Monday, August 9, 2021

Krishna Kirti Dasa Writes Wrongs (Update)

RE: Krishna Kirti Dasa's Article

I usually try to avoid controversial topics in our ISKCON society. However a recent event has gotten me really worked up. I am pasting below an excellent article by Krishna Kirti Prabhu on if the establishment of CPO in ISKCON is really necessary. I happen to agree with him so I am pasting the article below:

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"I am 54 years old and from America, and I grew up at a time in America when there was no such "good touch-bad touch" education in the school system, because it just wasn't needed. That is not to say that child molestation never, ever happened, but it was so uncommon as to not be the big social problem it is now. So, first point is that society in the West and all over the world has changed for the worse; within two generations it has become very degraded.

[PADA: Well yes and no. There has been institutional child molesting going on in the Church during the 1950s and 1960s -- that was just plain covered up. We don't really know how extensive it has been.] 

Secondly, the same people who have created and expanded institutions like child protective services, in whichever society they are in, are also the same people who have been behind the sexual liberation of the 60s that ushered in free sex, the normalization of homosexuality, and the normalization of other sexually queer behavior. If you talk to any mental health care professional today and ask them whether they consider homosexuality and other aberrant sexual behavior to be intrinsically immoral or degraded, you will get all sorts of interesting answers except for them agreeing that it is so. 

[PADA: Whatever mundane society is doing at any given time has no bearing on the eternal God Krishna and the eternal parampara of His successor acharyas.]   

Indeed, anyone in the mental health care profession who comes out and says, as Srila Prabhupada did, that "the homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any sane male in the ordinary course of life" (SB 3.20.26), that person will be blacklisted from the profession forever, his career will be finished. The same people who are trying to save us from child molesters are also the same people who have encouraged free and queer sex in society at large and continue to encourage it.

[PADA: The acharyas are eternal beings and are thus not interested in the temporary mental health care ideas of mundane therapists, nor are the devotees of the acharya. Illicit sex is forbidden in serious Vaishnava life, period. It does not matter what temporary mundane psychology is saying about free sex etc. at any given time. This is called maya, and it has no influence over eternal Krishna and His eternal successors.] 

Thirdly, where is the evidence that the CPO has actually made a difference in our society? They don't publish statistics, so how do you know what they are doing is doing anyone any good? And even if they did publish statistics, how would one practically measure whether there was less child abuse in society year over year because of their efforts? How do you even measure such a thing? Just from a purely scientific or public policy standpoint, you don't really know whether they are even making a difference. 

[PADA: What is making a difference is that people are fed up with the idea that Krishna's acharyas are (A) pure devotees, and therefore (B) they are often debauchees. And those disaffected people are forming their own separated forums to expose the false guru process.]

But people feel alarmed at how things are, so they turn to solutions they are familiar with (however ineffective and absurd they might be), and that alone justifies the program.

[PADA: There needs to be some sort of policing of any and all activities in any society, and policing of child abuse is part of that. There will always be criminals and thus there will always be a need to police them. ISKCON self-evidently is not doing a good job of that, which is why the book "Monkey On A Stick" calls the GBC the "gutless wonder" managers. Obviously, they are not policing deviants and deviant behaviors very substantially, well known even by the mundane society folks.]

So, now we come to the part where the child protection crusaders and allied institutions come into conflict with Vaishnava siddhanta, tradition, and practice with the case of Lokanatha Maharaja.

[PADA: Lokanath is being promoted in ISKCON as a diksha guru, another Vyasadeva, an acharya, a person free from mundane desires. In fact his followers told me he is absorbing their sins -- ok he is evidently another Jesus. 

Nope. Pedophiles are not ever promoted as acharyas in Vaishnava tradition, or as another Jesus, or as any kind of "God's representative" in any other tradition either. Pedophiles are considered as deviants in all religions, not as the messiahs of the religion.]

A big difference between the siddhantas of the two groups is that the child protection people disbelieve that one can transcend one's impurities. 

[PADA: A pedophile posing as an acharya cannot transcend his impurities, because he doe not recognize that he has impurities in the first place. He thinks pedophiles are messiahs, so there is no room to advance from there. A mentally ill person who thinks he is another Jesus cannot advance, until he understands, he is not another Jesus. A drunk cannot transcend being a drunk, until he recognizes that -- he is a drunk.]

There is no room in their belief system for api cet suduracharo bhajate mam ananya bhak, sadhur eva sa mantavyah. . . To these people, there is no such thing as an accidental fall down that one can overcome. 

[PADA: Acharyas do not need to overcome fall downs, because they are not falling down. The idea that acharyas are often illicit sex deviants who need censure, suspending etc. is false from the get go. Lokanath also aggressed this child over the period of a week, this was not a one time accident.] 

It has become so ridiculous that in America, some men who have made the mistake of urinating in a public place have wound up on public sexual offender black lists, and that is for life, BTW. So, I am not surprised that the child protection crusaders have once again stirred the pot for LNS. That's just what they do.

From an authentic, traditional Vaishnava point of view, such a mishap is accidental and not indicative of the true nature of a genuine saintly person. Those speaking in defense of Maharaja have rightly pointed out that his character and behavior since that time has been spotless.

