PADA:
The ISKCON false guru facade is collapsing. Yep.
The organization is diseased and is disintegrating. Yep.
ISKCON has a cancer problem, and it has to be removed before it can get better. Yep.
Sannyasas should not be threatening withdrawing funds from the Child Protection Office, because sannyasas are not supposed to be in charge of money. Yep.
Horrific child abuse has been going on under the administration of these sannyasas. Yep.
More horrific abuse is being exposed every day. Yep.
Now Hrdayananda has been blocked from preaching in Alachua ISKCON for one year for making bogus statements. Well sheesh, our folks have been banned from speaking for 45 years.
Anyway, to say that Srila Prabhupada wanted and ordered 11 conditioned souls to be worshiped as Krishna's guru successors is an attack on his statements right out of the gate. He never says he wants conditioned souls to act as acharyas.
And did we forget all the banning, beating, molesting, lawsuits and even assassinations that have been going on left, right and center. Are these leaders disciples of Krishna -- or of Kali yuga?
And then we have some folks in and around ISKCON saying us "Prabhupada fanatics" are over emphasizing him because we need the GBC's "living saints" instead. Oh, you mean like the living saints who created all these disasters in ISKCON? Neine danke.
OK I have to point this out, some of the main speakers opposing the GBC's guru process are the female warriors sector. That is a question I get quite a lot, where are the men "kshatriya warriors"? The men seem to be hiding from the battle, and are largely conspicuous by their absence. It almost seems like some of our best helpers, starting in 1980s, have been the ladies sector. Why is that?
Yep, Alachua has many deluded cult idiot people there -- who fall of their chairs and think they have met the reincarnation of Jesus -- as soon as they see one of their nice anal reconstructive surgery epidemic project's messiahs. Sulochana called them "boot lickers for the butt busters." And that is why they had him killed, he was on to them 100%.
One of these pedophile pooja cult fanatics is Adi Karta. The only thing Adi Karta says is "your facts are wrong." Well yes, I was wrong, the molesting in your molester messiah's project is way more extensive -- and way worse -- than even we originally said it was. Adi Karta's program has way more blood on their hands, and way more harmed and even dead ex-children, than we originally imagined. He is correct. His violently enforced molester messiah's project is way worse than anyone imagined. True dat!
Anway, yes as a matter of fact if I am in the foxhole fighting off an army of violent zombies -- please do not bother to send me 1,000 of the ISKCON kshatriya men armchair warriors. I'd be gone in 30 seconds. Send me some of these fighting ladies please. I'd be honored to have them with me in that dire situation because -- at least they are going to fight along with me -- and not run off the battle field. Jvalamukhi is correct, these leaders are minimizing Srila Prabhupada in order to artificially boost themselves up. Why are they allowed to speak anywhere?
ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
krishna1008: Adikarta Dasa (Alachua) Doubts PADA's "Facts"
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PA Dasa: Where's the iron fist?
Gurukuli kids were forced to drink their own urine, eat prasada from the floor, they accidently spilt or dropped, were locked up in cupboards for hours on end or rooms for days with no food, covered with a sack and beaten with sticks, fist beaten till bloodied or whipped on the back till blood seeped from the wounds, sodomized in front of class as a waning or else where, etc etc, etc.
Oh PA, why are you saying these things? Because when nothing is being done or little is being done, even after 50 years, exposure to the devotee community, is necessary as a wake up call, so that iskcon leaders do something about it, Sweeping it under the carpet won't help. It's about cleaning up the mess, kicking out abusers who are still in management positions, even idolized and to send a firm message that abusers are not welcome in iskcon and will be dealt with an iron fist, hence ACTUALLY protecting the image of Srila Prabhupada and his mission.
KKD: How can one not lose faith in Krsna and the process of Krsna consciousness when we see "devotees" acting so viciously and ruthlessly? I answer this question by stating that it all depends on the seed of Krsna Bhakti that has been planted in our heart, how it has been watered and protected.
ReplyDeleteThe seed, if it has been planted by Srila Prabhupada or some other acharya, in the strict sense of the term, will be a seed of quality. The next step is to water the seed and protect it.
To properly bear and protect the seed of Krsna bhakti in its form of bud, sraddha, or faith, we should chant the Holy names of God without offence and how will we do that? Just follow the instructions of Srila Rupa Gosvami prabhupada given in Sri Upadesamrta and so well explained by the comments of Srila Prabhupada and other acharyas in the line of authentic discipleship succession.
In other words, the world may explode, men may kill, rape or steal but if we have had some sincere dedication to the process outlined above, surely -- even if we see "devotees" engaged with bad attitudes unexpected for the position they occupy we will not lose focus of the supreme goal in life, which is to serve Krsna purely under the guidance of the pure devotees of the Lord.
PADA: And if the "devotees" are acting ruthlessly, and many of them are, there are not, were not, could not have been -- gurus. That is a given, and more people are agreeing every day. A sincere person will recognize that the Lord is not involved in all the actions of all these false devotees, and he will reject these false devotees, but continue on trying to serve Krishna.
ND: GURU POSITION IS VALID FOR ACTUAL TRUE PURE DEVOTEE SPIRITUAL MASTERS ... NOT FOR ANY TOM..DICK AND HARRY, WHO FALSELY CONSIDERS THEMSELVES TO BE ""PURE DEVOTEE"" ... OR THEIR SO CALLED FOLLOWERS WHO CONSIDER THEM TO BE ""PURE DEVOTEES"'..!!!
ReplyDelete"One who considers the spiritual master an ordinary human being... is considered a naraki, a candidate for hellish life."
Chaitanya-caritamrta Antya 6.294, Purport
PADA: Right, Sulochana said that if the GBC would worship an ordinary man, they would be better off, but they like to establish worship of crooks, criminals, pedophiles and deviants, who are far worse than the ordinary man.