Krishna Dharma Opens Floodgates: Many More Gurus! (Dandavats)

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By Krishna dharma das

With the current furor surrounding the vexed issue of whether ladies should be allowed to give initiation, I thought it might be a good time to resurrect a few arguments I raised around 25 years ago in a paper entitled ‘Do we need a guru approval system?’ Some of you may recall that, I think it’s still languishing here on Dandavats. 

In that paper I argued that there were no compelling reasons why ISKCON needs to approve gurus, neither from the sastric nor managerial points of view. At the time I was considered by many devotees to be borderline insane for making such an outlandish proposal. ‘How could you even think of such a thing? We would be overrun by charlatans, upstarts and chancers of every complexion.’ This was the gist of the main objections, centred around the perfectly reasonable proposition that the GBC must oversee standards, although there were a few other demurrals along other lines such as gurus must be personally authorised by a higher authority. 

Not everyone disagreed though, and some of the thoughts I expressed have gained traction even within the GBC, with their concerns over the so called ‘parallel lines of authority.’ In light of the problems I began by mentioning, which I see as directly springing from the mistaken idea that the GBC must appoint (approve) gurus, I would like to revisit my ideas and try to address some of the objections I have so often heard. 

If your initial visceral response to my thoughts resembles the above, namely that Krishna dharma has lost his mind, poor fellow, then I only ask that you please try to bracket those feelings and carefully consider the reasoning I offer. It requires a little ‘out of the box’ thinking, as in essence I am asking that you try to envision a hypothetical situation where there are no institutional controls over initiations, and thus the problems I perceive as being caused by those very controls will not exist.

[PADA: This idea does not make much sense? For example Hansadutta has been a "guru" -- because a bunch of people including the ISKCON GBC made him one. And then he is out there shooting in downtown Berkeley with four large calibre guns at occupied buildings. 

And Hansadutta is then arrested carrying $15,000 in cash and there are open alcohol containers in the car, and then the story gets into all the newspapers. 

Yet Krishna dharma insists that our problems with all these gurus will only affect the guru and the disciples, and not the millions of people who read about these type scandals in the newspapers? I don't understand how these problems do not affect the mission, and the ISKCON devotees who allegedly had to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees / repair fees / to keep Hansadutta out of jail, or the congregation people who have had to pay for the $400M Windle Turley lawsuit, or the people who had to pay for the GBC vs Bangalore lawsuit and so on and so forth. Of course all these people are affected, and so is the image of the mission.

You mean to tell us -- anyone can now claim to be an ISKCON guru, and open the flood gates of having more and more "parampara members" for the already badly situated process of having out of control maverick people doing what they please in the name of guru? Worse! The problem of "controls" does not seem to exist anywhere here in this proposal, or with the existing GBC process either. Exactly how are we going to "control" people who claim to be talking directly to the supersoul aka Krishna, as diksha gurus? 

These "gurus" act like independent mavericks most of the time, and very little effect is ever done to control or contain their deviations. The problem is really -- under control of their maverick gurus, and not over control. Now we are going to add many more people direct or de facto to the ISKCON guru post, without fixing the original problem of lack of controls already existing. Our company makes cars that are already being safety recalled for starting on fire and having bad brakes, and killing people in the process, so -- lets flood the market with more and more of these same damaged cars?]

Firstly, what does sastra say about selecting a guru? Well, the Hari Bhakti Vilasa (HBV) deals extensively with the qualities of a bona-fide guru, providing a sizeable list of attributes one should look for in his choice of mentor, along with the qualifications of an authentic disciple. This book was compiled by Sanatana Goswami under the direct instructions of Lord Chaitanya, and we find this particular instruction in Chaitanya Charitamrita as follows:

guru-laksaṇa, sisya-laksaṇa, doṅhara parikṣaṇa
sevya — bhagavan, sarva-mantra-vicaraṇa

Your book should describe the characteristics of the bona fide guru and the bona fide disciple. Then, before accepting a spiritual master, one can be assured of the spiritual master’s position. Similarly, the spiritual master can also be assured of the disciple’s position. –CC Madhya Lila 24.330

Here the Lord asks that there be mutual testing of each other’s qualifications by both guru and disciple. No mention is made of a third party being required to oversee either party’s judgment. Nor do we find any such mention anywhere throughout the lengthy purport to that verse. Nor indeed do we find the HBV speaking about the need for third party oversight of either disciple or guru.

[PADA: There is already little to no oversight in the ISKCON guru process. For example, they had been siphoning off money meant to care for the gurukula children, so they could live like jet set Saudi princes. And then, ISKCON had to be sued for $400,000,000 for starving and abusing these kids, because the gurus were walking off with the funds meant for these type projects. This is the result of "no oversight." 

More of this "no oversight" policy will simply lead to more scandals, victims who will attack the society, if not legal problems for the society. And who is going to pay for all these legal problems incurred by the current gurus, or more of these independent maverick gurus if more are added? And if children's money is being used for something else, who is in charge of regulating that now? No one we know of? Right now a woman writes to PADA, she wants to write a complaint to the GBC, but there is no one to write to, they are all compromised.

And what about the CURRENT ISKCON GBC gurus who are STILL now living like Saudi princes, and getting hundreds of thousands of dollars of health care with servants etc. by siphoning off the ISKCON funds. Are they going to simply hand over control of ISKCON's (or their own personal) finances to "anyone who wants to be a guru"? This seems to be dreaming in color. 

