Saturday, December 1, 2018

Karnamrita das cancer therapy vs ISKCON's cancer problem

Srila Prabhupada..."one who is mischievous, he is culprit. But one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But... if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal. Morning Walk -- Los Angeles, May 3, 1973


Karnamrita Das


Some people think that the existence of the soul and God, what to speak of a relationship between them, is delusional and unproductive. Others may doubt that one can have a spiritual practice to understand them, or that the Ultimate Unlimited Absolute is personal in its highest aspect, what to speak of being Krishna. 

[PADA: Sulochana called these type people "the goody two shoes program." They made it look like we were the fanatics for protesting the banning, beating, molesting, embezzling, crimes, drug selling, if not murders going on under the GBC's regime. We had to "make nice" with the bad guys and "cooperate" with them, or at least not protest very vociferously, as the ISKCON ship was being guided into the ice berg. 

Yes. Everything is personal. As such -- we need to connect with the personal representative of Krishna, and not make a program of promoting false representatives. The Tripurari swami program (Saragrahi) promotes Sridhara Maharaja, founder father of the post-1936 bi-sexual acharya's imbroglio, and he was later on a big cheer leader of the bogus GBC's 11 "gurus." Worse, he said "none should protest" their alleged guru's self evident deviations. 

Why do we need to promote the founder fathers of various bogus guru programs? Saragrahi also means "refined gentleman," not sure why Sridhara's false guru programs -- which produces banning, beating, sexual predatory acharyas, lawsuits -- and murders is claimed to be a "gentlemanly" process? Sulochana called them "the velvet glove that hides the iron fist."   

And! This minimizes the bona fide guru parampara. 

In fact Sridhara Maharaja writes: acharyas "go mad" after money, women and followers. Where is the respect for the guru parampara by saying it is sometimes (or many times?) populated by mad fools -- who are chasing money, chasing women's skirts, chasing to obtain numbers of worshipers and followers and maybe -- orchestrating crimes including murders of dissenters? And why would we juxtapose such foolishness with a "guru parampara from God"?] 

Gurus go mad?

"Better to associate with sense enjoyers for in this world there is no worse association than the dharmadvaji. The deceitful dharmadvajis accept the external signs of dharma with a desire to cheat the world, and to fulfill their crooked desires they cheat the foolish by helping them in their rascaldom. Some of them become gurus and others become disciples, and by trickery they accumulate wealth, women, false prestige and material assets. If one gives up the association of such crooked hypocrites, then he can honestly engage in devotional service. Honest worship is the only way to obtain Krsna’s mercy".

("Bhaktyaloka", Jana-Sanga,p.21) 


KD: Or those on the path of bhakti for many decades may doubt that they can make much advancement in this lifetime, but hope against hope for a miracle at the time of death. We find in the world so many opinions, some well-reasoned, others full of emotionalism, negative, positive, regretful, or so many combinations that may dissuade one from spiritual practice or the determination to give one’s whole being, heart and soul.

[PADA: Well yes, the Tripurari program of promoting false gurus emptied out the Gaudiya Matha's temples and later on emptied out ISKCON's temples. So this is just like a cancerous disease attacking Vaishnavism -- and in turn, ISKCON. One by one -- by one -- the devotees left -- just like the healthy body cells are killed off -- one by one -- by the cancer disease. A gurukuli we know says he cannot think of even one of his ex-kuli friends now living in ISKCON at the moment. So the process of making false gurus "dissuades one from spiritual practice." No kidding! And the bad media publicity their program generates dissuades millions of people from participating. 

Worse! To say that children need to worship sexual predators and deviants as their acharyas will get them to become mortified with the religion, and leave. Its called "killing the soul" in the Vedas, atma hana. In sum, cancer picks off one cell at a time, and this false guru program picks off one victim here and there at a time. Same process: this person leaves, that person leaves, the children leave, and so on and so forth And this process alienates the devotees and their children from the religion -- one person at a time. Its just like a cancer tumor taking over the healthy body by killing off one cell at a time.]

KD: Sometimes well-meaning friends, family, or those brothers and sisters on our bhakti path who are disillusioned with fallen leaders or their guru, can be our worst advisors or critics. Some people never heal from their painful past traumas, betrayal, or disappointments, and remain looking backward, and not to true empowering possibilities. 

[PADA: Well yes, by the GBC's and their allies like Sridhara Maharaja cramming the worship of deviants down the throats of the hapless citizens of ISKCON, many / most people lost faith in the institution and left. No kidding! What other result could we expect? This is exactly what Sridhara Maharaja generated after 1936, he created mass faithlessness in Vaishnavism with his false guru process.]

