PADA Letter to Dhaneshvara dasa (03/31/19)

Dhanesvara das: Puranjan Prabhu, I agree with all of what you say here, but do you think YOU or I are going to change them? 

[PADA: This is not the main issue prabhu? Srila Prabhupada speaks the absolute truth, he does not care if some people accept or not? We are not basing what we say on whether or not the vox populi accepts -- or does not accept? We have helped a number of the innocent people accept that Srila Prabhupada is their acharya, so we should preach to the innocent -- and avoid the envious. Srila Prabhupada told me personally, "I preached in India for 40 years and could not make much progress, but I would not change my preaching to suit the public."]

DD: I’m not betting on that, because as we both know, this battle has been going on for more than 45 years to no avail. 

[PADA: This makes no sense to me personally? We have hundreds, maybe thousands of Prabhupadanugas world wide right now. For example, the GBC has taken Bangalore to court over this issue, and they are not winning in court? Rather the Bangalore court has found the GBC's side to be in contempt. We formerly converted a bunch of Hansadutta's people to worship Srila Prabhupada way back in the 1980s, and most of them still accept him as their acharya now. And many more joined that process subsequently. Are all these people no avail or not important?  

The Bangalore people were formerly followers of the GBC's side, not sure how we can also write off their entire program as "no avail"? Are you saying the GBC's are suing Bangalore, which is allegedly costing the GBC about $20,000,000, for "nothing"? Again that makes no sense either. It means our process is working and they know its an "up and coming" opposition to them.

Sorry, we are winning on many levels and we have more and more folks preaching the right thing. And they will preach to others and so on and so forth, so its a grass roots revolution. This is how Lord Chaitanya's movement has gone on, mostly grass roots underground, for centuries? Did I forget to mention that many folks both in and out of ISKCON also accept that we should promote original books, which is another area where we are making progress?] 

DD: Those people are not going to change and we know it. Neither will their followers. Not in this lifetime anyway.

[PADA: Another false assumption. Many of their followers are reading our stuff. Some of their followers just now said they would sue the GBC if they make women gurus, and they are citing some of the quotes we gave on this issue years ago. Our original Harekrsna org web site is now linked to over 200 sites, and more people link to it regularly. Its expanding.  

We also have had for example some ISKCON people who go out on samkirtana, visiting an internet cafe and writing me questions. And they are living fully inside the belly of the beast. A few former big GBC administrators have also shifted sides and they are communicating with me and so on. Did I forget to mention they have some hair raising stories to tell me? That means the false acharya sabha's process is unravelling more each day.

And thus, a number of their former followers -- if not big secretaries and personal servants -- are writing me now. And more of their former people are also bringing out more and more info about New Vrndavana and etc., they are joining our side -- or at least de facto they are. 

Thus! A number of their followers are changing -- albeit gradually -- but in any case, that is not the point. We are not working to only change their followers? The purpose of life is not to change their few followers, but the GBC side have hardly got any followers anyway at this point? Its almost a mute issue, as Lokanath swami said in 1988 -- their temples are empty ghost towns, and its just got worse since then. 

They have been forced to use imported foreign people into the USA to run their centers in some cases, or get Hindus to take over in other cases, and / or many of their people -- big or small -- are on salary. Recently one of their green card cooks quit ISKCON as soon as he got his green card, and he is cooking at a karmi restaurant. He was only here to get a foot in the USA. Their people are not that loyal to a large extent, they are only there to get a salary or personal benefit. That won't last forever. 

And most of the rank and file devotees are now living independently where they are free to access our stuff, and many are. In addition, we are working on other upcoming expose books and media materials that will come out in future, where even more people will be catching up. Right now we have people translating some of our things into Russian, Spanish, Portuguese and so forth. How can we write off all these efforts as "no avail"?]

DD: So who is going to change to make a true difference then? The innocent. Those who know that there is something very wrong with this world and are very afraid, but don’t know what to do. 

[PADA: Right, that is the first issue, a lot of people do not know what to do now. So we need to tell them to take shelter of the pure devotee, read his unchanged books, and follow his instructions. And that includes how to offer the bhogha and all the rest of these instructions. And we need to help them understand that "pure divyam jnanam which destroys sins" is the definition of diksha, and they need to know who is the pure source of that process. And we are attempting to help folks do that.]

DD: It is up to you and I and others of our kind to preach and convince these innocent people to chant Hare Krishna, and how to properly worship the Lord.

[PADA: Right, emphasis on "proper worship." Most inside ISKCON people are still offering bhogha to conditioned souls, accepting that conditioned souls can be diksha gurus and absorb sins like Jesus, and so on and so forth. That means they do not know how the actual process works. That is also why I put links to the archana padati etc. that was written when Srila Prabhupada was present, and try to get people to follow these standards of prayers, offerings and etc. That includes how to offer bhogha and so forth.] 

DD: The thing about neophytes is – because they are neophytes – they accept whatever they are told by the persons they have learned to trust. And if you and I tell our followers how it works and how to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, that will be their understanding and they will do as we instruct them. But, your preaching AGAINST ISKCON and the sycophants of ISKCON will not result in anything, because you are identified as the demon so at best they ignore you, and worse would like to kill you.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada preached all the time to us about how bogus the Gaudiya Matha's gurus are. And he told us, they could do violence to him. However, there are not many options here, either we speak the full truth or look compromised. I am sure your own promoting of the GBC's incompetence issue (i.e. they are not gurus), book changes issue, poison issue etc. is not going to win you any friends in their circle either. You are yourself not avoiding these topics?

And the bad guys will thus see you as the next demon coming down the road for promoting these issues. So what? We have to make a clear and honest presentation and not worry about it being accepted or not.] 

DD: So that’s why I say forget the GBC, their guru club, and all of their followers, and stop wasting energy fighting against them, and instead redirect your energies in a positive way that will bear some actual fruit with new people who will follow you.

That’s what I mean when I say Start the Hare Krishna Movement Again! – without the GBC and their interference and in a non-institutional way that they cannot interfere with. That is the subject of Part 3 of the book.

Das

[PADA: OK but starting the Hare Krishna movement again means to go back to the original standards. That means (to start off) -- how to offer the bhogha. That also means every other detail: Performing initiations on behalf of the acharya to make qualified brahmanas to do the pooja; Getting rid of the bogus guru's worship i.e. worship of conditioned souls; Re-establishing the proper deity poojas, kirtans standards, proper books,  and all the rest. 

And that is what we are preaching, and its being gradually taken up by various people in all sorts of places around the globe. We cannot start anything "new," there has to be following the original design established by the acharya. 

My friend is a pilot of very large commercial aircraft. He says, every big plane comes with a giant operating manual, and he says -- we had better read and re-read the manual and understand it well, or the plane will crash. He says most "pilot error" crashes are because, they did not follow the steps given in the manual -- because they did not read it carefully. He has the big manual on his I-pad and he has it handy whenever he flies because -- if you need the info you'd better make sure its right.

