[PADA: Sheesh pilgrims! We are gaining more momentum on going after the bogus ISKCON GBC's "enforced cult ritualistic worship of sexual predators as messiahs" project. I am also getting many nice private messages on this topic from people who are fearful of the GBC goonda process, or they do not want their abuse to be known to the public etc. Nice letter from an ex-kuli who told me, without your help, I would have committed suicide a long time ago. In any case, more of the natives are getting restless. Who can blame them? ys pd]
PADA: angel108b@yahoo.com
JND: Homosexual predator Umapati Swami is back in Mayapur posing as a fake guru and renounced sannyasi. Wake up everyone, and realize the truth, that ISKCON has been infiltrated by asuric forces!
HF: Does he perform bhakti like 16 rounds, dietary restrictions etc.? Obviously he is breaking the principle of illicit sex but maybe he has some good qualities too IDK. He's probably a jerk I'm just curious.
PD: He has to admit what he has done to those victims .. if he has not.. then no amount maha mantra will save him.
AS: This JND gets paid by asuras to speak ill of others. He knows half stories and poses to be self realised soul. Sits and does nothing for Srila Prabhupada, just criticises and criticises!!
JD: ...here we go again!
JND: People should take note how you are attacked if you point out a pervert or a pedophile in ISKCON. To what lengths they will go to protect pedophiles and vilify anyone who speaks against them.
BC: This ISKCON that now stands is not the ISKCON of Srila Prabhupada, and it is disgusting.
JND: Notice not one person can come and say Umapati Swami doesn't assault people. All they can say is "you shouldn't say this in public, it will bring bad name." Who cares about your bad name. Let one person come forward and say Umapati Swami isn't a predator, I dare you. None of these people would ever dare say any of this to my face because they do not have the courage.
PADA: Umapati came from the same Mott Street gang which included Kirtanananda. They were never able to give up their old ways. The problem is, the other "sannyasis" kicked us out when we complained about the homosexuality, the molesting, the crimes etc. and they even orchestrated murders to silence us. They are protecting one another. ys pd
JJ: FYI : https://iskconnews.org/gbc-releases-statement-re-umapati.../
PADA: They often "release a statement," but keep the bad guys, hee hee. Yes, as a matter of fact our sum total of the demigods acharyas have been doing the hokey pokey, any questions?
As soon as the GBC's began preaching that Krishna's acharyas are often debauchees, drug addicts and criminals in the early 1980s, I told them my kids will never attend your schools. My kids will not be taught that God's successors are often illicit sex deviants and criminals. And that is why I kept my kids out of their program and got them to understand that Srila Prabhupada is our acharya. ys pd
VA: You're so fortunate you came along at a time when abuses were being exposed. In the early days, a lot of devotees saw everything with rose colored glasses. I for one thought that if you came to this movement you had already reached a certain point in your spiritual life.. a place where you would never commit the crimes that were carried out ... my stupidity
PADA: I saw a giant 3 ft. photo of Jayatirtha's head in the Bhaktivedanta manor gurukula in 1979. That is when I said my kids will never attend this school, and a few months later the gang of four gurus booted me out of ISKCON. First, they offered to make me the guru of Ireland if I would "work with them." Hee hee. Jayatirtha was one of them, and his people later on confronted me and wanted to beat me to death probably in Berkeley here, and they would have, except a few people were with me and they said, you Jayatirtha guys out number us over 100 to us few, but keep in mind, we have got the guns. That is how I survived that one. ys pd
PADA: When me and Sulochan tried to expose the molesting, the New Vrndavana gangsters all combined to come after us. Umapati, Radhanath, Kuladri, Kirtanananda, Tapah Punjah, Tirtha, and others. After the murder, their group used to go and give special "kirtans" for "the pure warrior for Krishna" Tritha in jail, and they gave him sannyasa there as well. Umapati was one of the leaders of the group going to the jail to glorify that murderer. I would have been murdered by them as well, because their hit man had a note with the licence number of my vehicle when he was arrested. The FBI said "you are next." Of course after that, the police arrested the people who were chasing me with baseball bats, because they were doing surveillance on me, they knew I was next. Anyway we posted an eye witness account, he was there. ys pd
My Involvement in the Sulochan Murder (Jyotidhama dasa)
RRD: Actually, the way Prabhupada intended ISKCON to end up is with a solid base in Varnashram, which means we would have had our own Ksatriyas to see that the leaders are punished that transgress the rules. That goes for anyone. We are not here to wait for Krishna to take action, He gave us sufficient laws and ways to rectify society. Waiting for Krishna is not one of them.