KD: As the saying goes, misery enjoys company. 

[PADA: How true. Sridhara Maharaja made a miserable condition out of the Gaudiya Matha with his empowering fools as his acharyas. Then there was subsequent banning, beating, lawsuits and murders after 1936 and in particular the 1940s -- and after all that, the GBC went over to the leader of this misery making program and adopted his system for ISKCON after 1978. Misery loves company indeed! Deviants also love other deviants, especially those who empower such deviants in the post of guru and messiah.]

KD: How much such opinions affect us depends on our mind’s orientation to react or respond based on how much spiritual experience or faith in our path we have, or haven’t. And so it is with alternative cancer treatments, since many well meaning doctors think it is all snake oil. 

[PADA: Yep, worship of deviants is being promoted as divine, but its snake oil salesmen.]

KD: As I like to tell those recently diagnosed with cancer, do your homework and hear from those who have gone for conventional and alternative treatment. Talk to real people!

[PADA: Big problem here apparently, these folks never seem to talk to some of us victims of their policy of making fools into messiahs? They just plod onwards rubber stamping one wave of deviants after 1936, and then making another wave of deviants after 1977, and then another wave, and another wave and so on. And now Tripurari has become simply another Jesus-wanna be messiah who thinks he can absorb sins as a diksha guru. Ooops, Srila Prabhupada says when a conditioned soul takes sins, he has to suffer, he cannot absorb those sins. That is one reason these false messiahs are "destined for the most obnoxious regions" where they have to work off all the sins they accumulated.]

KD: Despite appearances to some, I am one of those devotees who has lived as a casual, or “religious” devotee (which means just doing the basics and not really fully applying oneself to the process both internally and externally), for most of my decades of practice, and in fact I have this as my general default setting—which I would wager is true for many older devotees.

[PADA: Well right, a lot of the people Sridhara Maharaja rubber stamped as "messiah like gurus" are simply "fair to middling" neophytes, at best. If not, they are those who may be found watching football, watching porno, smoking pot, taking LSD, gambling in Reno, shooting at beer cans with shot guns, shooting at occupied buildings with four loaded guns, drinking Vodka, dating minor aged females, running off to hear bogus babajis, engaging in oral sex with men, and who knows what else.]  

KD: I share this as a warning for younger devotees and a possible wake-up call for those devotees in old or pre-old age. While bhakti is a path of grace, there is much we can do to be in the right consciousness to attract it.

[PADA: Right consciousness is the key, and it will attract the same. Indeed. So if we worship deviants, sexual predators, criminals and so on, we will attract same. Is this how ISKCON became full of sexual predators, criminals, and so forth, they attracted those types?] 

KD: My current life situation, traveling to Vrindavan for Ayurvedic (and spiritual) treatment, is another proverbial fork in the road--yes, I said this at the beginning of my cancer journey three years ago, and yet, it seems to be a fork within a fork, or a large bump, in the road where I must choose how to spend each moment, day, week, and year I have been blessed to live. Doing nothing different, or not acting, is also a kind of choice.

We are, and we become, what we think about and are focused on, absorbed in. 

[PADA: Correct, Sridhara Maharaja promoted a false acharya in 1936 and dissenters were banned, beaten, sued and assassinated. Then he promoted more false acharyas after 1977, ditto results. He became what he was focused on, and so did others under his influence. 

Imagine this, Sridhara Maharaja encouraged ISKCON's devotees and even little children to worship his illicit sex with men, women and children guru's program -- on the hope that what, they would become what they worshiped? Why would any sane human being want little children to worship their illicit sex debauchees as acharyas program, knowing that people become what they worship? Krishna says in the Gita we become what we worship -- therefore, lets get all the people of the world to worship our debauchees -- as their messiahs. Then we can convert the whole human society into becoming degraded debauchees?]

KD: Our thoughts, feelings, focus, and faith is where the power of life is, giving us vitality and dynamism, or lethargy or depression. Do we expect life events or situations to work out, or do we bemoan our fate that we seem to “always” attract bad things or relationships? The process of change or transformation is based on understanding this fact of life, and acting accordingly.

[PADA: Correct, by promoting deviants as acharyas, the dynamism was lost and lethargy and depression evolved. And from that depression, many fatal ailments began to appear in the individual and collective bodies of ISKCON citizens? Srila Prabhupada says stress can bring on illness, and apparently, it has.] 