Krishna consciousness is the same identical process, either we follow the guidance of the standard manual, or we crash. I am not sure how we can re-start the movement without paying attention to all of the details given already by the acharya, in his operating manual. So we should follow the process he gave, and not try to re-write the operating manual. It won't work and its not working. Since you are making the same basic cause celebre issues that we are, we should all be working together and form common purpose. ys pd]  

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Hanuman Croatia Goes After ISKCON's "Mayavadis"

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Dear PADA: Why this Hanuman das from Croatia doesn't expose Bhakti vikash swami, in the same way he exposes the others iskcon fakes gurus? RR Dasi. 

[PADA: Yes, its odd that BVKS attacked Radhanath's book, then issued an apology for attacking that book. ys pd]

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The rise of the mayavadi defenders

By Hanuman das 

The major battle for the soul of Srila Prabhupada’s teachings is no longer on the outside. As someone who is reading Srila Prabhupada’s books daily and listening to his lectures, I am really annoyed with the current destruction of Srila Prabhupada’s legacy executed by Radhanath Swami and his followers. Also all the nonsense motivational speaking preaching, all the mayavada in his lectures is really spreading throughout ISKCON as a cancer.

However, this mayavadi disease can’t be contributed to Radhanath Swami only. It can be contributed to ALL other ISKCON’s fake gurus who are not protesting against this nonsense:

"Regarding the position of a person who does not speak even when he knows the truth: jani saksi nahi deya tara papa haya. ‘A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities’." 

(May 17, 1975 morning walk)

Thus, Radhanath Swami and his disciples are like cancer which is spreading through ISKCON. And there is no opposition because saying something against Radhanath Swami is very “offensive”. After all, he is a “pure” devotee. A “pure” mayavadi devotee. And how can we understand that he is pure?. Because other pure ping pong players, mushroom eaters and Garsha ri chanters decided that he is very pure.

In a recent Dandavats post, Radhanath’s disciple Caitanya Charan das decided to solidify mayavadi nonsense by providing a philosophical explanation. If you don’t know who Caitanya Charan is, that is the same guy who gave a seminar about how Srila Prabhupada is imperfect. But of course, spineless ISKCON leadership couldn’t finish off this retard, on the contrary, his mayavadi nonsense his published on Dandavats again. 

How could this happen? Because corrupt Praghosha das is running this website. Praghosa is also GBC member and purest of the pure. If you don’t agree with that, you will be kicked out of ISKCON.

So, if you have time and you are not afraid that you will vomit, you can hear Caitanya Charan’s divine explanation of how we can preach Krishna consciousness without mentioning Krishna. Or if you don’t have the taste for listening to mayavadis, you can just skip mp3 and check my summary below:

Catanya Charan’s points from the above mp3 recording:

People who are interested in Krishna consciousness is very few. During the period that Srila Prabhupada was in the USA, there was great interest in Eastern spirituality. Today, people are interested in yoga, but not in kind of spirituality which resembles religion. The strategy is to give people what they think they need so that they become receptive to us, then we can give them Krishna.
This is bonafide because in the past, Brahmanas where doing karma - Kanda and bhakti at the same time. Today, people want mental relief and peace. If we give them that, they will become more receptive.

This is a specialized service which may be done by a few people in a few places.
This is similar to scientific preaching. We need to get Krishna to people, and this has to be done in a way relevant to them. We can reach a great number of people through this method, otherwise, doors would be closed for us if we would use the traditional preaching method. People who we reach with motivational speaking, also begin to appreciate our movement.

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Srila Prabhupada Poisoning Issue (from Dhanesvara Dasa's book)

PADA Update:

Says that continued worship of the acharya is "not our siddhanta." Umm, so we should worship no one? Conditioned souls? Deviants? Notice that he and Rocana, Hanuman Croatia and many others never actually name who the "next guru" is, they just say there has to be a "next guru." But since none is named, what they are really saying is that is it better to worship NO ONE, and NOTHING than worship Srila Prabhupada. All glories to nobody? Yep anyone can be the guru as long as its -- not Prabhupada? That is what the poisoner party said!

Then after Srila Prabhupada said maybe 7,000 times that after he departs there will not be a bogus Gaudiya Matha style guru process, but only a GBC, Dhanesvara says this idea was only mentioned once in one letter? Nope, the GBC idea (acting as agents or ritviks) was mentioned hundreds or even thousands of times in many letters, lectures, conversations etc.

Oddly Dhanesvara is listed as an ISKCON leader? And some ISKCON leaders believe the other leaders poisoned their guru? 

He also opposes the changed books and advertises the KBI books. And he wants people to sign the petition for original books. And he promotes the video of Garuda dasa asking for original books. 

Meanwhile he says what the ritviks are saying:

Dhanesvara Das (February 18 2019) Srila Prabhupada is the Acharya for all ISKCON devotees - women included. It would be wonderful to see all the ladies appreciate and follow these instructions.

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[PADA: Yes, the way the GBC mis-treated many of the devotees who were Srila Prabhupada's "spiritual children" was an indication, they did not like the father, so they did not like his children. Even some of our friends like Krishna Kanta, Kamsahanta, Adhridharana, and many others told me not to introduce the poison issue because "it will destroy ISKCON." 

OK maybe, but if people are worshiping the poisoners of pure devotees, its already destroyed. Anyway, we went ahead and released the tape and transcripts because we feel, people need to know what happened to Srila Prabhupada, because then that would explain what happened to his ISKCON and its citizens subsequently. ys pd]

HOW FAR WOULD THEY GO? 

An Excerpt from Chapter 8 Divine or Demoniac? Spiritual Movements and the Enemies Within, by Dhanesvara Das

Srila Prabhupada instructed his disciples to sing these words every morning. We do so in Sanskrit - saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair– and in many temples the devotees also recite the translation. The principles expressed in the verses of Sri Sri Guruvastaka quickly become well-known to every devotee, and are accepted as the key to progress in spiritual life. 

That being the case, how could any devotee even think of attempting to kill the Acharya, what to  speak of carrying it out? The thought is absurd. For this reason many devotees are of the opinion that the mere thought Srila
Prabhupada was poisoned is ludicrous, and the proponents of such ideas can only be great offenders. 

Absurd as the notion of poisoning appears, a great deal of evidence, initially surfacing in 1997, suggests that it did happen, sufficient to convince any person of discrimination who bothers to seriously investigate. When the historical evidence is combined with the reality that the Kamsas and Putanas of this world do not hesitate to carry out such acts, the possibility becomes even more
real. When that is combined with an acceptance that the contest between the asuras and devas has continued throughout history, and continues to this very day, the possibility becomes even more real. 

Combining that with Srila Prabhupada’s statements that demonic rakshasas currently control this world, it becomes easier yet to accept that this could have happened. And if you add to that, the fact that Srila Prabhupada said that they might try to kill him, and the fact that Srila Prabhupada himself said that he was being poisoned, we must finally come face-to-face with a reality too terrible to contemplate.

