The third wave
By Hanuman das
One devotee’s interesting question. Why I am not making any more videos. Here is the explanation.
Hare Krishna .
Hare Krishna .
I watched every video you posted on YouTube. your message is so important to develop in spiritual life. But now we don’t get any new update videos. What happened? Hope soon we will get video from you.
Thanks. Haribol
Thanks. Haribol
Hare Krishna.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My videos were made with a specific purpose of starting the third wave of bhakti. The first wave was ISKCON, which started nicely while Srila Prabhupada was present, but it became an utterly corrupt society full of retards. You can’t discuss philosophy with ISKCON people, you can’t discuss what is right and what is wrong. They have only two things in their head, “pure devotees” and “faultfinders”. Pure devotees are sannyasis with girlfriends, mushroom eating gurus, gurus who play ping pong with girls, and everybody else who doesn’t agree with their behavior is “faultfinder”.
A movement which imbibes such idiotic principles will never become a significant force in the material world. ISKCON will never be able to challenge fake scientists and proponents of weird ideologies since they are not able to deal with deviations within their own ranks.
People who were utterly disgusted with ISKCON started a new movement, the rtvik movement. Although rtviks are honest in the sense that they are willing to recognize all the nonsense happening in ISKCON, their solution to the problem is wrong. Their solution is that Srila Prabhupada continues to initiate everybody. However, this is exactly the opposite of what Srila Prabhupada wanted. He wanted all his disciples to preach and initiate people:
Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette, it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance, you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy. (Letter to Tusta Krsna, 2 Dec. 1975)
So, rotten Gestapo society headed by the GBC body doesn’t allow Srila Prabhupada’s disciples to initiate “without any limitation” as Srila Prabhupada wanted. Rather, they are appointing corporate gurus who must sign gag order before “becoming gurus”. This is a complete deviation from the parampara, and Gaudiya sampradaya never worked like that. Thus, they are creating puppy gurus who can’t speak the truth openly. Such puppy gurus are completely harmless. If any guru wants to fight for the actual truth, he will be very quickly silenced by the GBC.
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My videos were made with a specific purpose of starting the third wave of bhakti. The first wave was ISKCON, which started nicely while Srila Prabhupada was present, but it became an utterly corrupt society full of retards. You can’t discuss philosophy with ISKCON people, you can’t discuss what is right and what is wrong. They have only two things in their head, “pure devotees” and “faultfinders”. Pure devotees are sannyasis with girlfriends, mushroom eating gurus, gurus who play ping pong with girls, and everybody else who doesn’t agree with their behavior is “faultfinder”.
A movement which imbibes such idiotic principles will never become a significant force in the material world. ISKCON will never be able to challenge fake scientists and proponents of weird ideologies since they are not able to deal with deviations within their own ranks.
People who were utterly disgusted with ISKCON started a new movement, the rtvik movement. Although rtviks are honest in the sense that they are willing to recognize all the nonsense happening in ISKCON, their solution to the problem is wrong. Their solution is that Srila Prabhupada continues to initiate everybody. However, this is exactly the opposite of what Srila Prabhupada wanted. He wanted all his disciples to preach and initiate people:
Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette, it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual Master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance, you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy. (Letter to Tusta Krsna, 2 Dec. 1975)
So, rotten Gestapo society headed by the GBC body doesn’t allow Srila Prabhupada’s disciples to initiate “without any limitation” as Srila Prabhupada wanted. Rather, they are appointing corporate gurus who must sign gag order before “becoming gurus”. This is a complete deviation from the parampara, and Gaudiya sampradaya never worked like that. Thus, they are creating puppy gurus who can’t speak the truth openly. Such puppy gurus are completely harmless. If any guru wants to fight for the actual truth, he will be very quickly silenced by the GBC.