VA: There were lots of predators within ISKCON chanting their rounds and trying to appear pious, meanwhile committing unspeakable crimes against children, children whom Srila Prabhupada said are actually demigods. These asuras deserve the worst possible punishment, and eventually they will be punished severely.
JD: If everyone thinks like them, the children will all just continue to suffer. No more ostrich mentality! No more facilitating nonsense, glorifying inhuman behavior, promoting / recycling criminals in saffron... this has to stop.
VA: These are soul destroying atrocities against innocent children, crimes the victims may never recover from in this lifetime.
SB: True!! krsna shall punish all sinners in any iskcon in the universe .
JJ: Their chanting is sending them to hell ....
JND: LOL. You have also been defending these pedophile lovers. You are the full problem within ISKCON. You allow these pedophiles to act and then you protect them. And why are you posting from a fake profile with 5 friends? Be a man and post under your own name. And you immediately liked your own comment from another fake profile. What type of psycho things are going on in your head that you would use multiple fake profiles to reply to a facebook post?
RRD: Of course, JND does nothing for Prabhupada Lol AS, in your face, He built 2 big Vaisnav temples in honour of Krishna and Srila Prabhupada in India. So you dnt really know crap.
JD: Better to criticize a criminal than to excuse him in the name of false respect and pseudo devotion...
UD Dasi: You have no idea what wonderful service he does.
SB: JND Stop this for Christ's sake blaspheming about the Brand name ISKCON. Can we get mature and think all this happening becoz of Krsna's Direction? Start promoting iskcon world wide as a good brand regardless of internal enviousness. By this open forum discussion we are just degrading ourselves. Please think of the universe, the infinite, and there are billions of iskcons in different planets. Lets not see the problem at micro level. Just stop the discussion of which ever iskcon, either madhu pandits ... either gbcs, either moon planet's and iskcon gets its brand name UP Bro!!
Promote iskcon, get devotees in ur temple ... its krsna who decides which devotees to be sent at which temple ....not us... it depends on devotee's mood and behaviour to join exact temple..... please try understand what i am try to put across....
I was with iskcon too at hare krsna hill ... we had lots internal stuff too ... which needs to kept confidential as we shall promote iskcon's brand name of Srila Prabhupad. Let it not get Dirty in any way please. I carry the good name of MPD to outsiders without discussing the few internal issues. ISKCON is an institution and all do not join as sanyasis. Student will rise up fail ... rise up fail .... sanyasis also are human .... not all fall .. sanyasis are the principal of college ...some time principle may fall ... as many other rishis have fallen....
Will u blaspheme Vishamitra? Dont do it! U get immense karma and Disease. Just prase to krsna in ur temple, please bring them up as good soul.
[PADA: Acharyas are human beings who fail? This is called the mad elephant offense, to consider the acharyas are ordinary fallen men. And this is also what bank robbers say sometimes, "God wanted me to rob this bank." Its God's will that crimes are going on, because God is a person who wants to promote crimes? Then people wonder why many of the gurukulis who have been abused are rejecting the religion? Because they are being told that "its your karma" "its God's will" that you are being abused. That is blaming God for the crimes of demoniac people. And what does Vishamrita have to do with a sexual predator messiah's club?]
JND: You are retarded. You think kids are getting molested because of "Krishna's direction"? This retarded guy "SB" thinks I am from ISKCON Bangalore, uses foul language and then threatens to "expose" the crimes at ISKCON Bangalore if I don't keep quiet. What type of jokers are these people?
CV: AS so if YOU know more then show evidence instead of spreading false rumours!!
