Amburish Das writes to GBC about Bombay VS Bangalore court case

June 2013

To respected ISKCON GBC members and members of the bureau,

Dear Maharaja and prabhus, please be informed that on DayaramPrabhu's request, RadhaJivan prabhu and I met with MadhuPandit Prabhu and Chanchala Pati Prabhu, in my hotel in Bombay on the 3rd of March 2013.

MadhuPandit Prabhu explained his entire case to me, which all of you are familiar with. The meeting lasted for five hours. In his conversations he explained that this fight, has become dirty and has been brought to the streets. The general masses of India are so ready to accept Krishna Consciousness and Srila Prabhupada; but they are being victimized by losing their faith watching us fight. He claimed he is sick of fighting any further and therefore wishes to make a settlement. For this he is willing to surrender his 3000 crore properties to ISKCON Bombay and work under ISKCON management. However, he wishes to maintain his philosophical stance at this time.

I humbly wish to make my request to you all as Srila Prabhupada's followers and sincere well-wishers of ISKCON society, that a settlement be made at this time since the fight has gone on intensely for a very long time. If however, the settlement brings further problems in the future, they can be dealt with, then. I recommend the GBC should take their chances with the settlement at this time since there is every chance that when a more friendlier atmosphere is created in the future, MadhuPandit Prabhu will be open to an agreeable philosophical debate once a working relationship is restablished.

I believe on friendly grounds people are more willing to see each other's points of view. It is absolutely imperative that we diffuse the situation without further delay. It might seem to be a compromise, giving in, or diluting our philosophy, but eventually I have firm faith that we will come out winning; influencing his heart, and the hearts of his 300 men by this act of love and trust.

We have the example of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, when dealing with Prakashanada Saraswati: Mahaprabhu took the humble and tolerant stance and was able to eventually win over Prakashanada's philosophy and make him a disciple along with his 10,000 men.

I am writing this note to you after considering all aspects of the present situation. After deeply contemplating the pros and cons of this long battle and its effects on our society. Although not the ideal option for us, a settlement is a very wise and sober option; for which there will be blessings from Srila Prabhupada and Lord Krishna for making the maximum effort to maintain peace in our society. As Srila Prabhupada mentioned your love for me will show as to how well you co-operate with each other and also he said, no one can harm this society from the outside, it can only be broken from the inside.

Jaha Sumati, Waha Sampati nana aha kumati taha vipati vidha
Where there is peace there is all good fortune. Where there is disturbance there is only calamity.

I beg to remain a simple servant of all of you esteemed devotees.
Ambarisa Das

Criminal Complaint Lodged Against Asaram Bapu / Son Denied Bail / Gurukula Children's Death Investigated

http://www.dayandnightnews.com/2013/01/plea-reaches-court-for-criminal-case-against-asaram-bapu/

http://asarambapurapist.wordpress.com/tag/asaram-sex-scandal/

Asaram Bapu's son denied bail

High Court rejects Narayan Sai’s bail plea Indore, Aug 29: In an important judgement, the Madhya Pradesh High Court (Indore bench) here on Friday rejected a transit bail petition of Narayan Sai, the son of spiritual guru Asaram Bapu in connection with the deaths of two students of a school run by the Asaram Bapu Trust in Ahmedabad.Fearing his arrest by the Gujarat police in connection with the above-mentioned case, Narayan Sai had filed a transit bail petition in the Indore bench of the Madhya Pradesh High Court on August 13 this monthafter a 20-member strong team of the Gujarat CID went to Asaram Bapu’s Ashram in Ahmedabad to search him. 

The CID team had apparently went to the Ashram to probe whether the reports on occult practices being carried out at the premises were correct or not.The Madhya Pradesh High Court taking cognizance of his petition, reserved its judgement and served a notice on the Gujarat police asking it to give a reply whether any criminal case had been registered against Narayan Sai in connection with the above-mentioned case. Sai for the past sometime had been on the `run’ for various `controversies’ surrounding him and his spiritual father Asaram Bapu after report of deaths of two Asaram Ashram’s inmates in Ahmedabad and other charges leveled against the father-son duo.Subsequent to the High Court order, Gujarat police filed its reply before the apex court maintaining that so far they had not registered any criminal case against Sai and as such investigation against him was still continuing.

Following reply of Gujarat police, the single bench court of justice W A Shah of the Madhya Pradesh High Court Indore bench here on Friday rejected the transit bail petition of Narayan Sai on the plea that he did not face any threat of his being arrested by Gujarat police. On the occasion, Sai along with his counsel, C K Saxena was also present.

The CID had sent summons to Narayan Sai in Ahmedabad following frequent reports appearing in local dailies alleging the later’s involvement in tantrik (occult) activities, though there had been no evidence connecting him to the deaths. In its summons, the CID had given two days time to Sai directing him to report before the CID for questioning in connection with the mystery deaths of two students of Asaram Gurukul. However, Sai did not turn up before the CID.

Since then, the CID had been a hunt to trace him and record his version. It was only recently that a team of CID officials from Ahmedabad visited Indore and recorded the statement of Narayan Sai, claimed his counsel C K Saxena. The two children went missing from the gurukul under mysterious circumstances in July. The bodies of these children identified as Dipesh Praful Vaghela (10) and Abhishek Shantilal Vaghela (11), were later found from the Sabarmati riverbed near the Asaram’s ashram on the outskirts of Ahmedabad city on July 6. The deaths led to violent protests in Ahmedabad. The outrage against Asaram Bapu and his Ashram got a further boost after deaths of two more children of Asaram’s Ashram, were reported from Chindwara in Madhya Pradesh

Krishna K Jha

Krishna Kirtan: WHICH CONCLUSION DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO? (re: poison issue)

SEE UPDATED REPLY HERE: 

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/comment-and-response-by-krishna-kirtan.html

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Krishna Kirtan: 

WHICH CONCLUSION DO YOU SUBSCRIBE TO?

In the sum of things, there are essentially two conclusions any reasonably intelligent individual would be ready to accept as an answer to all the troubles with the world, and as a devotee, the troubles within the Vaishnava communities, particularly ISKCON since Srila Prabhupada left the planet.

Conclusion #1:

1) That all of the leadership troubles and all bad incidents of major significance occurred in ISKCON (and the world in general), they are all simply the result of a misguided leadership and that's mostly how the world works anyway. Leaders are responsible, and they are failing because they may lack character; yet for some reason (be it money/power) they remain long term untouched in their respective positions. It is after all Kali-yuga, and Kali's influence is pervasive, specially when the spiritual master is no longer present. We must just wish the best for these leaders because ultimately they are also trying to be devotees of the Lord.

What about a conspiracy? Oh no, that's crazy. Why would they go through all the trouble of acting like a devotee, living like a devotee, and even talking like a devotee? They sure make severe mistakes, but I can't fathom the idea that there is something so sinister going on behind closed doors. When Srila Prabhupada said that the great sinister movement was within our Society, I don't know what he meant by that, and what do I know about anything anyway? But I can't even start to imagine that THAT one good looking sannyasi is actually an agent working to corrupt ISKCON. Oh, that's impossible!..

OR...
Conclusion #2:

2) That all of it is not necessarily an accident by a bunch of misguided individuals in positions of leadership. That after doing all the appropriate research one has concluded that there is indeed a very pervasive and dark infiltration influence in all spheres of society, religion, government, etc in the world by a group and/or groups of people, agencies, and institutions intent on destroying all religion, family, moral values, individuality, even purposefully contaminate our food etc, all done on a global scale. That even plans to stealthy kill 80% of the population and orchestrate all war at any cost, is also part of their evil agenda. That they work in secret, and have for the longest time. That what is stated in The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is factually what is precisely going on in the world today, and has gradually ever since developed into what we know as the Status Quo of planet Earth in the age of Kali.

This is a more difficult platform to accept, yet all the important research points in that direction, and it appears to do it quite conclusively.

So... A great majority of people tend to accept the first option rather than then the latter. Fair enough, reasonable enough. I was one of them, although in my gut I still knew something was very wrong but I could not put my finger on what it was. But that was simply because I had not done any actual research on the subject. And even after some research, I still thought that the first option was still the most reasonable one to subscribe to.

But... As soon as it is learned and understood that there was an attempted poisoning of Srila Prabhupada by none other than those top ISKCON leaders themselves, the house falls apart. (And then watch three buildings falling at free-fall speed on September 11 2001 on top of that, and you are left with a field of immensely important open questions.) After scrutinizing those items, there is nowhere to go but to accept the number 2 option.

The attempted poisoning of Srila Prabhupada alone makes everything quite clear. That is: if those individuals had the audacity of even thinking in such terms and actually going through with it, that means they were never in favor of Srila Prabhupada from the start, but only acted that way (aka infiltrators), and that they were in fact there to perform a coup, a killing or killings if possible, and overall have worked stealthily on a CONSPIRACY to destroy Srila Prabhupada and his movement, all long coming in the making and planning.

WHAT TO DO? WELL, AT LEAST KNOW

One may remain doing their devotional service to the best of their ability and just stay out of it, specially if they don't yet fully understand what's going on or feel completely powerless when facing all of this. There are those though, when faced with proof that big snakes tried to poison His Divine Grace, they feel it would be their duty to at least say something, don't you think?

Sincere and unbiased research into this matter shows clear and incontrovertibly indications of the nefarious affair. Srila Prabhupada was more than likely already being attacked for a long time already much before 1977 in all sorts of ways (his name, society, and even his own body), but he is a pure devotee of the Lord and he was always protected. He only left this world when Krishna wanted and his mission was accomplished, and it was so beautifully accomplished. But that does not mean there were no attempts at his life.

Not only that, the fact remains that these rascals have been trying since then to further destroy his movement from within, and in the process duping everyone. What do their actions say about their character and actual intentions? How else does one explain all the atrocities etc that have happened within ISKCON ever since? Misguided individuals? Oh no, how naive to think that. Now we understand that much of it was actually purposeful and even planned. If they tried to murder Srila Prabhupada, that only further explains and exposes their actual purpose and intent after 1977.

When one further looks into the very colorful history of ISKCON and everything else is added up, what comes up is the real nature of all the so-called mistakes, atrocities, child abuse, unexplainable book changes etc.; then it all becomes even more clear. Any truthful individual then learns what that was all about.

