Kids -- who feel suicidal and / or
homicidal?
[PADA: Below is an account of how followers of ISKCON's "guru" Jayatirtha were very angry at the other ISKCON gurus -- for supposedly mistreating Jayatirtha.
And some of his followers wanted to possibly take violent action against the other ISKCON gurus. Bottom line, the current ISKCON guru management program teaches people to hate, whether they hate us Prabhupada devotees, hate other ISKCON gurus, hate women or etc. A female devotee just now said that the leader at her temple is a Lokanath disciple -- and he always criticizes women -- and in sum -- the ladies there think he is a misogynist (a woman hater).
Worse, they have made many ISKCON children hate the Krishna religion wholesale by mistreating these children -- in the name of the Krishna religion. Thus, some of the ISKCON children were trained for example to hate me, for opposing the regime that was abusing them -- the same children who were being mistreated. They hate the abusers, and they hate us people addressing the abuse --because many of their parents told them us "dissenters" are also evil. So they just really hate all sorts of folks all round equally, because that is the training they had growing up.
Of course many of the parents told their kids to love Narayan Maharaja, because he has bee a huge cheer leader of the ISKCON pedophile messiah's process and he was saying us dissenters are "ritvik poison" -- so he could defend his pedophile guru process and defeat our opposing. And he was in Texas -- yelling and literally spitting -- at our friends -- when we were putting together the molesting lawsuit in Texas. Yep, yelling at our friends -- in hate -- because our friends are not promoting pedophiles as Krishna's gurus. So NM hated us for opposing his pedophile guru process, and suing his pals like Tamal in Texas. OK another hater.
Dang it, these ritviks are having my molester messiah's
project's leaders sued here in Texas!
While I am here in Texas
kissing the jack boots of the molester messiahs!
In other words, the ISKCON leaders / or GBC have trained these children to hate other Vaishnavas, if not hate the Krishna religion. Worse, some of these children were trained to hate the very people who opposed the mistreatment of children in ISKCON. And thus a number of them are equally bitter with me, with ISKCON, with the GBC, and even with Krishna, because they were trained to be angry and bitter at basically everyone and everything -- by the environment they grew up in. OK they were injected with poisonous hatred by the environment they grew up in. Plain and simple as pie.
This is very similar to what happened to children in the David Berg / "Children of God" cult. Some children in his program became "suicidal and homicidal." And one of these children murdered some of the church leaders and then killed himself. And we have seen the same "suicidal and homicidal" process going on with some of ISKCON's children victims. Again, "suicidal and homicidal" mentality is NOT how these children were originally born. All this illusion and hatred was later on injected into them by the environment they lived in, i.e. mainly by their parents acquiescing with the GBC's guru system.
I also personally know various ex-ISKCON children who absolutely hate the Hare Krishna religion and all it stands for. Again! These children were not born with a venomous attitude towards the Krishna religion, they were trained to hate the religion by the leaders and often -- their parents who acquiesced with the corruption. They had zero hate for the Krishna religion in their brains at birth, but now all of a sudden they have been seething with bitterness, hatred, and a number of "negative emotions."
Suicidal and homicidal emotions for example (same as David Berg pedophile cult)!
Who put that hate into their heads? How do children become suicidal and homicidal without that being poured into their essence and being by the environment they were part of? We know for example of one young lady who was a GBC gurukula student -- who later on was arrested for trying to stab her mother to death. She was hog tied and shot up with tranquilizers and carted off in an ambulance, but she was still quite young when this took place.
That means, she has essentially ended her normal life before it even started. She has ruined her chances of a normal life in large degree -- before she could even stand on her own two feet -- her legs of progress to create her moving forward in life were chopped off. Where did this suicidal and homicidal element come from? Well we know, but the people inside the David Berg pedophile cult could not figure it out either -- at least for many of them.
OK lets face it, this poison came from the ISKCON leaders mainly, they trained these people to be dysfunctioning haters, and they are still doing that to more victims. Now the Lokanath followers are spreading hateful messages about us, and even about other ISKCON gurus. Worse, they are sending hateful messages to women and mothers who do not want pedophiles to be worshiped as gurus in ISKCON. OK it is a pattern, hateful attitudes and behavior. And it is either suicidal or homicidal, take your pick of wonderful attitudes they are generating.
Again, who created all these hateful people? The ISKCON leaders / GBC / Lokanath / church elders et al. collectively created this hateful situation. And this begs the question, are these leaders making people hate the religion because they themselves hate the religion, and they are only posing as its leaders while harboring hate in their own hearts, and thus wanting to spread their hate to others.
I have seen numerous other instances where followers of various ISKCON gurus were very angry at "the other gurus" for trying to advise, restrain or contain their guru. For example now the Lokanath disciples are VERY upset and angry at the "other GBC gurus," and are calling some of these ISKCON gurus "bogus Westerners" if not fools -- and other ill names etc. So they hate others, including the other gurus in their parampara.
What kind of parampara from heaven contains gurus that hate one another, and their followers thus write nasty messages about the other gurus in their parampara? Even Kirtanananda used to call Gopal Krishna swami "Goofball Krishna." OK he hated the guy, his other parampara member.
Look at this bundle of bliss!