MC: AS defending molesters and Vaishnava aparadhis is mad elephant offense, its mudha.
VA: AS who are you that you would say such a thing? Crawl out of your hole so we can see who you are. JND doesn't need to justify anything ... his good works say it all.
ND Dasi: SB! It is our duty to expose these asuras and kick these bloody demons out. It would be better to be kicked out of the present ISKCON, So much corruption. Sincere devotees banned, but murderers and child molesters allowed to stay, and to be posing as leaders and gurus. You should expose these demons. Srila Prabhupada would not want us to be quiet and let them continue to harm more kids. If we continue to keep quiet we will end up like the catholic church. Demons OUT!!! Grow up and wake up.
MR: I know, I was living in Mayapur for almost 10yrs, being a secretary to Mayapur's Co-Directors, I know so much dirt firsthand. What others here are saying, is only a few teeny percent % of what I know. So Mr A.S., I know it is very hard to accept and face the truth. My advice to you, better to accept it ASAP. There are pedophiles, criminals, etc.. walking in vaishnava dress. Most of the land around Mayapur is The Land of Sin, the way it was purchased and obtained, etc, etc.. what to speak of book changing, stealing mayapur money, fake sanyasis with girlfriends, sanyas gurus glorifying murderers, etc, etc..I really dont know, it seems we follow different sampradayas, reading different books, are some are illiterate or only God knows what is in peoples head. It seems to me that Sanyas robe is so powerful making people hypnotized just seeing it, anyway, sad thing nobody was ever responsible for anything, and victims always suffer the most.
MC: Its like “birds of the same feather flock together”...a veritable viper’s nest of the worst kind of enablers... sent by kali and his leading disciples... the satanic secret societies and cults...may Lord Krishna protect your work prabhu
PADA: Prabhavishnu is also getting his feet washed again etc.
JND: ISKCON followers are in denial that 90% of their leaders are corrupt and fallen. They do not want to accept this unpleasant reality. ISKCON will not improve until this truth is accepted. Saying this is not hatred of ISKCON.
SA: JND can you list the 10% you count as not fallen and corrupt? Im keeping my fingers crossed for Kadamba Kanana Swami Maharaja and Radhantha Swami Maharaja.
JND: I don't know them personally and hope you are right. Everyone will have to figure it out themselves ultimately. As a whole, the GBC has always covered for criminals and protected them. So there is definately a lot of rot in there
SA: Not to be offensive Prabhu, i am trying to hear your claim. You list 90/10% and with that statistic i am seeking the crystal clear, greater information surrounding it. I am a father of five so this convo may be important. I feel you should reveal, if time and circumstances allow, the 10%. That would be an authentic Vaishnava fashion imo. By glorifying the 10% the other 90% are revealed as shadows. Otherwise, it seems a sweeping condemnation.
MJ: They will take you back to godhead 1000%!! hahahahaha
MC: If the GBC does not tackle this problem and gives refuge to degenerate criminals and dharma-killers (book changers and policy changers), they are part of the problem and are complicit...
N Dasi: Radhanath Swami is a helper of murder and a supporter of child abuse predators. Read 'Killing For Krishna'. Watch this YouTube till the end. Very important to have a bonafide Guru, otherwise they will take their disciples to hell with them. Sorry to be the messenger of bad news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QatUU7XLxco&t=40s
YOUTUBE.COM
Jvalamukhi - testimony…
VA: Don't leave your children unprotected on their own in the gurukula...just like residential schools, there has been too much abuse going on.... keep them close to to you and guide them in their Krsna consciousness and satvik practices.... if they are given love, they won't veer far from the path... your children are worth more than a roll of the dice.
SA: I would never even go to a place where my kids couldn't be left unattended. This information is very troubling to me. I did not have time to watch the entire Jvalamukhi video currently. My heart breaks for everyone that has had these experiences in pursuit of Krishna Consciousness. My entire experience within ISKCON has been transformative to say the least, completely antithetical to all these negative experiences. I don't really know what to do anymore.
