Cyril Wohrer (Chandrashekar) Update (VIDEO)

 

Message from Chandrashekhar das:

on child abuse, leadership, and accountability.

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http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2021/07/is-iskcon-management-another-north-korea.html

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2021/07/cyril-wohrer-attacks-pada.html

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There is a certain sannyasa whose scandal has resurfaced after decades. 

PADA: Nope, there is a certain: -- sum total of the demigods acharya; parampara member; resident of Vaikuntha; rasika level assistant of Radharani; Krishna's guru successor; messiah of the jagat; who is being worshiped as another Vyasa; -- whose scandal has resurfaced. Of course here we go again, he is the successor  guru to Krishna, which is why he is engaged in zero tolerance deviations. 

And followers of Lokanath told me he is accepting their sins, which makes him another Jesus. Sorry, we cannot simultaneously wear the various hats of: a neophyte "in good standing"; an attempting but falling neophyte; a kanistha; an attempting but failing sannyasa; a temple administration leader; a zero tolerance criminal deviant -- and / or -- Krishna's guru successor, another Jesus etc. all at the same time. And this Cyril fellow says we do not know guru tattva, when he cannot clearly identify where is the guru in this whole situation? 

And this Cyril fellow called me a jerk, evidently because I am not blending all these levels together as one and the same? He says we should forgive others according to BG 9:30, which is why he blasts and insults other people as jerks right out of the gate, showing no actual signs of forgiving behavior himself.  

And now there is a whole push back to have him removed from the ecclesiastic and managing position. 

PADA: No, an "ecclesiastic manager" of the church is called (at best) a priest, or a ritvik, and not another messiah who is absorbing other's sins. If the priest deviates, sure we might give him another chance, but at no point do we think the priest is simultaneously the messiah of the church.  

The reason some Lokanath followers are giving critics death threats now is, they are being told he is their messiah. It is a fanatical cult. This has nothing to do with "Church administration personnel." Wow, this Cyril fellow seems to have no idea what is the difference between (A) the Church administration department -- and (B) another Jesus?  

A fallen person can just chant the holy name and continue service. 

PADA: OK wrong, being a successor to Krishna guru is not "a service." It is a position of full purity. A person who is still eating hot dogs can perform "service to Krishna" by attending a festival or something like that, but that does not mean the hot dog eater is also the next messiah of the jagat, just because he performs some "service"? 

On the other hand, false gurus are essentially doomed, because they are destined for the most obnoxious regions. There is no amount of "service" or "chanting" that will fix that process -- that we have ever seen recommend.  

In short, we cannot juxtapose and confuse the neophyte's position -- conducting basic levels of service, at best Church administration -- with the acharya, who has surpassed all the preliminary sadaka levels and stages. Again, this is mixing up hats. He has the hat of the neophyte, and a failing neophyte at that, and the acharya, simultaneously. Wrong. This is the defective idea called sahajiya-vada, telescoping neophytes with acharyas and pure devotees.

Krishna tells us we should accept a repenting person as a sadhu.

PADA: Where is the repenting here? To say acharyas are fallen, deviating, and are maybe sometimes pedophiles -- is one of the ten offenses to the holy name -- i.e. to consider the guru is an ordinary man, or worse, he is fallen -- maybe more fallen than the ordinary man. 

Notice how these ilk keep flipping hats around and around -- on the same person. He is maybe -- a pedophile, he is maybe -- a sannyasa, he is maybe -- a temple administrator, he is maybe -- a guru, he is maybe -- a fallen guy who is attempting to do service, he is maybe -- fallen but still a sadhu, he is maybe -- another messiah, etc. Repenting means, to admit all this is a giant scam and mis-representing of the teachings of Krishna.

Shastra just says, artificial acharyas are residents of hell. Bhagavad Gita 9:30 applies to us neophyte conditioned souls, those of us who are making an attempt, not to bogus acharyas. Rather false acharyas are condemned as residents of hell. A neophyte might fall down, but he is still considered as saintly. Fine! Yet that is not a license to claim -- "I am the next Jesus messiah of the Jagat," and orchestrate banning, beating, molesting, suing and killing Vaishnavas.

The GBC has said all along that their acharyas are regularly falling into illicit sex with men, women and children etc., because acharyas are often fallen debauchees. This is an offense to Krishna and His guru successors.

Lokanath has been part of that crowd -- which CONSTANTLY insults the post of acharyas all day, every day they exist since 1978, day in and day out. 

They have never repented for their saying that Krishna's successors and gurus are often illicit sex deviants, drunks, debauchees etc. -- instead -- they are trying to prop yet up another one of their sexual predators, perverts, and / or illicit sex deviants, this time Lokanath, after they already propped up and covered for many previous members of their illicit sex deviants posing as acharyas process. 