They will wave his “guru license” in front of him, and threaten him that he will lose it if he continues to speak the truth. Speaking the truth in ISKCON is also called “faultfinding”. So, ISKCON car will never be fixed because all the mechanics are not allowed to fix the car, because before fixing the car they need to do some fault finding, which is not allowed.
So, the third wave is a group of devotees who will be utterly honest and who will utterly reject the rotten Gestapo society called ISKCON, which is full of retards. And they will also reject new-age Christians called rtviks. Both groups are deviated from the original sampradaya and imagined their own philosophies which are different from previous acaryas.
So, to establish the third wave, we have to preach about it. I recorded many, many videos, and the result is that I convinced like 5 ISKCON members to form a new society. So, I have done my part. Now, it is up to others to develop this idea. I will consider making more videos once the Third wave starts to catch momentum. But I don’t see any momentum, and it looks to me like I am talking to the camera, repeating same points over and over again, but nobody is willing to make practical steps in the right direction.
Are you willing to join the third wave?
ys Hanuman das
So, the third wave is a group of devotees who will be utterly honest and who will utterly reject the rotten Gestapo society called ISKCON, which is full of retards. And they will also reject new-age Christians called rtviks. Both groups are deviated from the original sampradaya and imagined their own philosophies which are different from previous acaryas.
So, to establish the third wave, we have to preach about it. I recorded many, many videos, and the result is that I convinced like 5 ISKCON members to form a new society. So, I have done my part. Now, it is up to others to develop this idea. I will consider making more videos once the Third wave starts to catch momentum. But I don’t see any momentum, and it looks to me like I am talking to the camera, repeating same points over and over again, but nobody is willing to make practical steps in the right direction.
Are you willing to join the third wave?
ys Hanuman das
[PADA: There is nothing to "update" when a person says: Worship of the GBC is bogus; Worship of the Gaudiya Matha is bogus; And worship of Srila Prabhupada is also bogus (ritviks) program. That means that Hanuman, Rocana, Kailash, Torben, Ajit Krishna etc. cannot make any actual functioning programs, because for starters, there is no one to worship as the current acharya in their process. So they are advocating a boycott of ALL the other programs, which is fine, but its not a program that will produce anything of substance.
Yes, I can boycott all the grocery stores in my city. However, if I have no alternate source of groceries, I'll starve and so will the people taking my advice. In sum, negating all other programs, and not making anything better oneself, is not a forward moving program.
Yes, I can boycott all the grocery stores in my city. However, if I have no alternate source of groceries, I'll starve and so will the people taking my advice. In sum, negating all other programs, and not making anything better oneself, is not a forward moving program.
Hanuman says that ALL of the original Srila Prabhupada disciples should become diksha gurus -- and absorb sins like Jesus. Well nope, because they cannot absorb sins? And many / most of them are not even following properly. A number of them fell down into -- support of the false GBC's gurus, going over to the Gaudiya Matha, if not intoxication, watching football, selling drugs and getting arrested and etc.
This is the "supply chain" that needs to be the source of "more gurus" according to Hanuman. OK they can barely keep up the kanistha standards, but according to Hanuman, they need to be made into gurus and worshiped as Krishna's successors. Isn't that the problem we already have? We should spread the Mad Acharya's Disease syndrome all the more?
And thus many of the "Prabhupada disciples" who are now preaching -- anything at all -- are with the Gaudiya Matha or other deviations (like Nemi Maharaja / Jadurani / Pancadravida / Sudhir Krishna / Jagat Guru swami / Tripurari swami etc.). And many more of them are now dying / if not physically dead already at this point, so the pool of prospective "Srila Prabhupada disciple gurus" is dwindling rapidly, which is why the GBC are making their own second tier of disciples / newer people into their gurus.
Of course, their "newer gurus" are also sometimes falling down and having the same scandal problems as the first wave, because they are not self-realized either. If anything, the GBC is evolving as de facto ritvik, because they more and more agree that their gurus are conditioned neophytes who need monitoring, censuring, and control by a committee, same as the church council of elders monitors their priests.