I guess in light of such terrible crimes / transgressions the ten percent of good leaders would be unmentionable. Thank you all for your insights. After stumbling on the Kirtananda situation from long ago i thought of Iskcon as reformed. The original revelations crushed my tender creeper of Bhakti before. I don't really know how to take association of the greater pool of Devotees. I know of many good Devotees here and few missionaries. I am going to get land, grow more crops, and personally protect cows.
I am naive. Is naviety and ignorance going to prevent them from incurring sinful reactions when they adamantly defend Demons, Masonic temple builders, and all other things you have mentioned? I feel stupid because i am stupid, but i have to ask, how can anything good come from an organization whose entire leadership is Demoniac? Also, where to go from here?
I also understood that the Guru especially should be worshipped like the Lord himself. Also the other Devotees should be worshipped... in fact that is more potent than worshipping the Supreme Lord himself, according to Srila Prabhupada. If we can't worship the leaders of ISKCON how could we participate on any level? Please instruct.
Back in the saddle again
JND: Homosexual predator Umapati Swami is back in Mayapur posing as a fake guru and renounced sannyasi. Wake up everyone, and realize the truth, that ISKCON has been infiltrated by asuric forces!
HF: Does he perform bhakti like 16 rounds, dietary restrictions etc.? Obviously he is breaking the principle of illicit sex but maybe he has some good qualities too IDK. He's probably a jerk I'm just curious.
PD: He has to admit what he has done to those victims .. if he has not.. then no amount maha mantra will save him.
AS: This JND gets paid by asuras to speak ill of others. He knows half stories and poses to be self realised soul. Sits and does nothing for Srila Prabhupada, just criticises and criticises!!
JD: ...here we go again!
JND: People should take note how you are attacked if you point out a pervert or a pedophile in ISKCON. To what lengths they will go to protect pedophiles and vilify anyone who speaks against them.
BC: This ISKCON that now stands is not the ISKCON of Srila Prabhupada, and it is disgusting.
JND: Notice not one person can come and say Umapati Swami doesn't assault people. All they can say is "you shouldn't say this in public, it will bring bad name." Who cares about your bad name. Let one person come forward and say Umapati Swami isn't a predator, I dare you. None of these people would ever dare say any of this to my face because they do not have the courage.
PADA: Umapati came from the same Mott Street gang which included Kirtanananda. They were never able to give up their old ways. The problem is, the other "sannyasis" kicked us out when we complained about the homosexuality, the molesting, the crimes etc. and they even orchestrated murders to silence us. They are protecting one another. ys pd
JJ: FYI : https://iskconnews.org/gbc-releases-statement-re-umapati.../
PADA: They often "release a statement," but keep the bad guys, hee hee. Yes, as a matter of fact our sum total of the demigods acharyas have been doing the hokey pokey, any questions?
As soon as the GBC's began preaching that Krishna's acharyas are often debauchees, drug addicts and criminals in the early 1980s, I told them my kids will never attend your schools. My kids will not be taught that God's successors are often illicit sex deviants and criminals. And that is why I kept my kids out of their program and got them to understand that Srila Prabhupada is our acharya. ys pd
VA: You're so fortunate you came along at a time when abuses were being exposed. In the early days, a lot of devotees saw everything with rose colored glasses. I for one thought that if you came to this movement you had already reached a certain point in your spiritual life.. a place where you would never commit the crimes that were carried out ... my stupidity
PADA: I saw a giant 3 ft. photo of Jayatirtha's head in the Bhaktivedanta manor gurukula in 1979. That is when I said my kids will never attend this school, and a few months later the gang of four gurus booted me out of ISKCON. First, they offered to make me the guru of Ireland if I would "work with them." Hee hee. Jayatirtha was one of them, and his people later on confronted me and wanted to beat me to death probably in Berkeley here, and they would have, except a few people were with me and they said, you Jayatirtha guys out number us over 100 to us few, but keep in mind, we have got the guns. That is how I survived that one. ys pd
MS: ISKON is a church based org ..... It is very far away from worshipping Sri Krishna. Does anyone have the qualities of Radha, Meera or Gopikas or even the acceptance of Barbarik, Bhisma, Kunti, Panchali, Uddhava or Pandavas? Or at least the arrogance of Ashwathama or Karna?
