Cancer / Apology Not Accepted / Sridhar's Matha Meltdown

Yasoda and Child Krishna

Art by PADA

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Prabhupad on cancer :::

You'll find out, those who are strictly on this line, they never suffer from cancer or any disease.

Morning Walk -- May 4, 1973, Los Angeles:

Prabhupad :: They are creating causes of cancer disease and then making research and taking Nobel Prize. How foolish society it is, this. Why you create the cause of cancer disease? You accept these four principles of life—no meat-eating, no intoxication, no illicit sex—there will be no cancer. There will be no cancer. You find out, those who are strictly on this line, they never suffer from cancer or any disease.

Morning Walk -- May 4, 1973, Los Angeles:

[PADA: Yep, devotees are getting cancer left, right and center ... something is wrong pilgrims! And then we have the idiots writing to PADA, "Oh you need to quit mentioning cancer." OK, but we are just picking up on public posted stories, this is no secret. Of course not mentioning child abuse, cancer, etc. will make it go away. Ummm, nope.]

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Apology Not Accepted

DH: Do you need someone to make up your own mind about all the child abuse ... or have they blinded you also? Here's my question, where do we "draw the line" between insanity and madness ... and the victims! Should I tell you what to think since you've been misled and lied to so much you've gone deaf and blind?!? 

GP: Part C. Apology to Dhanurdhara Swami,

The mind boggles - to put it politely - why does the gbc need to apologise to someone for bringing the society into disrepute and tormenting its little children? Is that even normal? We apologize to those who torment our society's children. Why are they bowing down to this man? Maybe he has some thing even worse dirt on them, or do they have a better answer? You tortured our children and we are sorry we chastised you for that.

GG: Yeah Anuttama always acts like the senile old man who has no idea, but he is the person getting all the reports isn't it. He knows more than we know? And maybe, so does Jayapataka, Hari Sauri, the whole lot of them. 

DH: Hell no it's not normal, IT IS A CULT OF CHILD MOLESTERS!! And they even worship CHILD MOLESTERS. 

MR: The GBC is just a club of people coming together and protecting their own interests and control system. If they were really honest and sympathetic towards all the suffering and abuses that many children went through for many years, they would have done something ... a long time ago.

Practically speaking these guys have done nothing,... And actually, even worse, they have protected and supported Lokanath swami, another abuser. There isn't much hope from Iskcon leaders. I think the only way is to keep exposing them publicly as much as possible; in this way, may be due to fear of being exposed, and not out of compassion, they will feel forced to act.

UP: Agree. Go for it!

VCD: Thank you for your bold and articulate letter KD.

DH: Their "deepest and most heartfelt apology"...I wish ohh I wish I had 5 minutes with each one ... so I could show them my most heartfelt emotions! It would be a favor to mankind when they are finally all known to be "guilty as charged." 

THEY ALL ARE GUILTY, GBC, SO CALLED "GURUS" all of them, because if a child is abused and it's not reported then those who didn't report are just as guilty ... if not more so than the actual abuser! How can any sane person support iskcon knowing all of this?!?! I'm embarrassed but I'm much more sorry for the victims!

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RC: The Solidarity of the Hare Krishna Movement is what can bring about change in Iskcon and not simply blind hope! Take a stand in your community and protest for change! Lord Rama created solidarity with the Vanaras to transform the tyranny of Ravan even with all the troubles that arose. 

There is hope only if devotees stand up on social media and in their communities in solidarity to make the needed changes in Iskcon against the wealthy few dictators! Hope doesnt move mountains, solidarity and unity of purpose does!

Stand up and protest the religious and human rights violations perpetuated by the so called guru system in ISKCON! Will we let injustice and abuse continue with our children and new devotees? Will we simply let the spiritual cancer grow and destroy the Bhakti Society?

Educate yourself and encourage whistle blowers so that the devotees can be saved from offensive tyranny and narcissistic leaders ruining Srila Prabhupad's Legacy. Do we want Prabhupad's name being smeared because of a few false disciples controlling the narrative?

Devotees matter! Gurukulis matter! Change is possible! Jai Sri Ram! Jai Hanuman! Jai Srila Prabhupad! All glories to the Hare Krishna Movement!

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SRIDHARA MAHARAJA MATH MELTDOWN

PADA: Oh oh, trouble in self appointed guru land.

All Glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

Dandavat Pranams to all worldwide devotees of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math.
Prior to his divine disappearance pastime, during the online initiation of Sharmila Didi from London, Om Visnupad Srila Bhakti Nirmal Acharya Goswami Maharaja said that Bhakti Pavan Janardan and Bhakti Kushum Ashram should only give initiation at their respective places where Gurudev Om Visnupad Srila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaja has appointed them as Acharyas, and also when people specifically want to get initiation from them. 

Srila Acharyadev also said that they should not forcefully go to other places and assert themselves as leaders because Srila Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaja has only chosen Srila Bhakti Nirmal Acharya Goswami Maharaja as the sole successor Acharya. 

Srila Acharyadev further stated that various leaders, with the help of temple managers in London (for example, Saraswati Didi), are spreading all their misconceptions at our Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math, London mission. Thus, they are giving trouble to people who want to receive initiation from Srila Acharyadev. 

The same video is available at https://youtu.be/q0801Nc3DZc

Recently Vishakha Didi and her hypocrite followers were joyfully dancing with Ranajit, who made plans to murder Srila Acharyadev. Ranajit also said that Srila Govinda Maharaja is the root cause of many problems within Math. It must be noted that Vishakha is intimately involved with Saraswati Didi in London temple management. The details of this hypocrisy can be found here: 

https://youtu.be/ER69lof10YI

We have seen after Srila Acharyadev's divine departure, Janaradan and Ashram have established a remote controlled Guru called Bhakti Tilak Niriha, whom Srila Acharyadev never even asked to speak Harikatha at any of the Math's festivals. And now Janardan is in Mayapur with Jayapataka trying to get ISKCON to help his side.

After all these days of becoming guru, B.T. Niriha has never expressed his conception and vision for the worldwide mission of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. Rather, he is always acting like a faithful disciple of B.P. Janardan and B.K. Ashram.

Very recently, when B.T. Niriha led Nabadwip Dham Parikrama with B.P. Janardan and B.K. Ashram, his followers were beaten at three places due to their aggressive and offensive behavior towards Dhamvasis and other Vaishnavas. 

Also recently, Saraswati Didi took B.P. Janardan and B.K. Ashram to our center at VillaGovinda in Italy, where they do not even have Srila Acharyadev on the altar. They were not visiting there for the past 10 years, and now go there after Srila Acharyadev's departure and openly display their closeness with the offenders of Srila Acharyadev. You can find a few photos of this tour at:

https://facebook.com/story.php?

This recording shows where Bhakti Pavan Janardan claims that Srila Acharyadev is not indeed worldwide Acharya of entire Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math: 

https://youtu.be/m9wxJaHp0xc

We all know that after the divine departure of Om Visnupad Srila Bhakti Sundar Govinda Dev-Goswami Maharaja, in a gathering of all worldwide devotees, these hypocritical leaders have declared that Srila Govinda Maharaja has made Srila Acharyadev his successor and Acharya of worldwide Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math. The video of the same can be found at: 

https://youtu.be/sG5pjuYAiHA

It is said that the symptoms age of Kali are quarrel and hypocrisy. Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada has also mentioned that after departure of Sriman Mahaprabhu, Kali had sent his disciples dressed as devotees to mix in devotees' community of Mahaprabhu and practice Karma and Jnana. At present, my humble realization is that these individuals, who claim themselves as senior devotees and leaders of our mission, are nothing but Kali celas or disciples of Kali.
Srila Sridhara Maharaja has left the practical instructions for how to proceed in the bonafide line of Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Math sevaite-president-acharyas, when the present acharya leaves this world without declaring a successor. For those sincere seekers who wish to know more about this, the link to Srila Sridhara Maharaja's 1964 will, imbedded in Srila Acharyadev's 2011 will, is here (starting on page 8/56): 

https://drive.google.com/.../1ZrYmQBKrAB8TcwoclpX6MH.../view

Jay Gurudev.