In other words, that all of it has not been just mere Kali-yuga accidents / incidents by a bunch of misguided individuals, but that it has been a purposeful and orchestrated attack(s) to divide, conquer, and destroy all bona fide spiritual movements by whatever means (starting with Jesus Christ's movement); all done in similar fashion like it is done today to every religion and aspect of society: infiltrate it and then destroy it from within.

One thing remains the same. It is Kali-yuga and Kali's agents are not dumb. They are at work and this is how they work.

A WORD ON CONTROLLED OPPOSITION: THE SO CALLED TRUTH TELLERS

And then there are the likes of those like PADA, Puranjana, and others whose job is to radicalize the message (indirectly or directly) and make anyone who knows what's going on look like lunatics, and at the same time they act like they are representing the group of awakened individuals.

[PADA: Fine except, you are now one of the people who is accepting our issue, i.e. the poison issue, which almost all the people in 1997 said was being promoted by me, an alleged radical lunatic? So it seems you are now surrendering to the view of the main lunatic on the poison issue yourself? We are lunatics, therefore, you are accepting our main issues? That means you are discrediting, -- yourself. You are saying essentially, "I am now a follower of the ideas promoted by the radical lunatics." Then you blame me for discrediting you? I am not discrediting you, you are discrediting yourselves. 

Narayan Maharaja also said the same thing, that we are raving lunatics, and that we are severely offensive for bringing this poison issue forward, and so on and so forth. However at this point, there are easily thousands of people who subsequently accepted the poison issue, including Narayana Maharaja and his entire clan, and you are also one of the folks who has accepted the poison issue that we promoted as well. Then you say this is the "so-called truth telling." No, you are accepting our position as factual truth.

So it may be radical, it may be lunatic, it maybe whatever you folks say it is, but you are accepting it nonetheless. That means, we have had success in spite of your saying its the so-called truth. It may simply mean that you are begrudging that fact that we had to show you the way on these issues, like the child who had to say the emperor has no clothes, and the adults begrudged the fact that the child was way ahead of them on the issues.

Had we listened to you folks in 1997, then we would not have bothered to forward the issue at all. Of course, who cares if some folks are still calling us lunatics since, even you folks are now agreeing with our point anyway? The reason you are accepting the issue is because, the facts we presented in 1997 are valid, and are thus what we said in 1997 is now being accepted by more and more people, including yourself. Lets review what happened:

A) When we saw in the 1977 archives "Conversations Books" (printed in 1990) that there was "a conversation in Hindi about poison," I prayed to Krishna to get me a copy of that tape. He did that.

Thus, we were the first person (outside the archives) to obtain the archive copy of "the poison tape" from a person who had a contact near the archives. The devotee who gave us the tape did not want to make the tape public himself, because he feared for his life. So the tape never would have been made public, except for me making it public, because those who had the tape were never going to make it public. 

Therefore, anyone who is citing that tape now is doing so because of our work in making it public. To say that the person who made the tape public is a lunatic, tries to nullify the contents of the tape. OK and that has helped the bad guys all along.

So this devotee flew to Los Angeles to give me "the poison tape," but he made me promise to keep his name anonymous. Thus, no one else outside the archives at that time had ANY copy except for us, because we had asked for a copy for years and never got any results. That is because, no one else had a copy, this tape was not being circulated. I was the first person to publicly circulate the tape, period.

It was being hidden. Going back to your original point, there was -- as you said -- "a conspiracy" to hide these materials, and so we broke that program up by getting a hold of these hidden materials and releasing them. I agree with your general idea there was a conspiracy, however to say its the Illuminati is a little overboard, since I would never have got any of these materials if they were factually in charge.

B) We were therefore for sure the first person, ever, to have the tape transcribed into English by a Bengali gentleman. No other transcript existed at that time, because we had none to compare it to. Everyone who is reading the current English transcript now in 2013, is reading the main version we produced in 1997. We later had a few devotees go over the original transcript and they polished it up, and then we circulated the polished version, which is NOW the certified version that EVERYONE accepts as valid, apparently -- even yourself. We might be lunatics, but now almost everyone is reading the transcripts we created. Even you!

C) No one else in the USA even would have known what the tape said, even if they could hear it, because most of the tape was not in English -- and so it needed to be translated -- from Hindi and Bengali, and we did that before anyone else did. No one would have even known what the tapes said -- if we had not went and got them transcribed, and then circulated the transcriptions. The current English translated version you and others are NOW citing, were made initially by us. 

D) After we got the tape, and made the transcript, we then made an audio tape providing both the original Hindi and Bengali, and the English translation, and we narrated the English on the tape ourselves. And we were for sure the first person to publicly hand out copies of the poison tape anywhere, because we made 250 copies of the audio cassette and handed out those copies around Watseka ISKCON temple in 1997. No one else was handing out copies of this tape anywhere. Ever. For that matter, I am not sure if anyone has ever been handing out these tapes in public around temples ever since? As far as I know, we were the only people to ever do that around any major temple. Ever. And no one has done that ever since, that we know of?

E) Everyone else who was subsequently involved in the early investigation got a copy of the tape from us, including Naveen Krishna and others, because no one else had a copy. People like Naveen called us on the phone, and we then mailed them audio copies ourselves. No one else was doing that. In other words, without our mailing out copies around the world, this issue never would have become a world wide issue.

F) We were also the first to announce the whole issue in front of the 1997 Rathayatra, with a big sign. Yep, people like you said this man is a lunatic, but now you are accepting? So that means, we won anyway?

G) As a result of my sending the tape to Naveen, whispers were discovered on the tape. We were then the first to publish the contents of the "whispers" which were later found on these tapes, which we published in our newsletters. No one else even knew these whispers existed until we began to discuss and publish them. Now of course, many people accept these whispers as valid evidence. Yet at the time, when we first published them, people said -- this is lunacy. Maybe not? 

Naveen helped us with these whispers because he had the tape analyzed at a professional lab. In short, we are the people who originally made these whispers public. No one else even knew these whispers existed, anywhere, nor were the whsipers being published by anyone, anywhere, except by me in my newsletters. These whispers are now considered as concrete evidence. Even, by you?  

H) We were the first to assist Nityananda das put together the first poison issue Book publication.

I) We were the first to announce many developments in the case over the years, way before anyone else even knew what those developments were.

So if you want to say that the issue is valid, you should not say that the people who originally pioneered and forwarded the case in the first place are "looking like lunatics," because that makes you look like a lunatic for citing another lunatic? Anyway, we are sorry to report this, but we were never circulating any lunatic materials, Srila Prabhupada said he is being poisoned, and we simply said we agreed with what he said, and that's all there is to it. To say this issue is lunacy discredits Srila Prabhupada's statements. 

Anyway, now many people including you, accept these statements as a fact. Saying still after all this time, the people who originally forwarded this case are looking like lunacy -- is not helping, yourself? Its also not helping convince people of the case, when you say the people who originally forwarded it are looking like lunatics. Either Srila Prabhupada's words are factual, or not? You are shooting yourself in the foot by discrediting the people who forwarded the issue you now want to forward. Yes your honor I'd like to submit evidence "A," which I got from the looney tunes bin? You are not making much sense? Nor is it a good idea to say the issue forwarded by the pure devotee is lunatic materials? 

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KK: These individuals are also never ready to offer any type of tangible and sensible solutions, but only more and more hate. They are there to simply add to the division and the destruction, so instead of working to destroy from within like the others, they do do it from the outside. Two sides of the same coin, that's all.

[PADA: OK, so no one would have even got this tape unless we handed it out? I am not sure why that is hateful and / or lunacy? You would still be in the dark on this issue if we had not got all this organized. There is nothing lunatic of hateful about the poison issue, its the words of a pure devotee. You complain, there is also no tangible solution for this issue? We never said there was any? Is there any tangible solution for Jesus being crucified? What is that solution? Just tell us what it is, and we will do it? The people who said we were lunatics for promoting this issue in 1997 were with the GBC groupies, and you are still saying we are lunatics, are you not the same coin yourselves? What distinguishes your calling us lunatics from them?

We are educating people, and they are accepting. And you are one of the people who is accepting. Our job has been to educate people on these issues, and our process is working, and you are proof its working because when we went out in 1997 and said Srila Prabhupada complains of poison, almost everyone said that is lunacy, including even some of my close friends, but now it is being accepted everywhere. Even by you. So our work paid off, its being accepted. However, to continue to say the issue is hateful and is "making us look like lunatics" means, you are the person who is discrediting the issue, not us?]

KK: Where are the spiritual solutions being championed by these so called truth tellers?

[PADA: Educating people on the issues is the solution? The problems are due to ignorance, so if we educate people that is the solution itself. Jesus was crucified, and you are upset there is no solution for that? This makes no sense whatever? There is no "other" solution than education? If there is, what is it? Why don't you just tell us what better solution there is? You have not told us what is the better idea? Are you saying we should not bring these issues out, and keep people in darkness? Keep the mushrooms in the dark? Is that your solution? Or what? Srila Prabhupada was mainly interested in giving people his books, he wanted to educate people, that is the solution. There is no other solution? What is the other solution you infer is readily available, tell us and we will follow you.]

KK: That barely happens with them. Often everything seems to be continuously about problems, always about hate, about extreme gossip and attack; lacking any actual objectivity in decent language, common sense, and sanity. Nothing ultimately positive, no hope.

[PADA: We said that people should worship Srila Prabhupada and that is being accepted all over the place. Worship of Srila Prabhupada is hopeful, what else are you suggesting is the better hope? And are you saying we should not be hateful, but we should love the poisoners of pure devotees? Not sure what your point is?

Loving the poisoners and molesters is the main problem in ISKCON right now, is it not? Maybe if we love these people less, most of these problems will go away? Why should we love these people, at all? You are raising more questions than answers, its seems you are saying -- do not be hateful, love the bad guys, and paint the exposers as lunatics. OK is that not how all these crimes have been allowed to go on since 1977? That is not a solution? Or is that not how all this mess was created? Or what?]

KK: So what the professional controlled opposition has been working for years is to do just that by any psyop means necessary, to tarnish, confuse, and misdirect any reasonable and sane argument. People are waking up and much is becoming even more obvious as to the size and scope of the serious 'unspoken' problems facing the real and sincere Vaishnavas and their communities world-wide.

[PADA: Who is confused?

We said in 1978 that the 11 were never appointed. We are right.
We said there are molesting and criminality problems. We are right.
We said they are changing the books. They are.
We said there is a poison complaint. There is.

Ad infinitum.

Why are you confused? That means you need to go back and read our web sites where we present proofs of all these items. People who read up on these topics, are no longer confused.]

cakraṁ yugāntānala-tigma-nemi / bhramat samantād bhagavat-prayuktam
dandagdhi dandagdhy ari-sainyam āśu / kakṣaṁ yathā vāta-sakho hutāśaḥ

"Set into motion by the Supreme Personality of Godhead and wandering in all the four directions, the disc of the Supreme Lord has sharp edges as destructive as the fire of devastation at the end of the millennium. As a blazing fire burns dry grass to ashes with the assistance of the breeze, may that Sudarśana cakra burn our enemies to ashes."

—Srimad-Bhagavatam, 6.8.23

THEY CAN NOT EVEN SEE THE DEVOTEES

"Offenders have to wait until they receive the mercy of devotees, and then they can become eligible to see the lotus feet of the Lord within themselves. But due to their offenses and their extreme materialism, they cannot see even the devotees of the Lord. Engaged in external activities, they kill the internal vision. The Lord’s devotees, however, do not mind the offenses of the foolish in their many gross and subtle bodily endeavors. The Lord’s devotees continue to bestow the blessings of devotion upon all such offenders without hesitation. That is the nature of devotees."

—Srimad-Bhagavatam Purport, 3.5.45

Krishna Kirtan
20 August 2013

[PADA: Right, Krishna answered all our prayers to get all these hidden documents. He gave us "the will," the appointment tape, the July 9th letter, the DOM, the letters, the 1977 conversations, the poison tapes, and so -- Krishna got all these materials together and put them in our hands for us to use. And we did. And we broadcast these materials worldwide, so yes, He gave us all these items. And so now, people who read and accept these items are no longer confused. Its that simple.Read these items Krishna gave us, and you will no longer be confused. ys pd]

Nectar Quotes From Vidya Vani

http://vidya-vani.blogspot.com/2013/08/i-am-spirit-soul-i-am-born-of-krsna.html

Rocana belongs to the Vrndavana Anti-Party

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-13/editorials10514.htm

[PADA: Rocana agrees with the smartas, sahajiyas, babajis, that there is always "a living guru." That is the idea of the deviants, that the Vaishnava parampara has gaps, so its not bona fide. Rocana is preaching exactly the same thing as the anti-party is preaching, that the Vaishnava lineage is bogus since it has "gaps." Why does Rocana repeat the main ideas of the anti-party? ys pd]
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Former Aide Claims Asaram Bapu Encouraged Sex With Disciples

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/Sex+scandal+slur+on+Asaram+Bapu/1/75886.html

http://www.samachar.com/Cops-on-guard-at-Asarams-ashram-niyeM7baeid.html

Jadurani Speaks About "Srila Prabhupada poison issue"

http://youtu.be/VIMAg3xO_Y4

PADA vs Vedic Pundit Raja Gopala (update) 08/23/13

PADA: I hate to have be the one to keep pointing this fact out, especially to big Vedic pundits and scholars like Raja Gopala, but persons who are “engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children” — (A) Are not gurus, (B) Were not gurus, (C) Could not have been gurus. This is also known to any ten year old child in the USA, that debauchees are not ever God’s successor gurus. Only Raja Gopala and his GBC guru are bewildered and unaware of these facts.

And that means Raja and his GBC gurus are also bogus, since Raja and his gurus have supported the bogus GBC guru program, which has been mass producing these debauchees, drug addicts, and assorted fools artificially posing as gurus.

Raja Gopala has less discrimination than any ten year old child in the USA who knows, debauchees are not ever God’s successor gurus. This is simply not possible. God is pure and so His successor guru must also be pure. The fact is, a conditioned person with material attachments, who artificially claims to be the successor to God is not a guru but is — a liar. Sri Isopanisad says these liars posing as gurus are going to the lowest hells in the universe. Thats a fact.

And Raja and his guru have supported these liars. Nor has Raja understood the real issue all along, that fallen people were not ever gurus in the first place, which means, any ten year old child in the USA could defeat Raja Gopala, since any ten year old knows that the guru is like Jesus, he is pure, or else, he is not a guru, was not a guru, could not have been a guru. He is a liar.

Raja has totally avoided the actual point, gurus who are worshiped as pure devotees in the Vaishnava culture, or in the Jesus culture here in the USA, and not ever debauchees. That is because the mass of people understand that debauchees are not God’s successors, ever. Yes, any ten year old could easily defeat Raja and his guru. ys pd

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[PADA: The GBC has created since 1977 many letters, documents, lectures, position papers etc. saying that gurus fall down into illicit sex, and in Jayadvaita's paper he even says gurus fall down into illicit sex with men, women and children. I am not sure where in the Vedas we are told that worship of illicit sex gurus is going to take us back to God? Where is this stated? And if Raja's guru does not even know that illicit sex is not found in our Vedic gurus, then what does he know? Even a ten year old child in the USA knows that gurus are not engaged in debauchery, but Raja's guru has no clue? That means any ten year old child in the USA has a better idea of what are the qualities of guru than Raja and his guru have? ys pd]

Comments and Responses / Chanting produces criminality? / PADA is zero / ISKCON India? / 8/22/13

1) Chanting: Makes People Promote Criminals?
2) PADA is a big fat zero!
3) More comments
4) Is ISKCON Going to be taken over in India?
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1) Chanting: Makes People Promote Criminals?

PADA: Thanks prabhu, yes we have heard this many times over the past 35 years, the followers of the GBC gurus (and people like Prahlad das) have been saying that those of us who are critics of the GBC gurus and their criminal program are "not chanting our rounds." And that has suppressed our complaints, which in turn has enabled the bogus messiahs program to go forward.  

Their idea is, the people who ARE "chanting their rounds" are "the sincere devotees," never mind they tend to be the number one group of co-conspirators with the GBC gurus by -- acquiescing, aiding, abetting, assisting, covering up for, and perhaps even acting as direct servants of -- a criminal enterprise. The "best chanters" are -- the people who are not critical of the GBC's guru program and its criminal outcroppings, and this argument has helped along the criminal's empire all along. 

GBC guru followers and Prahlad types for example now complain we "are not chanting our rounds," and following their GBC gurus like lost sheep (as they are) and instead we bought out the bogus appointment issue, changed books issue, molesting issue, poison issue, and so on, because apparently, they love bogus self-appointed gurus, changed books, molesters posing as gurus, and guru poisoners? Why else would they object to us addressing these issues? They are madly in love with deviants posing as messiahs, plain and simple.   

This also sounds like a really bad advertisement for chanting the names of God? The more one chants the names of God, the more one loses all sense of right and wrong, and the more one becomes a compliant foolish sheep who blindly follows a "criminals as messiahs" program without even asking challenging questions -- because one is "chanting their rounds" -- instead of asking these questions? Yep, this means these GBC types and Prahlad types are insulting the holy names by saying anyone who chants the holy names sincerely, becomes a blind sheep in the hands of criminal messiahs. 

Of course now Prahlad das has shown us even more reasons why he is the only sincere chanter around, since he is currently aiding, abetting and promoting his new program, i.e. his beef eaters and animal hunters speakers on his Illuminati DVDs, these are his new authorities and his de facto gurus. Its merely another deviation. Sulochana dasa also said, anyone who opposes us is supporting the bogus gurus, he was right. 

Its not about who is chanting and who is not, its about who can see which gurus are bona fide and who cannot. That the "sincere chanters" are the people who are promoting the bogus GBC gurus, or Prahlad's beef eating and animal hunters -- speakers, authorities and gurus, this is -- a bad advert for chanting if there ever was any.  

That is what Prahlad now says, because devotees are not joining him in promoting his beef eating and animal hunter's DVDs as his new gurus, these people are "not chanting their rounds." He is advertising against chanting. Even the ordinary karmis we know -- tell us Prahlad's Illuminati DVDs are foolish, speculative and even demoniac, only Prahlad and his group think theses DVDs are divine knowledge, and they are so foolish they think these speakers are divine, apparently -- because, Prahlad's speakers eat beef and promote animal hunting. 

This is the new standard of purity for the Prahlad group, promoting beef eating speakers? In any case, the good news is, hardly anyone is running off to join these folks, they see its not a serious program and moreover, mixing Krishna with beef eating speakers just makes no sense. Even the karmis know this is an offense to Krishna to mix Him with beef eating, since Krishna is always seen as a cowherd etc.

At the same time we wanted to show that we should beware, using the excuse that we have to "chant our rounds," while our Spiritual Master's house is burning down, is not a good way to manage a movement.  

ys pd

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2) PADA is a big fat zero!

All you do is ZERO. you do nothing but repeat the same crap for 30 years. You have done nothing and never will do anything. good going there, PADA way to set an example. Other people including Sulochan do all the work and you think you can take the credit.

Anonymous
on 8/18/13

[PADA: This is getting really strange? We have one group of critics who say:

(A) PADA is a big fat zero, and has had no impact whatever in 35 years;

(B) Then we have another group of critics like some GBC followers, who are totally panicked over the PADA program, saying we have had major influence and consequences over the past 35 years with our program, which they claim has "given ISKCON trouble over the world." 

Obviously, we cannot have had both "zero impact" and at the same time "major impact all over the world," all at the same time. Our critics seem to have no actual idea which of their ideas is correct, zero impact cannot also be major impact at the same time? That's like saying PADA is a both "an insignificant flea," and "an atom bomb," all at the same time? Perhaps these critics need to start taking their medications?  

Some of PADA's friends complain to us recently that they are getting constant messages from people about how PADA has had such a tremendous impact on things over the years, that everyone should take notice of the dangers of PADA. OK, that means this group of critics are saying PADA is a major program of earth shattering proportions, which does not fit into the other critics theory that PADA is a big fat zero. Evidently our critics have never sat down together and decided what to call us, insignificant fleas -- or giant atom bombs?      

Anyway! Assuming we are big fat zeros, then why are some folks always complaining to us we are zeros for years together? We have a few people who keep writing to us every day, PADA you are a zero. So if some critics are writing about people who are zeros, then these critics are less than zeros. If one's life centers around writing about zero, one has become a zero oneself. 

