How long must we wait while you cover up, make excuses and prevaricate. Many of us have been living with this pain for 50+ years!!! We have told you all the truth. Kulis who were broken and crippled by their injuries filed a class action lawsuit and we were condemned as liars and apostates.
You need to read the graphic details of our abuses before your stone like hearts can even begin to care? Yet you have done nothing! Still you waste your time talking about philosophy, and your own hurt and spiritual disapointment, loss of faith and other trivial nonsense while our suffering continues.
Do something for him!!! Do something for all of us!! Stop pretending you didn't know. If you didn't know it is because you did not want to know. Your fragile, "sensitive" and faithless hearts had no compassion.
We were the most precious gift. We were given to you in trust. Bright shining souls whose purity attracted the ghouls and rakshasas who ate our souls and feasted on our bodies. Yet you have chosen, all these years, to support and protect our abusers while we were ostracized, condemned and left to wander alone with no education and broken bodies and minds?
Our cries have been ringing out for decades! Believe us!!!! Help us!!!
KD: I think a go fund me to help with ongoing medical expenses and possibly if anyone has any ideas in regards to emotional support for Vedasara.
SD: I would be glad if I can somehow assist to You dear brave souls with my therapy! It would of course be my gift You. I also do not trust in talking - only practical help. I'm happy if I can help and assist You.
U Dasi: Dear friend, I too would like to offer practical help by offering my services to you or any other kulis who are in need of kind understanding and healing. If any kulis would like some Reiki sessions I would be honoured to gift the sessions. Just PM me for details.
OM: We are all guilty by association. I met devotees for the first time in 1980, New York City. Everyone in my family knew about the abuses of power and exploiting going on with the Hare Krishnas ... even though they had never visited a temple. I worked at a juice bar owned by my family and most of our customers were charming devotees. My mother was terrified of them while I was fascinated, ignoring all the obvious red flags.
KJ: Every ISKCON leader who looked the other way is culpable for the 40 + year reign of terror of Anirdesya Vapu (fka Bhaktividya Purna) held over vulnerable young Vaishnavas in Mayapur. That includes those leaders who publicly endorsed him, who invited him to travel and speak at their temples, who instructed their disciples to send their children to his schools, or who enjoyed the perks of having gurukula boys as indentured servants, while visiting Mayapur and staying at AV’s schools. Leaders, every one of you has blood on your hands! You were warned. Many times.
KJ: Every ISKCON leader who looked the other way is culpable for the 40 + year reign of terror of Anirdesya Vapu (fka Bhaktividya Purna) held over vulnerable young Vaishnavas in Mayapur. That includes those leaders who publicly endorsed him, who invited him to travel and speak at their temples, who instructed their disciples to send their children to his schools, or who enjoyed the perks of having gurukula boys as indentured servants, while visiting Mayapur and staying at AV’s schools. Leaders, every one of you has blood on your hands! You were warned. Many times.
PJ: Exactly... I agree... that’s exactly correct.
R DASI: You people must help yourselves first. Veda didn't speak for many years about his abuses. He was even a temple president licking the GBCs boots. Now because he got cancer he speaks finally? Don't misunderstand me. Better late than never ... but you cannot give everyone the culpability. The culp is of the parents in first place. Then of those who knew and did nothing. Why you don't sue BVP? Are you afraid?
U Dasi: Did you ever consider that through the indoctrination of AV and the system around him, that he went on to serve in ISKCON? Just as abuse victims in the mainstream culture, remain within the culture they grew up in, were educated in, were abused in. Thats what he was trained and educated to do - serve in his community. And as far as him not speaking out for so long ... none of us has the right to demand when a victim comes forward to tell his / her story.
R DASI: The author is shooting everyone with rage. I started to know about sex abuses around 10 years ago from internet. Why the author of the post did nothing for so long? He has been abused ... not me or my family members. I really don't care if they have been brainwashed .... and did not speak ... there is no excuse to be silent on such type of crimes.
R DASI: You people must help yourselves first. Veda didn't speak for many years about his abuses. He was even a temple president licking the GBCs boots. Now because he got cancer he speaks finally? Don't misunderstand me. Better late than never ... but you cannot give everyone the culpability. The culp is of the parents in first place. Then of those who knew and did nothing. Why you don't sue BVP? Are you afraid?