Humbly,

Bhakti Niskama Shanta

KD Writes Anuttama and GBC (ISKCON)

PADA: A college student recently wrote to PADA asking, "The whole history of ISKCON's 11 gurus looks very complicated. Can you summarize their whole history in shortened form? 

I said, I'll try: "The post 1978 managers of ISKCON wanted to promote the worship of assorted illicit sex with men, women and children deviants, and / or drunks and drug addicts etc. as God's -- gurus, messiahs, Godly saints, and eternal (parampara) successors.

"However, there are no examples of any previous bona fide Krishna devotees promoting the worship of deviants and pedophiles as God's successors. Nor could anyone expect to 'go back home to God' by worshiping deviants and pedophiles. The whole idea that worshiping pedophiles takes a person back to God is -- in short, a big lie. And the result of their idea that ISKCON should worship pedophiles -- and not pure devotees is, ISKCON was sued for mass child abuse and had to declare bankrupted. 

And worse, Srila Prabhupada says anyone who worships deviants and sexual predators as gurus -- has a ticket to go straight to hell. In sum, he never authorized their odious form of worship. It is a criminal hi-jacking of ISKCON." 

ys pd

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 Dear Anuttama Prabhu and GBC Members,

A few weeks ago I urged you to take significant action to support child protection, in light of Vedasara’s courageous testimony. I saw the public statement on ISKCON News: https://iskconnews.org/statement-by-the-na-rgb-re-additional-shocking-testimony-filed-against-anirdesya-vapu-former-bhakti-vidya-purna-swami/

While your "thoughts and prayers" are appreciated, we need you, the leadership, to execute systemic change and demonstrable action. How symbolic is it that the sites of decades-long horrific child abuse occurred in our tradition’s holiest places? The framework and culture set in these places informs the international Krishna society.

I previously requested the following actions (#5 being the most pressing):

1) Annual reporting at GBC meetings of child protection training among zonal GBC and community leaders.

2) Making policy and public statements of protection for adult survivors of child abuse in ISKCON, and their advocates.

3) Fully funding the ISKCON Child Protection Office so they may conduct adequate community training, and investigations by professionals in the field.

4) Apologizing for your institutional affinity to Wexler.

5) Removing all child abusers from influential, leadership positions in Mayapur, including the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium (TOVP).

ISKCON News cites: "Shockingly, this was the third CPO decision involving Anirdesya Vapu." 

"GBC was presented with reports on Wexler investigations EIGHT times! The horrific torture by Wexler and his circle of child abusers was an open secret throughout the international Hare Krishna society; a secret that the Governing Body chose to repeatedly ignore, minimize and deny. Even still ISKCON News is publicly minimizing GBC knowledge and responsibility for allowing him to remain in contact with children for decades upon decades."

The ISKCON News article shared 21-year-old news: “We recall with deep remorse that in 2002, 400 former students of multiple ISKCON schools shared in a legal settlement that provided approximately 14 million dollars (US) for victims of emotional, physical and sexual abuse.” Show us what remorse for abused children looks like!

That “legal settlement” that ISKCON News refers to was actually a bankruptcy. The lawsuit pursued by Gurukula survivors was responded to with a Federal bankruptcy claim by ISKCON. ISKCON not only filed legal bankruptcy, but we can see that it remains ethically, morally, spiritually and, possibly still legally, bankrupt.

The bankruptcy settlement took hundreds of testimonies, now sealed and silenced, protecting the institution and individual abusers from criminal charges. Gurukula survivors were stigmatized and demonized. The legal settlement reinforced the power of the institution and powerlessness of the Gurukulis attempting to be heard, and seek justice.

The “lawsuit” was a massive demonstration of the GBC’s repeated disregard, disrespect and attempt to erase the legacy of Vaikuntha children, as Srila Prabhupad referred to them. ISKCON buried testimonies in exchange for a few thousand dollars for each recipient, while forever protecting certain ISKCON entities from any past child abuse liability. Those who testified received very little individually, aside from the trauma of the legal process. This lawsuit was not a remorseful reconciliation for Gurukula survivors. It is unacceptable for this old news to be reported on as a triumph of ISKCON child protection efforts.

Many Gurukulis that participated in that lawsuit were born when Srila Prabhupada was still on this planet. They have been affiliated with ISKCON by birth or upbringing for as long as the senior members reading this. Yet, they have been repeatedly marginalized, minimized and traumatized, amidst your thoughts and prayers.

We see this in the case of Dhanurdhara, the most named child abuser in the ISKCON bankruptcy settlement.

"As a result of the litigation in Texas, and the 600-plus claims filed in the bankruptcy court, we now have a vast body of information (evidence) that was not available in 1999. Although much was known with respect to allegations of physical and mental child abuse by Dhanurdhara Swami at the Vrindavan gurukula, we now have even more information than we had at that time. Based upon this additional information, it is now unequivocally clear to ISKCON’s legal team that the damage inflicted by Dhanurdhara Swami was significantly greater than that which was known in 1999. In fact, Dhanurdhara Swami is named as an abuser in the bankruptcy claims far more than any other person." 

Amarendra, ISKCON lawyer who worked on the lawsuit for six years

AFTER finding out that Dhanurdhara was the most named child abuser in ISKCON history, the GBC felt it necessary to include a public apology to HIM, the perpetrator of violent, sadistic, and barbaric child abuse, spanning decades.

From the 2007 International GBC meeting minutes:

Part C. Apology to Dhanurdhara Swami

Dear Dhanurdhara Maharaja,

[...]The GBC Body is aware that in the course of its ecclesiastical dealings concerning past child abuse in the society, sometimes the procedures we followed were awkward and took a long time to complete. [...]

The GBC Body is sorry for the difficulties you and your disciples, followers, and friends must have experienced because of these long and cumbersome procedures. We could have done much better, and we sincerely apologize.

We support the decision of the Office of Child Protection in your case, but our procedures should not have added to your burden.

[...] we never wanted you to leave the ISKCON society. We humbly request you again to remain an active member in ISKCON. Not only are we sure that this would be the desire of Srila Prabhupada, but also that it would be the best course of action for you, your disciples, and your followers.

Your servants,

The GBC

Part D. Reconciliation Initiative

[Action Order] The ICOCP and ISKCON Resolve will develop an international plan, in consultation with a broad representation of ISKCON devotees, to address lingering issues concerning past child abuse, including failure of administrative oversight in child protection (emphasis added). The goal will be to promote reconciliation and healing while insuring fairness and integrity in ISKCON’s response to these issues. [...]

313. Apology Letter to Recipients of Compensation from the ISKCON Youth Fund

Resolved: That the following letter of apology, which is being sent to recipients of compensation from the ISKCON Youth Fund on GBC letterhead stationary, be entered into the GBC minutes book as a matter of record:

Dear [Claimant’s name]:

[...] You were a pioneer in ISKCON’s fledgling attempts to establish a Gurukula system to train our children in Krishna Consciousness. Unfortunately, you were also subjected to serious mistreatment and abuse as a result of our failure to properly implement that vision. For this we are very sorry, and we ask you to please accept our deepest and most heartfelt apology.

As members of the Governing Body Commission, past and present, [...]we take full responsibility for the wrongdoings committed in the early years of the ISKCON movement. As leaders, the GBC members were entrusted with properly providing for your care. And during the time that terrible abuses were committed, the leadership of the Society failed in its responsibility to vigilantly provide for your welfare and protect you from all forms of harm and abuse. We are also aware of our failure to provide the quality of care and education that Srila Prabhupada wanted for you, and that you deserved. [...]

Sincerely,

[signed] Bhanu Swami

GBC Chairman

In the above GBC minutes, you, the GBC, chose to first apologize to Dhanurdhara, before the Gurukula survivors. This very mixed and backwards message continues to this day.

According to GBC and CPO policy, Dhanurdhara is not recognized as an ISKCON guru or sannyasi. However, his photo was very recently being worshiped in the flagship ISKCON New York temple: Bhakti Center, on the most auspicious occasion of Gaura Purnima. While ISKCON’s child abuse victims are marginalized, Dhanurdhara’s disciples are flagrantly placing Dhanurdhara’s photo on the altar, while the assembled devotees worship.