We think the critics who say we have had major impact are correct, otherwise our friends would not be getting five messages a day "watch out for PADA." Hah hah, that means they are also giving us free advertising! "Watch out" means, for the most part, people will read it anyway! As one of our friends says, we are sometimes getting five messages a day from critics of PADA warning them "not to read from PADA," and that means, they are going right away to read PADA, and so is just about everyone else apparently. Then again the GBC folks have told people not to read PADA, well, its not working is it?

ys pd]

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I see a rather foreboding 5-pointed star looming menacingly on the world stage. Seated at the respective points on this star are the following:- The Rakshasas, the Illuminati, the CIA, the GBC and the followers of the GBC. If perceived, this star will facilitate the observer to choose his future – dark or light. If not perceived, then I suggest that one is ill-equipped to choose a path that is in any sense related to Gaudiya Vaisnavism. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur warns us of the dharmadvaji. Do we know what he said in this regard? Can we afford to have a look? After all, the Thakur was not in ISKCON. on Real Problem: GBC Not Accountable (By Mahasringha das)

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In response to I agree with pd! The present ISKCON is no more a safe ship to cross over this miserable ocean of material existence. It was taken over by the drunk pirates immediately after Srila Prabhupada's departure, and sober men don't even think to accompany them in their deadly journey., by

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First of all we have to understand ISKCONite level of consciousness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcE5aDTszrY on Rocana's "Moving Ahead" to Where?

Anonymous
on 8/19/13

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Dear PADA, what are the news about Mahanidhi Swami? Why this secrecy? What are your agents saying? on Rasa Lila Dance From India (Brijwani Cassette Video)

Anonymous
on 8/19/13

[PADA: There is secrecy every time one of these gurus falls down, what else is new? We heard that the house in Radha Kunda is empty, he is not there. Who knows? He may have been spirited off to a secret location until all this cools off, then he might re-emerge as if nothing happened, as some of these gurus have done in the past. ys pd]

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*** Srila Prabhupada said, "One should not imitate the rasa lila of Lord Krishna, not even in dreams" so I don't know why you say "One is allowed" ("following the footsteps" of the residents of Vrndavana) and one is forbidden (imitating them). Aren't they, Ramanand Sagar, etc. imitating the rasa lila of Lord Krishna, as banned by Srila Prabhupada?

[PADA: Correct, I said that imitation is not bona fide. Whether play acting in public videos, public plays and performances is imitation, I am not so sure? A play about Krishna by His devotees is not the same as imitation of Him as far as I can see. The gopis would also perform plays about Krishna's pastimes, these are great devotees of Krishna and not imitations of Krishna? I think you are confusing acting on a stage by devotees, with real live sahajiya imitations?]

*** How do we know THEY are in the proper mood, is it because YOU say they SEEM to be?

[PADA: Devotees cannot perform plays of the pastimes of Krishna? I am not sure where that is stated?]

I would like to have a little more authoritative information on the subject matter in question. Did Srila Prabhupada allow devotees to put on rasa lila plays or not? Did he say it was alright when boys used to dress as gopis and portray such things in the past? And what about the video you linked to where it appears to be a group entirely of women even the one playing the part of Lord Krishna? on Rasa Lila Dance From India (Brijwani Cassette Video)

Anonymous
on 8/18/13

[PADA: All I said is, they are not engaging in debauched behaviors as some "rasa lila" folks are doing. I also said these Krishna leela plays are a long standing historical tradition in India. Anyway yes, you should research the quotes on this topic, go ahead. We will publish the quotes if they are bona fide and from Srila Prabhupada. Just do it. 

As for folks like Ramanand Sagar, I hate to have to say this but, his videos of Krishna lila are doing more than almost anyone to promote Krishna's lila at the present time than almost anyone else. Its just not being done that much by others, and his videos are seen by millions of people on TV and theaters all over India and so on. I am not saying his videos are 100 percent accurate, but he is doing way more than anyone else is doing to interest people in Krishna and His lilas. Anyway, here are a few quotes on plays: ys pd]

SRILA PRABHUPADA: So you have got some talent for writing and producing dramas and now Krishna has given you the opportunity for dovetailing your talents in His service. Very good. When I go there I shall be very glad to see these dramas enacted. Yes, I acted the part of Advaita Prabhu in one such drama. I organized that theater performance in my youth hood. 

My friends were trained up and we performed and it was very much appreciated by the highest class of men in Calcutta. We were invited to many places to perform the drama. 

Lord Caitanya inaugurated these Vaisnava dramas, it is true, but where to obtain such copies of these plays I do not know. While performing such dramas, always the actors must be Vaisnavas. Outsiders may help but devotees should have all the major roles. So you may perform such plays conveniently. It is a very nice program, but do not sacrifice other programs on account of it.
- Letter to Vrindaban Candra – Bombay 13 April, 1971

People will appreciate such kirtana without hesitation. Even dramas about the pastimes of Lord Caitanya or Sri Krishna should be played by devotees. Such dramas will immediately interest an audience and be full of potency. The students of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness should note these two points and try to apply these principles in their spreading of the Lord’s glories.
- Madhy Lila 11.95

I am especially pleased to hear that our KC drama program is being developed by you nicely. We have got unlimited stock for such dramas, so go on in this way, improving more and more, and Krishna will give you direction so that one day, very soon, your all dreams will come true and you will be acting our KC dramas on the Broadway.

Everyone enjoys play-acting, only there is at present a dearth of proper material for elevating the general mass of people to the proper standards. Practically, the whole world is going to hell. There is no decency, no gentleman anywhere. So we have to portray to the people of this fallen Age of Kali-yuga what is the right standard for their behavior. When they see that, Oh, here is such nice activity, such nice people, they will automatically become changed, simply we have to engage their senses in the right taste. So this drama-playing is very good presentation for attracting their attention and displaying Krishna Consciousness very beautifully. Make everything very simple, without too much fancy costumes, and the real message will come out very nicely……

…..So in combination with the others you go on thinking how to improve these KC plays and dramas and how to give the public more and more of Krishna Consciousness. That is real preaching work.
- Letter to Nayanabhirama – Bombay, 22 December 1971

So I do not care very much for these plays and dramas unless they are coming directly from the Vedas. If we can recite from Bhagavad gita the first chapter without any need for elaborate scenery or stage-props and gorgeous dresses, that is best. Just like your Shakespeare. Macbeth may be recited by two men, without anything else, and simply by their acting ability and the meaningful words alone, they can very easily capture the entire audience and give them real substance. We have so many stories, like Jagai-Madhai, Krishna departing for Mathura, like that. Satire will not help us. Our message is very grave, and because it is the Absolute Truth, it will work without any artificial presentation.
- Letter to Madhuvisa London, 8 July, 1972

Regarding the dramas, my point is not to deviate from gravity and compromise or distract from the situation. Keep this point in vision and continue. That is a very good proposal to stage one play based upon Lord Caitanya. Read TLC on the stage, just like Caitanya Mahaprabhu is giving instruction to Sanatana Goswami, and the actors may speak little philosophy, without need for special costumes or other things. Then kirtana. There must be always kirtana. Dialogue, kirtana; then again dialogue, again kirtana; again repeat; like that. No humor should be there, just philosophy and kirtana. If it is successful, then the same dialogue-kirtana may be followed by other sankirtana parties in Europe and America.
- Letter to Madhuvisa – Amsterdam, 29 July, 1972

Yes, I did not see your drama in New Vrndavana about the advent of Lord Krsna. But I have heard from others that it was done very nicely, so I am very much pleased. These kinds of dramas about Krsna, Krsna's pastimes, and also Lord Caitanya's pastimes, are very much desirable for presenting to the public widely. So if you can organize your traveling party to present such dramas all over your country and other places that will be very much appreciated. Perhaps you can work together with Visnujana for presenting our road show opera to the public also. I had opportunity to see that opera in Pittsburgh and it was very well done, with a lot of drama and dancing as well. You may keep me informed from time to time what is the progress of your play-acting group, Vaikuntha Players.
- Letter to Nayanabhirama – Los Angeles, 18 Septempber 1972

………and I have noted the contents, along with the drama-script from Srimad-Bhagavatam. It is very nice. This kind of play-acting is wanted. Now introduce it to your country-men very nicely presented. Emphasis should be given to the words of Bhagavat, they are spiritual and will have powerful effect if someone only hears them with attention, do not be very much enamoured by fancy costumes and stage-decorations, they will only distract. Real acting art is to know how to speak. The greatest dramas, even in your western culture, they can be played without any extra equipment. Just like your Shakespeare--sometime I saw they were playing one drama, I think Hamlet or something like that, and only two men were there on the bare stage and everyone was praising. So the art is catching their ears. Now in that spirit go on with your work and try to do something wonderful.
- Letter to Jayadhrama – Ahmedabad 13 December 1972

Dramas are alright if you can perform them nicely. Even if you don't speak them in English, they can be rendered into Hindi on the microphone while the drama goes on.
- Letter to Aksayananda – Calcutta, 13 January 1976
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You don't post anyone's comments but your own. you are same as rocana. on Rocana's "Moving Ahead" to Where?

Anonymous
on 8/18/13

[PADA: Posting quotes from trolls does not help anyone. ys pd]

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Why are you all just blaming him, the women in his life, they also should shoulder some of the shame, and also receive some of the criticism. Why don't these women find a nice single man. There will always be a category of women who will attach themselves to either a sanyasi or married man, these women should be vilified and maybe in the future they will think twice before taking part in these karmic paths of degradation. on RE: Mahanidhi -- RECENT COMMENTS (with our responses):

Anonymous
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Sir, sir! whats with Mahanidhi now? GBC paper clearly states he is fallen down. Signed by two GBC leaders. For days Mahanidhi didnt say anything. His last explanation is that it is all made up and - a lie. So far so good. What is this called, your word against mine - one person's word against another's? Mahanidhi objected the GBC paper. Now again radio silence. Are they discussing if their first falldown message was wrong? How can this happen? Is GBC defective or Mahanidhi a liar? Or are both untrustworthy? Thanks for clarification! on Balaram Jayanti Festival on August 18th @ Sunnyvale temple

Anonymous
on 8/18/13

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Like all other issues - poison issue, abused children, initiation issue, Goura Govinda Swami issue - TKG is yet another issue that causes Western Vaishnavism to split into multiple hostile camps. No agreement since 20 years. Meanwhile all preaching programs are stopped to zero because of all those infights.

Each group believes their explanation is crystal clear. Only problem, the other group says, nope, we never accept your version. Tell you what, there is a totally different problem at the bottom line. None of these groups is able to do any preaching or establish any successful impressive transcendental project! Nothing zero. Well yes, ISKCON Bangalore.

