Saturday, June 11, 2011

Gaura Govinda follower debates PADA (ISKCON) ys pd

PADA: Srila Prabhupada told us not to cooperate, tolerate and work with child molesters posing as Vishnupada acharyas. Srila Prabhupada said when there are crimes, call the police, I did, I had them sued because that is the order of Srila Prabhupada. The Gaudiya Matha also worshipped homosexual acharyas, like Gaura Govinda maharaja  [GGM]  promoted, and Srila Prabhupada said they are COCK ROACH acharyas for doing that, that means you and GGM are cock roaches, that is what SP says about you folks. ys pd

Sofallen1: What is the first offense against the chanting of the holy names. To blaspheme the devotees who have dedicated their lives to propagating the holy names of the Lord. If we do this we will not make advancement even if we chant for hundreds of lives. You cannot understand Gour Govinda Maharaja just because he was a sannyasi and you are a grhastha, what to speak of the fact that Srila Prabhupada told him to become a guru and said he was born a devotee. You ritviks are all offenders.

PADA:  The ten offenses are: that it is an offense to consider the guru as an ordinary man. Gaura Govinda swami actually wrote papers for the GBC syaing that gurus fall down, he even said gurus are sometimes ASURA demons, so GGM says -- gurus are not only ordinary men, they are fallen debauchees. Gurusuh narah mati naraka sah, anyone who says gurus falls downs is a resident of narakah, that means GGM is a resident of narakah because he backed the GBC gurus and their idea that acharyas are or they become debauchees. Narakah sah, already in hell. Read shastra please ys pd

Sofallen1:  GGS said if a guru falls down then he was never really a guru at all, so I don't know where you are getting your information from. Speaking of offending bona-fide gurus, you blasphemed GGS. You blaspheme the GBC so you are rejecting the ones Srila Prabhupada left in charge of the management of the society, you blaspheme your godbrothers and grand disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are gurus, and you blaspheme all the devotees in Iskcon. Why should anyone listen to you?

PADA: I talked to GGM in person, he told me he has to "cooperate, tolerate and work with" these GBC debauchees as gurus folks, he also wrote papers to defend them, he even stood up and defended keeping Tamal in 1993, he said we were bogus for not working with the [molester messiahs] GBC gurus program (he thus got some of us killed), he said that our idea of worship of a pure devotee is bogus ritviks, he was voted in at Bhavananda's recoronation, he supported the worship of a known homosexual pedophile by doing that, ... where have you been dude? ys pd

Sofallen1: To quote Mukunda108, "Prabhupada said you are a jerk, there, I said it! Cockroach guru! Cockroach guru!" You make as much sense as he does pada 1008. And you make as much sense as Ravindra Swarupa who told Mukunda108, "How's the slut wife Linda and the basturd little kids?". Yeah he pushed the spirit soul alright, Mukunda. You two are two peas in a pod. You seem proud to get a rise out of the devotees and to have sued Prabhupada for fifteen million dollars. How will you repay it? sofallen1

PADA: OK except Gaura Govinda maharaja is not elevated enough to worship a cock roach? Srila Prabhupada says that even animals like hogs, pigs and cock roaches are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, whereas GGM's acharyas are doing that, so GGM has to wait for many lifetimes just to be elevated enough to worship a cockroach. Even a cock roach has far better moral values than GGM and his acharyas. Why are you insulting cock roaches, even they do not worship that. pd  pada1008

Sofallen1: Don't bother answering me back I am through with you. Srila Prabhupada told GGM to tolerate, cooperate and work with" these gbc's, this is not something GGS made up himself. HE follows Srila Prabhupada's orders, not you. You just follow in the footsteps of the Gaudiya Math by bringing on lawsuits and suing your own guru's temples. Closing the temples will not cure the problem of homosex in the dhama. Besides, devotees were engaging in illicit sex in Vrndavana when Prabhupada was there.

Sofallen1: You said you would expect Gour Govinda to do what you think? One cannot understand the mind of the pure devotee. Gour Govinda Maharaja is so advanced he rejects even the love of Mirabhai for Lord Krishna. He only accepts as a guru one who is at least in the mood of a manjari. Jesus Christ taught on a very low level compared to the gopis. Maybe Christ is a gopi, but he didn't teach it openly. Jesus said there is so much more I have to tell you but you are not ready to hear it. Wake up!

PADA: Gaura Govinda swami was voted in at the re-coronation of a known homosexual pedophile posing as a Vishnupada. That means he endorsed child molesters posing as acharyas in 1986. How is that pure? And in 1993 when the GBC wanted to get rid of Tamal / Bhavananada regime, GGM stood up and said Tamal has to stay, GGM wanted the molester messiahs to stay in power. No previous acharyas supported the worship of child molester messiahs program, this is deviation. ys pd

Sofallen1: Stick with the point. Prabhupada told Gour Govinda Maharaja to cooperate, then when he did you criticize him as if he were entirely in charge of the GBC. Narayana Maharaja's sannyasa disciples NEVER fell down, maybe one out of 75,000 disciples he made. Don't go by the externals. It is an offense to say Prabhupada is fallen or some other great acharya but Prabhupada said to call a thief a thief to warn others so there is no offense to exposing BOGUS gurus if done properly. COOPERATE AMONG ISKCON!

PADA:  Where does Srila Prabhupada tell people to cooperate with child molesters posing as gurus? This is a lie, he never told anyone to cooperate with this deviation. ys pd

Sofallen1: Yes he did. Prabhupada knew well the history of devotees such as Bhavananda, Kirtanananda etc. But he made them disciples, the made them sannyasis, he even made them gurus! Why blame Gour Govinda Maharja? Blame Srila Prabhupada. Also it was Srila Prabhupada who made the current voted in guru system. He said to his GBC's/ gurus/ sannyasis, this very Tamal to whom you are referring, that you may add new gurus as the need arises. So he said THEY may add them, not "Just let anyone become a guru if they say they are qualified". Not, "They can only become guru if they are equal to the messiah." Not, "Only if they pass Pada's test and are equal to Christ, then they may become gurus". Why do you think you know more than Prabhupad?

PADA: Dear sofallen1, the GBC has made 230 gurus and most of them blooped, where does Srila Prabhupada says that our acharyas are most of the time blooping? Rather he says it is an offense to consider the guru is deviating. ys pd

Sofallen1: The previous acharya who gave sannyasa to kirtanananda and bhavananda was Prabhupada. He told them to become qualified to become gurus. He told them to become sannyasis. He told them to even be disciples and follow the four regulative principles before that! Prabhupada let them back after these devotees would fall down, so why blame Gour Govinda Swami for allowing these types of devotees back in Iskcon as well? Prabhupada said we have to cooperate among ourselves not just Gour Govinda Maharaja. You are putting words in gour govinda maharaja's mouth, very offensive.

PADA: Srila Prabhupada said in January of 1977 that his followers are not fit for sannyasa, he never said they were fit for guru. What did he say then? ys pd

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