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Do these people accept false gurus just for a fashion? We are all the disciples of Srila Prabhupada and it is not very hard to realize this. We need to just approach Prabhupada and pray to him for his ultimate mercy. Rest he shall take care...
Priitaa Devi Dasi: Its true that its hard not to wonder how some who took initiation from Prabhupada decades ago and seemed so staunch, can not be going so far the other direction. I have often wondered that, being just an average devotee or not even, yet my faith in Prabhupada's instructions are solid, then how could those who appeared much stronger than myself do as they are now? I like your answers in this article, and other comments too! Thank you. And CONGRATULATIONS on getting initiated! Wonderful! --- Regarding others who claim they need to feel initiated which they can only feel if the guru is present, is the opposite of what Prabhupada himself did & instructed. Tp's initiated on... his behalf when he was in India & the student was half way elsewhere across the globe. If someone is doing the ceremony, how can anyone sit in such a ceremony and not feel it? But from their perspective lets say they dont fee it. Then what? Then to understand with their intelligence it is still initiation, still very real. So to those whose feelings can't pick up on it, than just have faith thru reading his books and letters on the topic, then thru knowledge these persons can KNOW they are imitated.
Miraj Choksi: i thnk you need to listen to this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsNiXZdH2Ko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj28yG6NI5w&feature=related
.......hope u'll be clear............
Agrani Krishna Dasa: Thank you Mataji for your blessing.
Miraj Choksi: can you pls make us more clear that why Jai Advaita is not talking about July 9th, 1977 and all those conversation during Srila Prabhupada's last days. pls research...
Miraj Choksi: pls read this http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/tfo.htm#Pyramid
Dayami Radhika: hope u can get some idea abt the whole issue (the above mentioned link is of letter by Tamal Krishna.)
Agrani Krishna Dasa: What are those so many places. Can you pl furnish with reference?
Pavan Kumar: @mana mohana Devidasi: can u pls tell me abt any written directive sent by Srila Prabhupada notifying all that he needs grand disciples?? no.. but he has told, he will be the only spiritual master in ISKCON in the July 9th Directive.. so its like following the orders of spiritual master.. pls read that directive clearly..
Agrani Krishna Dasa: Regarding May 28th conversation: I think it will be intelligent enough for anyone to read the whole conversation and not just take one drop from the milk.
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiatio...ns in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes.
Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the...
Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru.
Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara ajnaya guru hana [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order.
Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?
Tamala Krsna: No, he's asking that these rtvik-acaryas, they're officiating, giving diksa. Their... The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they?
Prabhupada: They're his disciple.
Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple.
Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple.
Satsvarupa: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: That's clear.
Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer...
Prabhupada: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => GBC Meets with Srila Prabhupada -- May 28, 1977, Vrndavana
Why did you start and get stuck with that word - "granddisciple"? Why didn't you read the whole conversation properly. Very clearly SP is mentioning that on His order one becomes a regular guru. He has confirmed twice this same statement in this small piece of conversation. Now where is the conversation in which SP is ordering to become a regular guru? Please speak next based upon Prabhupada's teachings (Since they are the shastra for us).
Agrani Krishna Dasa: In addition to this SP has also confirmed this in July 9th letter. What else proof you want?
Pavan Kumar Agrani Krishna Dasa: correect.. :) @Mana Mohini: We don't want to go by what Jai Advaita is speaking at that particular time which you have mentioned but as per Srila Prabhupada's instruction. Though JA is quoting from SP's conversation but that is not showing the complete picture of the conversation. As mentioned by Agrani Pr. Kindly go through the whole conversation.
Agrani Krishna Dasa For us, including you, the authority is SP Can someone please explain this mataji about this conversation. She is not able to understand me at all. :)
PADA: Yes, the may 28th tapes says that initiations in the future, after you are no longer here, will be conducted by ritviks. As for the GBC gurus, the official position of current ISKCON leaders, according to tons of their written annual documents, is that Lord Krishna's acharyas engage in illicit sex, with men, women and children. Lokanatha swami for example was suspended for touching a young girl (Satya). Satya is my friend and she is appalled that a child molester like Lokanatha is still being worshipped as the acharya, she says these people are so foolish they worship child molesters as Krishna's gurus. ys pd
I was invited to the ritvik debates that we see on these videos, however the GBC said I would not be able to discuss their behaviors, such as illicit sex, drugs, crimes and so on. Jayadvaita is the person who said ISKCON acharyas are having... illicit sex with men, women and children, and I was told I was not going to be able to challenge that, so I did not bother even going there. At the same time of this debate, these same gurus were getting "ghost busted" by pagal baba ashram leader Chitesvara, so I was going to ask, which previous acharyas were full of ghosts?