There has been a big deal made about the fact that his picture should have been kept private or secret, while his “disciple” performs important congregational public pujari service. This acceptance of the “disciples” but not the guru is really not the truth. The reality is that by normalizing Dhanurdhar’s disciples, there is tacit and sentimental acceptance and support of this false guru.

Dear Anuttama Prabhu, even your good wife, Rukmini Prabhu, who is a legal Director at the Bhakti Center, described Dhanurdhara as His Holiness - “HH” - and specifically mentioning the Bhakti Center recently on her website: https://www.urbandevi.com/lookin-at-true-self-care-with.../

Gurukuli survivors cannot feel at home at ISKCON temples, when they repeatedly see known child abusers worshiped on altars, vyasasanas, and elevated platforms, adorned by garlands and fawning followers. These silent endorsements nullify outward claims of support for child protection.

Known child abusers Bhavananda and Satadhanya are leaders at the heralded Temple of the Vedic Planetarium (TOVP), Mayapur project. Ambarisa Prabhu, the Chairman of the TOVP, sought to override the CPO rulings and restrictions for managerial expediency. He believes that “they have made great effort to reform” based on what? 

He has manipulated Vaisnava sastra to rationalize and overlook the extreme VAISNAVA APARADHA of child sexual abuse. Lokanath was personally escorted from Delhi to headline the first TOVP event, even after the then-GBC Chairman Bhanu Swami requested that the event not involve Lokanath, even in a minor role. Ambarisa Prabhu’s attitude exemplifies the larger culture of ISKCON which has a history of dismissing child abuse by promoting, supporting and even worshiping child abusers.

ISKCON News states: “Anirdesya [...] created an environment of fear that prevented children from speaking out about their abuse.” However, maintaining notorious child sex offenders on the TOVP staff (even if you take them off your public website, as Ambarisa Prabhu has suggested), are some of the ingredients of toxic secrecy and child protection interference that attracts and protects predators. This is how the entire GBC has continued to cultivate fear, silence and abuse within our society for decades.

The ISKCON News statement continued: “with relief, that the Gurukula in Mayapur was converted from a boarding school to a day school in 2022 to promote greater parental involvement and children’s safety.” Specifically, how are parents being supported to be involved in child safety in ISKCON Mayapur?

This message of “relief” that Wexler is gone is unwarranted. The pattern of child abuse within ISKCON does not afford you relief, when vigilance is required to understand how your own Governing Body has shown repeated negligence, ignorance and denial of these matters.

Your relief is unfounded when your Child Protection Office continues to receive less than 10% of their needed operational funding, and continues to be politically repressed and manipulated by the GBC, especially when high-profile offenders are under review.

The statement published by ISKCON News contains a polished statement that simply conveys that acceptable efforts have been made and the status quo is an improvement to the heinous history of children in ISKCON. The status quo is insufficient, as measurable action has been requested repeatedly. Gurukula survivors are not demanding reparations nor retribution; we are demanding accountability and implementation of your own existing Child Protection policies and rulings!

Bhavananda and Satadhanya must be fully removed from influential leadership positions immediately!

How can ISKCON promote a massive fundraising campaign for a massive temple in Mayapur, asking North America, family-based communities to turn their pockets out, while you support child abusers at the helm of the TOVP and child protection is barely funded? Raising money for gold, while you support child abusers is the epitome of Hiranyakashipu culture.

Please reconcile this glaring conflict between your words and actions!

I am extremely concerned about the ongoing lack of support for child protection, especially in pilgrimage places of Vrindavan and Mayapur. GBC members, please make your recent in-depth inquiry into child protection (and systemic abuse problems) in Vrindavan and Mayapur transparent for the awareness and healing of our entire society.

We don’t need polished public relations statements. We need transparency, intentional actions and funding for child protection culture to overtake the historic abuse culture of ISKCON.

Sincerely,

KD 

Appearance Of Lord Rama (SP Lecture)

  

ramadi murtishu kala-niyamena tishthan
nanavataram akarod bhuvaneshu kintu
krishnah svayam samabhavat paramah puman yo
govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami
[Bs. 5.39

This is a verse from Brahma-samhita in which the incarnation of Lord Ramacandra is described. Ramadi. Not only Rama, but there are many other, innumerable incarnations. They are compared with the waves of a river. As the waves of the river or the waves of the ocean cannot be counted, similarly, how many incarnations are there of the Supreme Lord it is not possible to count. But out of them, the principal names are mentioned in the sastras. Therefore, it is said ramadi. Ramadi means Rama and also other, many incarnations. And they are existing. Not that one incarnation appeared and it is finished. No. Not like that. Just like Lord Ramacandra appeared on this planet, say millions of years before. He appeared in the Treta-yuga. Treta-yuga means… We have passed only five thousand years of this age, Kali-yuga. Before that, there was Dvapara-yuga. Dvapara-yuga means 800,000 years. And before that, there was Treta-yuga, which continued for twelve hundred thousands of years. That means at least two million years before Lord Ramacandra appeared on this planet.



So now Lord Ramacandra appeared in Ayodhya. There is a place in Ayodhya, in northern India. There He appeared. As Krishna appeared in Mathura… That is also northern India. And Mathura is about ninety miles down southward from New Delhi. You have heard the name of New Delhi, the capital of India. So Ayodhya is also situated about five hundred miles northeast of New Delhi. So, Lord Ramacandra appeared on this day. Today is called Sri Rama Naumi. On the ninth day of the moon Lord Ramacandra appeared. His father was the king of Ayodhya, and he had three wives. So out of… No. He had two wives. So out of two wives he got four sons. Ramacandra is the eldest son. The life and activities of Lord Ramacandra is… [break] …in a book which is called Ramayana. You have heard the name of Ramayana. Ramayana is also accepted as history. Vedic literatures are histories also.



The Puranas, the Srimad-Bhagavatam, Mahabharata, and Ramayana, they are counted amongst the history. The history of Ramacandra is that His father wanted to retire. Dasaratha, Maharaja Dasaratha. And he decided to enthrone Lord Ramacandra and retire. So, everything was settled, but just one day before, his youngest wife turned the whole thing into different way. Sometimes Maharaja Dasaratha was suffering from what is called whitlow, some trouble in the finger? And this queen served him very nicely, and he was pleased. And he said, “My dear Sarmishtha, if you want some benediction from me, I can give you.” And she replied that “I shall ask you for the benediction when I require it. Not now.” So just one day before Lord Ramacandra’s coronation, she approached her husband Maharaja Dasaratha and reminded him, “My dear husband, you promised to give me some benediction, and I told you that I shall ask you when I require it.” Maharaja Dasaratha said,

“Yes, I remember. You want some benediction just now?” She said, “Yes.” “And what is that?” She said that “Ramacandra cannot be seated on the throne. My son should be coronated, Bharata.” He was surprised. It is a big demand. So, he said, “All right. That will be done. Your son.” Because formerly, the kings… Not only formerly, even up to date, there are many kshatriya kings in India.



They have more than one wife. And they are, naturally, there is rivalry between different wives. So, the same thing. Human psychology is the same. Even two million years ago the same mentality was there, and she asked that “My son should be the king, not Ramacandra.” Ramacandra happened to be the son of Kausalya, the elder queen.



So, Maharaja Dasaratha agreed and called for Ramacandra. “My dear boy, your…” She asked also that… She was very diplomatic. She wanted that Ramacandra go to forest for fourteen years. The idea was political, that “The king may agree to install my son just now. Now, after a few days, this Ramacandra may come with His army, and there may be some difficulty to continue the kingdom.” So, she wanted that Ramacandra should go to the forest and He should not come back till the end of fourteen years from this day. So, Maharaja Dasaratha agreed. Because he was kshatriya. Just see the promise.