[PADA: Lokanath is a full fledged supporter of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, evidently also buries sex with cats deviants in samadhi. And his program has to be sued for $400M for mass child abuse. Sorry mass child abuse empires -- and their cheer leaders like Lokanath -- are not spotless.]

But that doesn't matter to the other group because of the material basis of the psychological sciences -- according to them, you ARE the body. Transcending one's material conditioning is out of the question because in their world view there is nothing but matter and, consequently, there is no transcendental position that one can rise up to. 

[PADA: Yes, we have to worship a body, even the body of a pedophile, and not a pure devotee. The whole Lokanath program is based on worship of a bag of stools, and they cannot even find a nice non-pedophile bag of stools to worship, they have to make a pedophile bag of stools to worship. ]

Consequently, reformation is not really accepted by them. That's why once you get on a sexual offender list -- even for doing something innocuous like urinating in a public place -- you never can get off the list. And it is by the attitudes and standards typical of this profession that Lokanatha Maharaja is going to be judged.

[PADA: There is no such thing as a pedophile guru, and this has nothing to do with mundane laws about urinating in public.]  

The better solution is that instead of a CPO, create a varnashrama college that can help our society become organized according to varnashrama principles. The most important varnashrama principle is the separation of men and women in nearly every sphere of life.

[PADA: The acharya is the head of the varnas and ashramas, and if he is a pedophile, all the other varnas and ashramas will be contaminated by pedophile favorable consciousness.]

A good example of this was told to my by a devotee from an Iyengar family, a community of South Indian Brahmanas. He said that when he was a boy, he remembers that his sister used to bring a glass of milk to his father every morning for breakfast. But one day, after his sister brought milk to his father, his father then asked her, "How old are you?"

Daugher: "Ten"

Father: "From now on, you cannot bring me milk or anything to eat. Only your mother can do this from now on."

[PADA: This problem does not apply to acharyas, they are not influenced by mundane sex desires even if they are in a room full of naked women. The acharyas would already understand that these naked women are Krishna's property -- and they are not meant for their exploiting. Acharyas already know this.]

Now, that is varnashrama in action--matra svasra duhitra va na viviktasano bhavet, indriya balavan gramo vidvamsams api karshati, "One should not sit on the same seat with one's mother, sister, or daughter, for the senses are so strong that even a highly educated and culture man can become overwhelmed by sex attraction."

I have personally come to know that the CPO has investigated and judged devotee men who have fallen victim to being sexually attracted to their daughters. Such cases do exist. They are both anger-inducing and heart-breaking. But there is also no varnasrama education in our society. There is much education for "good touch bad touch", but no education practically that men and women should strictly avoid intermingling.

[PADA: Correct, Lokanath does not even understand basic sadhaka principles that sadhaka men should avoid sitting with women, their consciousness is subject to fail because they are sadhakas. Then, while pretending to be advanced from sex desire, he exploits a child. Very sinful, along with his enablers and apologists.] 

That lack of education is also due to the prominence of the Western Enlightenment idea that there is no such thing as fixed human nature. This idea is the basis of modern notions of gender-egalitarianism. But we dispute that idea--we say that human nature is fixed (men will be men, women will be women), and that society needs to be reorganized around that principle so that the two sexes are kept far apart. We say that if you do, then you will have a very peaceful society.

On the matter of child sexual abuse, the statistics are that 90% of victims are female, and 90% of perpetrators are male. 

[PADA: In ISKCON most of the molesting is male adults attracted to male minors. ISKCON has had a homosexual pedophile problem mainly.]

(This statistic comes from a pamphlet from the government of New South Wales, Australia, that the CPO had on their old website. I still have that pamphlet somewhere if anyone is interested.) And that statistic has not really changed over time, either. So, the question arises, "Do we really have a child sexual abuse problem, or do we have a male-female intermingling problem?"

[PADA: We have had a homosexual pedophile problem primarily, and then we have the enablers, facilitators, apologists and participants in the pedophile messiahs regime and program, like Lokanath swami.]

From the perspective of our Vaisnava siddhanta, we have a male-female intermingling problem. And if you take care of that by following varnasrama principles, then you have taken care of 90% of your child sexual abuse problem. That is the real solution, and it should have been implemented 30 or 40 years ago.

[PADA: Nope, there has been a homosexual pedophile program mainly, and Lokanath is one of the chief apologists and enablers of that regime.]

Indeed, Lokanatha Maharaja's case perfectly illustrates the pitfalls of even slightly violating the dictum from Bhagavatam that one should not sit on the same seat with one's mother, sister or daughter. Even there was never any sex attraction, the trouble from just the suspicion of it has nonetheless come. 

I'm sure that Maharaja himself would agree. The real solution is therefore to accept that Maharaja is a saintly person who has overcome a past mistake, and to guard against such happening to others by reorganizing our society according to varnasrhama-dharma.

All the time, money and effort spent on the CPO would have been much better spent on establishing a Varnashrama college and varnashrama education for the devotees in general. That would have done far more to curb child sexual abuse in our society than any other prevention program enacted thus far.

[PADA: A college that teaches people to worship pedophiles as their messiahs is not going to fix anything. ys pd]

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