However, all US Prabhupadanugas basically reject ISKCON Bangalore's prasadam program calling it mundane welfare. When Madhu Pandita pr started Krishna-lila theme park in Bangalore this was totally torn in pieces as Disneyland madness by every single US Prabhupadanuga. In sum, the only successful project, ISKCON Bangalore is on Why Some Say PADA Caused Tamal's Untimely Departure?

Anonymous
on 8/18/13

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Is ISKCON Going to be taken over in India?

[PADA: Some folks sent us a letter a long time ago saying that ISKCON in India was going to be shut down by the government very soon, well that has not happened as they predicted. Instead, we see exactly the opposite going on, namely all kinds of big shots and important government leaders are hanging out with the GBC's gurus over there. Meanwhile, we are told Swami Nithyananda is back in action after he was busted there? Is that right? India seems to have very little standard for acharyas? Apparently, even after a person is busted they get back in the saddle very shortly thereafter. Or what?

Of course, if the India government takes over any religion, then it might become another victim of another set of swamis, yogis and avatars who will be running these places instead, and who knows what kind of problems those people will be having. Just because someone places a new set of managers, gurus and swamis into an institution, does not mean there will not be any more problems. There are problems with bogus gurus all the time in India, not just in ISKCON. Read the news papers in India and you will find various stories about yogis and swamis having problems, then again in usa we have priests who have troubles, so this is a problem everywhere really.

At the same time, we see so many cartoons from India making fun of India's politicians, its seems the people over there have little faith that their own government can manage things. Is the India government going to be able to manage say for example, the Akshaya Patra program, if they seize it? And what happens if they cannot? 

The real problem for the government of India is -- if they seize ISKCON's property, then they might get compared in the world's media to say, Stalin's taking over the churches and so forth, it may make the India government look backwards and a bit dictatorial. Perhaps that is the reason they have not acted a long time ago. 

In any event, whatever happens is in Krishna's hands, if the institution is taken over, that's not going to stop people from worship of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna over there, rest assured. If the original institution fails, and Srila Prabhupada said it could, the movement will go on in an undercover status for some time and come out again under another name and so on, as has happened to the Gaudiya Vaishnava religion already hundreds of times over the past thousands of years, its disappears and re-surfaces over and over, and this happens all the time. And sometimes a good shake up is required to get people back to the basics. ys pd]

PADA vs Raja Gopal (8/21/13)

Raja Gopal: @Puranjana das: I can tell you (who is my guru) but I won’t tell you because of your offensive, insulting nature, I already wrote twice, can’t you read? Srila Prabhupada is my grand guru, that I also mentioned already. Further, you fail to understand that the GBC is a an impersonal body because of its very nature. It is only a managerial commission, nothing more, nothing less.

[PADA: The GBC is the same party that claims they are -- authorizing gurus -- by their "2/3's show of hands vote." And they have simultaneously created an elaborate "guru management and control system," i.e. after they "vote in" all kinds of gurus by their speculative "showing of hands vote" process, then they: "oversee, manage, monitor, censure, chastise, suspend, remove, revoke, and excommunicate gurus" in what they say is -- Krishna's parampara. Isn't Krishna the overseer of His parampara?

Now Raja is saying the persons who are overseers of the gurus in our parampara are not merely bogus and speculative voters but "an impersonal body" and "managers, and nothing more." So now Raja is saying that "impersonal managers and nothing more" are in control of the parampara, and not Krishna?

Krishna says acharyam mam vijnaiyam, the acharyas are under My control and are indeed -- as good as My Self. And Raja says no, Krishna is wrong, because the acharyas are under the control of Raja's "impersonal managers" -- who create these gurus -- by votes? Krishna says He dictates to the acharyas, and Raja says no, the impersonal managers create and then dictate to the acharyas?]

RAJA: First come to understand Lord Brahma, the second one our disciplic succession. He is just an illusory person, that’s a fact. People with a popstar worship mentality don’t even understand that. Ritviks lack buddhi. Again and again you give evidence of this.

[PADA: Lord Brahma is an illusory person? No, he is a real person who is the head of our parampara. Lord Brahma is a factual being, as are all the other demigods. Where does Srila Prabhupada say the demigods are not real persons? Where does Srila Prabhupada say Lord Brahma's existence is not real, but an illusion? Sorry, the demigods are temporary, but they factually exist. And if Lord Brahma is an illusion, then you are also certainly a similar illusion. Why should we listen to you -- if you are an illusion?]

RAJA: Just remain very attached to the stories of Lord Krsna and Lord Caitanya, they are very purifying for people of less intelligence. When I mention that within the body of Iskcon and the GBC body of course there are all kinds of problems, deficiencies there is no reaction to that apart from cynicism. You again and again give evidence you don’t have buddhi and therfeore also no vaisnava mentality and behaviour. Ritviks are like fanatical fake Christians and crazy Salafists. Their main characteristic: blind impersonalism.

[PADA: OK but you are the one who just said the impersonalists are the GBC body, and thus the gurus they create are also impersonal since they are created by an impersonal body? We are saying that Lord Brahma and his teachings are real, and you just said, he too is an illusion?]

RAJA: Srila Prabhupada denouces religious moralists like you very much in CC, together with worldy sex mongers. btw Who gives ritviks their “spiritual” name? Just curious, since Srila Prabhupada is in Goloka Vrndavana.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada denounces the worldly sex mongers, that means, you are talking about your own guru parampara, since many of them are falling into illicit sex and illusion? If the party that creates debauchee gurus is denounced by Srila Prabhupada, why are you supporting that party? ys pd]

Dead End for the GBC gurus? / Forgiving the GBC gurus? (Mahesh Raja prabhu comments)

Dead End For The GBC's Gurus?

PADA: HISTORY OF BURNT BRIDGES

First of all, the GBC gurus totally devastated the ISKCON USA's operations:

From the very start in 1977, the first rattle out of the box was, that the GBC were conjointly promoting Kirtanananda as "the purest devotee on the planet," which enabled him to create a huge criminal empire with tentacles all over the USA. Basically, his program was influencing (and overtaking) the entire ISKCON North America operations.

Simultaneoulsy Ramesvara's USA zone was also having criminal problems -- for example -- with the "Prasadam Distribution International" (PDI) drug bust by the FBI; Hansadutta's program was also raided by Federal Marshalls; Jayapataka's "oil painting business" program was also raided by Federal Marshalls (after Chatur Bahu was murdered); The Federal Government sued ISKCON for fraud in 1980 (and the GBC lost), and so on ad infinitum, all of which which created huge legal, media and financial problems for ISKCON.

As a result of all this, there were massive subsequent losses of: temple buildings, manpower, supporters, donations, money, assets, farms, schools, book sales and so on, for ISKCON. In short, ISKCON started to dwindle immediately as soon as these living gurus were announced in late 1977.

In this way the ISKCON leaders simultaneously lost thousands and thousands of people, dozens of temples and farms were sold or lost, many other associated buildings and properties were sold or lost, and of course they lost millions and millions of dollars, all in a short time. As Srila Prabhupada said -- there was a fire in the Gaudiya Matha (made by false gurus) which burned down their post-1936 mission, and the GBC gurus started the same exact fire in ISKCON with false gurus, and they also burnt ISKCON to toast.

Later on, Sulochana das was murdered for being a whistle blower on all these crimes, which lead to New Vrndavana being raided by Federal authorities in 1986, and the arrest of Kirtanananda. Radhanath swami was then made an ISKCON guru apparently -- "on the condition he would not be arrested as an accessory to the murder of Sulochana."

As these problems for ISKCON began to unfold, Kirtanananda swami and some of his main henchmen like Radhanath swami simply moved their base of operations to INDIA, where the people living there simply did not understand what was going on in the USA. And a pattern started where ISKCON's renegade leaders then formed separated legal charities that were no longer part of official ISKCON, and these new charities were legally owned by the "guru" and some of his henchmen.

In other words, after almost burning the USA totally to ashes, then many of these leaders simply went abroad to find "new pickings" in new locations -- to sell their bogus snake oil medicines. They needed a "fresh supply of people" to exploit and fleece. One devotee (a fan of the "Twilight" movies?) said to us, this is the way "werewolves" operate. The werewolves exploit some hapless people for blood in one area, but since they do not want to be discovered by staying in one place for too long, they simply move to a fresh "brand new area" where there is a new group of victims -- who are unaware of the problems the werewolves created in their previous location.

Meanwhile, the GBC gurus were devastating EUROPE with even more scandals among their wayward messiahs over there like Jayatirtha, Bhagavan Das, Harikesha and others. This lead to an exodus of more and more of ISKCON's gurus and leaders, away from Europe proper to start to focus on further and further away places like Poland, Russia, Ukraine, once again, anywhere that the poor innocent people did not know about or understand the history of what was going on in the West.

For example Sivarama set up camp in Poland, BB Govinda set up in similar places, Umapati set up camp in China etc. Other former New Vrndavan leaders like Devamrita went to Australia, again, where people were not very very aware of the problems in the USA. Prabhavishnu also started to make a move on Australia, Thailand and other places where these Western scandals were not so well known. The werewolves were looking for fresh blood?      

Recently, things have finally started to catch up with them in Australia, where the Prabhavihnu problem exploded in their faces over there. The GBC gurus also recently lost lots of people in China when the Umpatai problem exploded there. And the result was -- that lots of those innocent people gave up on these gurus, and they started to follow our Prabhupadanuga idea. They have also lost a lot of people from Russia / Ukraine when these innocent devotees started to "catch up" to the mess these gurus were creating (a lot of PADA's recent newer blog readers are from places like Russia, Ukraine, China etc).

India has thus become the bogus guru's "last stand" and de facto new headquarters, after they basically burnt to the ground and abandoned the USA, Europe, Russia, and most of the former Russian satelites and so on. India has thus became their biggest base of operations.

Oh oh! Then in 1997 Madhu Pandit das declared that Bangalore is separating from the bogus gurus. That was like the last nail in their coffin, and they knew that, since all their other bases of worldwide operation were gradually being stunted in various ways, if not exposed. If the false ISKCON gurus sinks in India, then their whole program is in danger of sinking, because India is practically the last place on earth where the GBC guru process has any credibility.

The good news is that now the Prabhavishnu problem, followed shortly after that with the Mahanidhi problem, has opened the doors to the whole incompetent "guru management" process of the bogus GBC in India itself. More and more people are questioning their entire modus operandi of voting in dubious folks as messiahs, and so forth. Hence, PADA's Krishna 1008 blog has more than doubled from last months (July) number of views already this month (August), and more and more of our new viewers are especially from INDIA. That means, folks over there are catching up to speed on the whole hokey GBC guru process.