U Dasi: Did you ever consider that through the indoctrination of AV and the system around him, that he went on to serve in ISKCON? Just as abuse victims in the mainstream culture, remain within the culture they grew up in, were educated in, were abused in. Thats what he was trained and educated to do - serve in his community. And as far as him not speaking out for so long ... none of us has the right to demand when a victim comes forward to tell his / her story.
R DASI: The author is shooting everyone with rage. I started to know about sex abuses around 10 years ago from internet. Why the author of the post did nothing for so long? He has been abused ... not me or my family members. I really don't care if they have been brainwashed .... and did not speak ... there is no excuse to be silent on such type of crimes.
They knew and they are culprits by their silence. They needed to speak up a long time ago. Victims of abuse in the Church make protests in front of the Church, everyone knows then, the television is there, everyone can see. They should have done that 30 years ago, not wait until now.
S DASA: You're absolutely right, clearly he was programmed and groomed into a leadership position. As a grown man and a leader of a large community in Atlanta, he sure did mislead his congregation and all the devotees he recommended for initiation, this is an extreme disservice intentionally withholding this information for 15 years.
Not what we would call strong ethical leadership. As you can see in his letter he mostly speaks about his personal victimization and really doesn't take any responsibility for victimizing his congregation for 15 years. The whole thing is very sad and extremely corrupt. Better late than never, but also incomplete.
Vedasar Prabhu has been an iskcon leader for over 15 years as Temple president. Obviously, what happened to him was horrible. For 15 years he misled his congregation but has finally found his voice now that he is facing a possibly terminal illness. He is big buddy's with people like Hridayanda (who has multi-million dollars of family wealth) whom he has hosted regularly at the Atlanta Temple and who he recommends devotees for initiation.
He has done the same for Jayapataka, the Mayapur leader, who also has access to millions of dollars also through iskcon. If he asks ... he has more money than he knows what to do with ... or his GBC Guru friends aren't friends at all and will let him twist in the wind as they have so many others.
Notice how in his letter he chooses to not apologize to his Atlanta congregation for misleading them for 15 years. It's easy to be a victim but difficult to admitting to victimizing and cheating others. I hope this will wake up the ISKCON community on how deeply and multi-generationally the pedophile Network and their supporters are entrenched. Whole thing is tragic.
PADA: Some of us knew, for sure. Maybe many people knew. But when we went to the police and FBI, they said they need to produce the actual names of actual victims and make actual recorded police reports, failing that, we need actual named parents of actual named minors to make actual recorded police reports on behalf of their kids, then sure, we will arrest the whole lot of them including the enablers.
S DASA: You're absolutely right, clearly he was programmed and groomed into a leadership position. As a grown man and a leader of a large community in Atlanta, he sure did mislead his congregation and all the devotees he recommended for initiation, this is an extreme disservice intentionally withholding this information for 15 years.
Not what we would call strong ethical leadership. As you can see in his letter he mostly speaks about his personal victimization and really doesn't take any responsibility for victimizing his congregation for 15 years. The whole thing is very sad and extremely corrupt. Better late than never, but also incomplete.
Vedasar Prabhu has been an iskcon leader for over 15 years as Temple president. Obviously, what happened to him was horrible. For 15 years he misled his congregation but has finally found his voice now that he is facing a possibly terminal illness. He is big buddy's with people like Hridayanda (who has multi-million dollars of family wealth) whom he has hosted regularly at the Atlanta Temple and who he recommends devotees for initiation.
He has done the same for Jayapataka, the Mayapur leader, who also has access to millions of dollars also through iskcon. If he asks ... he has more money than he knows what to do with ... or his GBC Guru friends aren't friends at all and will let him twist in the wind as they have so many others.
Notice how in his letter he chooses to not apologize to his Atlanta congregation for misleading them for 15 years. It's easy to be a victim but difficult to admitting to victimizing and cheating others. I hope this will wake up the ISKCON community on how deeply and multi-generationally the pedophile Network and their supporters are entrenched. Whole thing is tragic.
PADA: Some of us knew, for sure. Maybe many people knew. But when we went to the police and FBI, they said they need to produce the actual names of actual victims and make actual recorded police reports, failing that, we need actual named parents of actual named minors to make actual recorded police reports on behalf of their kids, then sure, we will arrest the whole lot of them including the enablers.
