Hare Krsna to all
Glories to Srila Prabhupada
Below we have here more valuable information which confirms the principles of bona fide initiation vs. non bonafide and the symptoms by which one can judge for himself.
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharj writes in the book Brahmana and Vaisnava....
..."If an initiated person has not undergone the sacred thread ceremony, then according to the statement of Brhaspati, a compiler of Dharma sastra, he has simply transgressed religious principles. The scriptures state that after receiving initiation one becomes twice born. If this was not so, then it is to be concluded that he has certainly not been properly initiated. If one is properly initiated then the results must come. A cause is known by its effects. If one claims to be a Vaisnava guru while neglecting the tat tenaiva vinirdiset verse, ("he should be accepted according to those symptoms of classification" statement of Srimad Bhagavatam 7.11.35), then he should be rejected. This is the purport of the scriptures.
One who assumes the dress and position of an acarya, who speaks against conclusions of Srimad Bhagavatam and other scriptures or who performs kirtan opposed to the proper glorification of Sri Krsna, certainly goes to hell for countless lifetimes along with his disciples and whoever else hears such non devotional talks and kirtans...."
The above reference to SB is here---SB 7.11.35--
If one shows the symptoms of being a brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya or sudra, as described above, even if he has appeared in a different
class, he should be accepted according to those symptoms of
And in Srila Prabhupadas purport to SB......
SB 8.20.1 Purport
Anyone who is supposed to be a guru but who goes against the
If one has
falsely accepted such a guru, one should reject him. Such a guru isdescribed as follows (Mahabharata, Udyoga 179.25):
guror apy avaliptasya
Srila Jiva Gosvami has advised that such a useless guru, a family
priest acting as guru, should be given up, and that the proper,
bona-fide guru should be accepted.
knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of
By a false
display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional
service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this
way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators
of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas,
the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana--"One must worship the acarya"--and
Krsna's statement in the ▼Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam,
"This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic
succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves
become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles
of the acaryas.
These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society.
Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by
the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious
demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the
Sri Isopanisad confirms that
these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place
in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master
business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.
SB 1.19.37 P The Appearance of Sukadeva Gosvami
Unless one is perfectly anxious to inquire about the way of
perfection, there is no necessity of approaching a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not a kind of decoration for a householder.
Generally a fashionable materialist engages a so-called spiritual
master without any profit. The pseudo spiritual master flatters the
so-called disciple, and thereby both the master and his ward go to
hell without a doubt. Maharaja Pariksit is the right type of disciple because he puts forward questions vital to the interest of all men,
particularly for the dying men. The question put forward by Maharaja
Pariksit is the basic principle of the complete thesis of Srimad-Bhagavatam.
CONCLUSIONS--So many come in Kali yuga and claim they are Guru--but the Srimad Bhagavatam
says one should judge these persons by their behavior first, then such persons can be classified as Brahmana, Ksatryia or whatever, etc. If one sees that a person who is claiming to be Vaisnava guru doesn't even chant 16 rounds, the minimum given by his own Guru, then what kind of guru is he? If this same or similar person has also been found to be engaged in sinful acts, then how is he Guru?
Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaj also states that if one has been considered to be initiated by a bona fide guru then the symptoms in the disciple should manifest, namely brahminical behavior. Effect should follow proper cause. Yet if we see that so many of the new "disciples' of this modern age, dont even chant Hare Krsna mantra, or follow the 4 regulative principles, then this simply means that person from whom they took "initiation" was not a bona fide guru in the first place. I read one story of a devotee who sat in on a discussion of some iskgurus who were saying that practically all of their disciples fall away in 2-3 years so get as much (money) out of them as soon as you can. This is the mentality of a family priest not a Vaisnava Acarya.
So after these two types of cheaters come together for some guru-disciple business, then what happens? Sastra states that the bogus guru and the bogus disciple both go to hell. Not a very pretty picture is it?