PADA: Wow. Vedasara was beaten and sexually abused as a child, and he is now dying from brain tumors -- that may likely be related to those beatings. In addition, he has suffered a lifetime of bowel problems because he was raped by members of the Bhakti Vikas swami "guru" program in Mayapur.
See the RELATED story below -- of a mother who found out her two boys had been sodomized in Mayapur, and then she could not find any help there -- despite pounding on many leader's doors. Evidently, no one listened, no one cared.
And these victims are currently "milking victimhood for personal gain." Vedasara is dying, what does he gain from telling the truth? Victims of child abuse are "milking victimhood"? How much worse can it get? ys pd
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SRD: Where do Bhakti Vikash Swami, Basu Ghosh and Krishna Kirti das stand on child protection?
Shortly after Vedasara published his devastating and heart breaking testimony, Krishna Kirti das (KKD) decided to write one of his most foolish and shocking posts to date ... He viciously attacked Vedasara in what appears to be a strange attempt to defend Bhaktivikash Swami (BVKS).
He titled his article “Milking victimhood for personal gain at the expense of BVKS.” What is it exactly that KKD believes Vedasara is gaining from this??? Vedasara's incredibly vulnerable letter gained him public humiliation, shame and abuse from a fool!
He questions the validity of Vedasara's statement that BVKS has supported BVP and poses BVKS as the poor victim! This was amusing, because BVKS's attempts to defend BVP, his use of corporal punishment, and corporal punishment in general are numerous, public and well documented.
Krishna Kirti Das appears unable to understand that his callous and heartless letter speaks volumes about himself. He's showing his true colors for the world to see. For some time now KKD has been acting as the voice of Basu Ghosh and BVKS to do their dirty work.
I was told that BVKS and Basu Ghosh instructed KKD to write this despicable piece. I truly hope this is not true! Basu Ghosh has publicly stated that he believes that it is 'Vedic' to regard a girl after puberty, as a fully grown woman. It is important to consider that girls typically go through puberty somewhere between 8 and 13 years of age.
Does Basu Ghosh really believe that a 10 year old girl that has passed puberty is to be rightly regarded as an adult woman??? This type of radical ideology is deeply concerning, deranged and dangerous. It suggests a sinister and dark mindset that makes him unfit to serve as a leader in Srila Prabhupada's movement.
Basu Ghosh is the temple president for ISKCON Baroda, a member of the Mayapur Executive Board, the highest managerial authority in Sridham Mayapur. It is precisely this type of mindset that has enabled and facilitated much of the (sexual) abuse that was perpetrated against the Vaishnava boys and girls in Mayapur for years together.
Where do the members of the Mayapur Executive Board Anuttama stand on this issue? Some of the other MEB members are Hriday Chaitanya, Jayapataka Swami, Dayaram etc. Basu Ghosh is also the vice-chairman for the ISKCON India Bureau (ICC) the legal entity that controls all the millions of dollars worth of properties owned by ISKCON in India.
Does ISKCON India share the views of Basu Ghosh das? Is ISKCON India happy to be lead by this man? What will happen to the public image of Srila Prabhupada's legacy if Basu Ghosh is allowed to spread his dangerous and perverted ideas?
Basu Ghosh's views pose a very real threat to the welfare and integrity of ISKCON India! I request that Basu Ghosh publicly clarifies his position on this matter. Please find a screenshot of his statement attached below.
It is most concerning that this clearly troubled man is a senior authority for ISKCON India! Over the years, KKD has written a number of letters / articles where he attacks victims of child abuse and defends their aggressors...
He's callously using the most dreadful torture of Vaishnava children to grab a little attention, trying to defend the indefensible. BVKS has been a vocal supporter of BVP since at least the early 2000s, as is demonstrated in the letter he wrote to Dhiragovinda, linked at the bottom of this letter. In his letter he brings up some bad logic and betrays his philosophical misunderstandings to try and defend and minimize BVP and his criminal behavior.
In 2017 I had a lengthy, public exchange with BVKS that was published on the Sampradaya Sun, where he argued for the use of corporal punishment to discipline children. I unsuccessfully attempted to get him to understand the deeply problematic nature of his views.
“Sanaka Rsi Prabhu refers to my "agenda." Here it is: my agenda in this matter is to oppose the one-sided, destructive propaganda against the only disciple of Srila Prabhupada who has dedicated his entire life for children by developing a traditional gurukula in the style that Srila Prabhupada wanted. Anyone who actually cares for children would be delighted to recognize the extraordinary good that Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami has done, rather than trying to drag him down by citing mistakes (even severe mistakes) that he has made”. (BVKS 2017)
“To clarify my present position on corporal punishment in gurukulas: I generally do not recommend it, although in some form it might sometimes be employed. If a child regularly severely misbehaves, and the teachers cannot reform him (due to lack of expertise on their part, or intransigence on the part of the child), then some changes need to be made for the benefit of all concerned. Such changes might include involving more devotees to monitor and counsel the teacher or child, or even removing the teacher or the child or both from the school.
Some will say that the endorsement of any form of corporal punishment of children is endorsement of child abuse. I disagree, and aver that too much lenience can be disastrous – as in the case of a guardian who failed to properly discipline her ward”. (BVKS 2017)
In this exchange BVKS publicly promised that he would 'shortly' write to further clarify his position on the use of corporal punishment on children and to defend Indradyumna Swami's excessive and inappropriate interactions with women and children.
Considering that 6 years later, he still hasn't honored his word and that in the meanwhile he has opened at least one gurukula. Vedasara's concerns for the well being of these children are more than warranted!
BVKS, are the children in your school getting beaten? Given: the public statement endorsing the use of corporal punishment and defending BVP, one of ISKCON's most notorious and degenerate child abusers, and given that as of 2009 the Indian law imposes an absolute ban on the use of corporal punishment on children...
I request BVKS to make a definitive public statement where he reassures the devotee community that absolutely no form of corporal punishment is allowed to be used on the children in his schools!
I also want to make a note to Basu Ghosh and BVKS that using KKD as their attack dog to carry out their dirty work would be both detestable and dishonest. You are engaging him in wholesale Vaishnava Aparada!
I invite KKD to start using whatever intelligence Krsna has given him and avoid blindly following of misguided leaders.
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My testimony from France
I went to Mayapur for the first time in my life in 1985 at the age of 23, with my husband, a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. I don’t remember where we slept in Iskcon Mayapur but one day a devotee, I think she was from USA, arrived with two young boys of about 6 and 8 years old. I have no memory of her name or those of her children.
She was alone with her two children and looked like a deer at bay. I could feel her nervousness, her insecurity, her distress. One day, I approach her and ask her how is she while these two sons are playing in the garden.
She tells me about her immense mental agitation, her deep despair, her impossible return to appeasement. She is in shock. She is shaking, she is crying. She's scared too. Her story freezes me: She came to visit and spend time with her two sons who are at the gurukula in Mayapur. They are not well, they are sad, they are nervous, they don't want to go back to school, they complain of pain in their anus.
At that time, in France, we heard terrible noises, “there would be abused children in the gurukulas ! » She doesn’t believe it, she is terrified. So she took her sons to a pediatrician in Calcutta. The verdict is: her sons have been sodomized.
Devastated, she went to see “the authorities”. How is it possible? I have entrusted my children to you! Who did this to my sons? No response … she knocked on every door, gurukula, teachers, ashram teachers, temple president, GBC.
An answer at last… “There are some problems in the gurukula.” No support, no follow up. Don't talk about it. Don't make a scandal. She speaks, she moves heaven and earth. Not only she doesn’t feel supported or heard, but she doesn’t feel safe. Talk to the local police? What here in India? File a complaint?
Don't smear the reputation of Prabhupada's movement because of a few bad individuals. A common syndrome in institutions, families etc. And Srila Prabhupada apparently said “Iskcon is my body? »
My husband talks to a few god brothers whom he knows and who are there, permanently or on pilgrimage like us. Some minimize and others warn him that opening his mouth here in Mayapur is dangerous! The stories we heard are sordid: corruption at all levels, the construction of the great temple and its influx of donations is a nest for scorpions ready to do anything to take control of it, attempted intimidation, and threats of murder. Some authorities have become like the outward “dacoits” they complain about!
That plus the scandals of the time, the gurus of the zonal acarya system and sannyasas who are droping like flyes make me lose the desire to stay in this place. The mafia and the cover ups are huge. I am very affected by the sight of these two little boys, nothing will be done for them and for their mother, I realize that.
We strongly advise this mother to return to her country as quickly as possible with her children. She cannot expect anything from the institution, neither explanations, nor apologies, nor recognition, nor support. We go to Jaganath Puri where I try hard to find peace. This story has never left my mind. To date, I have not put a foot in Mayapur.
I don't know what happened to this family. My intense regret: not having encouraged this mother more, to go and file a complaint with the police and offer to accompany her. I was maybe still hoping that Iskcon rectify all the shit, and I think myself also influence by the symptom: “Iskcon is my body”.
S S devi
PADA: This is a typical argument we get all the time from GBC people and their sycophants like Dayalu Nita's HKC Jaipur folks / Sanat / Mukunda UK / Prahlad das (Paul Coats) UK / Prahlad's pal Bhakta Peter / Kamsahanta / Naranarayan Visvakarma / Pancali etc. "ISKCON is Srila Prabhupada's body." Which ISKCON is that -- may I ask? You mean the people whose program has evidently poisoned their guru -- and mass molested his kids is -- "the golden body of Srila Prabhupada," as members of their group informed me over and over?
Essentially they are arguing, "PADA is trying to stop our mass sodomy and beatings of children, and subsequent suicides of victims process. Even worse!!! He is alarming the parents -- causing hundreds of kids to be pulled from our sacred GBC "guru's schools," so their kids won't potentially get sodomized and beaten, and then die of suicide. How horrible is that? And he is causing ISKCON to spend millions, all of which is destroying "the golden body of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON."
And I am making TONS of money from all this myself? Ummm, there is no record of me taking a cent from these lawsuits? Nor would I want one contaminated cent from them. Assuming I made ten million dollars from all this, are we saying industrial level sodomy and beating of children is authorized, because PADA is "making money" opposing that process?
What does my personal money status have to do with opposing a child oppressing cult? Rather these guys should have donated me ten million dollars -- so I would be able to dispurse those funds to the victims of their process.
In short, they want people to worship their favorite child sodomy and child beating program, where the sodomizers and beaters are sometimes worshiped as saints and maybe gurus, and have me -- join them -- and call that "the golden body of ISKCON"? Srila Prabhupada says ISKCON is supposed to be Vaikuntha, and they want to introduce their industrial level sodomy and beating of children guru programs -- into Vaikuntha? No wonder they are not welcome in Vaikuntha and they are rotting here! You can take the drunk out of the gutter, but you cannot take the gutter out of the drunk.
Then they say -- ISKCON is losing money -- and PADA is all about money. Right, we forgot that they worship shekels and not Krishna.
Boo hoo!!! And since we at least somewhat shut the door on their wonderful industrial strength child sodomy and child beating program, in the holy dham no less, they are protesting against PADA. OK wait, I am supposed to support children -- being industrial levels sodomized and beaten -- or else I am harming Krishna's movement? I would like to say I am making this up, but I ain't. Oh yeah, their favorite line, PADA is a liar. And that is how they enabled all this for 45 years.
The good news is, enough people are done with them now, and the wind is blowing into the sails of PADA. Did I forget to mention, their ill gotten shekels stay here when they depart? And when they depart here, they stay with their Sodom and Gomorrah sampradaya here, they do not go to Krishna.
But even with or without anyone else supporting us on this condemned God forsaken Kali yuga planet, PADA is always eternally 100% correct full time and all the time, a Sodom and Gomorrah guru program is bogus. Yep. Always. Eternally. That will always be true for the rest of time, even ten thousand trillion years from now, with or without support from any amount of foolish conditioned souls. The truth is always the truth. And more people are accepting it, whether our opponents like it or not.
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krishna1008: HKC Jaipur (Dayalu Nitai) History Revision Question
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DD: Anirdesya Vapu’s crimes weren’t particularly well hidden. News of the abuse was leaking everywhere. People knew. They turned a blind eye. Red flags were ignored. So many investigations and no one in leadership seemed to think “maybe something needs looking into here.” People walked in on him in compromising situations but said nothing, did nothing. He enacted his reign of terror against children for decades with total impunity. And even now he continues to evade justice - gaslighting from afar - comfortable in his freedom, smarting that people speak ill of him - whilst his victims try to pick up the pieces of their lives.There’s a reckoning due. This is not a threat of violence - merely an acknowledgement that he and the leaders who enabled and turned a blind eye - have some consequences catching up with them.
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PADA: Oh no it is the multiple guru program ... hee hee
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Yep, Los Angeles ISKCON is another big patron of the Mayapur Molester Messiah's project. Jayapataka is their hero king there. Sorry, the real Lord Nrsimha is never going to be pleased with you guys, because He has zero tolerance for your child abusers process.
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