A kshatriya never goes back from the promise, never refuses any challenge. If a kshatriya is challenged by somebody, that “I want to fight with you,” oh, he cannot refuse. This is kshatriya spirit. He cannot say that “I am now busy.” Suppose somebody comes to you, that “I want to fight with you.” You may say, “What nonsense fight? I have no time. We are in the temple.” But a kshatriya cannot deny that. A kshatriya at once must accept. “Oh, yes. Come on.” And the weapon should be, if he has no sword or weapon, he should be supplied weapon and fight. This is kshatriya spirit. They were highly charitable and chivalrous and keeping promise and with a great tendency for ruling over. They shall rule over. Administrators. Their business is…



There are different prescription for different classes of men for their livelihood. The brahmanas, they can pull on their livelihood by six ways. Pathana pathana yajana yajana dana pratigraha. Six. And they must be qualified with twelve high qualities. We have many times discussed. Out of that qualification, truthfulness is the first item for a brahmana. A kshatriya may speak lies. That is allowed, because he has to be diplomat, politician. But a brahmana, oh, he’s not allowed to speak lie.



This is the system, caste system or varnasrama system. Everyone was trained. Because these four classes of men are required in a society. For proper upkeep of society, one class of men must be very intelligent, highly qualified, with all good qualities. They must be trained in that way, ideal character so that people can see and follow them. Therefore, brahmanas were taken to so much respect because they’re ideal character, learned, and godly, knows the science, spiritual science. Therefore, they’re held in high estimation and topmost of the society. The next, the administrator, administrative class, kshatriyas.



They are trained how to kill. The kshatriyas were allowed to hunt in the forest to learn the art of killing because that was necessity for the kshatriyas. Kshatriya, if he… If the king, if he finds somebody is doing wrong, he can immediately chop off his head if he likes. The king was so powerful. And it is not that if there was some war, it is not that the president or the king shall sit down comfortably at home and ordinary soldiers will go and lay down their life. No. Formerly, the king or the head of the state, he should first of all go there in the fight. You see in the picture, the chief men of the fighting in the Kurukshetra, both sides, they were arrayed, this side, that side, with their chariot.



Not that the head man, the chief man, or the commander is taking shelter back side, protecting himself, and poor soldiers are (chuckles) thrown into the fighting. No. These were kshatriya spirit. And it is necessary that a class of men should be trained up in that way, kshatriya, fighting men. In India, because this training was there since a very long time, so there is no difficulty in recruiting soldiers there.



There is a class of men, they are very much forward in fighting still. They are called… Just like the Gurkhas, the Nepalese. You have heard the name of Nepal. Still a small state, independent state. They are not within India. Between China and India. The whole Nepal population, they are kshatriyas. Oh, they are very good fighters. Similarly, the Sikhs, the Jatas. There are classes. So, they’re always forward for fighting. And you’ll be surprised that the British Empire was voluntarily liquidated because they lost India. The Britishers, they understood that because we are now losing India, there is no more possibility to keep our eastern empire.



Therefore, they liquidated. Why? Actually, the whole British Empire were being administered or managed by Indian soldiers, these Sikhs and Gurkhas. They extended their empire. After taking their position with India, they extended British Empire in the Middle East and Far East simply by these Sikhs and Gurkha soldiers. They got supremacy on the Burma and everywhere.



So, there is necessity of a class of fighting men. You are finding in your country difficulty in recruiting because the recruiting process is wrong. You are recruiting from persons… You are training persons just like sudras, and you want them to fight. How they can fight? It is not possible. So, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that catur-varnyam maya srishtam guna karma vibhagasah… [Bg. 4.13]. Lord Krishna said that “The four classes or orders of the society, brahmana, kshatriya, vaisya, sudra, is planned by Me according to work and quality.” So, this kshatriya quality men is also required, the brahmana quality of men is also required, the mercantile community, they are also required, and the laborer class, they are also required.



Of course, laborer class, they do not require any training. Laborer class means one who cannot do anything, neither become brahmana, nor become kshatriya, nor become vaisya. That means the last balance of the population, they are called laborer class, sudra. Sudra means one who has no training. Sudra has no samskara. Samskara means training. Everyone is accepted as sudra by birth. Janmana jayate sudra. Janmana means by birth. By birth, everyone is born a sudra, a fourth-class man. It is to be accepted, and actually so. Just like a child, innocent child, what does he know? He has to be trained. Either you train him as a brahmana or train him as a kshatriya or train him as a vaisya. Or otherwise, he is sudra already, born sudra. Sudra has no training. Everyone, the basic principle, basic foreground, everyone, it is accepted sudra. Now, if you train him as a brahmana, then he becomes a brahmana.



If you train him as a kshatriya, then he becomes a kshatriya. If you train him as a vaisya… So, I think this is, this system is very scientific so that if you want help of a really intelligent man or God realized man, it is ready, the brahmana class. Just like if you require the help of a lawyer, we have got so many lawyers. If you require the help of medical man… Because there are trained men. Similarly, the society requires to train a certain class of men to become brahmanas. Just like we are training the Krishna conscious. The Krishna consciousness is meant for the brahmanas.



They are not meant for fighting because they are not being trained for fighting. They have been trained for becoming brahmanas. Who is brahmana? Brahma janati iti brahmana. The four divisions are described like this. Janmana jayate sudrah, everyone is born sudra. That is accepted. Samskarad bhaved dvijah. Now if you train him, never mind in which family he’s born, you have to train him. Just like boys are sent to school for being trained. So, everyone is accepted as sudra, but you now train him. He goes to the guru-griha.



Guru-griha means teacher’s house. Formerly, for being trained, there was no such big scale school and colleges. Every village… Still, fifty years before in India, in every village there was a small school conducted by the brahmana, and the village children would be trained up there. So, he was sent for training. And there was no school fee. The boys will go there, and on behalf of the teacher or spiritual master, they will go, brahmacari, door to door, and beg and bring forth alms, rice, dahl, grains, and everything.



That was the system. There was no school fee. There was no problem how to send a boy to the school. Samskara. Now he’s trained up. The teacher sees the psychology of the boy, in which way he should be trained. Either he should be trained as a vaisya or he should be trained as a kshatriya. So, everyone was trained like that, but generally, the son of a kshatriya… Just like Maharaja Ramacandra or Arjuna, from the very beginning they were trained as kshatriya.



Naturally, if somebody is the son of a medical man his father trains him to become a medical man in future. That is the natural tendency. If the boy is different altogether that is another question, but naturally, that is the tendency. So, a kshatriya’s son was trained as kshatriya. A brahmana’s son was trained as a brahmana and a vaisya’s son was trained as a vaisya, and sudra had no training. So gradually this became a caste system. Brahmana’s son became brahmana.



Because formerly, the training was there. But when it is vitiated, although a person born in the family of a brahmana, he is doing the work of a sudra. So according to Vedic scripture, one is classified according to his work and quality, not by birth. That is the classification of sastra. Just like in the Bhagavad-gita the Lord says catur-varnyam maya srishtam guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. Guna means quality and karma means work. One must be qualified for the work and he must actually work. Then he is counted classified into that, I mean to say, category. Just like if you are simply trained or educated as a lawyer, and if you are not practicing in the court, nobody comes to you to consult as a lawyer.



Nobody cares for you. You must be practicing also. Similarly, to become a brahmana means first of all, he must know what is Brahman and he must be actually situated in the activities of Brahman. So devotional service are activities of Brahman. Activities in Krishna consciousness means activities in Brahman. Brahme carati iti brahma brahmacari. Carati means acts. Actually, he acts in life, applies the principles of brahmana in his life, he is called brahmacari. So, these were the trainings.



So just see how the training was, that a kshatriya cannot refuse his promise. So, Maharaja Dasaratha, he fulfilled the promise of his youngest wife and asked his son, eldest son Ramacandra, “My dear boy, you’ll have to go to forest for fourteen years. That is the desire of Your youngest mother. And I promised that I shall fulfill her promise, uh, request. So please accept.” Ramacandra said, “Yes father, I am ready.” Just see. This is the quality. Out of the six opulences of God, this is one quality.



aisvaryasya samagrasya
viryasya yasasah sriyah
jnana-vairagyayos caiva
shannam bhagam itingana
(Vishnu Purana 6.5.47)



How one becomes God? God is not manufactured by vote. There are definition who is God. God must be the proprietor of all the riches. Aisvaryasya samagrasya. Samagra means all. Nobody can compete with Him. Here, in this world, material world, I am rich man, and there is another rich man who can compete with me. There is another rich man who can compete with him. But nobody can compete with God in richness. That is one qualification of God. Nobody can say that “I am richer than God.” You can say “I am richer than Ford or Rockefeller” or this or that. You can say. But nobody can say that “I am richer than God.”