DKD: Its strange no of the victims starts a criminal case ...
PADA: This is a common question we get all the time. All sorts of deviations, reported embezzling funds for personal opulent lifestyles, crimes, molesting, murders and who knows what, but why aren't the rank and file publicly protesting, and more importantly, reporting the crimes, suing the leaders etc.?
JND: The Umapati victims were supposedly mostly from China and if so, can't even declare themselves belonging to this group without getting arrested. As always they would get no encouragement from ISKCON to file criminal cases anyway. In 50 years no criminal case ever filed by ISKCON against a child molester or rapist? They always use heavy tactics to make the victims remain silent. There is a reason pedophiles target certain Asian countries too, because they know the chance of being caught or convicted are so low.
DKD: Its strange no of the victims starts a criminal case ...
PADA: This is a common question we get all the time. All sorts of deviations, reported embezzling funds for personal opulent lifestyles, crimes, molesting, murders and who knows what, but why aren't the rank and file publicly protesting, and more importantly, reporting the crimes, suing the leaders etc.?
JND: The Umapati victims were supposedly mostly from China and if so, can't even declare themselves belonging to this group without getting arrested. As always they would get no encouragement from ISKCON to file criminal cases anyway. In 50 years no criminal case ever filed by ISKCON against a child molester or rapist? They always use heavy tactics to make the victims remain silent. There is a reason pedophiles target certain Asian countries too, because they know the chance of being caught or convicted are so low.
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My Involvement in the Sulochan Murder (Jyotidhama dasa)
RRD: Actually, the way Prabhupada intended ISKCON to end up is with a solid base in Varnashram, which means we would have had our own Ksatriyas to see that the leaders are punished that transgress the rules. That goes for anyone. We are not here to wait for Krishna to take action, He gave us sufficient laws and ways to rectify society. Waiting for Krishna is not one of them.
VA: There were lots of predators within ISKCON chanting their rounds and trying to appear pious, meanwhile committing unspeakable crimes against children, children whom Srila Prabhupada said are actually demigods. These asuras deserve the worst possible punishment, and eventually they will be punished severely.
JD: If everyone thinks like them, the children will all just continue to suffer. No more ostrich mentality! No more facilitating nonsense, glorifying inhuman behavior, promoting / recycling criminals in saffron... this has to stop.
VA: These are soul destroying atrocities against innocent children, crimes the victims may never recover from in this lifetime.
SB: True!! krsna shall punish all sinners in any iskcon in the universe .
JJ: Their chanting is sending them to hell ....
JND: LOL. You have also been defending these pedophile lovers. You are the full problem within ISKCON. You allow these pedophiles to act and then you protect them. And why are you posting from a fake profile with 5 friends? Be a man and post under your own name. And you immediately liked your own comment from another fake profile. What type of psycho things are going on in your head that you would use multiple fake profiles to reply to a facebook post?
RRD: Of course, JND does nothing for Prabhupada Lol AS, in your face, He built 2 big Vaisnav temples in honour of Krishna and Srila Prabhupada in India. So you dnt really know crap.
JD: Better to criticize a criminal than to excuse him in the name of false respect and pseudo devotion...
UD Dasi: You have no idea what wonderful service he does.
SB: JND Stop this for Christ's sake blaspheming about the Brand name ISKCON. Can we get mature and think all this happening becoz of Krsna's Direction? Start promoting iskcon world wide as a good brand regardless of internal enviousness. By this open forum discussion we are just degrading ourselves. Please think of the universe, the infinite, and there are billions of iskcons in different planets. Lets not see the problem at micro level. Just stop the discussion of which ever iskcon, either madhu pandits ... either gbcs, either moon planet's and iskcon gets its brand name UP Bro!!
Promote iskcon, get devotees in ur temple ... its krsna who decides which devotees to be sent at which temple ....not us... it depends on devotee's mood and behaviour to join exact temple..... please try understand what i am try to put across....