Acknowledging this truth forces us to deal with the tragedy and horror that immediately spring to mind, as we quickly begin to connect the dots of ISKCON’s sad history. Well, if that happened, then that explains . . . and then this makes sense. . . and that is why. . . etc., etc.

Doubts automatically arise that cannot be ignored. . . Krishna would not allow His pure devotee to be poisoned! He promises that His devotee is never vanquished! Surely Srila Prabhupada would have known what was going on and stopped it. All he would have to do was tell Brahmananda. How could those who were closest to Srila Prabhupada do such a thing? 

Everyone could see the devotion that was displayed by those in his inner circle, etc., etc., etc.The doubts which spring to mind can be resolved by evidence
and facts. The actual evidence is there – if we can summon the courage to look at it. Can we accept the evidence of background whispers? Srila Prabhupada’s own statements that he was poisoned? Can we accept the evidence of Srila Prabhupada’s hair analysis showing poison had been in his body for an extensive period of time, matching his physical symptoms and his debilitating health? 

Will we read about, and recognize, the extensive efforts made to try to control Srila Prabhupada and prevent him from making Govardhana parikrama, and the bizarre behavior of those present when Srila Prabhupada said he was poisoned? Have we bothered ourselves to read the evidence presented in his room
conversations? 

Or do we rely on sentiment, ignoring the evidence in the belief that such a horrific thing could never occur, and something we should not even contemplate? Cognitive dissonance, refusal to accept a truth that overturns ones firmly held beliefs, is a well-known feature of human psychology. Many simply cannot accept the idea that SrilPrabhupada was poisoned, regardless of the great amount of evidence to the contrary. The very thought is too threatening to our tightly held concepts of spirituality. 

However, those who accept the evidence as real are also forced to accept that members of Srila Prabhupada’s inner circle wereinfiltrators – agents of Kali, there to put an end to Srila Prabhupada and his spiritual movement, or “useful saints” who cannot see, or cannot begin to suspect, what is taking place. Acceptance of this fact allows us to then make much more sense of ISKCON's
dismal history both before and after Srila Prabhupada’s departure.

All of the dots then begin to connect and a clear picture emerges. If Srila Prabhupada had been poisoned all of this history begins to make sense in a way it never had before. And Krishna’s reveal-ing it after years of crushing disappointments by the very persons who were supposed to be leading and protecting the society, finally allows us to recognize the unmistakable truth that our “leaders” are in fact agents of Kali. 

As he desired, Srila Prabhupada died on the battlefield, and by doing so he has informed us that the enemy is within our own camp.

All of this is somewhat easier to comprehend for those who joined Srila Prabhupada’s movement in the 60s, 70s and early 80s, especially in Australia, Western Europe and the United States, because they have personally witnessed how the once wonderful and powerful ISKCON was reduced to a mere shadow of its former glory. 

Those who had experienced actual transcendence and the spiritual energy flowing through them, also experienced how the mercy has gradually dwindled to nothing. Those who came to Krishna Consciousness in the 90s and beyond, especially in India and the former Soviet Union, who do not have the benefit of experience of the early history, are more inclined to accept the GBC cover story because it preserves the integrity of the ISKCON that they know. 

One of the greatest problems for any devotee to deal with is to admit the ISKCON they thought portrayed what they read in Srila Prabhupada’s books, the one they have so completely given their heart to, does not, in fact, serve Srila Prabhupada’s instructions.

There is an ongoing battle between the forces of light and darkness in the world today. It is not merely some theoretical contest taking place only in the pages of the Bhagavatam, but is eternally played out in the material realm we live in. It is very much. 

HOW FAR WOULD THEY GO? 

A part of our reality, right here and now, and although it may take place in ways that are not immediately apparent, it is always going on. An important part of strategy in war is to take out the leader of the opposing army, leaving the foot soldiers bewildered and confused. This was done with Jesus and James, and however painful it is to admit, it was also done with Srila Prabhupada. 

Those who were closest to him maliciously poisoned him over an extended
period of time with the intention of killing him, endeavoring to make it look like the ravages of old age and inexplicable disease. I want to state unequivocally that I do not accept that Srila Prabhupada’s was killed by poison. Life and death are controlled by Krishna, especially in the case of His pure devotee. Reading
Srila Prabhupada’s health history it is observed that at times Srila Prabhupada appeared quite ill and would then have an immediate and almost miraculous turn-around and his health would improve. 

Perhaps by Krishna’s grace the effects of poison were removed, as was the case with Prahlad Maharaja. Nonetheless, the poisoners were convinced they could remove him with their poisons, and acted in that way. Srila Prabhupada said that Krishna left it up to him whether he would stay in this world or not. It is clear to me that Srila Prabhupada decided to leave when, after unequivocally stating that he was being poisoned on November 10, 1977, everything continued as before without any change. Under the circumstances, if Krishna has given him the choice, why would he stay? 

The poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is not some work of fiction, it is not some fairy tale cooked up by a handful of malcontents, or the creation of “ritvik envy.” Thousands of devotees accept as fact that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned, most of them leaving the institution controlled by a GBC who, rather than earnestly seeking the truth to what can only be the most important event in ISKCON’s history, rubber stamped a cover-up crafted by none other than a disciple of the main suspect. 

The GBC Decree 

Recently the smoking gun was produced: analysis of hair samples delivered by the GBC to forensic labs showing an astounding level of cadmium – 225 times the amount normally found in hair! Cadmium is a heavy metal, and an extremely toxic substance.  Moreover, the hair tests confirm that poison had been administered over an extended period of time – since Srila Prabhupada
began suffering unexplained health problems.

Shortly after Nityananda Dasa released irrefutable, conclusive, forensic analysis with the cadmium findings, the GBC issued an intimidating letter totally ignoring the evidence, warning that merely looking at it would damage one’s spiritual life. Note the unnerving adjectives intended to frighten the reader: The new accusations raise pseudo-scientific arguments that actual science rejects. 

Therefore, to protect innocent devotees from devastating offenses, the GBC is preparing a detailed response to the latest accusations, which are themselves the actual poison in this case. The GBC requests ISKCON devotees to focus their attention on serving Prabhupada's mission and to avoid hearing these monstrous accusations, until the GBC presents a response to the latest poisonous theories. (emphasis added).

As of this date, twenty-one months later, they have yet to deliver their response. If the results are so pseudo-scientific why does it take so long to write a rebuttal? 

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This letter was signed by every GBC member, clearly demonstrating that at least 9 of them (about one-fourth of the GBC body) to be devoid of integrity. I write that because I asked them face-to-face whether they did anything at all to investigate the allegations: Badrinarayana Swami, BB Govinda Swami, Bhakti-
vaibhava Swami, Bhakti Chaitanya Swami, Devamrita Swami, Hridaya Chaitanya Prabhu, Niranjana Swami, Bhakti Charu Swami and Shivaram Swami – NOT ONE OF THEM DID ANYTHING TO INVESTIGATE THESE ALLEGATIONS!

