Sunday, June 26, 2011

A debate about ISKCON gurus with PADA. ys pd Sun 06/26/11

DEAR PADA, YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB EXPOSING THIS GURUS AND MANY OTHERS
YOU MIGHT SAVE MANY PEOPLE FROM WASTING YEARS OF THEIR LIFE SLAVING FOR SOME OF THESES A**HOLES. BUT YOU ARE UNWILLING TO CRITISISE PRABHUPAD WHOSE SEMINAL TEACHINGS ON HOMOSEXUALITY ..WOMEN...AND MANY MORE SUBJECT WAS PLAIN WRONG ... AND WAS THE BASIS FOR ABUSES IN ISKCON. BUT YOU DID GIVE ME THE DESIRES TO EXPOSE IN MY OWN MORE COMPASSIONATE WAY ... SOME OF THEM I KNOW PERSONALLY 1969 EXPOSE WITH COMPASSION. divinebrightlight

PADA: Prabhupada was right, these anti-women and pro-homsex child molester people are a big problem. That is correct, they are the main problem. He said they are a problem, and they are? ys pd

OM: really disgusting video. Uploaded by some fool. How can u make such allegations without proof? Why not swamy is in jail? So stop your dirty mouth. omthetruth

PADA: The story of Radhanatha's empire at New Vrndavana was in all the media in the usa, can't you read a newspaper? ys pd

OM: It was in newspaper but was it proved. Acts which you are doing is making people away from Krishna. Many people lives have been changed because of Radhanath. How much u trust media? Media also praised him on his book journey home. Don't play your false propaganda here without proofs. Radhanath swamy is still not in jail that is the proof. Dalai lama, Mother Teresa and many yogis of himalayas praised him.So why anyone should hear from you? omthetruth

PADA: I did not turn anyone away from Krishna, Radhanatha supported Kirtanananda's criminal empire which murdered people and they would have murdered me if the police had not saved me. Radhanatha goons were chasing me with baseball bats and the police saved me. I do not need to trust the media, I was there and I know what happened. Radhanatha's empire was raided by the police and they found out I was right, that's all. ys pd

OM: I don't know weather I am eligible enough to say something to you. But this is Vaishnav Apradh if any one person is deviated from krishna. Prabhupad had told that if any thing happens in future ur chantting and kirtana will save you. Here only I can pray to krishna so that no one can deviate from Krishna as I can see comments against Krishna. Please pray to krishna and leave everything to him. omthetruth

PADA: Yes, one idiot devotee told me this in 1980, leave it to Krishna. Then his little boy came in the house with dogs stools on his shoes and this man began screaming at the child to get out of the house. Your idea that it is ok to let stools all over your carpet because Krishna will clean it up, this is foolish. Krishna is not your carpet cleaner, you have to clean it yourself. You are an idiot, Krishna will clean your carpet? ys pd

OM: Earlier I had doubt on Maharaj but your answer which is full of anxiety, anger and envy shows u r fake person. U have personal envy with Radhanath then go and file a case but don't go on youtube pasting videos which makes people rebelious of Krishna.Also,earlier I thought you are a devotee but you are not. Why should I hear from you. All true devotees which I have met are with Radhanath and so I am also. It is like understanding truth from a criminal. True hearted devotee love him so I.
omthetruth

PADA:
File a case against what? We had New Vrndavana raided by the police and the whole place was invaded by a SWAT team in 1986. We had them sued for $400,000,000 for their molesting in 1999, the Federal courts ruled against New Vrndavana in 1980, and so on and so forth, the courts have already ruled against Radhanatha's regime? Can't you read a newspaper, it was in all the newspapers, there was a book Monkey On A stick, and so forth, the police, FBI, Federal Marhshalls, Sheriff, the courts, already spoke here?