So this is a really a huge crisis for the GBC guru process since, they ALREADY burnt out the USA, they ALREADY burnt out South America and handed that over to the Gaudiya Matha, they ALREADY burnt out Europe, they ALREADY burnt out Russia and its satelite areas, they ALREADY burnt China to toast, they ALREADY burnt out Australia, and in sum -- they have burnt out the whole world except for one last area, and that's where they are making their last stand -- in India.

What happens if people wake up there? Its all over, that's what. Game over, no extra lives left. They will limp along is some fashion for awhile (like the Gaudiya Matha's gurus did), but their glory days are clearly over. And if our blog hits from India are any indication, lots of people over there are reading about all this and no doubt starting to question their whole bogus guru process. And that means, more people will eventually side with our argument -- that you need to worship the pure devotee Srila Prabhupada. Whenever there is a guru meltdown, we always collect up some of the victims for our Prabhupadanuga idea. So we are winning, albeit slow but sure. So this is really getting interesting indeed, as Mahesh Raja prabhu writes about herein: ys pd

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MAHESH RAJA PRABHU: 

COMMENTS ON "FORGIVING THE GBC GURUS"

Abhaya carana seva das: So those who are GBC’s, they should be very, very careful to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly, the punishment is also very great. That is the difficulty. (Geneva, June 4, 1974)

Therefore no mercy at all for all these wretches who betrayed Srila Prabhupada by going against his decision not to appoint any diksa-gurus.

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Mahesh Raja: This is going to be a VERY VERY VERY interesting chapter we are all going to see. These bogus GBC folks thought they can poison Srila Prabhupada, then take-over his temples, properties, BBT, his disciples, then change his books, then throw out devotees etc. So now they are all in their 60′s. So HOW many more years to retain the ill-gotten gains, say 5 years more or say maybe 10 years more?

THEN they all get another body. WHAT body they will accept is going to be under the dictates of their KARMA. AS you sow so shall you REAP. It is ALL about CONSCIOUSNESS. What body YOU develop is what CONSCIOUSNESS you have created in this life: If ones life is demoniac then he is force to enter the lower forms of life -- such as animals, lizards, snakes, worms in stool etc. 

And -- there is no ESCAPE. The ONLY way out is to GIVE BACK EVERYTHING TO SRILA PRABHUPADA NOW -- BEFORE THEIR TIME IS UP. This way there is AT LEAST SOME LESSER degree of punishment. Otherwise they have had it! They are FINISHED! Endless cycles of TRANSMIGRATION in lower species of life, that is what they will be forced to —enjoy! 

MANY MANY MANY creations will come and go -- NO RELEASE FROM THIS JAIL!

740606BG.GEN Lectures

Just like father gives some capital to the son: “You do some business.” Now, you lose the money or increase it hundred times; that depends on you. Similarly, Krsna has given us. We wanted to enjoy this material world, and Krsna has given us. The first beginning body is Brahma, very exalted body. But on account of our abominable activities, from Brahma, we come down to become the worm of stool. This is called karma, ksetra.

There are eight million four hundred thousand species of life, and according to our work, we get some body, some type of body. And if we work in the modes of goodness, then we get still better body in higher planetary system, long duration of life, better standard of living condition, more and more, thousand times, thousands of times. Whatever comforts and facilities we have got here on this planet, if we work in the modes of goodness, then we get more and more facilities.

Similarly, if we work just like animals, then we are degraded more and more downwards to Tala, Atala, Talatala, Patala, like that. There are planetary systems, and similarly, there are higher planetary systems. You can see every day. Each and every star means -- there are different planetary system. So according to your work, you are promoted or degraded or you are kept there.

urdhvam gacchanti sattva-stha
madhye tisthanti rajasah
jaghanya-guna-vrtti-stha
adho gacchanti tamasah

It is up to you. In another place, Krsna says,

yanti deva-vrata devan
pitrn yanti pitr-vratah
bhutani yanti bhutejya
yanti mad-yajino ‘pi mam

The same thing. If you desire, you can promote yourself to the higher--that is within the material world--higher planetary system for better comfort of life, better, long duration of life. That you can go. Yanti deva-vrata devan.

Just like if you come to Europe… At least… Of course, we are different men. We are preaching. But other Indians, they come, they come here by dressing like European, European coat, pant. So just we have to arrange for going to another country, passport, visa and dress and so many things. Similarly, if you want to go to the planets of the demigods, you have to prepare yourself. Yanti deva-vrata devan. Deva-vratah, they can go. Similarly, pitr-vratah, they can go Pitrloka. There are other planets. And bhutejyah, if you want to remain here, then you become nationalist and this, that, so many…

"And if you like, you can go to Me also." Mad-yajino ‘pi yanti mam. Those who are trying to promote themselves in Krsna consciousness, Krsna says mad-yajinah, "Those who are worshiping Me, they come to Me." So now it is your choice. This body is given to you. Now you must make your choice whether you want to have, in this material world, better facilities, better duration of life, or if you want to degrade yourself to the animal life, or if you want to go to Krsnaloka, everything, whatever you want, you can get. And this is the chance, this human form of body. You make your choice. Therefore Krsna says, idam sariram kaunteya ksetram iti abhidhiyate. It is just like the land of cultivation. Now you cultivate.

Bg Introduction:

Prakrti itself is constituted by three qualities: the mode of goodness, the mode of passion and the mode of ignorance. Above these modes there is eternal time, and by a combination of these modes of nature and under the control and purview of eternal time there are activities which are called karma. These activities are being carried out from time immemorial, and we are suffering or enjoying the fruits of our activities. For instance, suppose I am a businessman and have worked very hard with intelligence and have amassed a great bank balance. Then I am an enjoyer. But then say I have lost all my money in business; then I am a sufferer. Similarly, in every field of life we enjoy the results of our work, or we suffer the results. This is called karma.

Isvara (the Supreme Lord), jiva (the living entity), prakrti (nature), eternal time and karma (activity) are all explained in the Bhagavad-gita. Out of these five, the Lord, the living entities, material nature and time are eternal. The manifestation of prakrti may be temporary, but it is not false. Some philosophers say that the manifestation of material nature is false, but according to the philosophy of Bhagavad-gita or according to the philosophy of the Vaisnavas, this is not so. The manifestation of the world is not accepted as false; it is accepted as real, but temporary. It is likened unto a cloud which moves across the sky, or the coming of the rainy season which nourishes grains. 

As soon as the rainy season is over and as soon as the cloud goes away, all the crops which were nourished by the rain dry up. Similarly, this material manifestation takes place at a certain interval, stays for a while and then disappears. Such are the workings of prakrti. But this cycle is working eternally. Therefore prakrti is eternal; it is not false. The Lord refers to this as “My prakrti.” This material nature is the separated energy of the Supreme Lord, and similarly the living entities are also the energy of the Supreme Lord, but they are not separated. They are eternally related. So the Lord, the living entity, material nature and time are all interrelated and are all eternal. However, the other item, karma, is not eternal. 

The effects of karma may be very old indeed. We are suffering or enjoying the results of our activities from time immemorial, but we can change the results of our karma, or our activity, and this change depends on the perfection of our knowledge. We are engaged in various activities. Undoubtedly we do not know what sort of activities we should adopt to gain relief from the actions and reactions of all these activities, but this is also explained in the Bhagavad-gita.

Bg 15.8 P The Yoga of the Supreme Person

Here the living entity is described as isvara, the controller of his own body. If he likes, he can change his body to a higher grade, and if he likes he can move to a lower class. Minute independence is there. The change his body undergoes depends upon him. At the time of death, the consciousness he has created will carry him on to the next type of body. If he has made his consciousness like that of a cat or dog, he is sure to change to a cat’s or dog’s body. And, if he has fixed his consciousness on godly consciousness, he will be transferred to Krsnaloka in the spiritual world and will associate with Krsna. It is a false claim that after the annihilation of this body everything is finished. The individual soul is transmigrating from one body to another, and his present body and present activities are the background of his next body. One gets a different body according to karma, and he has to quit this body in due course. It is stated here that the subtle body, which carries the conception of the next body, develops another body in the next life. This process of transmigrating from one body to another and struggling while in the body is called karsati or struggle for existence.

Note:There is NO WAY these bogus GBC and their bogus gurus and their accomplices are getting away from stealing from the PURE BRAHMANA VAISNAVA Srila Prabhupada: "A person who takes away property which has either been awarded to a brahmana or given away by him is condemned to live for at least 60,000 years as miserably as an insect in stool."

KB 64 The Story of King Nrga

At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said: "Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment -- one can be relieved from its effects; but if one drinks the poison of taking a brahmana’s property, there is no remedy for the mistake. 

The perfect example was King Nrga. He was very powerful and very pious, but due to the small mistake of unknowingly usurping a brahmana’s cow, he was condemned to the abominable life of a lizard. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; but the arani fire ignited by the spiritual potency of a brahmana can burn to ashes the whole family of a person who provokes such a brahmana.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) "If someone even touches a brahmana’s property, he is ruined for three generations. However, if a brahmana’s property is forcibly taken away, the taker’s family for ten generations before him and for ten generations after him will be subject to ruination. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated."

Lord Krsna continued: "If some foolish king who is puffed up by his wealth, prestige and power wants to usurp a brahmana’s property, it should be understood that such a king is clearing his path to hell; he does not know how much he has to suffer for such unwise action. If someone takes away the property of a very liberal brahmana who is encumbered by a large dependent family, then such a usurper is put into the hell known as Kumbhipaka; not only is he put into this hell, but his family members also have to accept such a miserable condition of life. A person who takes away property which has either been awarded to a brahmana or given away by him is condemned to live for at least 60,000 years as miserably as an insect in stool. Therefore I instruct you, all My boys and relatives present here, do not, even by mistake, take the possession of a brahmana and thereby pollute your whole family. If someone even wishes to possess such property, let alone attempts to take it away by force, the duration of his life will be reduced. 

He will be defeated by his enemies, and after being bereft of his royal position, when he gives up his body he will become a serpent. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life."