There could not be a greater dereliction of duty, since nothing could more significant than the poisoning of their spiritual master! Yet they wouldn’t so much as lift a finger to investigate the matter on the simple presumption that such a thing is impossible. Such irresponsibility is beyond comprehension.
This reflects the behavior of the GBC quoted earlier from Ramesvara Dasa: “No one back then did their job or acted with full responsibility for what they were endorsing.”

Thus what we have is a decree from the GBC:

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!

WE DECLARE THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS NEVER POISONED!

Nonsense.

As if, like the Roman Popes, they can just decree the “truth” and everyone is to accept it without question. “Don’t look at these ‘monstrous accusations’ or you will lose your soul!” Mere Dogma. A bogeyman meant to scare the neophytes. Actually, if any devotee bothers to investigate, to even the slightest degree, they cannot help but come to the conclusion that Srila Prabhupada was
indeed poisoned, the primary evidence being that he said so himself! 

The fact that the GBC is covering it up rather than making a real investigation, indicates that they themselves are guilty, or are protecting the guilty! Why do the GBC ignore the direct evidence as well as the great amount of anecdotal evidence? Because with one notable exception, the perpetrators of this horrendous crime are still at the helm of the institution, and they don’t want anybody to realize the fact. So don’t ask any questions! It is forbidden!

Truthful Investigations

Doing what the entire GBC body could not do, Nityananda Dasa made a very thorough investigation, as did the members of the November 14th Commission,and the evidence was collected and presented in several books: “Someone has Poisoned Me,” 

“Judge for Yourself,” and “Kill Guru, Become Guru.” 

As distasteful as it is, any person that wants to know the truth of the matter for themselves must read these books. Don’t throw away your dis-crimination based on the ’BC's red herring of ritvikism, and threats of maha-aparadha. Those are merely their efforts to discredit the truth.

Unfortunately, due to cognitive dissonance, or perhaps simply blindly following their mis-leaders, many ISKCON devotees willfully ignore the facts. For those with such weakness of heart we remind them of the consequences of blind following: 

Leaders who have fallen into ignorance and who mislead people by directing them to the path of destruction are, in effect, boarding a stone boat, and so too are those who blindly follow them. A stone boat would be unaband would sink in the water with its passengers. Similarly, those who mislead people go to hell, and their followers go with them. SB 6.7.14

While all of the GBC may not be guilty, their complicity supports the Kali-chelas misdirecting the society. Sadly, naïve GBC members have been manipulated to sign their names to a document based on nothing more than sentiment. They think they are defending ISKCON, but in fact are defending the Kali-chelas de-
stroying the ISKCON they are pledged to protect! Wake Up!

In this chapter I put forward a sampling of the evidence demonstrating that Srila Prabhupada’s closest men poisoned him with the intention to kill him. There is evidence that they had help from the Kamsas who will do anything to maintain their control of this world. Remember Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta’s alarm:
King Kamsa is ever on the lookout for the appearance of the Truth for the purpose of suppressing Him before He has time to develop. 

It is necessary to put down the transcendental heresy the instant it appears.
Srila Prabhupada Himself is the Strongest Proof Srila Prabhupada’s own statements provide the most significant evidence of this fact. Will the sincere followers who are willing to accept anything Srila Prabhupada said or wrote as the Absolute Truth, also accept the three times he said he was poisoned?

I will not duplicate the entire conversation here. It can be read in the books cited that thoroughly investigate the issue. 

The transcripts of room conversations are available from the Bhaktivedanta Archives. Get it while it is available for it will likely disappear sometime in the future. However, a sampling provides. 

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irrefutable evidence that Srila Prabhupada, and others in his presence, absolutely understood that he was being maliciously poisoned. The big question is why was it business as usual after that?

Srila Prabhupada had asked the Kaviraj to invite a mutual acquaintance, Balarama Misra, to visit him. During his visit on November 9th Srila Prabhupada put aside all preliminary niceties that usually accompany seeing an old friend after a long time. Immediately he disclosed this dark information to an outsider – not his inner circle – indicating that perhaps he was not sure who he could trust: 

SP: (Bengali) Someone says that I have been poisoned… it’s possible.
Balarama Misra: Hmm?
Kaviraja: (Hindi) What are you saying?
SP: (Hindi) Someone says that, somebody has given me poison.
Kaviraja: Kisko? / To whom?
SP: Mujhko. / To me.
Kaviraja: (Hindi) This thing Maharaja. You know how you said today that someone said somebody gave you poison? Did you get some indication or feeling about this, or what?
SP: (Hindi) No. Someone said that, when given poison, this happens... Maybe it's written in some book.
Kaviraja: (Hindi) That happens from some foods. Raw mercury makes it happen. And there are other things with which it can happen. I mean, who would do that to you? My understanding is that anyone who thinks about doing this to a saint is a rakshasa.

Kaviraja: (Hindi)
SP: (Hindi) All these friends. 

We have heard that the gossip in Vrindavana at that time was Srila Prabhupada’s being poisoned,

November 10th:
Bhavananda: Prabhupada was complaining of mental distress this morning
Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) ...mental distress?
Prabhupada: Hm, hm.
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi -- mentions word "poison")
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Devotee: Someone gave him poison here.
Kaviraja: (Hindi long explanation)
Tamala Krishna: Prabhupada was thinking that someone had poisoned him.
Adri-dharana: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: That was the mental distress?
Adri-dharana: Yes.
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Tamala Krishna: What did Kaviraja just say?
Bhakti-caru: He said that when Srila Prabhupada was saying that, there must be some truth behind it.

My Bengali-speaking friends listening to this conversation say that Srila
Prabhupada is unmistakably saying that he is being poisoned.

SP: (Hindi) All these friends . Yes Sab Friends.

Leaders like Hitler: Sense gratification, that's all. (SP Lecture)

The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. 

But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all. He wanted that this way government should be, according to his own sense. Another person, just like Mr. Churchill or your President Roosevelt, they said "No. The sense gratification should not be like that. The sense gratification should be like this." (laughter) 

So it is the war of sense gratification, that's all. One leader is presenting a program of sense gratification, another leader is presenting another program of sense gratification, and there is clash. This is going on. This is the history of the world.

And another class, they are thinking "Oh, there are so much trouble simply for sense gratification. Let us control our senses." Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā, just like Māyāvādī philosophers, Śaṅkarācārya. They say this world is useless. This world is useless. Only Brahman, the Supreme Brahman, impersonal Brahman, that is truth. That is also another sense gratification. That is bigger sense gratification. 

Why? These Māyāvādī philosophers, they want to merge into the existence of the Supreme One. That means by becoming Hitler, Churchill or Roosevelt, their senses were not very much satisfied. "Now," they say, "this world is false. Now let me become the Supreme." That is another sense gratification.

So this world, without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is simply sense gratification. That's all.