Well we could not produce those police reports ourselves, and we still cannot. It is very simple, people who make police reports will then have the whole thing handled by their law enforcement departments -- which have their own child abuse and child welfare departments, with psychologists, experts, social workers, appointed court lawyers, etc. who will help the victims. In other words, they said I have a victimless crime unless there is a filed report.
That is the system, and that was always the judicial system of the West for hundreds of years. And if the Western leaders encouraged someone to send their kids to a foreign land where the child was abused, then they could be charged for aiding and abetting and / or recruiting for a pedophile ring and etc. That also never seems to happen.
Without a police report, that is called a victimless crime, and that is why we were unable to go forward in so many instances. I am not sure why people do not understand the system of justice process, but that is what it is. Is Vedasara going to take legal action? I don't know, but I do know that is the best option, because then the media gets involved and so on and so forth. ys pd
S DASA: Vedasar is in kind of an awkward position ... being a temple president for 15 years encouraging his congregation and disciples he recommended for initiation to participate in the whole mess. I lived in Georgia and he was the local temple president. He is a nice enough young man but if he chose to take legal action I hope he would consult a good attorney first because he may end up implicated in the whole mess.
S DASA: Vedasar is in kind of an awkward position ... being a temple president for 15 years encouraging his congregation and disciples he recommended for initiation to participate in the whole mess. I lived in Georgia and he was the local temple president. He is a nice enough young man but if he chose to take legal action I hope he would consult a good attorney first because he may end up implicated in the whole mess.
GG: Wow. Does anyone realize that so many ISKCON children had their spiritual and maybe even material lives ended by all this? Can anyone actually ask forgiveness ... from the dead? And do the leaders and parents actually realize, who made these children spiritually or even materially dead? Or are they just trying to get a ride over to the pot shop before it closes? You saved a cow, but you did not save your own children, they had to be sacrificied. What kind of priorities are these?
PADA: Correct. Many of the people who would normally make a legitimate legal complaint are compromised. Many think they need to save "the mother church," no matter how rotten it has become, others worry they would implicate themselves in promoting the wrong headed system for years. The upshot is, barely any legal action is ever taken up, and that protects the regime. And that is why many of the children are upset with both their compromised parents, and the bogus church, and they are just telling me "we are the varnasankara." We got help from no quarter. ys pd angel108b@yahoo.com
M Dasi: Lots of outrage everywhere. Lots of action? Not really. Someone told me ... I should have been more outspoken. Sure thing.
ReplyDeleteBut I have the same problem.
I would have to make a legal police compliant for myself, or for someone else ... who gives me legal authority to represent them. Simply me complaining is not going to be very useful. The conclusion is, the leaders, or the victims, or the parents of the victims are the only people who can make official police reports.
The leaders could make legal stay away orders ... for example. But no one wants to really rock the boat too much. Yes it is outrageous. Are you going to file a legal complaint? Not actually.
Never mind then, the mess will go on. Lots of armchair warriors in this battle. They wanted me to move forward into the front lines, while they sit around being outraged ... at the four walls. Outrage needs to translate into action ... otherwise it has no ultimate value.
I understand why a lot of people are angry ... but what they should be doing is organizing actual legal complaints so that things can move forward. There are millions of outraged people all over the planet, but they are not effective at making solutions.
There is plenty of help at the police force if a person complains of sexual assaults of children, they will bring in a team to deal with it. Devotees are simply too lazy to dial 911, they would rather sit and complain. Everyone else dials 911, and makes an official complaint, because they have common sense.
LD: I agree with M Dasi. The main legal leverage is in the hands of the parents and leaders. They can press charges on the perps. It costs them nothing. Around here some people said to me, we cannot afford a class action lawyer. No, but you can dial 911 ... free of charge. And they will get on it with a team of professionals.
ReplyDeleteOr if their child is abused in a foreign land, they can have the temple leaders charged with recruiting for a pedophile ring. Meanwhile a group of victims ... and maybe their friends and parents ... could form a public protest in front of the temple with signs and call the TV people ... it would be a hot story and the TV news would get on it.
Instead, no one does anything useful. And then another child is sucked into the operation. Lord Chaitanya was in favor of peaceful public protests, but His followers are too "love and peace-niks" to do that, except loving a pedophile rings network is misplaced love. You loved the leaders of a pedophile rings network ... and you think that will take you to Vaikuntha?