Therefore, in the Bhagavad-gita it is said mattah parataram nanyat asti kincid dhananjaya. Mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya [Bg. 7.7]. Dhananjaya is a name of Arjuna, and Krishna said that, “My dear Arjuna, there is nobody greater than Me.” So, if anyone claims that he is God, he must prove by practical example that nobody is richer than him. That is the first. But unfortunately, we are accepting so many Gods. A rascal in the street, he also claims that “I am God.”



So similarly, the other qualification, nobody can be stronger than God, nobody can be wiser than God, nobody can be more beautiful than God, and nobody can be more renouncer than God. So here Ramacandra, Lord Ramacandra exhibited the quality how He renounced the whole kingdom simply on the order of His father, His obedience to father. He could have argued with His father, “My dear father, you, simply for keeping your promise and actuated by the dictation of a woman, you are doing this. Let us stop it.



Everyone is expecting that tomorrow My coronation will be there, and they love Me so much.” Because He… Just like Krishna was so much loved, similarly, Lord Ramacandra was the life of the people. They were very much expecting that Ramacandra was going to be enthroned tomorrow. So how they were celebrating, how they were decorating the whole city. Everything. He never argued. He accepted immediately: “Yes, father. I am ready.”



So then one of the brothers, Lakshmana, He also requested Ramacandra, “My dear brother, You also take Me. I am Your constant companion. I must go with You.” So, He said, “That’s Your wish. Voluntarily, if You want to come, you can come with Me.” Then Sita, His wife, young wife, She also said, “I’ll go with You.” Ramacandra requested His wife, “Oh, you cannot go with Me. It is very difficult. You are a king’s daughter, and you are brought up in so nice way, and you are so beautiful. You cannot go.



You cannot take the trouble of living in the forest.” So, she said, “Oh, I am Your wife. Married wife. So, I must go even if You go to hell.” This is ideal wife. She could have refused: “Oh, Your father has ordered to go to forest. You can go. I shall go to my father’s house or I shall remain here.” No. This is ideal wife. She must be prepared to accept any circumstances of the husband. Not that when the husband is rich the wife is very faithful, and when he has come down to be poor or he’s going to forest the wife gives up his company. No. Wife means better half. She must abide.



Just like, it is said, just like a shadow follows the reality, similarly, the wife is the shadow of the husband. Wherever the husband goes, she must go. Whatever the husband wants, she must carry out. Of course, in this country this interpretation is taken differently, that wife is made a slave. But actually, it is not so. When Sita was kidnapped in the jungle, Ramacandra expected that, that she was beautiful, she was young, and “We shall be in open jungle. It may be some demons may come,” and actually it so happened. So, for Sita, Lord Ramacandra massacred the whole family of Ravana. Only for Sita. So, as the husband, so the wife. The wife was so faithful that she could not remain alone. She must accompany the husband even in the forest. And the husband was so faithful that, “Oh, my wife has been kidnapped.” So, He massacred the whole family of Ravana.



So these are ideal history how… Ramacandra, Lord Ramacandra appeared on this world to educate or to place ideal example of a king. How the king should be. Therefore, when there is good government… The example is given, Rama-rajya. Rama- rajya. It is the kingdom of Lord Rama. Because everyone was happy, everyone. There are so many instances in the life of Ramacandra. One brahmana… Not brahmana exactly. Somebody came to Ramacandra. Because at that time there was no court like this, that you have to go to a court and apply with stamp fee.



Then your judgment will be delivered after six years. It is not like that. Anyone who has got some complaint, he should… The king used to sit in the open audience, and the citizens were allowed to approach the king and place their complaints. Because there was no complaint practically. Everyone was happy. Very minor complaint. So, somebody came to Ramacandra, and he charged Ramacandra, “My dear king, my son has died. How is that, in the presence of his father, son can die? There must be something wrong in Your government.” Just see. The charge is “Why my son has died before my death? This is unnatural.” So, there was nothing unnatural. The king was responsible even for severe cold, severe heat. That we get from history of Srimad-Bhagavatam. That is stated. So, the kings were so much responsible. They were always thinking of the happiness of the citizens, and the citizens were also so nice.



One citizen approached Lord Ramacandra and His next assistant, His brother, Lakshmana, informed Him that “He is a brahmana. You were absent on Your tour for, I think for a fortnight or a month, and this brahmana has not eaten even a drop of water during Your absence.” Why? “Because he comes here to see You, darsana.” Just like we come here in the temple to see the Deity. So, Lord Ramacandra was present personally. So, he used to come. After seeing Ramacandra, offering his obeisances, then he would go home and take something, his breakfast. That was his vow.



And because he could not see for a fortnight or a month Lord Ramacandra because He was out on political tour, he did not eat even. Just see. The citizens were similar to the king. So, at that time, there was a statue of Ramacandra which was being worshiped in the family from Maharaja Ikshvaku. Maharaja Ikshvaku, the son of Manu, happens to be the forefather of the family in which Ramacandra appeared. So, he was devotee of Lord Rama, and he was worshiping the statue of Lord Rama.



So that statue was being worshiped by the family one after another. But when Ramacandra was actually present He kept that statue in the closet of the room, and when this brahmana approached and Ramacandra was informed by Lakshmana that he is so steady and strong in his vow, so Ramacandra ordered that he may be delivered that statue so that in My absence he can offer respect to the statue and do with this. That form, I mean to say, statue, or arca of Ramacandra is still existing in South India. It is being worshiped from that time.



So these were the dealings of Ramacandra. Then He, His younger brother Lakshmana and His wife went to the forest, and His wife was kidnapped by the diplomacy of the demon Ravana, and there was fight between Rama and Ravana. Ravana was very, materialistically, he was very strong. But the thing is for fighting with Ravana, Ramacandra did not come back to His kingdom and take His army. No. He did not come back because He was ordered to live in the forest. So, He organized army with the jungle animals, the monkeys. The monkeys. He fought with Ravana, an organized materialist, with the monkeys. You have seen the picture. And He constructed a bridge between India’s last point to the other side. Ceylon is considered to be the kingdom of Ravana. So, there was a bridge, and the stones were floating.



So there are so many historical incidences in the life of Ramacandra, and we should remember, because if we remember why we are observing today fasting for Ramacandra… There were many kings like Ramacandra. Because the kings were trained in that way. Maharaja Yudhishthira was also as good as Ramacandra, and Maharaja Parikshit was as good. There were many such kings. But we are not concerned because He was a king. He is the King of all kings, paramesvara.



Because He is God, therefore we are observing today. Ramadi-murtishu kala-niyamena tishthan [Bs. 5.39]. So, He is not original form of God. The original form of God is Krishna, and Krishna expands Himself in various other forms. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Ananta-rupam means millions and millions. The Manu is also incarnation of Krishna. So, in one day of Brahma there are fourteen Manus. So, Brahma lives for one hundred years. Just see how many incarnations of Manus are there even for one Brahma, and there are innumerable Brahmas also. So, as stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that nobody can count how many incarnations are there, but some of the chief incarnations are mentioned, and Lord Ramacandra is one of them. So, Lord Ramacandra, He killed Ravana and He installed his brother.



His brother was devotee, Vibhishana. So, He did not go to conquer Ceylon, because He was emperor. He went to punish that culprit Ravana, and He installed his younger brother Vibhishana in that… And He came back with Sita, and again He was installed after fourteen years, and His brother was so faithful that so long His eldest brother was away, Ramacandra requested Him that “Your mother wants that You should be king, and I also wish that in My absence You should be king.” Bharata, He was so faithful brother, He replied, “No. You are king.



So long You are living, nobody can be king. So, I cannot be king.” Then He requested, “At least You administer.” Because after the departure of Lord Ramacandra, Maharaja Dasaratha died out of the shock because Ramacandra was very pet son, eldest son. He was going to be king, and by his order He was sent to the forest. The father could not tolerate the shock. He died.