Lecture, Bhagavad-gita 3.6-10, Los Angeles, December 23, 1968

My Memories of Sulochan das by Yuvati dasi

[PADA: Yuvati dasi saved my life by telling people that Tirtha was the New Vrndavana hit man, and so he was arrested thanks to her efforts. And then the FBI found a description of my vehicle in his pocket. Then the Berkeley police came and told me, "you are next on their hit list." So she helped get Tirtha arrested, and the police connected him to coming after me. And that is how I survived this process. 

She was my guardian angel and I will never forget that. 

Its another example of how the GBC has totally ruined the lives of many of these ISKCON children by bringing crimes, including molesting and murders, into their lives. More than a few of them told me, its been a nightmare. She never should have been involved in these false guru programs, and the subsequent banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and -- murders. They dragged her, and us, and the general public into all this mess, a mess of their own making. Jaya Yuvati! ys pd]   

My Memories of Sulochan dasa by Yuvati dasi (Ann Matusow).

Sulochan’s murder broke my heart on so many levels. He was my friend, like a big brother, and I got angry at him so many times during those years about his obsession with Bhaktipada, which was all because of losing his wife and children. I told him many times that if his wife had loved him and wanted to stay with him, then Bhaktipada could not have influenced her otherwise. It took a while but by the time he was murdered he had come to accept that he hadn’t actually been that great a husband to her.


He had spent enough time with me and my single mom friends and had grown to have more respect for women and our struggles. He fixed our cars, helped us with our children, built bunk beds for my sons, and walked my baby daughter for hours softly chanting japa to her when she was sick. He was a good friend to my mom and they would spend hours talking about all kinds of things from aliens to feminism, and the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

I had known him when he was an upright agitated brahmachari in England, where he was constantly turning us girls in, reporting us, for saris slipping off our heads, and bra straps showing; silly things. However, he was also the pujari who with great devotion created such stunning scenes of beauty for Radha-Gokulananda at Bhaktivedanta Manor during Srila Prabhupada’s last visit there that Srila Prabhupad would stand before the deities with tears streaming down his face.

Sulochan was a man like many others, with faults, and talents. He evolved during the last few years of his life; he acknowledged a lot of his immaturity and grew into a kind, helpful man who truly cared about me and my family. In those last few days before he died, when we were driving down to Los Angeles together, he told me he was done with his pursuit of “vengeance,” which had to do with his tell-all book on New Vrindaban: “The Guru Business.” He told me he was tired of holding all that anger in his heart and just wanted to live peacefully.

He dropped me off at my friend’s place in Los Angeles and we made tentative plans to go see the new James Bond movie that had just come out. He died parked on a quiet street in Culver City. He was smoking a joint and listening to the Moody Blues, relaxing before bed. I could have been in that van with him, or one of our friends. Would I now be dead? And my children motherless? All these years? Perhaps. Instead we, my friends and I, lost a dear friend. I always think of him and miss him. Another stupid useless death due to the lunacy of man.

(Edited for clarity.)


"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. When Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra payeche kebā, he is indicating an actual Vaiṣṇava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava.”

Sri Caitanya-caritamrta – 1975 Edition – Madhya-lila 1.218 Purport

Concert Tribute to George Harrison (SF July 9th)

Complaints about Umapati's Return to Mayapura

[PADA: Sheesh pilgrims! We are gaining more momentum on going after the bogus ISKCON GBC's "enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators as messiahs" project. I am also getting many nice private messages on this topic from people who are fearful of the GBC goonda process, or they do not want their abuse to be known to the public etc. Nice letter from an ex-kuli who told me, without your help, I would have committed suicide a long time ago. In any case, more of the natives are getting restless. Who can blame them? ys pd] 

PADA: angel108b@yahoo.com

Back in the saddle again

JND: Homosexual predator Umapati Swami is back in Mayapur posing as a fake guru and renounced sannyasi. Wake up everyone, and realize the truth, that ISKCON has been infiltrated by asuric forces! 

HF: Does he perform bhakti like 16 rounds, dietary restrictions etc.? Obviously he is breaking the principle of illicit sex but maybe he has some good qualities too IDK. He's probably a jerk I'm just curious.

PD: He has to admit what he has done to those victims .. if he has not.. then no amount maha mantra will save him.

AS: This JND gets paid by asuras to speak ill of others. He knows half stories and poses to be self realised soul. Sits and does nothing for Srila Prabhupada, just criticises and criticises!!

JD: ...here we go again!

JND: People should take note how you are attacked if you point out a pervert or a pedophile in ISKCON. To what lengths they will go to protect pedophiles and vilify anyone who speaks against them.

BC: This ISKCON that now stands is not the ISKCON of Srila Prabhupada, and it is disgusting.

JND: Notice not one person can come and say Umapati Swami doesn't assault people. All they can say is "you shouldn't say this in public, it will bring bad name." Who cares about your bad name. Let one person come forward and say Umapati Swami isn't a predator, I dare you. None of these people would ever dare say any of this to my face because they do not have the courage.

PADA: Umapati came from the same Mott Street gang which included Kirtanananda. They were never able to give up their old ways. The problem is, the other "sannyasis" kicked us out when we complained about the homosexuality, the molesting, the crimes etc. and they even orchestrated murders to silence us. They are protecting one another. ys pd

JJ: FYI : https://iskconnews.org/gbc-releases-statement-re-umapati.../

PADA: They often "release a statement," but keep the bad guys, hee hee. Yes, as a matter of fact our sum total of the demigods acharyas have been doing the hokey pokey, any questions?

As soon as the GBC's began preaching that Krishna's acharyas are often debauchees, drug addicts and criminals in the early 1980s, I told them my kids will never attend your schools. My kids will not be taught that God's successors are often illicit sex deviants and criminals. And that is why I kept my kids out of their program and got them to understand that Srila Prabhupada is our acharya. ys pd

VA: You're so fortunate you came along at a time when abuses were being exposed. In the early days, a lot of devotees saw everything with rose colored glasses. I for one thought that if you came to this movement you had already reached a certain point in your spiritual life.. a place where you would never commit the crimes that were carried out ... my stupidity

PADA: I saw a giant 3 ft. photo of Jayatirtha's head in the Bhaktivedanta manor gurukula in 1979. That is when I said my kids will never attend this school, and a few months later the gang of four gurus booted me out of ISKCON. First, they offered to make me the guru of Ireland if I would "work with them." Hee hee. Jayatirtha was one of them, and his people later on confronted me and wanted to beat me to death probably in Berkeley here, and they would have, except a few people were with me and they said, you Jayatirtha guys out number us over 100 to us few, but keep in mind, we have got the guns. That is how I survived that one. ys pd

MS: ISKON is a church based org ..... It is very far away from worshipping Sri Krishna. Does anyone have the qualities of Radha, Meera or Gopikas or even the acceptance of Barbarik, Bhisma, Kunti, Panchali, Uddhava or Pandavas? Or at least the arrogance of Ashwathama or Karna?

DKD: Its strange no of the victims starts a criminal case ...

PADA: This is a common question we get all the time. All sorts of deviations, reported embezzling funds for personal opulent lifestyles, crimes, molesting, murders and who knows what, but why aren't the rank and file publicly protesting, and more importantly, reporting the crimes, suing the leaders etc.?