I was with iskcon too at hare krsna hill ... we had lots internal stuff too ... which needs to kept confidential as we shall promote iskcon's brand name of Srila Prabhupad. Let it not get Dirty in any way please. I carry the good name of MPD to outsiders without discussing the few internal issues. ISKCON is an institution and all do not join as sanyasis. Student will rise up fail ... rise up fail .... sanyasis also are human .... not all fall .. sanyasis are the principal of college ...some time principle may fall ... as many other rishis have fallen....
Will u blaspheme Vishamitra? Dont do it! U get immense karma and Disease. Just prase to krsna in ur temple, please bring them up as good soul.
[PADA: Acharyas are human beings who fail? This is called the mad elephant offense, to consider the acharyas are ordinary fallen men. And this is also what bank robbers say sometimes, "God wanted me to rob this bank." Its God's will that crimes are going on, because God is a person who wants to promote crimes? Then people wonder why many of the gurukulis who have been abused are rejecting the religion? Because they are being told that "its your karma" "its God's will" that you are being abused. That is blaming God for the crimes of demoniac people. And what does Vishamrita have to do with a sexual predator messiah's club?]
JND: You are retarded. You think kids are getting molested because of "Krishna's direction"? This retarded guy "SB" thinks I am from ISKCON Bangalore, uses foul language and then threatens to "expose" the crimes at ISKCON Bangalore if I don't keep quiet. What type of jokers are these people?
CV: AS so if YOU know more then show evidence instead of spreading false rumours!!
MC: AS defending molesters and Vaishnava aparadhis is mad elephant offense, its mudha.
VA: AS who are you that you would say such a thing? Crawl out of your hole so we can see who you are. JND doesn't need to justify anything ... his good works say it all.
ND Dasi: SB! It is our duty to expose these asuras and kick these bloody demons out. It would be better to be kicked out of the present ISKCON, So much corruption. Sincere devotees banned, but murderers and child molesters allowed to stay, and to be posing as leaders and gurus. You should expose these demons. Srila Prabhupada would not want us to be quiet and let them continue to harm more kids. If we continue to keep quiet we will end up like the catholic church. Demons OUT!!! Grow up and wake up.
MR: I know, I was living in Mayapur for almost 10yrs, being a secretary to Mayapur's Co-Directors, I know so much dirt firsthand. What others here are saying, is only a few teeny percent % of what I know. So Mr A.S., I know it is very hard to accept and face the truth. My advice to you, better to accept it ASAP. There are pedophiles, criminals, etc.. walking in vaishnava dress. Most of the land around Mayapur is The Land of Sin, the way it was purchased and obtained, etc, etc.. what to speak of book changing, stealing mayapur money, fake sanyasis with girlfriends, sanyas gurus glorifying murderers, etc, etc..I really dont know, it seems we follow different sampradayas, reading different books, are some are illiterate or only God knows what is in peoples head. It seems to me that Sanyas robe is so powerful making people hypnotized just seeing it, anyway, sad thing nobody was ever responsible for anything, and victims always suffer the most.
MC: Its like “birds of the same feather flock together”...a veritable viper’s nest of the worst kind of enablers... sent by kali and his leading disciples... the satanic secret societies and cults...may Lord Krishna protect your work prabhu
PADA: Prabhavishnu is also getting his feet washed again etc.
JND: ISKCON followers are in denial that 90% of their leaders are corrupt and fallen. They do not want to accept this unpleasant reality. ISKCON will not improve until this truth is accepted. Saying this is not hatred of ISKCON.
SA: JND can you list the 10% you count as not fallen and corrupt? Im keeping my fingers crossed for Kadamba Kanana Swami Maharaja and Radhantha Swami Maharaja.
JND: I don't know them personally and hope you are right. Everyone will have to figure it out themselves ultimately. As a whole, the GBC has always covered for criminals and protected them. So there is definately a lot of rot in there
SA: Not to be offensive Prabhu, i am trying to hear your claim. You list 90/10% and with that statistic i am seeking the crystal clear, greater information surrounding it. I am a father of five so this convo may be important. I feel you should reveal, if time and circumstances allow, the 10%. That would be an authentic Vaishnava fashion imo. By glorifying the 10% the other 90% are revealed as shadows. Otherwise, it seems a sweeping condemnation.