Gigmaster: Why these people bother to comment with their nonsense, Pada is right here, it is all true, i am not Ritvik but i would never take any Iskcon Guru MsGigmaster

SVD: Aytime a sincere devotee tries to do something good in this world, people like this pada will be there to criticize and discourage. such people like pada are the greatest menace to society misleading the people by circulating false propaganda because their consciousness is so polluted they have nothing good to give or say. I feel sorry for such people. svd108

MASTA: Whoever made this video about Radhanatha is a f***ing idiot, i know Radhanath Swami personally, and i am very close to him ... he is the most amazing, most humble, most intelligent amazing soul, ive ever met....he is a very pure soul...this is blasphemy !!!! !!!!!!!!!!this is total bulls*** disinformation !!!!!!!!!! whoever made this video can go to hell !!!!! MastaBuildas

PADA: MastaBuilda, Radhanatha has been the biggest supporter of the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile messiahs regime. If youre his supporter, then you are a supporter of his agenda. Incidentally, Radhanatha's messiah bothers like Umapati and Param Gati were recently removed for homosexual aggression on young men disciples (a form of pedophilia), they are ALL still promoting this homosexual pedophile guru program. You are the servant of them, so that is a good admission from you. ys pd

Siraganda: Shut up your dirty mouth of diffamation PADA! who pays you for tellling this sh**? Kirtanananda is not anymore at isckon since a long time! you are a cowardly impostor! siraganda

PADA: Kirtanananda regime was being managed by his henchmen like Radhanatha. So are you saying, a bank robber is innocent, if he robbed the bank in the past! Hah hah, no he is still guilty even if it was in the past. You sir, are an idiot! ys pd

Sar: What does Stephen Knapp have to say about all of this?
Sardarpyar
 
Gnan:
one really good way to become liberated. Free from sin by the blood of Jesus Christ. no need to rely on am man but straight from the deity. and watch by the power of God how the sonditioned soul which is used to sinning will begin to experience tribulations as the Spirit of GOd begns to live within.
tenthousandyearsgoon: isckon will never change until they remove those who kept this things secret and by that i mean Gopal krishna is one of them.

Haladhara: He's not criticizing the conditioned nature. It is what is, but it is not liberated; and guru must come from the liberated class of people. Therefore he is distinguishing between conditioned and liberated so that conditioned souls can stop being cheated.

PADA, if Madhu pandit is GBC guru, why is Radhanatha - Indradyumna team spending lakhs suing M Pandit? GBC recently sent a letter to molesting victims, there is no money to pay them but lakhs for lawyers?. Some temples have insects, rodents, bad plumbing, and no money to repair, only 4 lawyers. As soon as Krishna devotees feed 1.3 million poor children daily, then Radhanatha sues the leaders of the free prasad program, after being sued for $400m for starving their ISKCON children?

pada1008: We're in agreement, so I'm not sure why you're asking me this.

PAUL: However, I didn't know about the letter saying there's no money to pay the molesting victims. I wonder what they did with the money our temple raised. - Paul H.

PADA: Yes, first Radhanatha's program starved and abused a small number of children, only 1,000 signed up for the lawsuit. NOW hes suing the free food program folks in India, who are feeding 1.3 million children, because now they want to starve millions of children, not just a small number. So yes, they are also diverting funds from paying their first wave of victims, so they can pay lawyers to the sue their next wave of victims, now he wants millions of children to suffer, not just his first wave. pada1008

Jhulan: "The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: 'One should neither praise nor criticize the conditioned nature and activities of other persons. Rather, one should see this world as simply the combination of material nature and the enjoying souls, all based on the Absolute Truth. Whoever indulges in praising or criticizing the qualities and behavior of others will quickly become deviated from his own best interest by his entanglement in illusory dualities." Srimad Bhagavatam (11.28.1-2)
Jhulanyatradd

PADA: Yes, I am glad you are not going to criticize us Jhulanyatra. Thanks pd

Jhulan: Bhaktisiddhanta told his disciples, "The purport is that we should not criticize anyone, whether a devotee or a worldly person." Then he quoted a sloka: Jhulanyatradd

PADA: Thanks JYDD prabhu, you are soooo! correct. Radhanatha swami has no business criticizing those of us who are not worshipping his deviant gurus, who are running a criminal enterprise, he has not one shred of authority to criticize the vaishnavas who worship a pure devotee. I agree with you fullly! Mother Draupadi also said that those who did not criticize her being assaulted were condemned, and this is a fact, Krishna severely punished those men who remained silent when she was attacked. ys pd

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