JND: The Umapati victims were supposedly mostly from China and if so, can't even declare themselves belonging to this group without getting arrested. As always they would get no encouragement from ISKCON to file criminal cases anyway. In 50 years no criminal case ever filed by ISKCON against a child molester or rapist? They always use heavy tactics to make the victims remain silent. There is a reason pedophiles target certain Asian countries too, because they know the chance of being caught or convicted are so low.

PADA: When me and Sulochan tried to expose the molesting, the New Vrndavana gangsters all combined to come after us. Umapati, Radhanath, Kuladri, Kirtanananda, Tapah Punjah, Tirtha, and others. After the murder, their group used to go and give special "kirtans" for "the pure warrior for Krishna" Tritha in jail, and they gave him sannyasa there as well. Umapati was one of the leaders of the group going to the jail to glorify that murderer. I would have been murdered by them as well, because their hit man had a note with the licence number of my vehicle when he was arrested. The FBI said "you are next." Of course after that, the police arrested the people who were chasing me with baseball bats, because they were doing surveillance on me, they knew I was next. Anyway we posted an eye witness account, he was there. ys pd

KRISHNA1008.BLOGSPOT.COM

My Involvement in the Sulochan Murder (Jyotidhama dasa)

RRD: Actually, the way Prabhupada intended ISKCON to end up is with a solid base in Varnashram, which means we would have had our own Ksatriyas to see that the leaders are punished that transgress the rules. That goes for anyone. We are not here to wait for Krishna to take action, He gave us sufficient laws and ways to rectify society. Waiting for Krishna is not one of them.

VA: There were lots of predators within ISKCON chanting their rounds and trying to appear pious, meanwhile committing unspeakable crimes against children, children whom Srila Prabhupada said are actually demigods. These asuras deserve the worst possible punishment, and eventually they will be punished severely.

JD: If everyone thinks like them, the children will all just continue to suffer. No more ostrich mentality! No more facilitating nonsense, glorifying inhuman behavior, promoting / recycling criminals in saffron... this has to stop. 

VA: These are soul destroying atrocities against innocent children, crimes the victims may never recover from in this lifetime. 

SB: True!! krsna shall punish all sinners in any iskcon in the universe .

JJ: Their chanting is sending them to hell ....

JND: LOL. You have also been defending these pedophile lovers. You are the full problem within ISKCON. You allow these pedophiles to act and then you protect them. And why are you posting from a fake profile with 5 friends? Be a man and post under your own name. And you immediately liked your own comment from another fake profile. What type of psycho things are going on in your head that you would use multiple fake profiles to reply to a facebook post?

RRD: Of course, JND does nothing for Prabhupada Lol AS, in your face, He built 2 big Vaisnav temples in honour of Krishna and Srila Prabhupada in India. So you dnt really know crap.

JD: Better to criticize a criminal than to excuse him in the name of false respect and pseudo devotion... 

UD Dasi: You have no idea what wonderful service he does.

SB: JND Stop this for Christ's sake blaspheming about the Brand name ISKCON. Can we get mature and think all this happening becoz of Krsna's Direction? Start promoting iskcon world wide as a good brand regardless of internal enviousness. By this open forum discussion we are just degrading ourselves. Please think of the universe, the infinite, and there are billions of iskcons in different planets. Lets not see the problem at micro level. Just stop the discussion of which ever iskcon, either madhu pandits ... either gbcs, either moon planet's and iskcon gets its brand name UP Bro!! 

Promote iskcon, get devotees in ur temple ... its krsna who decides which devotees to be sent at which temple ....not us... it depends on devotee's mood and behaviour to join exact temple..... please try understand what i am try to put across.... 

I was with iskcon too at hare krsna hill ... we had lots internal stuff too ... which needs to kept confidential as we shall promote iskcon's brand name of Srila Prabhupad. Let it not get Dirty in any way please. I carry the good name of MPD to outsiders without discussing the few internal issues. ISKCON is an institution and all do not join as sanyasis. Student will rise up fail ... rise up fail .... sanyasis also are human .... not all fall .. sanyasis are the principal of college ...some time principle may fall ... as many other rishis have fallen....

Will u blaspheme Vishamitra? Dont do it! U get immense karma and Disease. Just prase to krsna in ur temple, please bring them up as good soul.

[PADA: Acharyas are human beings who fail? This is called the mad elephant offense, to consider the acharyas are ordinary fallen men. And this is also what bank robbers say sometimes, "God wanted me to rob this bank." Its God's will that crimes are going on, because God is a person who wants to promote crimes? Then people wonder why many of the gurukulis who have been abused are rejecting the religion? Because they are being told that "its your karma" "its God's will" that you are being abused. That is blaming God for the crimes of demoniac people. And what does Vishamrita have to do with a sexual predator messiah's club?]

JND: You are retarded. You think kids are getting molested because of "Krishna's direction"? This retarded guy "SB" thinks I am from ISKCON Bangalore, uses foul language and then threatens to "expose" the crimes at ISKCON Bangalore if I don't keep quiet. What type of jokers are these people?

CV: AS so if YOU know more then show evidence instead of spreading false rumours!! 

MC: AS defending molesters and Vaishnava aparadhis is mad elephant offense, its mudha.

VA: AS who are you that you would say such a thing? Crawl out of your hole so we can see who you are. JND doesn't need to justify anything ... his good works say it all.

ND Dasi: SB! It is our duty to expose these asuras and kick these bloody demons out. It would be better to be kicked out of the present ISKCON, So much corruption. Sincere devotees banned, but murderers and child molesters allowed to stay, and to be posing as leaders and gurus. You should expose these demons. Srila Prabhupada would not want us to be quiet and let them continue to harm more kids. If we continue to keep quiet we will end up like the catholic church. Demons OUT!!! Grow up and wake up.

MR: I know, I was living in Mayapur for almost 10yrs, being a secretary to Mayapur's Co-Directors, I know so much dirt firsthand. What others here are saying, is only a few teeny percent % of what I know. So Mr A.S., I know it is very hard to accept and face the truth. My advice to you, better to accept it ASAP. There are pedophiles, criminals, etc.. walking in vaishnava dress. Most of the land around Mayapur is The Land of Sin, the way it was purchased and obtained, etc, etc.. what to speak of book changing, stealing mayapur money, fake sanyasis with girlfriends, sanyas gurus glorifying murderers, etc, etc..I really dont know, it seems we follow different sampradayas, reading different books, are some are illiterate or only God knows what is in peoples head. It seems to me that Sanyas robe is so powerful making people hypnotized just seeing it, anyway, sad thing nobody was ever responsible for anything, and victims always suffer the most.

MC: Its like “birds of the same feather flock together”...a veritable viper’s nest of the worst kind of enablers... sent by kali and his leading disciples... the satanic secret societies and cults...may Lord Krishna protect your work prabhu

PADA: Prabhavishnu is also getting his feet washed again etc.