So Ramacandra’s life, God’s activities, pastimes, if we hear, that means we are associating with Ramacandra. There is no difference between His form, His name, His pastimes, and Himself. He’s absolute. Therefore, either you chant the holy name of Rama or you see the statue of Rama or you talk of His pastimes, transcendental pastimes, everything, that means you are associating with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So, we take advantage of these days when the incarnation of God appears or disappears, and we try to associate with Him. By His association we become purified. Our process is purification. Krishna consciousness means simply we are purifying our consciousness. From the birth, as I have explained, everyone is sudra.



Sudra means one who laments. That is called sudra. For a slight loss or slight inconvenience, one who laments, he is called sudra. And brahmana means one who tolerates. A sudra has no toleration. So kalau sudra sambhava. Kalau means… This age is called Kali. So, it is the statement of the sastras that in this age the whole population is sudra. And formerly also, by his birth, everyone was considered sudra, but there was training, samskara. At the present moment, there is no samskara, there is no training. The training is only for earning livelihood. No other training. How one can earn money and enjoy senses—that is the training at the present moment. But actually, to make successful the human life or the mission of human life, the Vedic culture is very nice. And by spreading Krishna consciousness, by adopting the process of Krishna consciousness, you can revive that cultural life, sublime life. If not wholesale, if there are a few people trained up in this line, and they become ideal examples to the society, immense benefit can be derived from their examples of life. What is time? [break] (kirtana) (end)

(A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada 27th March 1969. The Appearance day of Lord Rama – Ramanavami, Hawaii, USA.)

Prabhupadanuga Banned / Audio Books / Harassing Child Welfare Advocates

https://krishna.org/help-i-told-the-iskcon-temple-president-about-prabhupada/?

PADA: Oh oh! A woman finds out Srila Prabhupada is her guru, and she is immediately booted out of ISKCON temples. You mean, someone does not want to worship our illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills Vaishnavas? Forsooth! Cannot have that. Told ya! ys pd

angel108b@yahoo.com 

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PADA: "Not intervening" by the GBC would be a giant leap forward. They have obfuscated and intervened on behalf of various perps, and on a regular basis. The good news is, the Feds were monitoring my case and tapping their phones. And thus the Feds notified Berkeley PD to put an undercover tail on me, which saved me when their goons started chasing me. The Feds even told me "we used you as bait." Hence, I am still alive to tell the tale. My associate? Not so lucky. That is also what the Los Angeles police kept reminding me, "You idiot, you need to stay away from Watseka, don't you know what happened to your friend a few blocks from here"? Ummm, yup. I know. The regime intervened, and big time. Now they want everyone to pray to Lord Narasimgha to save their program, sorry, He does not save those who aggress upon children, or even -- aggress upon us little fox terrier defenders of children. ys pd

W DASA: The GBC Protection Office.

V Dasanudas: What have done your pals the ''feds''? Nuting, since they are part of the plot to ''de-krsnaize'' Iskcon. Sure you are alive and still breathing, trying desperately to prove with obsession that the SP's movement is a shelter for only pedocrats and pedocats. Not me! 

PADA: Thanks prabhu. Well for starters, after the lawsuit was filed -- hundreds of children were reported to be removed from GBC schools by parents who were alerted to the issue. Of course -- hundreds of children being saved from the potential GBC's house of horrors program is -- no one and "nuttin." And then, many children got a financial stipend from the lawsuit, and a number of them told me -- that saved some of them from being penniless and homeless. One of them told me he bought a used pick up and a lawn mower and he started a lawn care business, otherwise he would be homeless now. Homeless gurukulis are nuttin. Let them live like bums on the street, it is their karma. 

And then again, the epidemic of children taking their own lives almost stopped, albeit we did not stop it entirely. And then again, even the GBC -- and many others -- started all sorts of child monitoring and child welfare departments, again children's welfare being nuttin. Well we thought ISKCON's children are someones and some thing, and we thought they should be assisted, and so did the FEDS. I always find it amazing that some ISKCON people were not even concerned that the children were taking their lives, these victim people are nuttin, and that is why they have been taking their lives. 

And even my life would have been taken without the FEDS, another life that is nuttin. First of all, devotees need to develop concern for other devotees, and not just keep saying they are nuttin, especially the children. When children's lives, and my life, and anyone else's life is nuttin, there is no society left. And even the FEDS noticed that. And so did the Dallas courts. And so did my friend Dr. Stilson Judah, who told me "you are not going to live for long if history repeats."

In other words, the idea that children and me are "nuttin" -- is how we got to this stage. And now I will be going on another mass media expose, because ordinary people are appalled when they find out the lives of me and children and -- nuttin. Sorry, in Krishna consciousness, even the life of a fly is something important, not nuttin, and no one is authorized even to harm even one of them, never mind Krishna's children. 

Same problem we have had with Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad das / Bhakta peter HKC Jaipur group. As soon as they found out their favorite pedophile messiah's club was going to lose money, and at the same time suicides of their victims was going to drop, they became infuriated! 

Prahlad das started to say -- "this is all about money," because children crushed under his army tank treads are "nuttin," -- but his gold and Shekels are important. Yep, Prahlad das complains about the Zionist bankers, but he wants to make sure his Zionist banker pals have all the ISKCON money, so he can save his pedophile worshipers program! 

Children are nothing and his Zionist banker pals are everything. How will we be able to afford garlands to garland our pedophile messiahs? Children have to die so Prahlad can have garlands for his pedophile messiahs. And then Peter says, this is all PADA's lies. Nope, we have an audio taped conversation where Prahlad complains about his pedophile messiah's club losing its money. And even recently, HKC Jaipur guys are saying PADA is a liar. Nope, we have evidence.  

So this is a pattern, every once in a while we get this same message, children are nothing, Zionist bankers are everything, ... any questions? Yep, why are so many people totally disgusted with your lot? Hee hee!

ys pd

Nice. But you can't take it with you.

Exiled / Why No Arrests? / Mayesvara Pt. 4

I am With the Exiled 

 

LD: Most of the devotees around here have quit going to ISKCON. They do not want to be seen as supporting ... and encouraging ... a pedophile friendly program. So they are sort of ... living in exile. But Lord Rama, the Pandavas and many others also lived in exile. Lord Chaitanya exiled Himself from the smartas. That is sometimes the needful path. 

Srila Prabhupada himself self-exiled ... from the Gaudiya Matha. Many of these devotees now go to programs from other Maths, Hindu temples, Yoga classes, some of them even go to a Christian church and etc. because that is better than supporting a pedophile friendly program. One of my friends married a Christian man, because she had no interest in the ISKCON men ... whom she felt are too much misogynist and pedophile friendly. 

I live the same way, better to live in exile than be seen as a supporter of bogus rascals posing as saints. The pedophile friendly program is going to hell, and so are the people who support it. And it is better to go to almost any other program. I am an official exile-ee myself. I wanted to encourage all my fellow exile-ees like me, do not support them, you are doing the right thing.

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Bhaktin J: Why are none of the perps or their cover ups and accomplices being arrest now? Seems to me ... cover up continues. Why doesn't GBC have Jayapataka charged as accomplice, since he has been in charge of Mayapur forever? It looks like ... no one takes these horrific crimes against children serious. Why is Bhakti Vidya Purna swami not ... in jail? Why aren't his accomplices in jail? What are they waiting for? Justice delayed is ... no justice.

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Patita Pavana Das

I WONDER AND I WONDER

Sivarama Swami's leaked letter---the one that he wrote to his GBC cohorts after one of his fellow "ISKCON leaders" was found to have been a forty-year boy rapist---is well known.

In that letter Shivaram wrote, "BVPS committed abuse, but he is not a born abuser. He is a troubled person and he succumbed to temptation. But he gave 50 years of his life to ISKCON, and his abuse aside, he did valuable service. He tried to establish aspects of our culture in ISKCON. I for one appreciate that."

I wonder whether "ISKCON leader" Shivarama would like to drop in on the Atlanta Krishna Temple where abuse victim Vedasara has been the TP for 15 years, to preach his valuable opinions about protecting Anirdeshya Vapu. We are eager to hear how destroying innumerable lives is "valuable service."

Let the NWO monk from Hungary ascend the Vyasa Asan in Atlanta, and explain to the congregation there how Mayapur's devil in saffron is not a "born abuser." How can some swami poser who has been raping all sorts of people for forty years not be a born abuser? Hmmmm...?