Note: EVERY instance is different HOW and WHEN Krsna chooses to punish the party who have insulted His PURE devotee. BUT rest assured they will NOT get away:

SB 3.1.43 P Questions by Vidura

As declared in Bhagavad-gita, the Lord appears in the mortal world to execute His much-needed mission of killing the miscreants and giving protection to the suffering faithful. In spite of that mission, Lord Krsna tolerated the insult to Draupadi by the Kurus and the injustices perpetrated against the Pandavas, as well as insults to Himself. The question may be raised, "Why did He tolerate such injustices and insults in His presence? Why did He not chastise the Kurus immediately?" 

When Draupadi was insulted in the assembly by the Kurus by their attempt to see her naked in the presence of all, the Lord protected Draupadi by supplying an unlimited length of clothing. But He did not chastise the insulting party immediately. This silence of the Lord did not mean, however, that He excused the offenses of the Kurus. There were many other kings on earth who had become very proud of three kinds of possessions -- wealth, education and followers--and they were constantly agitating the earth by movements of military strength. The Lord was just waiting to get them together on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra and kill them all at one time, just to make a short-cut in His killing mission. 

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Future Births of ISKCON's post-1977 gurus?

http://youtu.be/WVmkCaA3HZs

Hare Krishna Movement, Vrndavana India (worship of Srila Prabhupada)

Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

Rasa Lila Dance From India (Brijwani Cassette Video)

http://youtu.be/feQbN6Ehb30

[PADA: Rasa Lila dancing is done in India such as in this video, and in Indian videos of Krishna lila made by Ramanand Sagar etc., and the people seen here seem to be portraying the proper mood of being devotees of Krishna, as opposed to those who think that they are themselves Krishna, and they are actually having Rasa with "gopis" (sahajiyas). We are supposed to know what Rasa lila is, but not try to imitate these pastimes by thinking we are qualified to enter the Rasa dance in our neophyte stage.

At the same time, its important for us to know what Krishna's Lilas are, including Rasa Lila, because this helps us complete our own understanding of the spiritual reality. Unfortunately, many GBC gurus / Gaudiya Matha gurus / Mahanidhi swami types / Babajis etc. are not helping by claiming to be gurus (i.e. gopi assistants / nikunya yuno rati keli siddhas) while still having mundane attachments.

Of course this holds true for any feature of Krishna's pastimes, we can know what His activities are, but, we cannot try to imitate any of them, that is sahajiya. This is also sometimes called -- the difference between "following the footsteps" of the residents of Vrndvana (respectfully, and from a distance), and imitating the residents of Vrndavana. One is allowed, and the other is forbidden. Then again we can ONLY follow the footsteps / instructions of the college professor, but we cannot sit in his seat and claim to be a PHD ourselves, when we are still only neophyte students. ys pd]

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Rocana's "Moving Ahead" to Where?

BY: ISKCON AS IT IS

ROCANA DASA: A number of members in the As It Is forum have suggested that the focus of that digital meeting space should be kept strictly forward-looking, focused only on creating a revival of Srila Prabhupada's preaching mission. They've asked that we not let it become weighed down by heavy and distracting issues like the recent Mahanidhi problem, which rather un-serendipitously manifested in ISKCON just as we launched As It Is. And we agree.

[PADA: How can we "move forward to revive Srila Prabhupada's mission" when the people who worship Srila Prabhupada are banned from posting on Rocana's sites for the past 15 years?] 

RD: Over the next several days, we will install a separate forum for the Sampradaya Sun, housed at HareKrsna.com. As we did with the Sun Blogs, the editors will begin threads for news and editorials likely to generate discussion, and registered users will also be able to start threads.

[PADA: As the people who worship Srila Prabhupada have reported already for years together, Rocana bans them from posting anything on his sites. He mainly posts from the Gaudiya Matha people, GBC people and so on, we are banned.] 

RD: The forums will continue at ISKCON As It Is, but will now focus only on discussions relevant to that preaching mission. 

[PADA: Rocana is preaching that we can no longer worship Srila Prabhupada, and we need to worship one of his live bodied gurus, ok, just like Mahanidhi was one of Rocana's live bodied gurus.]

RD: If it's possible to do so, we'll port over to the new Sun forum duplicate registrations for all those registered in the As It Is forum (confidentiality will carry over). We'll keep you posted here on that effort. If it can't be done, you'll simply have to register again for the new Sun forum. (And if you don't want your registration duplicated to the new forum, let us know.)

[PADA: Well we are already not allowed to post, and the last time we were allowed some years ago, Rocana deleted all of our comments after we took the trouble to post them. Then Rocana started saying the people who worship Srila Prabhupada cannot post there at all, unless they accept his idea that people like Mahanidhi are living gurus. We do not accept your living gurus Rocana, period.]
RD: In the meantime, we'll begin to expand the threads and the reading content in the As It Is forums. Because of limited time, we'll give that area our primary attention, but we'll certainly be monitoring the Sun forums as well, and contributing whenever we can.

[PADA: We have all heard your preaching Rocana, you said that Srila Prabhupada is the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem guru, and we need to worship your foolish living Mahanidhi guru program, have you not learned that your living gurus are being rejected left, right and center? ys pd]

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Why Some Say PADA Caused Tamal's Untimely Departure?

Anonymous
at 11:32 AM

[PADA: Thanks prabhu. That is what almost all the people have said, Tamal's presence will not be missed that much. A number of people have confirmed that he was only going to India because of the lawsuit, and that means, the lawsuit is really what killed the leader of "the sinister movement." So Krishna arranged all this, Krishna agreed with the mass of devotees, we need to take this person away because he is simply causing grief to others every day. I am glad to have helped this process along, and its good to know you are also doing the "happy dance" to see this trouble maker gone. Actually, only the Prahlad team reports to us on a regular basis their being upset with Krishna for being such a violent person who killed their lord and master Tamal, because they miss licking the bottom of Tamal's shoes.]

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Heil LUCIFER, the glorious Light Bringer!

RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

Anonymous
at 11:26 AM

[PADA: The way to fix ISKCON is to say -- it belongs to Satan? Who knew!]

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Hare Rama, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Comments to your article: ISKCON is like Syria? That is exactly what I realized after I accepted Srila Prabhupada as my Guru and his Ritvik Order. There is only Shunjavadi left. Only 1 out of hunderts so called "Vaishnavas" accepted the July 9th 1977 letter after I talked to them via email/facebook/chat. So basically I am left all alone, without even money to buy food, without a job education... NOTHINGNESS So I personally understand why many senior devotees seem to be in severe depression doing drugs etc. So basically Srila Prabhupada did his job and proclaimed that only a pure devotee can be Diksha Guru/Acharya. People could either follow or they can make a big scam and suffer the reaction for their severe offense. Following a bogus Guru was hell(I started dreaming of hell and I had no idea why at that time) So I am convinced, out of direct experience, these people are heading to hell.

RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

Bhakta Robin
at 3:13 AM

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I beg you to refer Srila Prabhupada's letter, Los Angeles, June 21, 1970 to Tamal Krishna Goswami. In Nectar of Devotion, Part One, 2: The First Stages of Devotion, I have read as follows so if you may consider referring them as well: "Now this sadhana-bhakti, or practice of devotional service, may also be divided into two parts. The first part is called service according to regulative principles...That is called vaidhi, or regulated. One has to do it without argument. Another part of sadhana-bhakti is called raganuga."

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

Rajj

[PADA: We never disagreed with the above statement. This statement is very clear: First we need to practice sadhana bhakti. And what is also very clear, especially at this point, after seeing so many "raganuga bhakti" bogus gurus going down the tubes, it ALSO means we sadhana bhaktas cannot pose artificially as raganuga gurus. ys pd]

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Oh to be a retired guru living it up at the disciples expense. First Satsvarupa, now Mahaneedy. Just wait until you get caught then plan a good excuse and fool enough disciples and you can live the good life. Only one problem, this is not what Srila Prabhupada meant by retire. When Bhaktivinode Thakura retired he entered into samadhi. He did not give up being a magistrate to watch TV and have his disciples pay for him to eat and sleep, and have sex, which I shouldn't even say in the same sentence, but that is what many of the ISKCON men claiming to be gurus do.

The like to use the term "Prabhupada men", they claim to be "Staunch Stalwart Prabhupada disciples", when there have been documented cases of these same men having sex with their own disciples and God sisters. In fact, show me a guru who has left ISKCON who hasn't had illicit sex before falling down. IS THERE EVEN ONE? Retiring? First they have to do some service, then they can retire. The only service they have ever done is

RE: Advice for Mahanidhi / ISKCON is like Syria / Beef eating gurus?

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

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To knowingly and falsely present the gurus words out of context and in abbreviated form thereby changing the meaning is as sinful as the bogus gurus who do the same thing to "prove" they are bona-fide by misquoting Prabhupada themselves. You know Prabhupada did not say to become like the Christians. You are as much a hypocrite and a liar as the gurus you oppose, and will take just as much karma for misleading the new innocents who take shelter of Prabhupada's movement, but wind up joining you instead. How far can you lead them back to Godhead? Don't say you are leading them to Prabhupada because you are not. Prabhupada did not start this bogus back to Prabhupada philosophy, ritviks did.

We Must Follow One Acharya -- Like the Christians

Anonymous
at 10:08 AM

When Prabhupada said, "You follow one acharya, like Christians, they follow one acharya" he was NOT saying that ISKCON should follow one acharya, himself! Print the whole paragraph or two above and below it and you will see what he was really saying, that the Christians follow Christ, they have their bible, they have their priests. So guru, sadhu and sastra must be there.

We Must Follow One Acharya -- Like the Christians

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

[PADA: Fine. How come you folks never answer the first question we always ask, i.e.: which acharya should we follow then, you? Just tell us which acharya we are supposed to worship right now, and just get it over with. You keep saying "its not this acharya, its not that acharya," while never saying which acharya you promote? 

And in the Vedas that is called "negating" or "neti neti." So far, your idea only cancels out every other idea. Great job, except -- we also need to know what idea you are actually promoting? Rocana dasa does the same thing, "The ritvik's idea is bogus, we cannot worship Srila Prabhupada, thats not in the tradition," blah blah blah, so we should worship no one, or what?