JND: ISKCON followers are in denial that 90% of their leaders are corrupt and fallen. They do not want to accept this unpleasant reality. ISKCON will not improve until this truth is accepted. Saying this is not hatred of ISKCON.

SA: JND can you list the 10% you count as not fallen and corrupt? Im keeping my fingers crossed for Kadamba Kanana Swami Maharaja and Radhantha Swami Maharaja.

JND: I don't know them personally and hope you are right. Everyone will have to figure it out themselves ultimately. As a whole, the GBC has always covered for criminals and protected them. So there is definately a lot of rot in there

SA: Not to be offensive Prabhu, i am trying to hear your claim. You list 90/10% and with that statistic i am seeking the crystal clear, greater information surrounding it. I am a father of five so this convo may be important. I feel you should reveal, if time and circumstances allow, the 10%. That would be an authentic Vaishnava fashion imo. By glorifying the 10% the other 90% are revealed as shadows. Otherwise, it seems a sweeping condemnation.

MJ: They will take you back to godhead 1000%!! hahahahaha

MC: If the GBC does not tackle this problem and gives refuge to degenerate criminals and dharma-killers (book changers and policy changers), they are part of the problem and are complicit...

N Dasi: Radhanath Swami is a helper of murder and a supporter of child abuse predators. Read 'Killing For Krishna'. Watch this YouTube till the end. Very important to have a bonafide Guru, otherwise they will take their disciples to hell with them. Sorry to be the messenger of bad news. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QatUU7XLxco&t=40s

YOUTUBE.COM
Jvalamukhi - testimony…

VA: Don't leave your children unprotected on their own in the gurukula...just like residential schools, there has been too much abuse going on.... keep them close to to you and guide them in their Krsna consciousness and satvik practices.... if they are given love, they won't veer far from the path... your children are worth more than a roll of the dice.

SA: I would never even go to a place where my kids couldn't be left unattended. This information is very troubling to me. I did not have time to watch the entire Jvalamukhi video currently. My heart breaks for everyone that has had these experiences in pursuit of Krishna Consciousness. My entire experience within ISKCON has been transformative to say the least, completely antithetical to all these negative experiences. I don't really know what to do anymore.

I guess in light of such terrible crimes / transgressions the ten percent of good leaders would be unmentionable. Thank you all for your insights. After stumbling on the Kirtananda situation from long ago i thought of Iskcon as reformed. The original revelations crushed my tender creeper of Bhakti before. I don't really know how to take association of the greater pool of Devotees. I know of many good Devotees here and few missionaries. I am going to get land, grow more crops, and personally protect cows.

I am naive. Is naviety and ignorance going to prevent them from incurring sinful reactions when they adamantly defend Demons, Masonic temple builders, and all other things you have mentioned? I feel stupid because i am stupid, but i have to ask, how can anything good come from an organization whose entire leadership is Demoniac? Also, where to go from here?

I also understood that the Guru especially should be worshipped like the Lord himself. Also the other Devotees should be worshipped... in fact that is more potent than worshipping the Supreme Lord himself, according to Srila Prabhupada. If we can't worship the leaders of ISKCON how could we participate on any level? Please instruct. 

PADA: The leader of ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada. The problem is that the GBC says you can have any guru you want, as long as its not Prabhupada. That is why I pulled my kids, I have them accepting Prabhupada as their guru. This is another form of child abuse, to force them to worship deviants as their acharyas. ys pd
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This is the same problem we have had with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Pancali / HKC Jaipur folks.

1) They are great friends with Sanat, the person who told me he knew ALL the kids were getting molested where his wife was a teacher in Satsvarupa's gurukula. They also knew this was part of an overall worldwide webs and nests molesting program, because one of the teen aged molesters had been trained in another GBC area. So they covered it up, did not report this to the police or notify the other ISKCON parents worldwide that this was going on. They wanted to cover all this up, and save the GBC's leaders of that school like Satsvarupa from prosecution. And keep the molesting going? 

2) As soon as they found out that hundreds of kids were being pulled out of the GBC's molesting program, and the suicides epidemic was dropping off due to the Windle Turley lawsuit, they were infuriated that the program they were enabling by their silence was being exposed and people were being saved from their agenda. Then these people all told me we have to listen to Bhakta das, a big cheer leader of the GBC's molester messiah's program. What kind of people are doing the happy dance when they find out that children are being abused, and some are committing suicide after being abused? Sanaka is right, this is a conspiracy of silence. Its worse than that, they actively oppose exposing this agenda.   

3) Now Prahlad says he knows of a bogus school in India where molesting has been going on for decades, and he can get that verified by the neighbors of that school, and parents from that school. Yet, he and / or his HKC Jaipur pals never go there to help the situation? He never stops there when he visits India to organize them to have that reported that to the police? 

Or is he saying India is a place where neighbors and parents allow molesting left, right and center, and for decades? Is he attacking India's culture? Or what? Prahlad claims all kinds of local people know about molesting in their local school, and its not being countered, or even reported to the police? Why would Prahlad attack India's culture as one that acquiesces to child abuse?

No, there is no place where known child abuse is being allowed, he is making this up in order to rationalize their own cover up process. Even in the USA known child abuse in a school results in stern counter measures, and / or police reports, and / or lawsuits. Prahlad is talking about his own GBC clone-head program which covers up for molesting, not the culture of India. Even the Western culture of USA does not allow known child molesting to continue.

And now he and his friend Michael Keith Powell are saying, we need to support child molesting cover ups like Sanat, and help Prahlad complain about people who expose their agenda. We need to do the happy dance when we find molesting is going on, and suicides of children is also going on? We need to glorify the molester cover ups program leaders like Sanat? We need to promote the Bhakta das cheer leaders of the GBC agenda, then people wonder why the gurukula children (and the mass of general public) have a bad impression of the religion? ys pd   

The Soul is in Material World by Choice (SP Essays)

"To live a miserable life in the material world is a choice of the soul and not a chance. And from the material world also by his own choice he can go back to home, back to Godhead."

Srila Prabhupada / Essays and Articles / Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Ādi-līlā, Chapter 5 [Handwritten]

India Bans Violent Video Games to Prevent "Psychopaths"

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/india-bans-most-popular-game-220000479.html

PADA: Well hee hee, its a good idea, and it might help a little bit, but its not going to stop India's actual for real psychopaths. Lets face it, technology is way out of control at this point, and its not going to be easy to put the genie back into the bottle. ys pd 

Jo Achyuthananda (Krishna Bhajan / Video)

Gaura Purnima Celebration Today (Sunnyvale)

Conversation about Jeeva Tattva with India Devotee

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/03/fallen-living-entities-from-spiritual.html

[PADA: Devotee from India has been told (even by "senior devotees"?) to accept that us (the jeevas) were never originally with Krishna. Hence, there is no such process as "Back to Godhead," because we were never with Godhead. Here is our discussion ...] PADA @ angel108b@yahoo.com

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DD: Dear PADA: Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Is there any authorised english version of Sat Sandarbha by our Acharyas? As far as I know, there are none.