So they would not allow any such questions. I was also told by my Bengali friend the GBC hired black magic people (Chitesvara?) to put some curses on me by these black magic people like these ghost busters, that some damage was supposed to come to my head, but then Jayatirtha had his head chopped off, Kirtanananda was whacked on the head with an iron bar, Jayapataka was sliced in the neck, and now he has had major head damage from a stroke, most of these gurus have bad headaches all the time, so it seems their curses on me are -- on them and not on me? The Vedas say when you curse someone and the curse cannot effect the opponent, it comes back to you. Some Bengali man told me about how they were having me cursed, hah hah, he overheard them talking about that, so it seems their heads have been damaged, mine is doing fine. Hee hee. ys pd
The May 28th tapes was hidden from the devotees and when I got a copy in 1984, Ramesvara said we'd be dead meat if we exposed this tape, and they killed Sulochana for exposing the May tape and would have killed me except the FBI and Berkeley police intervened. ys pd
GBC hid the letters and the appointment tape, and they killed Sulochana for bringing these letters and May tape out in public: http://youtu.be/ZU8POd9Odr0 ys pd
Initiation Ceremony at ISKCON Bangalore | Agrani Krishna Dasa
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/
Do these people accept false gurus just for a fashion? We are all the disciples of Srila Prabhupada and it is not very hard to realize this. We need to just approach Prabhupada and pray to him for his ultimate mercy. Rest he shall take care...
Priitaa Devi Dasi: Its true that its hard not to wonder how some who took initiation from Prabhupada decades ago and seemed so staunch, can not be going so far the other direction. I have often wondered that, being just an average devotee or not even, yet my faith in Prabhupada's instructions are solid, then how could those who appeared much stronger than myself do as they are now? I like your answers in this article, and other comments too! Thank you. And CONGRATULATIONS on getting initiated! Wonderful! --- Regarding others who claim they need to feel initiated which they can only feel if the guru is present, is the opposite of what Prabhupada himself did & instructed. Tp's initiated on... his behalf when he was in India & the student was half way elsewhere across the globe. If someone is doing the ceremony, how can anyone sit in such a ceremony and not feel it? But from their perspective lets say they dont fee it. Then what? Then to understand with their intelligence it is still initiation, still very real. So to those whose feelings can't pick up on it, than just have faith thru reading his books and letters on the topic, then thru knowledge these persons can KNOW they are imitated.
Miraj Choksi: i thnk you need to listen to this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsNiXZdH2Ko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj28yG6NI5w&feature=related
.......hope u'll be clear............
Agrani Krishna Dasa: Thank you Mataji for your blessing.
Miraj Choksi: can you pls make us more clear that why Jai Advaita is not talking about July 9th, 1977 and all those conversation during Srila Prabhupada's last days. pls research...
Miraj Choksi: pls read this http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/tfo.htm#Pyramid
Dayami Radhika: hope u can get some idea abt the whole issue (the above mentioned link is of letter by Tamal Krishna.)
Agrani Krishna Dasa: What are those so many places. Can you pl furnish with reference?
Pavan Kumar: @mana mohana Devidasi: can u pls tell me abt any written directive sent by Srila Prabhupada notifying all that he needs grand disciples?? no.. but he has told, he will be the only spiritual master in ISKCON in the July 9th Directive.. so its like following the orders of spiritual master.. pls read that directive clearly..
Agrani Krishna Dasa: Regarding May 28th conversation: I think it will be intelligent enough for anyone to read the whole conversation and not just take one drop from the milk.
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiatio...ns in the future, particularly at that time when you're no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: Rtvik, yes.
Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the...
Prabhupada: He's guru. He's guru.
Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order... Amara ajnaya guru hana [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Be actually guru, but by my order.
Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Why consider? Who?
Tamala Krsna: No, he's asking that these rtvik-acaryas, they're officiating, giving diksa. Their... The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they?
Prabhupada: They're his disciple.
Tamala Krsna: They're his disciple.
Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is granddisciple.
Satsvarupa: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: That's clear.
Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer...
Prabhupada: When I order, "You become guru," he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That's it.
>>> Ref. VedaBase => GBC Meets with Srila Prabhupada -- May 28, 1977, Vrndavana
Why did you start and get stuck with that word - "granddisciple"? Why didn't you read the whole conversation properly. Very clearly SP is mentioning that on His order one becomes a regular guru. He has confirmed twice this same statement in this small piece of conversation. Now where is the conversation in which SP is ordering to become a regular guru? Please speak next based upon Prabhupada's teachings (Since they are the shastra for us).
Agrani Krishna Dasa: In addition to this SP has also confirmed this in July 9th letter. What else proof you want?
Pavan Kumar Agrani Krishna Dasa: correect.. :) @Mana Mohini: We don't want to go by what Jai Advaita is speaking at that particular time which you have mentioned but as per Srila Prabhupada's instruction. Though JA is quoting from SP's conversation but that is not showing the complete picture of the conversation. As mentioned by Agrani Pr. Kindly go through the whole conversation.
Agrani Krishna Dasa For us, including you, the authority is SP Can someone please explain this mataji about this conversation. She is not able to understand me at all. :)
PADA: Yes, the may 28th tapes says that initiations in the future, after you are no longer here, will be conducted by ritviks. As for the GBC gurus, the official position of current ISKCON leaders, according to tons of their written annual documents, is that Lord Krishna's acharyas engage in illicit sex, with men, women and children. Lokanatha swami for example was suspended for touching a young girl (Satya). Satya is my friend and she is appalled that a child molester like Lokanatha is still being worshipped as the acharya, she says these people are so foolish they worship child molesters as Krishna's gurus. ys pd
I was invited to the ritvik debates that we see on these videos, however the GBC said I would not be able to discuss their behaviors, such as illicit sex, drugs, crimes and so on. Jayadvaita is the person who said ISKCON acharyas are having... illicit sex with men, women and children, and I was told I was not going to be able to challenge that, so I did not bother even going there. At the same time of this debate, these same gurus were getting "ghost busted" by pagal baba ashram leader Chitesvara, so I was going to ask, which previous acharyas were full of ghosts?
So they would not allow any such questions. I was also told by my Bengali friend the GBC hired black magic people (Chitesvara?) to put some curses on me by these black magic people like these ghost busters, that some damage was supposed to come to my head, but then Jayatirtha had his head chopped off, Kirtanananda was whacked on the head with an iron bar, Jayapataka was sliced in the neck, and now he has had major head damage from a stroke, most of these gurus have bad headaches all the time, so it seems their curses on me are -- on them and not on me? The Vedas say when you curse someone and the curse cannot effect the opponent, it comes back to you. Some Bengali man told me about how they were having me cursed, hah hah, he overheard them talking about that, so it seems their heads have been damaged, mine is doing fine. Hee hee. ys pd
The May 28th tapes was hidden from the devotees and when I got a copy in 1984, Ramesvara said we'd be dead meat if we exposed this tape, and they killed Sulochana for exposing the May tape and would have killed me except the FBI and Berkeley police intervened. ys pd
GBC hid the letters and the appointment tape, and they killed Sulochana for bringing these letters and May tape out in public: http://youtu.be/ZU8POd9Odr0 ys pd
Srila Prabhupada Definitely Wanted The Ritvik System of Initiations In ISKCON and All Future Persons coming to ISKCON After Reading His Books Would Be His Disciples. My Experience As To How I Was Initiated by His Divine Grace is a Living Example of The Ritvik System Being Genuine & Bonafide. As Long As ISKCON Exists His Divine Grace Will Always Be the Siksha and Diksha Guru For Everybody.
ReplyDeletePlease Read This and Then Decide Yourself:
http://zaysen.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-i-was-initiated-into-mahamantra-by.html