Wow! I helped the program to get perhaps
thousands of kids
starved, beat, and molested!
Satan will be proud of me!
One of the followers of Lokanath said Bhakti Chaitanya swami is "a Westernized fool who is attacking India's gurus." Thus, the current ISKCON guru parampara contains "Westernized fools" -- according to -- themselves. Right! Why then is Lokanath getting "voted in" to that parampara -- which his followers say is -- full of Westernized fools and femi-nazis (their words)? And since Jayadvaita says their guru parampara contains -- illicit sex with men, women and possibly children, why is Lokanath seeking a guru stamp of approval from that process?
Lokanath finds a nice bogus Westernized guru parampara -- that is destroying the tradition of guru in India; and is chock full of illicit sex with men, women and children; and has parampara members who followers hate each others guts; and then he surrenders to that guru parampara -- to become a co-member of that process. In sum, Lokanath finds a nice pedophile guru program, and then he runs over an licks their boots and wants to get their stamp of approval. Why is Lokanath part of the illicit sex and Westernized fools guru parampara, in the first place?
What kind of society has "gurus" whose followers might hate each other, oppose each other, threaten each other etc.? Yes, we are part of the GBC guru system, and our system teaches us to hate -- the other Krishna's guru successors? What kind of religion teaches people to hate the other successors of Krishna?
Wait a minute? How can gurus, who are all allegedly pure devotees of Krishna, create competing camps that want to infight, argue or even do violence to one another. So this is another feature of the GBC's guru program: one guru camp sometimes despises the other guru's camp, and the followers of one camp might want to possibly take violent action against another guru and / or his followers for "offending" their guru.
Yep, of course later Jayatirtha's head was chopped off by his own follower. Right, he spawned his own suicidal and homicidal victims, just as other GBC gurus were doing. He spawned his own demise. ISKCON is making violent guru cults, including violent pedophile guru cults, and they knew this all along since 1978. They evidently don't care really if Krishna's devotees are banned, beat, molested, sued and assassinated -- at least self evidently. They don't even care of they spawn suicidal and homicidal problems, with inter-homicidal attitudes among -- their own gurus. ys pd]
Was there any fanaticism among Jayatirtha’s disciples after the GBC declared that he was unfit to be a guru in 1982? There certainly was.
Jayatirtha Dasa took a large number of his disciples to Nepal to begin a new preaching venture. Throughout this time, the disciples were shielded from what was known in ISKCON about Jayatirtha. Eventually, this information filtered through.
One day in Kathmandu, in a large rented house where preaching programs were held and where the disciples lived, jayatirtha gave a talk in which he spoke of his bad experiences with his fellow zonal-acaryas and the GBC. Jayatirtha was in a distressed state as he explained his grievances. He cried at intervals. He described how he was forced to take sannyasa by the GBC and how he was physically manhandled by a GBC member during a GBC meeting.
Can you imagine how the disciples felt upon hearing these actions against their guru? The disciples also shared in this emotive scene. On top of all this, Jayatirtha, like the other zonal-acaryas was considered an officially recognised maha-bhagavata.
After these emotionally-charged revelations given by Jayatirtha, the mood of the disciples changed to anger. Now, the GBC, the other zonal-acaryas and others were enemies. How did this enmity manifest?
One example occurred after the Nepali preaching initiative failed in Pokhara and the disciples were relocated to New Delhi at a place called Tourist Camp. Disciples waited around for air-tickets so they could get home, away from the directionless confusion of a breakaway faction of ISKCON. There was a recreational area. In that place, some photos of certain zonal-acaryas were used as dartboards. Darts were thrown at those pictures.
In Blackheath, London, where a branch of Jayatirtha’s breakaway faction stayed, several other acts of fanaticism were carried out. On some occasions, if it was known that an ISKCON leader was in the vicinity, a disciple or two would grab an item that could be used as a weapon, with the intent to commit assault. Since ISKCON UK was reeling from the after-effects of a guru fall down, many meetings were held at a national level. Some disciples would make abusive phone calls to devotees participating in those meetings.
Another time, a bold, daring plot was hatched to steal the Sri Sri Pancha-tattva deities from Chaitanya College. Four disciples went there by stealth in the night with a van. Before the theft, a disciple did some reconnaissance to ensure no one was around. That disciple encountered a Prabhupada-disciple chanting on the property. The plan was called off. I’m sure there were other incidents that I’m not aware of. In the relative isolation of Pokhara, a disciple turned into a whistle-blower after witnessing dubious behaviour in the guru, and his life was threatened.
Lessons: It can be dangerous to hang around with fanatical followers of any kind when confusion and uncertainty reigns It takes just a single careless or true word to ignite trouble.
The higher the disciples revere their guru, the stronger the reaction will be against any challenge to such reverence, even if the challenges are true.
It would appear that within ISKCON, there is still a culture of revering gurus who do not match up to the high estimations of actual pure devotees. It’s an indication, and it shouldn’t surprise us if we encounter similar fanatical behaviour in disciples today or in the future. I had no joy in writing this. If it serves to inform on how fanaticism exists, then it’s an area of concern which requires education of guru-tattva grounded in practical truths rather than in ideology.
Ys KK Dasa.
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