Poison issue is factual (ISKCON) ys pd

From: Maha Visnudas <http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=anantsesa@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Poison Issue is 100% Factual

The Poison Issue is 100% Factual

 

By  Disciples and Humble Followers of Our Beloved Founder Acarya Of Iskcon- Srila Prabhupada

 

 

What follows is a Transcript of the background of English conversations between Bhavananda and Tamal Krishna on Nov 10th 1977 in Vrndavana,(77/11/10/RCVRNMP3) while the Kaviraj (Indian doctor)  is conversing with Srila Prabhupada in Hindi.

 

Please pay special attention to the background English conversations going on between Bhavananda  and Tamal, despite the loud Hindi speech from the Kaviraj in the very beginning.

 

 

Bhavananda: ( in low whisper mode, simultaneously while the Kaviraj is speaking his very first and one sentence in loud Hindi)

 

 “Prabhupada is trying to trap us”

 

 

Tamal Krishna: (in louder clearer mode, practically on the level of a low sound conversation, simultaneously while the Kaviraj is speaking his second and third sentences in loud Hindi)

 “ Put the poison , Put the Poison in different containers, that’s all, its alright, - - - -  no other way”

Tamal Krishna:  (in louder clearer mode, practically on level of a low sound conversation)

 “Ultimately what Prabhupada decides, we will do”

Bhavananda:  Indistinct

Tamal Krishna:( in louder clearer mode, practically on level of a low sound conversation)

“ Yeah, but it goes on, as Prabhupada goes on, his disciples also go on”.

Please click here for the highlighted sound background conversations between Tamal Krishna to Bhavananda  ( If on Windows Media Player, MP3 CD timer is on 34:06 – 34:42)

Please click here for the original normal sound background conversations between Tamal Krishna to Bhavananda   ( If on Windows Media Player, MP3 CD timer is on 34:06 – 34:42)

The above particular audio portions of the conversations between Tamal Krishna and Bhavananda are yet the clearest and most easy to identify sound vibration proof regarding Tamal Krishna Maharaj and Bhavananda’s involvement in poisoning Srila Prabhupada. Indeed these above audio sounds are practically in the category of low sound conversations (rather than faint whispers), which can be heard by the naked ear, provided one takes a little time to pay some attention. There is absolutely no need for a forensic examination for these particular conversations to convince the Devotee world, or for that matter any open minded Karmi. These above audios are comparatively even clearer than the famous low sound whisper, namely “ Put some poison in the milk”, by Tamal Krishna, which is found in the beginning of this CD. Still, many devotees can also even hear this one, provided they also take the time and pay special attention to do so.  

Srila Prabhupada always used to say that when something is clear, it does not need to be interpreted. Unfortunately, as ill fate would have it, the GBC and some early proponents of the poison issue in the past several years claimed that the above audio conversations after being sent to a forensic sound laboratory for tests came out as Tamal Krishna saying  “Posing different opinions”  instead of  “Put the Poison, Put the Poison in different containers, that’s all, its alright - - - no other way “. However anyone with a little commonsense/half a brain knows that this is an absolutely ridiculous proposal.  Even a 10 year old retarded child will laugh at this proposal that the above sound vibrations in the conversation of Tamal to Bhavananda is “Posing different opinions” rather than “Put the Poison, Put the Posion in different containers, that’s all, its alright- - -  no other way “. Indeed the GBC and some early proponents of the poison issue, by foolishly falling in this trap of different opinions rather than basic common sense have contributed to one of the many reasons leading to the unecessary delay, stalling and confusion on the whole investigation of the poison issue for many years. Spiritual justice is unnecessarily being blocked for our beloved Founder Acarya Srila Prabhupada.

The GBC and some other devotees foolishly imply by their above example that from now on if every low sound conversations between devotees and Srila Prabhupada, after being examined by the forensic laboratory comes out as something totally opposite and irrevelant to what is actually being spoken, then we should accept their conclusion as final. Thus it is they who are at fault of actually posing different opinions from general common sense. Therefore we appeal to all readers after hearing these above audio sound conversations by Tamal Krishna and Bhavananda, for their feedback on whether they are what we have clearly mentioned, or whether they are the nonsense stupid version as presented by the GBC./some other devotees,

The above audio recordings comes up after many devotees, including the Kaviraj’s proposals to Srila Prabhupada to not go out on Parikram have been defeated and smashed by Srila Prabhupada. The Kaviraj (in Hindi ) makes one last try by joking that if Srila Prabhupada is so determined to go, he should order Kuvera (the demigod)  to bring his flower airplane, so that Srila Prabhupada can use it for the Parikrama. The Kaviraja then very humbly submits that Srila Prabhupad’s body, being a temple of the Lord made of the five elements is at present not fit to go out on the Parikrama, and by doing so will certainly further destroy his already weak body. The Kaviraj further says that actually under normal circumstances nobody should dare to even propose to Srila Prabhupada NOT to go out for Parikrama, and anyone who dares so wll take heavy reaction. However, because of Srila Prabhupad’s special state of health, the Kaviraj dares to do so.

Thus seeing Srila Prabhupad’s strong determination to leave the room and go out on Parikrama, and having smashed everyones proposal as to why he should not go out,, Bhavananda starts to panic, and  speaks to Tamal Krishna the above audio recording  “Prabhupada is trying to trap us,”  . Bhavananda is hinting to Tamal that Prabhupada seems well aware of their plan to keep him in his room and obstruct him from going out on Parikrama, and Prabhupada could be aware that they are both trying to poison him. Thus by Srila Prabhupada being able to go out, he is setting up a trap for both of them.

Tamal Krishna immediately replies in a so call cool, but calculated manner, to Bhavananda, implying that since this is the case , since they cannot stop Srila Prabhupada from going out on Parikrama,( “Ultimately what Prabhupada decides, we will do”)  then the best solution is to – “ Put the poison, Put the poison in different containers , thats all, its alright- - - no other way”.  By this statement one can clearly understand that Tamal Krishna was the ringleader in the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada, and is now reassuring Bhavananda (who is simply a toy puppet following Tamal Krishna), not to panic, with the words ”Its alright”.  That even if Srila Prabhupada does go out, and they may not have such an easy chance as before, they will still be able to continue to poisoning him, once the poison is “put in different containers”. Because the poison was to be put in different containers, thus being spread out, it would still be easy to get access to, and the poisoning business would go on.

Tamal Krishna also reluctantly, and having no other choice, is accepting the point by speaking  “Ultimately what Prabhupada decides, we will do”,  but yet very demoniacally, and not at all befitting a true disciple makes the next obnoxious statement “ Yeah, but it goes on, as Prabhupada goes on, his disciples also go on”. Readers, please  judge the mentality of such a ‘disciple’. Indeed it is the same competitive mood that we all have with Krsna and which has led us all to leave the Spiritual world and come down to this rotten material world, and which Srila Prabhupada describes as our sinful desire to be the competitor of Krsna, instead of his servant. By this statement, Tamal Krishna is competing in his typical independent mood with the pure representative of Krsna, with the challenging words “ as Prabhupada goes on, his disciples also go on”.

For hearing the whisper by Tamal Krishna to Bhavananda of “Put some Poison in the Milk”, one can click here for the audio sound (If on Windows Media Player, MP3 CD timer is on 4:09- 4:13)

To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click here  or   http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh