruits with so little pious background or real life experience, yet due to Srila Prabhupada's potency, we accomplished great things -- because this is what the Sampradaya, which is ultimately Krsna, wanted us to do.
Today, without a Sampradaya Acarya personally present, unfolding his lila and enveloping us in it, we are required to collectively accomplish the task which he tried to define for us and display for us. Collectively we can accomplish this, but individually it becomes an impossibility due to our lack of spiritual advancement as individuals. So to accomplish the re-establishment of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON without him being personally or physically present, is the real challenge before us. First of all we must realize, then protect, the true exalted spiritual position of Srila Prabhupada, the Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: That is why Rocana's Vancouver GBC temple is falling apart and is in deteriorated status, while the "ritvik temple" here is doing great. We have a living guru here, while Rocana has a post mortem guru there. And a new person just wrote to tell me that at the Sunday feast they try to cram a copy of Radhanath's book into the faces of the guests, but that is fine because Radhanath is one of Rocana's "living" guru reformers, who was voted in at Rocana's guru reform school. ys pd]
[PADA: And that means, Srila Prabhupada is the founder of the mundane church of ritviks because he said his followers are not qualified to be acharyas, but priests (at best).]
When you look at the highlights of Srila Prabhupada's entire lila, and in particular his ISKCON lila, you will begin to see how Srila Prabhupada has made this fact abundantly clear. I wouldn't say that he was 'dropping big hints', but rather that he was sending out a message for those who, if they are advanced enough, purified enough, non-envious, would be able to see that he is a Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: Yes, Prabhupada is the founder of a mundane idea that we should continue to worship the acharya even after he departs, which Rocana calls the post samadhi, posthumous and post mortem worship process. Anyone who worships a departed acharya is worshiping the post mortem, as Rocana has described numerous times. Yep, we need to worship one of Rocana's "living debauchees" acharyas instead.]
One only has to consider any one of the Lord's lilas, whether it be Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu 500 years ago, or Krsna Himself 5,000 years ago, to see that very few of those who observed the lila at the time appreciated on the highest level just who Sri Krsna was. How many people on the battlefield of Kurukshetra knew that He was Krsna? How many during Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's lila knew that Lord Caitanya was God? But in both cases, great Acaryas have spoken volumes in order to bring the fallen conditioned souls to the realization that these personalities were actually God.
[PADA: Its amazing that Rocana thinks worship of the previous acharyas is post mortem, that would make Krishna also post mortem. And Rocana says he has "defeated ritvik vada" aka what he says is worship of the post mortem acharya?]
Of course, biographies have been authorized and written about Lord Caitanya, like the Caitanya-caritamrta and the Caitanya Bhagavat, what to speak of the authorized biographies of the great Acaryas who came in succession from Him. And today, we are in an era wherein those personalities who are empowered to the same degree that Krishna Das Kaviraja was empowered to write the Caitanya-caritamrta, should be clearly describing who Srila Prabhupada really is. What is needed is a bona fide, authentic biography of Srila Prabhupada which establishes him as a nitya-siddha, maha-bhagavat Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: Right, and in the introduction we need to say, Srila Prabhupada and his works are post samadhi, posthumous, and post mortem.]
Personally, I found that it takes a great deal of effort, both mental and practical, in order to break free from the immature, illusory impressions that I carried with me of who is Srila Prabhupada. These were embedded into my consciousness at a very early point in my Krsna conscious devotional life. Needless to say, the impression that is being given of Srila Prabhupada through Satsvarupa's Srila Prabhupada-lilamrta also requires purging, and that is the point of my personal comments in the Sun's "Deconstructing the Lilamrta" series.
[PADA: Rocana is repeating what Satsvarupa and his 1986 "Guru reformers" were saying in 1986, we cannot worship the post samadhi, posthumous and post mortem dead acharyas, which self evidently includes Krishna. We cannot have a bogus church that worships the acharya, which opens the Pandora's box to worship all sorts of deviants.]
Unless one has made some progress in understanding Srila Prabhupada from this perspective, it's almost impossible to know how to protect Srila Prabhupada. We can put our attention on protecting his books, or his temple assets, or his stellar image, but if we don't really understand who Srila Prabhupada is, then our efforts to protectively serve him will be flawed.
[PADA: Rocana is always quoted by GBC defenders, because they send me links to his site all the time, as do the other GBC agenda defenders like Torben, Ajit Krishna, Hanuman Croatia and others of the post mortem acharya's ilk.]
We are taught to protect Krsna in His many manifestations as diligently as possible, such as in the form of the Deities in the temple, the Holy Scriptures, and the Holy Name. But our ability to act spontaneously to protect God, when circumstances call for it, is completely relative to our personal level of realization that these manifestations are non-different than Krsna, the Supreme Personality.
[PADA: The acharya is post mortem makes the deity post mortem and so on and so forth, which is why someone told me his temple's mangala arotike used to have eighty people, but now has only one or two people and "its like going to a funeral." Rocana is making the entire ISKCON post mortem with his post mortem acharya ideas.]
So if one applies this same principle to Srila Prabhupada, one has to appreciate how important it is to preserve and protect what Srila Prabhupada has left us. Of course, the list is very long in that regard. But ultimately, what has not been protected due to a lack of realization and appreciation of Srila Prabhupada's exalted spiritual status, is his mood, his mission, his urgency, his preaching spirit, his transcendental vision, which was all-inclusive and above any level of material contamination, and his true place in the parampara.
[PADA: Why would anyone want to preserve the post mortem?]
Whether Srila Prabhupada's mood can be duplicated or resurrected, even to a degree, completely depends upon one's acceptance of the philosophical position that Srila Prabhupada is a Sampradaya Acarya. If he is relegated to being just a member of the Sampradaya, equal in stature to his godbrothers, or just the Founder/Acarya of ISKCON rather than the preeminent Founder/Acarya of the Sampradaya itself, then how can his mood truly be represented and recreated?
Srila Prabhupada obviously tried to impress upon us and the world - and his godbrothers - that the way he was managing and pushing on Krsna consciousness within his ISKCON society was what the previous Sampradaya Acaryas wanted. Thus, they reciprocated by empowering not only Srila Prabhupada himself, but all of his disciples, who were able to accomplish what they did in such a short time. We were just young recruits with so little pious background or real life experience, yet due to Srila Prabhupada's potency, we accomplished great things -- because this is what the Sampradaya, which is ultimately Krsna, wanted us to do.
Today, without a Sampradaya Acarya personally present, unfolding his lila and enveloping us in it, we are required to collectively accomplish the task which he tried to define for us and display for us. Collectively we can accomplish this, but individually it becomes an impossibility due to our lack of spiritual advancement as individuals. So to accomplish the re-establishment of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON without him being personally or physically present, is the real challenge before us. First of all we must realize, then protect, the true exalted spiritual position of Srila Prabhupada, the Sampradaya Acarya.
[PADA: That is why Rocana's Vancouver GBC temple is falling apart and is in deteriorated status, while the "ritvik temple" here is doing great. We have a living guru here, while Rocana has a post mortem guru there. And a new person just wrote to tell me that at the Sunday feast they try to cram a copy of Radhanath's book into the faces of the guests, but that is fine because Radhanath is one of Rocana's "living" guru reformers, who was voted in at Rocana's guru reform school. ys pd]
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