KD: Is a stormy day (physically or emotionally) -- or fill in the blank -- good or bad? People in the same situation have remarkably different perceptions of it. Admittedly, my wife and I are both positivity types, and we have adopted a philosophy of life based on the understanding that whatever happens to us is meant for our highest good. Though we believe this is a spiritual truth based on our life experiences, even if you believe this is only a psychological view, we find that what is expected tends to be realized. In other words, our life world view creates a life focus, and what we look for or notice, whether positive or negative. Is it a calamity or opportunity?

And so it is, that for me, as I have often shared, cancer is Krishna’s loving embrace and supreme mercy and kindness, and I am praying to take full advantage of it -- do, or just fade away. So many blessings have come from cancer, and getting to travel to Vrindavana is another huge one.

Prayer is my secret power, and whatever I may accomplish is based on prayer to lovingly, joyful surrender and be emptied out of everything unfavorable for spiritual progress, and to give, and share that in every place I travel to, in person, or through my writing. I am grateful for the inspiration I feel to write and share what is most essential to me, and though I may waver or trip, I am praying to do my best and keep getting up, and that Gaura and Nitai and their agents, will make my ideals a reality. Let us see!

Better to endeavor to be outstanding, then to just get by--been there, done that--let us look up at what we can become and not down into the mud of the past! And your prayers and blessings will help me go forward and to share that. Thank you!

[PADA: Well this is all well and good, but it does not explain why so many of our God brothers "went along to get along" with the debauchee acharya's program, and began to promote the biggest orchestrators of these deviations like Sridhara Maharaja, and his clone Tripurari swami. Now, we have reduced the status of acharyas to fallen debauchees, and then people wonder why they or their society is suffering? 

Therefore our conclusion is, the reason there has been an epidemic of fatal ailments among so many of the original ISKCON devotees -- at or around 60 years old (if they make it that far) is, that they have some background psychological disordered issues, including a sort of creeping depression etc. -- that affects their well being. And that is because they supported deviations instead of the right process. Or what? 

Meanwhile I know of regular ordinary people (the karmis?) who are 80 or more years old, and they are still ticking along better than a number of these "great devotees." And this does not include untimely departures of devotees from intoxication overloads such as heroin or alcohol poisoning, a few murders, AIDS, some suicides -- including among ex-gurukula victims, and so on and so forth. This is not normal, and we should not present this as normal society to try to perpetuate this unnatural condition. 

Something is wrong. And we would say, making a society based on replacing Srila Prabhupada as the guru with fools, deviants, sexual predators, molesters, drunkards, drug addicts, criminals and so on -- has caused a big problem for the citizens of that society, even if they are not aware of the problem directly. In sum, its also affecting them indirectly. And its affecting the perps, their cheer leaders, and the victims of the regime all together in different aspects. Therefore Srila Prabhupada says, we need to be vigilant and make sure his process is followed, or else we will suffer, and the society as a whole will suffer. 

Anyway, we hate to kick a person when he is down but, it always amazes us how these people can see a few problems, but they cannot see that they are nourishing the root of the problems by helping a program to promote deviants as God's successors. Its no surprise then -- that there is an epidemic of physical and mental problems in that society, in fact, we should expect same. Anyway, good luck with your cancer treatment. Lets hope you have more luck than the many victims of the program your folks supported have had.  

ys pd]


Prabhupāda: ...become an exemplary gosvāmī to give fight to the gosvāmīs here. You are..., how many years you are in Vṛndāvana? Huh? How many years you are here?
Gurudāsa: Two and half years.
Prabhupāda: Two and a half years. Now you should represent Rūpa Gosvāmī, and you should challenge them, "You are not gosvāmī; I am gosvāmī." But you have to be exemplary. Do you know what is the definition of gosvāmī?
Gurudāsa: One who works hard for Kṛṣṇa day and night and one who controls his senses.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the first thing. Vāco vegaṁ krodha-vegam udara-vegam upastha-vegaṁ manasa-vegam, etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt (NOI 1). One who can control these kinds of urges, vāco vegam, talking nonsense—that is called vāco vegam. Krodha-vegam, anger. Urges of the mind. Mind dictates, "Do this, do that." Then udara-vegam, eating vegam. "Eat more, more, more." Udara-vegam. Upastha-vegam: genital. When one can control these six vegān, urges, then he is fit for becoming gosvāmī, and he can make śiṣya all over—śiṣya, disciple—all over the world. 

Pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. This is gosvāmī. Not that a business. (Hindi) Is there any mention Bhāgavata-saptāha in the Bhāgavatam? There are so many big, big commentators. They have never recommended. But this business is going on. They are holding Bhāgavata-saptāha and bringing money and employing it for the sons', daughters' marriage very opulently. And the..., their supporters, they're also invited. They say, "Oh, here is a gosvāmī." This is going on here. (break) ...of gosvāmī, there is not a single gosvāmī. At least visible. Where is that vāco vegaṁ krodha-vegam udara upastha-vegam (NOI 1) control? And where is that pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt, all worldwide?

Gurudāsa: Yes, disciples...
Prabhupāda: (chuckles) Ah, where is that? Śiṣya.
Devotee: You are.
Prabhupāda: I may be whatever I am. That's all. But this is the definition of gosvāmī. Besides that, there are other, many things. nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau / lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau / rādhā-kṛṣṇa-padāravinda-bhajanānandena-mattālikau / vande rūpa-sanā...

So nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇa. One must be very conversant all kinds of śāstras. And what for? For establishing real religion. Real religion is this: sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). Why there are other religions existing? That means there is no gosvāmīs. Gosvāmī... If there is gosvāmī, he should stop functioning all other rascal religions. Simply this: mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja, that religion. That is religion. And all bogus thing. 

A gosvāmī has to prove that. Nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-ni..., lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau. Why? For the benefit of the whole human society. Therefore they should be honored. Tri-bhuvane mānyau. Not that within some neighborhood. All over the world. Tri-bhuvane. That is gosvāmī. What is this gosvāmī? Tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau. He is fit to take shelter of. A cheating gosvāmī, cheating gosvāmī is no good.
Gurudāsa: I also... I also, the first day checked the pāṇḍā out because he wouldn't eat prasādam with us. He said, "I am Vaiṣṇava. I cannot eat amongst you." So I said, "Then we cannot hear from you. Go immediately." The first day.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. That's all right.
Devotee: He wanted to go and have tea. (break)
Prabhupāda:, but not your prasāda.
Gurudāsa: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Money's pure. (laughter) And prasāda, because it is offered to Kṛṣṇa, it is impure. Just see their argument. Money is pure. Even you can give me with your hand as much as you like. Because it is pure, I'll take it. And so far prasāda is concerned, because it is offered to Kṛṣṇa, therefore I cannot take it. (break) Oh, yes. She has got the power. Shaktimati Sar. Some... The police commissioner has remarked, "This bhajana is nuisance." So we have to agitate. There are so many Vaiṣṇavas. Bhajana is nuisance? Eh?

Indian lady: It's my life.
Prabhupāda: So there must be some big agitation to drive away this man. The demand should be that "This man should be immediately removed. He has focused a sarcastic remark on a very pure religious system." This movement should be started. He must be removed immediately.

Balavanta: We can hold protest marches downtown.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Gurudāsa: Large. Large-scale protest marches.
Balavanta: All the Vaiṣṇavas will come with us.

Prabhupāda: Yes. You have to organize all... There are many Vaiṣṇavas. Huh? In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, satataṁ kīrtayanto mām (BG 9.14): one has to chant "Kṛṣṇa" always. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu: kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ (CC Adi 17.31). And this rascal is saying "Nuisance." So it is not possible to invoke an agitation against this? What right he has got to say nuisance? He could have spoken in a sweet language, that "The bhajana may be very good for the devotees, but it creates disturbance to the others. Therefore we cannot allow." I say like that. But they cannot still stop bhajana. But he has remarked the bhajana: "Nuisance." This very word will kill him if you make proper agitation.

Gurudāsa: That means the whole government is feeling that way. Otherwise he would not feel strong in saying it.
Prabhupāda: That is a fact, but we have to become strong.
Gurudāsa: Yes. We must defeat them all.
Balavanta: We can mainly single out him.

Prabhupāda: Eh?
Balavanta: We can mainly single him out for now and protest against him, make him the example.
Gurudāsa: Make an example of him.

Balavanta: (aside, explaining to others:) The man in Bombay, government leader. He's a nuisance.
Prabhupāda: There are many parties in Bombay, kīrtana parties. You have to organize them and bring them. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Create this nuisance. And Maharashtra is the country of Tukaram. He organized kīrtana. Still the Tukaram kīrtana parties are there. Viṭṭhala. Viṭṭhala means Kṛṣṇa. An ideal gosvāmī should remain here to challenge these false gosvāmīs. But if you also become false, then you cannot challenge. (break) ...ducks have come, we can talk with them. Mr. Gupta, your batakhs, they have come. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa! Jayo. (Hindi)
Morning Walk - Vrndavana March 17, 1974

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