I wonder, too, what Shivaram considers to be the "valuable service" of a criminal rapist, a fiend who has destroyed the reputation of his spiritual master.
Shivaram writes that "BVPS established 'aspects of our culture' in ISKCON. IS that some kind of Freudian slip from the mouth of someone who has ideas of "culture" that can't stand the light of day?

Is this the standard of "accidental fall-down for ISKCON swamis--or have they all gone mad from being separated from genuine devotional service? I wonder, too, how many GBC cohorts of the ex-BVP know his location now while he is absconding from the law. I wonder whether you guys can do the right thing,, and hand him over to the authorities, and behind bars where he belongs.

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In Pursuit of ISKCON Child Abusers c/o mayesvara dasa March 20, 2023 Page 4.

Attracting Flies with Vinegar?

Failing to understand this important point, Sanaka instead chose a confrontational, arm-twisting attempt to force the GBC to respond to his concerns about the ISKCON youth the way he wanted them to. He ignorantly failed to consider the fact that the people he was approaching had not yet reached the godly status of personal perfection.

[PADA: Ok the GBC gurus are being worshiped as gurus, who are as good as God, but they have not attained Godly perfection. That is called cheating. Srila Prabhupada says that people who pose as gurus without being properly purely connected to Krishna are "the most dangerous elements in human society who are destined for the most obnoxious regions of the universe." And so are their supporters, ok like Mayesvara. We are not going to stop confronting deviant / pedophile acharya programs -- because Srila Prabhupada confronted bogus gurus for his whole life, and so should we.]

Consequently, he has since earned the reputation for alienating, attacking and unnecessarily insulting those he needed the support from. What else can be expected when one charges is with autocratic, vigilante, and offensive communication skills? Yes, some very bad decisions were made, and perhaps those who made them were indeed overwhelmed by what needed to be done. But accusing everyone else of ”NOT CARING” about the welfare of the children when he did not get the reception he wanted, is not the way to gain the cooperation of those who are in the position to change things.

[PADA: Thousands of people are now doing the same thing, they are attacking the GBC guru process because it is self evident -- they do not care. And they only take action when they are exposed and attacked. That means exposing and attacking is the only option left for the people who want to reform the situation. And that is why we are going on mass media TV to expose them ourself, we should not allow a pedophile messiah's project to cheat people as if they are God's messiahs. They aren't.]

The fact is that the majority of devotees are very disturbed about the horrendous things that happened to the gurukula children and the huge scar it has on Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON. Accusing everyone who did not comply with what Sanakas demanded as being equally culpable to those who did the molestation is incendiary. It is equivalent to saying every citizen in Russia approves of Putin’s war crimes in the Ukraine. The fact is many in Russia are kept uninformed about what their government is doing because Putin is careful to prevent knowledge of his ruthless tactics in the Ukraine from reaching the Russian citizens.

[PADA: "Everyone" in Los Angeles ISKCON is upset, but then everyone goes back to worshiping the founder fathers of the illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's club -- like Jayapataka. We are upset with Putin's invading Ukraine, therefore, lets us worship his photo on the altars, and claim he is God's successor? 

That means they are not truly upset, or they would change their policy of worshiping the leaders of the pedophile messiah's regime. They would remove the worship of the main leaders of the pedophile's guru association from their temples. They aren't. So this is called crocodile tears, we are upset, but then, it is business as usual the next day, we worship the pedophile acharya's founders and leaders. Or worse, they are still worshiping 45 years long cheer leaders of the pedophile regime like Lokanath etc.]

Innocent Until Proven Guilty!

Some people may have heard some stories about how Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami (BVPS) ran the Mayapura gurukula, but that does not mean they knew about the details expressed in Vedasara’s alarming letter. Good leaders honor the principle that: “A person should be considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.” Regardless of how heinous a given situation may appear at first, good people refrain from slurring insults, accusations and jumping to conclusions prior to when a conviction is handed down. Had Sanaka Rsi been more vigilante about escorting those who claimed to be victimized directly to good legal counsel or any of the organizations specifically set up to protect children listed above, relief would have come more
quickly. 

Instead, we now have the huge mess we collectively face today.

Sanaka wanted so badly to be seen as the heroic defender of innocent children that he adopted an “In-Your-Face” confrontational approach, to child protection in ISKCON and that undermined his effectiveness. Yes, atrocities were committed, but Sanaka got so focused on the horrid behavior of a small minority of troubled individuals that he completely forgot the important brahminical principle:

“Even if someone on the level of Lord Siva blasphemes a devotee, he will soon be destroyed. This is the verdict of all scriptures. Sinful people who ignore this fact and blaspheme devotees suffer the punishment of providence birth after birth.” -Caitanya Bhagavata Madhya-khanda 21-22.055

[PADA: Wait. So we are being banned, beaten, chased with bats, and assassinated, which means, "no one knows" what our complaints are? That makes zero sense. If we are being violently and viciously repressed, that means people are indeed very aware of what our complaints are. "People did not know" -- but they DO know we dissenters need to be banned, beaten, chased with bats, and killed? Makes no sense does it?]  

Civilized secular societies have adopted comprehensive legal systems to protect its citizens from being treated as a criminal until it is proven by a jury of their peers that they committed an offence. But the internet is the new version of the Old Wild West. There is no throttle to control or verify the dissemination of information of very destructive, prejudicial, and threatening ideas foisted onto the members of the public. This is something we should all be very concerned about!

[PADA: There is no history of any civilized society worshiping illicit sex messiahs and banning, beating, chasing with bats, and killing folks who will not bow down to their molester messiah's project. Worshiping pedophiles as messiahs is not civilized society. Sulochana said, even dogs do not worship pedophiles as their gurus, because they are smarter than the GBC and their pals like Mayesvara. 

In other words, even a dog has enough God given brains to avoid pedophile worship. Sulochana also said that GBC is not advanced enough to worship a bucket of dog stools, because a bucket of dog stools will not ban, beat, molest, sue and kill the Vaishnavas. And that is why, the people who "do not know" have to have him killed, because -- they know EXACTLY what he is talking about. ys pd] 

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Mayesvara Pt. 3 "Our Gurus Good Old Boys Omerta Code"

 

We are Here To Help You!

Mayesvara: Sanaka acknowledged my letter but I was quite surprised how vehemently he rejected my suggestion as unsuitable. His movie convinced me he was committed to protecting innocent children, but his rejection to the solution that had worked so well in Los Angels was baffling. Instead, he chose to battle with the GBC Goliath who had conflicting allegiances and were not properly trained in resolving such deviations in human nature.

PADA: The "solution in Los Angeles" is -- to worship the founder fathers of the Mayapur pedophile messiah's club's leaders like Jayapataka. And JPS's Mayapur project is famous for mistreating devotees, especially children. Did we forget to mention -- reports of starving, beating and rapes of children from various India victims. How does worshiping the founder fathers of pedophile-loka help -- anyone?

Neither the GBC is really a very big Goliath. As someone pointed out, it is basically the same maybe 35 guys who manage the overall molester messiah's club's operations for decades, such as: Badrinarayan swami, Basu Ghosh, Bhakti Vikas swami, Bhakti Chaitanya swami, Bir Krishna swami, Gopal Krishna swami, Radhanath swami, Vaisesika, Jayadvaita swami, Lokanath swami, Prahladananda swami etc.

They are the main shot callers. And the background guys like Giriraja swami, Hrdayananda swami, Ravindra swarupa, Satsvarupa swami and others are still influencing things on the side. But it is still not a large group by any means. 

When we compare the 1978 Mayapur meeting photos with maybe thousands of people present, to today's, today's has significantly less people. It is not a Goliatha at this stage. In fact some of them are saying we need to make women gurus because our guru sabha is dwindling and dying off.

Many institutions develop long standing relationships between its leadership members and that is pejoratively referred to as the “Old-Boys-Club.” It has such a strong influence it can often lead to inappropriate bias decision making. This is not unique to ISKCON. It exists wherever there is a group of individuals who
are working towards a collective objective and it reflects an aspect of our human nature that often stands in the way of the way of untinged decision making. 