MJ: They will take you back to godhead 1000%!! hahahahaha
MC: If the GBC does not tackle this problem and gives refuge to degenerate criminals and dharma-killers (book changers and policy changers), they are part of the problem and are complicit...
N Dasi: Radhanath Swami is a helper of murder and a supporter of child abuse predators. Read 'Killing For Krishna'. Watch this YouTube till the end. Very important to have a bonafide Guru, otherwise they will take their disciples to hell with them. Sorry to be the messenger of bad news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QatUU7XLxco&t=40s
YOUTUBE.COM
Jvalamukhi - testimony…
VA: Don't leave your children unprotected on their own in the gurukula...just like residential schools, there has been too much abuse going on.... keep them close to to you and guide them in their Krsna consciousness and satvik practices.... if they are given love, they won't veer far from the path... your children are worth more than a roll of the dice.
SA: I would never even go to a place where my kids couldn't be left unattended. This information is very troubling to me. I did not have time to watch the entire Jvalamukhi video currently. My heart breaks for everyone that has had these experiences in pursuit of Krishna Consciousness. My entire experience within ISKCON has been transformative to say the least, completely antithetical to all these negative experiences. I don't really know what to do anymore.
I guess in light of such terrible crimes / transgressions the ten percent of good leaders would be unmentionable. Thank you all for your insights. After stumbling on the Kirtananda situation from long ago i thought of Iskcon as reformed. The original revelations crushed my tender creeper of Bhakti before. I don't really know how to take association of the greater pool of Devotees. I know of many good Devotees here and few missionaries. I am going to get land, grow more crops, and personally protect cows.
I also understood that the Guru especially should be worshipped like the Lord himself. Also the other Devotees should be worshipped... in fact that is more potent than worshipping the Supreme Lord himself, according to Srila Prabhupada. If we can't worship the leaders of ISKCON how could we participate on any level? Please instruct.
PADA: The leader of ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada. The problem is that the GBC says you can have any guru you want, as long as its not Prabhupada. That is why I pulled my kids, I have them accepting Prabhupada as their guru. This is another form of child abuse, to force them to worship deviants as their acharyas. ys pd
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This is the same problem we have had with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Pancali / HKC Jaipur folks.
1) They are great friends with Sanat, the person who told me he knew ALL the kids were getting molested where his wife was a teacher in Satsvarupa's gurukula. They also knew this was part of an overall worldwide webs and nests molesting program, because one of the teen aged molesters had been trained in another GBC area. So they covered it up, did not report this to the police or notify the other ISKCON parents worldwide that this was going on. They wanted to cover all this up, and save the GBC's leaders of that school like Satsvarupa from prosecution. And keep the molesting going?
2) As soon as they found out that hundreds of kids were being pulled out of the GBC's molesting program, and the suicides epidemic was dropping off due to the Windle Turley lawsuit, they were infuriated that the program they were enabling by their silence was being exposed and people were being saved from their agenda. Then these people all told me we have to listen to Bhakta das, a big cheer leader of the GBC's molester messiah's program. What kind of people are doing the happy dance when they find out that children are being abused, and some are committing suicide after being abused? Sanaka is right, this is a conspiracy of silence. Its worse than that, they actively oppose exposing this agenda.
3) Now Prahlad says he knows of a bogus school in India where molesting has been going on for decades, and he can get that verified by the neighbors of that school, and parents from that school. Yet, he and / or his HKC Jaipur pals never go there to help the situation? He never stops there when he visits India to organize them to have that reported that to the police?
Or is he saying India is a place where neighbors and parents allow molesting left, right and center, and for decades? Is he attacking India's culture? Or what? Prahlad claims all kinds of local people know about molesting in their local school, and its not being countered, or even reported to the police? Why would Prahlad attack India's culture as one that acquiesces to child abuse?