PADA: I am not aware of any. Srila Prabhupada was asked, what about all the previous books written by the previous acharyas? He said, whatever you need to know its ALL in my books. He also said that the Gaudiya Matha's books were edited after 1936 and they are no longer bona fide ...

DD: Yes. He said that. I read your article, false Jaiva Dharma. There are false versions of Jaiva Dharma, so false versions of Sat Sandarbha might also be there.

PADA: He made one exception, the Brahma samhita. Yes, the point is, without an acharya to give the purports, there are also hundreds of editions of the Gita, but none of them are correct. Simply sanskrit grammar is not sufficient.

DD: Yes. Many misunderstand Bhagavad Gita too. If some souls are starting off in the spiritual world and others are starting off in the material world, then it kind of makes the whole Vaishnav Philosophy upside down.

PADA: Yes. People like Kundali made an edition saying we were never with Krishna, but he is with the Gaudiya Matha people ... Yes, Gaudiya Vaishnavas say that we are all originally with Krishna and we become envious of Krishna. How can we become envious if we have no idea who He is? Like Srila Prabhupada said, yes they are tinged with Mayavada.

DD: Yes true

PADA: Yes, some of them say we started out as Nitya Baddha, we started out in hell already? Hee hee, they think God is Satan.

DD: Yes. That makes God biased. Which he's not.

PADA: Why would a loving God place some of his children in heaven and some in hell, from their original state? Yes, they are preaching the same basic idea as the Catholic church, some special souls start with God and stay there, the less special, the condemned children, they come here. So this is preaching a mundane and biased idea of God. God does not create "special blessed" children and simultaneously create "Satanic condemned" children, even a mundane man treats his children equal ..

DD: Yes, their statements have many loopholes. Just hearing it sounds like fake philosophy.

PADA: Yes, its mundane idea that God has bigot and biased mentality, they are biased and they think God is like them ...

DD: It's fake*

PADA: Yes, of course that also means they have no idea that "back to San Francisco" means, we were there before. They do not know even kindergarten level grammar, "Back to Godhead" means -- we were there with Him previously.

DD: Back to Godhead is the entire basis of the Vaishnava process. Yes. And Lord Krishna is equal to all. He says it in Bg. Yes. BTG is the essence of Vaishnav Philosophy.

PADA: So when the Mayapur Gaudiya Matha God brothers objected to "Back to Godhead," we knew they were bogus right away. When Srila Prabhupada said these God brothers are "tinged with mayavada" we all laughed because, their idea makes no sense. Of course it makes sense, if we are followers of the Vatican and the Catholics, but we are not in that process.

I grew up with a Catholic mother and she believed that God has separated His children from the outset: (A) There are some special select children who start in heaven with God. And then there are (B) us, the lesser children, the condemned souls. So I know what that idea is. That is one reason I loved Srila Prabhupada's idea, back to Godhead, makes God into a equal father ... all souls start out equally. This also makes sense, why would God be biased with His children?

DD: And Srila Prabhupada always spoke the truth. If we don't follow him, we are doomed.

PADA: that is one of the hidden messages in my painting, we started with Him.

DD: Very nice painting

PADA: Thanks!

DD: Thank you for the Jaiva Dharma Article. It helped me a lot.

PADA: Yes, we follow the acharya or we fall into speculation.

DD: Yes.

PADA: I also posted a video where Srila Prabhupada talks about falling from the spiritual world.

DD: Yes, I also saw that on your blog. He also said only a few percentage fall down from the spiritual world. That is the right understanding.

PADA: We have to have a choice to serve or not service, or else we are robots.

DD: Yes. No individualism then.

PADA: There is no love from a robot

DD: Yes

PADA: So they think no one can fall because we are mechanical beings with no ability to choose. Anyway so many flaws and loopholes ...

DD: Yes.

PADA: Simply stated they do not believe in the Back to Godhead principle, they think they know better than the acharya.
DD: Yes. That's why we shouldn't read outside translations. We can easily be doomed.

PADA: Right, any idea that opposes the acharya is deviation.

DD: Yes!

PADA: Krishna is equal, and that means there are no special selected higher children -- and a sub-set of condemned lower children, that is also common sense, God has no reason to be biased with His children when even ordinary man is not biased with children

They are saying God has mundane qualities worse than ordinary man ... its because mayavadas are tinged with envious, they want to condemn Krishna in some way ..

DD: Yes. False philosophy.

PADA: God causes some of us to fail, some to not fail, that blames God for our suffering ... its an attack on God's personality.

DD: Which can lead us to hell

PADA: Yes, its an attack on God's character personally.

DD: Exactly. It's laughable

PADA: It makes God a tyrant ... He blesses some and condemns some others, willy nilly, like an evil dictator.

DD: Their fake philosophy

PADA: Yes that is why i rejected Catholic church which preaches same basic thing ... there is no good explanation why some are with God and some are not?

DD: Yes. Even to a kid this won't sound right?

PADA: Anyway, that is why I argued with Gaura Govinda maharaja's folks, Kundali, Sridhara Maharaja's folks, Naryana Maharaja's folks etc., all of them are preaching this idea that we originated elsewhere, there is no elsewhere, there is Krishna and He is our original source and we are with Him at the source

So this has filtered in through these people and their followers ...

DD: This is pathetic. Fooling innocents. Even Srila Prabhupada's followers.

PADA: Yes, well they wanted to be cheated because they all know that Srila Prabhupada says, Back to Godhead, everyone knows that.

DD: Cheaters will get cheated

PADA: Yes, they wanted something, some position, some special glory as more advanced, and so on ...

DD: Yes that makes one fall down.

PADA: So they got position, but they did not get the proper jeeva tattva,

DD: Yes

PADA: And they often they also got the wrong guru tattva, Krishna tattva, and all the other tattvas. They went back to Vatican Pope jeeva tattva, Vatican Pope voting for gurus, all that, mundane religion.

DD: Blind leading the blind. It's dangerous. Even a slight deviation from Srila Prabhupada, and you are on your way to hell. 

PADA: Yes, so we are lucky to stick with the version given by the acharya. As for Jeeva Goswami and others, I would have never have heard of Jeeva Goswami anyway without Prabhupada.

DD: Yes. Same. He only teaches previous Acharya's teachings

PADA: So God is not a tyrant, they are tyrants, and they want God to be like them. They are trying to drag God to their level of thinking ... like a frog who thinks he can defeat the PHD scholar. Anyway, they are tinged with mayavada, that means, still having tinge of envy of Krishna.

DD: Yes. Thank you for explaining Prabhu. It really helped. We need to be saved from their foolish nirvisesa and sunnyavada.

PADA: Jayate. Yes, it was the GBC itself who brought all this into ISKCON. They brought in the Gaudiya Matha people, babajis and others, and then we had this "Back to Godhead is bogus" preaching starting to spin off off from their program. They are spawning competition to Srila Prabhupada's teachings.

DD: Yes correct, and thank you for your time. Hare Krishna!