We cannot simply negate away all other ideas and have no idea of our own, that is called sunnya-vada, or nothingness. Just tell us who is the current acharya in your opinion, otherwise, if you have no idea who your acharya is, then our idea makes more sense because at least we have an acharya to point people to. You say there is guru, sadhu and shatra, but you cannot even tell us who is the guru in your scheme of things? All you have established so far is that, you have no guru at all? Just tell us once and for all, who is the person who is leading us back to Godhead? ys pd]

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Dear Sir! Please update this list of fallen ISKCON gurus! http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-09/editorials5364.htm We several times tried to contact Sampradaya Sun chief editor but he refuses to talk to us. Meanwhile there were more fall-downs starting with Umapati, Prabhavishnu. In any case THE SUN seems to put a smokescreen on this issue of more falldowns? Is there any explanation?

Protection -- From Rocana's Bogus Gurus?

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

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Recently a devotee was pleading for a source to buy Srila Prabhupada's books in Russian language. They are getting very hard to find. "Perhaps Jayadvaita will explain to us the story of how literally millions of Russian translations of Srila Prabhupada's books stored in a giant warehouse were shredded. Yes, destroyed, because the storage cost was too high and it was considered that to give them out free or free to Russian devotees to distribute would not profit the BBTI, and would destroy the market for new printings of the books in the future. Yes, try to figure out the logic in that one."

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-09/editorials5496.htm on

Protection -- From Rocana's Bogus Gurus?

Anonymous
on 8/16/13

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Dear Mahanidhi Swami. Please accept my humble obeisances all glories to Srila Prabhupada. I enjoyed your letter and the denial of any wrong doing. I must accept that of course as I do not know otherwise. How nice that you can take this quote from Srila Prabhupada as your personal instruction from him."In that year, my Gurudeva Srila Prabhupada said, “Preach while you are young. When you are old, retire to Vrndavana and chant Hare Krishna. If you have preached sufficiently, you can retire to chant Hare Krishna.” (Prabhupada Lilamrta Vol 5 pg. 94: 1983 ed.)" There are so many of us aged devotees who would love to do the same but we find it necessary to keep up with our current devotional responsibilities based on Srila Prabhupadas instructions. I am also 63 years old and suffer not unlike the rest of Srila Prabhupadas disciples with financial problems,very long work hours, ailing health, defamation from ISKCON Toronto, banned from their temple for speaking the truth, you know the on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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Mahanidhi may have or may not have had sexual relationships with a woman but celibacy is not a real indicator of spiritual advancement. Preaching is necessary but it is also fine if someone wants to become more immersed in personal bhajan. My best wishes to Mahanidhi in his new pursuits. I wish that his followers would be less rejecting and would see broader perspective, past institutional framework. on

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

KasparsM
on 8/15/13

[PADA: We also wish Mahanidhi well, but his idea of "retiring" sounds like an avoidance process, an effort to avoid taking responsibility for causing so much havoc. ys pd]

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This is exactly as I had suspected. Mahanidhi Swami came out and corroborated that this is a conspiracy. The GBC are complicit in the conspiracy as they were the executors of the public condemnation and practically the excommunication of a saintly devotee. I hope Tamahora Prabhu stays awake at night drafting a public letter of apology. on Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Alexander
on 8/15/13

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Having seen "gurus" fall before, it seems to be pretty obvious these excuses were fashioned beforehand along the way by this one. First he gets caught falling down with a woman, and it is revealed he took sanga from some other guru. So what to do? In order to get out of the immediate heat of the situation he, in his own words, resigned from ISKCON. That was stage one. Tyaga, renunciation. But that won't last long when the name and fame runs out and the guru wants more. So now, stage two. Stage two was planned in the back of his mind all along, as with other gurus who come and go, they all come up with their own plans. Stage two is damage control. He admits he resigned from ISKCON but fortunately he was intelligent enough to have the foresight to say he was resigning from the "preaching mission" of Srila Prabhupada. That trickily appeased those who wanted him to admit he was fallen at the time, while simultaneously left him a way back in, now he can say he is only retiring from the on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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Pada, I do not know who wrote the comment you failed to post but obviously it hit a raw nerve based on your response. So all the devotees can see you deleted the comment you did not like and are ranting and raving like a lunatic to yourself about it. Great job of showing your true nature. Keep up the good work prabhuji haribol. on

More comments and responses (Aindra / Radhanath / GBC EC / Carribean Voodoo / etc.)

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

[PADA: Right, when we said there is a molesting program going on, then folks like you said this is "made up lies," "raving like a lunatic" and so on, and that is how people like you discredited our complaints, and that means, you folks caused all the molesting. You folks did that by discrediting us, and you are still at it. Don't you have a new mantra yet, after your current mantra got thousands of children victimized? ys pd]

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Prabhupada said the GBC members should meet at Mayapur every year. I guess Tamal felt Prabhupada was wrong in his case. Let us not forget the famous last words of the great STALWART devotee Tamal when he crashed. According to witnesses, his last words weren't Hare Krishna, but two other words that sound like OH CIT! As in sac cit ananda. Only it wasn't cit that he recited, but SH*T!

Yes, his last words recited at the time of death were completely material. He left a meeting where ISKCON lost ten years worth of laxmi to pay up for the gurukulis being knowingly abused and having the offenses covered over, and then he wanted to be late for his trip to the airport, showing up like he was special like he always did, instead of showing up on time like everybody else. That is why the taxi was speeding that day. Tamal didn't give a crap about anyone else but himself. on

Why Some Say PADA Caused Tamal's Untimely Departure?

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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First time I ever heard of a guru "retiring" from being a guru because his own disciples were envious? What will they think of next? His name and fame were ruined, and that was Krishna's arrangement for him to stop being a guru as well? Never heard of that one either. He mentions Srila Prabhupada's "siksha". What kind of siksha is there stating a guru has to worry about his own name and fame? on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

[PADA: Mahanidhi's favorite person is Satsvarupa, who is also retired. Good question, which previous acharyas retired after their "envious disciples" complained about their bad behavior? ys pd]

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Thats why they call off Mahanidhi - because if he joins the fallen guru list the GBC is in really bad shape....if you know what I mean..... on

Additional Eye-Witness Testimony on Srila Prabhupada's Poison Complaint

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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Hare krishna My name is Sukadeva das and am from Sridham Radhakund, Sri Gopalji mandir. I am the one who has posted this letter on behalf of maharji. You can contact me on my suka108@gmail. com
or +91 9897430910. Haribol!!! on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Sukadeva Das
on 8/15/13

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Sounds pretty much like rascaldom. Nobody spread rumors. It is the GBC statement everybody is refering to. If Mahaniddhi figures he is a guru in good standing why he is unable to inform GBC about their false broadcast? Why he did not immediately write letter above? Why this stonewalling tactics? If he writes on facebook, listen folks, this is all made up lie then this would have never gotten out of hand like it is now. on

Letter from Mahanidhi Swami August 13, 2013

Anonymous
on 8/15/13

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MAHANIDHI SWAMI’S LETTER AUGUST 13, 2013 Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayate! Dear devotees and friends, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. For your consideration I offer the following explanation of the recent events of my life. The Veda Purana says in Kali-yuga, disciples will become so antagonistic, envious and ungrateful that they will even kill their own Guru. Recently, a few disciples have accused me of improper behavior with a female devotee, and that was publicized worldwide. Contrary to the thousands of false statements, distorted facts, wild exaggerated stories and complete lies, I have never had any illicit relations with a woman or man during my entire devotional life. Of course, this is only possible by the mercy of my Gurudeva Srila Prabhupada, Lord Gauranga and Sri Krishna’s Holy Names. And in no way have I left my eternal divine holy master Srila Prabhupada, and ran away with a woman or some other Guru. Why did I resign from ISKCON, the on

Mahanidhi scandal expands (other ISKCON GBC gurus implicated)

Sukadeva Das
on 8/14/13

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maybe instead of looking for faults in others, it is better to do a spiritual self-awareness and to find a taste of the soul rather than criticizing others.

Anonymous
on 8/12/13

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This is fact, Prabhupada accepted disciples and he rejected some of them too. I don't come here often, but when I do, I know I will get the latest prajalpa there is against the GBC, ISKCON, and those who are following Srila Prabhupada the way HE wanted to be followed. He wanted us to cooperate with each other, with the GBC, and with ISKCON, not to fight with them like the Gaudiya Math fought with each other and sold the printing press to see who would get the rights over the temples. Ritviks sound just like the Gaudiya Math to me. They are too much into temples and not at all into following the ORDER of the spiritual master to cooperate, follow the GBC, and serve Srila Prabhupada in the institution he founded, ISKCON. on

History of Sahajiyas / Gaudiya Matha / Mahanidhi connection / etc. (RE: Rocana das article)

Anonymous
on 8/12/13

[PADA: So the GBC kicked us out because we did not want to worship illicit sex and drugs, where does the Vedas says we are supposed to cooperate with the worship of illicit sex and drugs? ys pd]

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Thank you for your hope that he is innocent but GBC has based their statement on first hand accounts of people who lived with him (not those who know him through books and lectures). Please also consider that these devotees are all well educated, well mannered and wealthy. Why would they abandon him? Do we really think they conspired against him? What would they gain? Obviously what they saw made them leave him. But OK believe whatever you want. You can fool some people sometimes and can fool yourself all the time. on

Mahanidhi Swami fall down report (8/1/13)

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PADA: Srila Prabhupada says that we should not even look at the faces of mundane prophets and leaders (like Alex Jones) because seeing their faces is sinful activity. Prahlad says, lets advertise Alex Jones and make money selling his divine preaching; lets make money by having everyone look at Alex Jones face; and worse, lets all hear the "illuminated speaking" from people like Alex Jones and their paranoid and deluded lectures. 

Prahlad even said that since they are advertising for these illuminati people "lots of people are visiting their site," and thus -- buying their DVDs. Alex Jones was apparently at a gun owners meeting saying these gun hunters should have the right to have assault weapons. He is in favor of people having more guns. 

Unfortunately, many people with guns in America hunt and kill animals. Why is Prahlad advertising for people who are promoting guns, which often means -- hunting and killing animals, and using the photos and name of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna to help advertise -- persons promoting guns, hunting and killing animals. Even the humans cannot escape from guns? 

So that is what this is all about, Prahlad and his group are making money selling these beef eating and animal hunting people's "divine speaking." And apart from that, Prahlad is also saying that ISKCON is a fully owned operation that belongs to Satan. And he says by his publicly advertising that ISKCON = equals = Satan, that will fix the name of ISKCON. Really? Even the bogus GBC does not say that ISKCON equals Satan, we have to give them that much credit. ys pd   

Sample of Alex Jones issues: 
http://www.collegenews.com/article/alex_jones_goes_beserk_over_gun_rights