The “Old-Boys-Club” is referred to as the “Code of Blue” among the police force and I encountered its prejudice with officers during my 30-year career working as a database engineer for the United States Navy. Higher ranked lieutenants are expected to act with a greater moral standard than the newly enlisted 18-year-old sailor, but there is no process in place to ensure that they will.

PADA: Oh here we go. There are somewhere around maybe 60 "resident of Krishna loka acharyas" in ISKCON, but they are also a corrupt corporate good ole boys club -- that has a rotten history of decision making, especially in regards to child welfare. And every other mundane society has the same troubles with their residents of Krishna loka. Ooops, no other mundane society claims their leaders are Krishna's successors?

And these GBC pure devotee / gopi assistant / saints are operating same as the "Omerta code" MAFIA, or the "Code of Blue" that some police use -- to protect fellow police by the same code of silence idea. And that is why -- the GBC's gurus (perhaps 60 of them or something currently?) residents of Krishna loka need to be worshiped as assisting the gopis! The rotten corporate OMERTA MAFIA folks are simultaneously, dancing with the gopis? Sheesh pilgrims!

Many particularly expect that leaders in religious communities only achieve their positions of power because they are of exalted personal character with impeccable ideals. That may be initially the case, but unfortunately people change or their concealed nature becomes exposed with time. Those who naively believe that anyone is insulated from the risk of poor judgement or fall-down lives in an unrealistic fantasy world. Srila Prabhupada specifically said, utopia does not exist anywhere in this material world.

PADA: OK so the GBC gurus are residents of Krishna loka acharyas, they are assisting the gopis, they are worshiped as good as God, but we are fools if we expect good behavior from the successors to God. Sheesh! 

“So we shall not expect that anywhere there is any Utopia. Rather, that is impersonalism. People should not expect that even in the Krishna Consciousness Society there will be Utopia. 

Because devotees are persons, therefore there will always be some lacking—but the difference is that their lacking, because they have given up everything to serve Krishna—money, jobs, reputation, wealth, big educations, everything—their lackings have become transcendental because, despite everything they may do, their topmost intention is to serve Krishna.” 

Letter to Atreya Rsi, Bombay 4 February 1972

PADA: So the GBC can rubber stamp people to be as pure as God, and no one should expect that the pure as God will act properly. Rather we should expect that the residents of Krishna loka / assistants of the gopis / will be acting like debauchees and criminals. Why? Because Krishna is a debauchee and a criminal, and therefore so are His successors. In other words, Mayesvara wants to make Krishna into a lusty criminal dog, because His successors are "qualitatively" the same as Him. Told ya! ys pd 

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PADA: JD says eventually the Prabhupadanugas will be bigger group than the GBC's guru process. Yup. ys pd

V Dasa: There were many people in the Gaudiya math posing as gurus after the departure of Bhaktisiddanta Prabhupada. Prabhupada is referring to these devotees in this purport. In Iskcon with the elected guru system by the gbc panel the same thing has happened. Iskcon has become Gaudiya math part 2.
There is a total schism between godbrother’s over this issue and debate is raging on.

The fact is that the elected gurus are not uttama adhikari and Prabhupada is still with us in his Vani incarnation. Please spread our mission at the Prabhupada disciples association to all sincere seekers of the truth.

"Unfortunately, in this Age of Kali there are many mundane persons in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas, and Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has described them as disciples of Kali. He says, kali-cela. He indicates that there is another Vaiṣṇava, a pseudo Vaiṣṇava with tilaka on his nose and kaṇṭhī beads around his neck. Such a pseudo Vaiṣṇava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaiṣṇavas. Although passing for a Vaiṣṇava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura therefore says that such a pseudo Vaiṣṇava is not a Vaiṣṇava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an ācārya by the decision of some high-court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaiṣṇava ācārya. A Vaiṣṇava ācārya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. A false ācārya may try to override a Vaiṣṇava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga." (Cc Madhya 1.220 purport)

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PA: It's almost impossible to stand up and speak the truth in Iskcon as you don't want to loose your spiritual family and community and friends and guru. Saying no thanks ... I'm doing it my way will see you get turfed out and sent packing after they have separated you and your identity from the whole of ISKCON society at large ... by demonizing you and all of Krishna's creation that He has created for everyone. They make sure you are a team player for the false guru game, or you are out nickety splits.

Iskcon religion does not have your highest welfare at heart of giving you all the knowledge for free no strings attached as is the duty of every single spiritual master. Krishna is not for sale.

Krishna consciousness is the action of Karma yoga doing your duty according to your nature ... not artificial renunciation, not being sectarian, not being a money making slave, or even a sex slave of the pedophilles running some of their despotic temple gulag camps -- paid for with opulence for the leaders, and side benefits of gulabs and rasgulas to keep up the Ponzi scheme.

Every single person that stands up and speaks their personal realisations and understanding of Krishna consciousness makes a massive difference. Krishna consciousness is not parrot consciousness of drone strike conversion therapy.

Kidnappings and forcing people with starvation and beatings to fully surrender ... or else maybe we will kill you ... is not how you demonstrate the Sadhana Bhakti process. And none of this is exaggeration and is my own direct experience of Iskcon family and leadership and I'm not an isolated special case. 

Stop handing over your free will, intelligence, assets, time and energy to bogus spiritual masters. Transfer your shabda bramana spiritual sound vibration to the real parampara. And thus access the original formal parampara and mahamantra process for gradual spiritual development. But do not surrender to those only interested in pratishta, name and fame, money, influence, man power, buildings etc. Worse, some of them want sex with followers. Making their big buildings for their personal vanity image projects is not going to make you Krishna consciousness.

KK Dasa

Earlier today I had a chat with a friend living in Mayapur.

He asked me about a post I wrote a few days back.  I explained the reasoning and put into context that message in the totality of my purpose. One word could sum up my posts. It is AWARENESS.  If anyone reads a single post in isolation, it’s unlikely to understand the overall purpose.

This awareness is what devotee-authorities never adequately address.  Where’s the awareness to help devotees to defend themselves against institutional bullying, abuse and hurt?  Where is the awareness for newcomers to be informed so that they won’t suffer shocks when things go wrong?  Where is the awareness of reality-checks to remind everyone that ISKCON members can lose their identity in cult debacles?

Awareness will assist devotees in making up their own minds, to say “NO” if necessary and to express themselves without fear.  If these aspects of ISKCON life are missing, we’re socially backward.  

In service to the devotees, I won’t apologise if this awareness upsets devotee-leaders because if they don’t open up with accountability and accessibility to ‘rank and file’ devotees, it will come back to trouble them anyway.  My friend from Mayapur appreciated my purpose after an explanation.  At your service.

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Mayesvara Dasa: Hindsight is alway 20 / 20. PADA was just as quiet as were most when this photo (of Kirtanananda on his Vyasa seat) was taken, now he gets massive attention claiming that Lord Caitanyas movement is based on the worship of pedophiles. We were all under 30 with little or NO experience, idealistic and charmed by Srila Prabhupadas extraordinary magnitude. Unfortunatly we discovered just how much evil is saturated everywhere in Kali Yuga the arduous way. The truth is far more complex and universal. For more details and a clear understanding read:

In Search of ISKCON Child Abusers https://jagannatha.com/in-search-of-iskcon-child-abusers/

KD: That's your excuse? Its really lame. Can you come up with a better one?

A Dasi: Mayesvara Dasa yes no more excuses ..... as part of your "age 30" devotional journey as adults ... that was our entire whole short ... and horrible ... childhood experience when we were small children ... sick of your excuse making take on it.

PADA: Mayesvara Dasa: I already knew we cannot worship conditioned souls as God's successors when I was maybe 10 years old. I did not have to wait -- to age 30 -- to know that. I am being interviewed by the police, the FEDS, the courts, the media, the scholars, the books writers etc. because at least I said something. 

And I am still being interviewed now for the same reason, i.e. it is well known even publicly that at least -- I said something. We could argue that what I said was: too strident, not strident enough, too little -- too late, using bad language, or whatever other complaints I get all the time, but I did at least make some effort to contain the molester messiah's project. 

And that is why I have been part of the media and legal side of this situation ongoing. The real question is: what did you and your guru bhai pals do to correct the situation? ys pd

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