PADA: Bhakta Torben and his mentor Rocana das are preaching Mayavada, exactly as Kirtanananda was preaching. For starters, they are saying that there is now a difference in potency between Srila Prabhupada's words (vani) from the time he was physically present, to the current time. Why are his words different in potency from then until now?
They say formerly (pre-1977) his words were giving "divyam jnanam which destroys sins" (diksha). However now, Torben and Rocana are saying that Srila Prabhupada words are NOT ANY LONGER giving the divyam jnanam which destroys sins (aka diksha), because his physical body is not here.
Thus! They say Srila Prabhupada is NO LONGER THE DIKSHA GURU of the Hare Krishna religion because now his words are no longer giving any divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha). Simply because his body is not present, his words are now devoid of this potency? This is mayavada, the words of the guru have no potency because his physical body is absent?
Oh we forgot!
They have a pocketful of deviants who are going to be giving us the divyam jnanam which destroys sins (aka diksha), or even, they have no named person AT ALL who can give this. No named person is MAYAVADA. Torben has said many times we need to surrender to a LIVING person, but this living person has NO NAME.
OK we need to surrender to the non-existing, non-manifest, this is total mayavada! We need to worship the non-manifest, no named person, who does not exist? At least the karmis worship Jesus, they are better than the mayavadas, they know we have to worship someone because they are personalists! Yes, all glories to nobody pada, that is mayavada!
Q: Who is the guru?
A: Its anyone as long as its not Srila Prabhupada.
Q: And does this "anyone" have a name?
A: No, this person actually does not exist. Its just better to worship no one than Srila Prabhupada.
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WHY DOES HE FIND DIFFERENCES IN VIBRATION AND WORDS?
(Exactly the same question is to be asked of the massive changing of Srila Prabhupada's words in his books by the so-called "ISKCON": Why are they changing his words?)
"I have already requested Brahmananda to stop Kirtanananda's speaking at any of our functions till my arrival. If he wants to preach anything he can do it on his own in a different place.
Krishna is certainly one and different, but his oneness is stressed by the impersonalists which is distinct from our philosophy.
Our philosophy of Krishna's oneness & difference is explained in the 9th ch, 4th verse of B.G. in which it is clearly stated that Krishna is one by distribution of his diverse energies.
When Krishna controls his diverse energies he does not become impersonal. If Kirtanananda believes in one-Self, why does he stress the vibration & not the words?
Why does he find difference in vibration & words?
If he believes in one there is no difference between vibration & words?
And why shouldn't one be attached to the chanting?
All this means that he has no clear idea & he is talking nonsense.
If Kirtanananda does not understand this philosophy then better he should stop speaking nonsense.
I can understand his designs but I cannot help because I am far away from the place."
(Prabhupada Letter to Rayrama, 16th October, 1967)
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