No, there is no place where known child abuse is being allowed, he is making this up in order to rationalize their own cover up process. Even in the USA known child abuse in a school results in stern counter measures, and / or police reports, and / or lawsuits. Prahlad is talking about his own GBC clone-head program which covers up for molesting, not the culture of India. Even the Western culture of USA does not allow known child molesting to continue.
And now he and his friend Michael Keith Powell are saying, we need to support child molesting cover ups like Sanat, and help Prahlad complain about people who expose their agenda. We need to do the happy dance when we find molesting is going on, and suicides of children is also going on? We need to glorify the molester cover ups program leaders like Sanat? We need to promote the Bhakta das cheer leaders of the GBC agenda, then people wonder why the gurukula children (and the mass of general public) have a bad impression of the religion? ys pd
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This is the same problem we have had with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Krishna Kirtan / Janardan / Pancali / HKC Jaipur folks.
1) They are great friends with Sanat, the person who told me he knew ALL the kids were getting molested where his wife was a teacher in Satsvarupa's gurukula. They also knew this was part of an overall worldwide webs and nests molesting program, because one of the teen aged molesters had been trained in another GBC area. So they covered it up, did not report this to the police or notify the other ISKCON parents worldwide that this was going on. They wanted to cover all this up, and save the GBC's leaders of that school like Satsvarupa from prosecution. And keep the molesting going?
2) As soon as they found out that hundreds of kids were being pulled out of the GBC's molesting program, and the suicides epidemic was dropping off due to the Windle Turley lawsuit, they were infuriated that the program they were enabling by their silence was being exposed and people were being saved from their agenda. Then these people all told me we have to listen to Bhakta das, a big cheer leader of the GBC's molester messiah's program. What kind of people are doing the happy dance when they find out that children are being abused, and some are committing suicide after being abused? Sanaka is right, this is a conspiracy of silence. Its worse than that, they actively oppose exposing this agenda.
3) Now Prahlad says he knows of a bogus school in India where molesting has been going on for decades, and he can get that verified by the neighbors of that school, and parents from that school. Yet, he and / or his HKC Jaipur pals never go there to help the situation? He never stops there when he visits India to organize them to have that reported that to the police?
Or is he saying India is a place where neighbors and parents allow molesting left, right and center, and for decades? Is he attacking India's culture? Or what? Prahlad claims all kinds of local people know about molesting in their local school, and its not being countered, or even reported to the police? Why would Prahlad attack India's culture as one that acquiesces to child abuse?
No, there is no place where known child abuse is being allowed, he is making this up in order to rationalize their own cover up process. Even in the USA known child abuse in a school results in stern counter measures, and / or police reports, and / or lawsuits. Prahlad is talking about his own GBC clone-head program which covers up for molesting, not the culture of India. Even the Western culture of USA does not allow known child molesting to continue.
And now he and his friend Michael Keith Powell are saying, we need to support child molesting cover ups like Sanat, and help Prahlad complain about people who expose their agenda. We need to do the happy dance when we find molesting is going on, and suicides of children is also going on? We need to glorify the molester cover ups program leaders like Sanat? We need to promote the Bhakta das cheer leaders of the GBC agenda, then people wonder why the gurukula children (and the mass of general public) have a bad impression of the religion? ys pd
NM (ex-kuli): To those people posting in support of this man and people like him, as a Gurukula veteran, I find your words and attitude so disappointing, completely disgusting and deeply hurtful. It was your head-in-the-sand attitude that allowed us to be abused, for decades, and it continues to allow the abuse today. It is your attitude that allowed and still allows our mothers and sisters to be abused. It is your attitude that allowed the abuses to be hidden and covered up. It is your attitude that allowed the perpetrators to continue on with business as usual. Stop playing the aparadh card. It is NOT aparadh to call a liar a liar, or a cheater a cheater. It IS aparadh to allow such people to go on committing their abuses, it IS aparadh to defend them when their actions are exposed to the harsh light of day, and it most definitely IS aparadh to attack those who reveal the truth.
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yep, agreed. Head in the sand, sums the whole thing. Of course a lot of these people did not merely have their head in the sand, they actively came after us to shut us down or even, to kill us. ys pd]