This is the "supply chain" that needs to be the source of "more gurus" according to Hanuman. OK they can barely keep up the kanistha standards, but according to Hanuman, they need to be made into gurus and worshiped as Krishna's successors. Isn't that the problem we already have? We should spread the Mad Acharya's Disease syndrome all the more?
And thus many of the "Prabhupada disciples" who are now preaching -- anything at all -- are with the Gaudiya Matha or other deviations (like Nemi Maharaja / Jadurani / Pancadravida / Sudhir Krishna / Jagat Guru swami / Tripurari swami etc.). And many more of them are now dying / if not physically dead already at this point, so the pool of prospective "Srila Prabhupada disciple gurus" is dwindling rapidly, which is why the GBC are making their own second tier of disciples / newer people into their gurus.
Of course, their "newer gurus" are also sometimes falling down and having the same scandal problems as the first wave, because they are not self-realized either. If anything, the GBC is evolving as de facto ritvik, because they more and more agree that their gurus are conditioned neophytes who need monitoring, censuring, and control by a committee, same as the church council of elders monitors their priests.
Anyway, Hanuman's "neti neti" process has a big problem, "its not this, its not that," but what is it then? No one knows. So Hanuman keeps recycling the same arguments, the GBC gurus are a huge deviation, fine but that is not even "newer" news -- because we already reported that type stuff way back in the 1980s, and most people know that by now. Hanuman is simply recycling the same "bad actions by the GBC's gurus" news we were doing in the 80s / 90s and beyond. And that is also what Rocana / Kailash are doing, the GBC is bad! OK we know that already.
Same type problem we have had with the Sanat / Mukunda / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur / Prahlad / Janardan folks. The GBC is bad, the Gaudiya Matha is bad, and the ritviks are also bad -- because the bogus ritviks want to: sue the GBC for changing the books, sue the GBC in Delhi court for making bogus acharyas, stop the child molesting webs and nests program, and address the poison issue etc. which means "the innocent GBC followers" will have to suffer. So the mass of Krishna devotees can be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed, and children can suffer molesting, all that is fine, because we cannot allow the "innocent GBC followers" to suffer and have to pay any court costs and so on.
Oh boo hoo, the followers of Kamsa are going to have to suffer, gimmee a kleenex already!
And these folks really do not like the Bangalore folks either of course, because they went to the supreme court to say Srila Prabhupada should be the acharya. Oh no, the innocent worshipers of deviants will have to pay court costs! These folks are always helping Radhanath in counting their precious GBC's shekels. Yep, the GBC even has its own Illuminati banker's association hand maidens.
Oh boo hoo, the followers of Kamsa are going to have to suffer, gimmee a kleenex already!
And these folks really do not like the Bangalore folks either of course, because they went to the supreme court to say Srila Prabhupada should be the acharya. Oh no, the innocent worshipers of deviants will have to pay court costs! These folks are always helping Radhanath in counting their precious GBC's shekels. Yep, the GBC even has its own Illuminati banker's association hand maidens.
So these GBC sympathizer folks have still kept themselves tethered to having sympathy for the molester acharya's process, which they even admit to me they consider as the "innocent" program. And that explains why they cite GBC defenders like Hari Sauri, Bhakta das, and so forth as their authority. Of course, these folks also made a huge web site saying its wrong for PADA to stop child molesting, and PADA is a drunk womanizer etc. Same type things the GBC folks are doing, but worse because even the GBC does not make a web site saying we ritviks are drunks with prostitutes? Hee hee! You really have to work hard to be worse than the GBC!
Why would they do this?
Because they think like the GBC, act like the GBC, talk like the GBC, defend the same molester guru program as the GBC etc. They even told me its fine in their process if children are molested by a bogus guru program -- and maybe commit suicide -- because its wrong to stop that process. And they call the GBC's molester messiah's program's followers "the innocent" -- and so forth. And they wanted to have the ritviks discredited -- if not killed -- by calling them fallen offensive deviants. They are simply the GBC in a different package, as many people have pointed out to us.