Apart from that, Lokanath is not resigning, which is what real repenting would start off with, and worse -- he is being encouraged not to resign by many big ISKCON leaders. Of course there is no such things as pedophile acharyas, suspended acharyas, voted in acharyas, acharyas resigning from the post etc., this is all concocted foolishness.  

When there is a serious transgression, especially pedophilia, they should be banned.

PADA: OK but what about all the people who are the original 1978 founder fathers of the entire pedophile messiahs regime and program, that has been banning, beating, molesting, suing, and killing dissenters since 1978 -- ok guys like Hrdayananda? Oh I forgot, he is still a valid authority. How can the founder fathers of an illicit sex with men, women and children, and maybe cats, "guru parampara from God" be valid authorities now? 

And why are we dissenters to the pedophile guru process banned, but not the pedophile gurus and / or their molesting webs and nests orchestrators, or the founder fathers, apologists, enablers and cheer leaders of the pedophile messiah's club? OK Hrdayananda's ilk.

And is it not also true that Srila Prabhupada says when a guru has sex with a follower, that is the same as a father having sex with his own daughter? And that would make a huge pile of pedophiles (or de facto) -- in the GBC's guru system. And this current cover up attempt is merely another example of a huge stockpile of these folks doing the same things over and over, for example when they tried to cover up for Jayatirtha's fall down way back in 1979, and then tried to paper over -- one after another examples -- of the same deviations.

Children from the gurukulas are giving their horror stories.

Yep, Hrdayananda's horror camp for children program destroyed many or most of the children, agreed. And that is why a number of the ex-children are infuriated that the orchestrators of the abuse regime are still strutting around acting as big authorities now. OK like Hrdayananda.

Some devotee wrote that he wanted to be initiated by Lokanath, and that is very selfish.

Why does the Hrdayananda program rubber stamp all these people as gurus since 1978, when he sees they are falling down left, right and center?

We should take an ISKCON guru at our risk and peril.

PADA: Where in the Vedas does it say we Vaishnavas should promote a pile of illicit sex with men, women, and children, and maybe sex with cats deviants, as the gurus of the institution, and let people "make their own (bad) choices"? 

This is like a used car sales operation, you might get a reasonable car, or it might explode and kill you. OK that means the dealer will be sued, because it is his job to make sure his cars are safe -- before -- he promotes the car. 

There are no examples of illicit sex deviants being promoted as Vaishnava acharyas in Vedic culture. Rather, we should worship the acharya, and have the conditioned neophytes acting as preachers, priests or "ecclesiastical administration" as he says herein. 

Notice how these people mix up sannyasa, fallen but still sadhu, ecclesiastical leader, administration leader, and -- the messiah who is taking one's sins and taking us back to God. Sorry, this is called hodge podge. The Church admin is not on the same level as Jesus, and that is simply common sense known to all rational people -- except these guys? 

When I was a kid one of the Church admins was caught with pornography in his locker, so they suspended the guy for one year from his Church position. That is the proper use of suspending, not that the messiah is caught with a porno and he is suspended.

The GBC gives people a green light to be guru.

The GBC gives a green light to deviants to be guru, and they have done so over and over and over and over. That is not the bona fide system.

They don't realize what hell the early kids went through.

PADA: Correct, Hrdayananda's program has been hell for kids. No question. Children were being starved, beaten, molested, given anal reconstructive surgery, while Hrdayananda has been riding around in a big car, living in a big house, being served huge feasts, and having all sorts of opulent lifestyle, and he still does live nicely while most of the kids got -- nothing. 

Then we have guys like Rupanuga saying that Srila Prabhupada appointed Madhyam adhikary devotees as his gurus. OK fine except -- illicit sex with men, women and children is not Madhyam. And Mr. Forgetful forgot -- they have been claiming to be Uttama gurus, Krishna's-padas etc. no less. 

And not Madhyam! 

Another guy who does not know which hat is which. This has to end because, ISKCON cannot survive with all this ridiculous hat switching on one person. We seniors have to decide if people are pedophiles or gurus ourselves, and not let this be decided "at the peril of the new people off the street." And until we find someone else qualified for the post, we need to promote Srila Prabhupada as that Uttama guru for the new people, and all people everywhere. 

ys pd 

Yep, as soon as we said there is child abuse:

The Hrdayananda program has 

ZERO TOLERANCE

for us "dissenters"

We are banned, beaten, exiled, vilified, demonized, sued and -- shot to death.  

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Hrdayananda is -- the victim?

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2021/07/iskcons-hrdayananda-das-goswami-laments.html