And Hanuman's attacking the ritviks is also what the GBC does?
And that also explains why all of the above folks cannot build any alternate substantial preaching process, and they never will if they continue on the road they are on now. The good news is, we keep getting more and more folks to agree to worship Srila Prabhupada as their guru, and they ask us nice questions about how that should be conducted. And they are preaching that process to their friends, family and children, so it will continue and expand. We keep getting nice inquiries on this topic so its going forward, with or without these others. All the time we get nice questions about the bogus guru appointment, the changed books, the poison issue and etc. And more people ask if they can cite our sites, videos, documents and so forth.
So we can give credit to Hanuman for doing what we did in the 1980s, waking people up to the GBC's deviations, and stopping them from having one type guru disease. Yet he is not giving them a cure for their disease, which is to accept the bona fide acharya. So he is stopping them from getting a heart attack, but allowing them to get cancer instead.
They will die with no proper solution, and that means Hanuman is very sinful for blocking people from getting the mercy of the acharya. And that makes him simply, another version of the GBC. To sum, there is no first wave, second and third wave principle, there is only one eternal wave principle, acharyopasanam, one has to accept and worship the acharya. End of story, and we either accept that or we don't. ys pd]
Why would they do this?
Because they think like the GBC, act like the GBC, talk like the GBC, defend the same molester guru program as the GBC etc. They even told me its fine in their process if children are molested by a bogus guru program -- and maybe commit suicide -- because its wrong to stop that process. And they call the GBC's molester messiah's program's followers "the innocent" -- and so forth. And they wanted to have the ritviks discredited -- if not killed -- by calling them fallen offensive deviants. They are simply the GBC in a different package, as many people have pointed out to us.
And Hanuman's attacking the ritviks is also what the GBC does?
And that also explains why all of the above folks cannot build any alternate substantial preaching process, and they never will if they continue on the road they are on now. The good news is, we keep getting more and more folks to agree to worship Srila Prabhupada as their guru, and they ask us nice questions about how that should be conducted. And they are preaching that process to their friends, family and children, so it will continue and expand. We keep getting nice inquiries on this topic so its going forward, with or without these others. All the time we get nice questions about the bogus guru appointment, the changed books, the poison issue and etc. And more people ask if they can cite our sites, videos, documents and so forth.
So we can give credit to Hanuman for doing what we did in the 1980s, waking people up to the GBC's deviations, and stopping them from having one type guru disease. Yet he is not giving them a cure for their disease, which is to accept the bona fide acharya. So he is stopping them from getting a heart attack, but allowing them to get cancer instead.
They will die with no proper solution, and that means Hanuman is very sinful for blocking people from getting the mercy of the acharya. And that makes him simply, another version of the GBC. To sum, there is no first wave, second and third wave principle, there is only one eternal wave principle, acharyopasanam, one has to accept and worship the acharya. End of story, and we either accept that or we don't. ys pd]
PADA @ angel108b@yahoo.com
Yes, Hanuman says that people need to take care selecting a guru. That means, he is saying Srila Prabhupada is NOT going to be our guru. We have to select another as our guru. Correct. So we have to select anyone else, EXCEPT Srila Prabhupada as our guru. OK and that is what has happened, people accepted "anyone and everyone else except Prabhupada" as their guru and the results are self-evident.
ReplyDeleteAs for the HKC Jaipur's thug Prahlad saying the GBC program is innocent and the ritviks are drunks who chase prostitutes, that is what the GBC said the whole time? We GBC are the innocent, and the ritviks are drunks who chase prostitutes. These people are clearly with the GBC agenda, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it is a duck! Yes, why would anyone say that PADA and / or the ritviks are drunks who chase prostitutes (presenting zero evidence) unless they are working hand in glove with the GBC? Good question. ys pd