These current GBC guru guys worked very hard to have people banned, beaten, sued and / or assassinated so they could usurp these assets. Why would they suddenly relinquish control of ANY of these assets to "anyone who wants to be a guru"? And if there is no method to fund the new wave of gurus, how can the proposed new wave of gurus program continue with no funding for their process? The current GBC who are exploiting the assets, are they going to allow some new wave of gurus to manifest -- which means they will have to surrender some of their assets. That is not going to work.

There has to be a system of control and oversight of the leaders of any institution for legal purposes. If the institution says that the leaders will not be managed, that would violate the articles of incorporation of the charity. The charity has to have a system of checks and balances to make sure it is not overtaken by maverick and potentially lawless leadership individuals (as has happened left, right and center in post 1977 ISKCON).    

Or else, that institution will eventually face government investigations for fraud (like the Syracuse court case); Police and SWAT raids; Child abuse court cases; And many other legal problems -- as has happened to ISKCON with this "no oversight of the guru" process. No institution can be "managed" legally where they say there will be: No oversight over the behavior of their designated gurus or leaders; No oversight over the funds; No oversight over the ownership of the properties; Never mind no oversight over whether the guru is even preaching what ISKCON is supposed to preach. 

Suppose the guru makes a disciple pregnant, and she then sues ISKCON for misrepresenting who is a guru. And then the court is told, its her fault because she accepted the wrong guru. Nope, the society is held accountable for the wrong actions of its gurus. And that is why ISKCON has become a bankrupted shell of an institution, the regular mundane society has held ISKCON accountable and had its police, courts and media take these false gurus to task, since the ISKCON society would not.]

They are both enjoined to make their own judgment. This makes perfect sense, as they are the only persons who will be affected by the initiation. The fact that I or anyone else may not see another person’s choice of guru as being properly qualified is entirely irrelevant. It is only the disciple who will stand or fall by his decision, and only the guru who must take responsibility for the disciple.

[PADA: Its not relevant if the new guru the "new disciple" selects is acting like a deviant or even a criminal? Sorry, criminal activity is relevant to the rest of the mundane society and they won't tolerate it forever. Moreover, why would we hand over controls of the guru selection process of our society to anyone and everyone. Should there not be a council of elders who decides who is a leader / guru and who is not? 

What kind of spiritual society hands over the controls of selecting the society's acharyas to the newest bhaktas who just joined the religion? Some new guy is joining ISKCON after being an alcoholic, and he is put in charge of selecting who is the acharya of the mission. Does this make any sense?] 

I should perhaps add here that there is also no injunction against seeking third party advice, and one may well desire such guidance, but my point is that it is not required. Mere testing by guru and disciple is all that is enjoined.

Let’s look at some common objections on this point. If I in my naivete and lack of sound spiritual judgment happen to choose an outright charlatan as my diksha guru, is that not going to impact on ISKCON? Will we not then have an unqualified individual masquerading as a bona-fide guru within our ranks? And is it not ISKCON’s responsibility to make sure that I am not misled by such rascals?

Okay, firstly, if the guru concerned is not approved by the GBC then he or she has no factual institutional standing. 

[PADA: OK then its not relevant to ISKCON, if its creating spin off competition for ISKCON? We already have many devotees siphoning off from the ISKCON society to other gurus and societies now. So we should encourage more ISKCON people to leave more ISKCON programs and join with other gurus and other outside institutions, which is how ISKCON has already lost tens of thousands of people already, they went off to other gurus and missions. Why do we need to encourage that idea? 

So if we increase the mass exodus to other gurus and programs, how does that help ISKCON? We should have people select a non-ISKCON guru, and have them run off to Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, Prem Prayojana, Jadurani, Siddhaswarupa, Tripurari, Mother Amma, Babajis, Gaudiya Matha et al. That is already going on full tilt, its draining people away from the society in droves and its making ISKCON into a ghost town. We need to -- increase that process? So we need MORE gurus who are NOT part of the institution of ISKCON, ok already going on left, right and center -- people are ALREADY leaving the GBC's gurus and going off to non-ISKCON gurus. People are leaving en masse in fact. How is this the way forward?]  

Their status as guru is only conferred by my acceptance of them as such. No one else need see them in the same light, and again, no one else need be personally affected by my choice. Without GBC backing my guru will have no institutional influence; such power derives only from having a post within the society that lies within the lines of managerial accountability.

[PADA: Right, because my guru will be part of another institution and not ISKCON, so lets drain away the few people remaining off shore to other guru programs. This guy wants to put the final nail in ISKCON's coffin. Lets start even more and more guru off shoot programs that are not even part of ISKCON, and make even more competition for ISKCON. Never mind the GBC spawned huge "off shoot" guru programs already that has drained away thousands of ISKCON citizens.]

And here is the answer to the concern that someone might wreak havoc in the society. We have managerial mechanisms for dealing with such issues. If a person is found to be causing problems, guru or otherwise, then the appropriate managerial steps can be taken. 

[PADA: He is not going to be part of ISKCON, so ISKCON rules will not apply to him. At the same time, where is the management when the already existing ISKCON gurus deviate?]

In any event, when does it matter if my guru is qualified or not? I can think of a few instances—deity worship, giving class, accepting a post in ISKCON maybe—that kind of thing. All such instances are dealt with locally by temple management, who will use their own determination and processes to ascertain the bona-fides of an individual. One’s choice of guru may be a factor, but in the situation I envision, where there are no institutional controls, the temple managers can decide for themselves if or not they want to accept the validity of an initiation. 

[PADA: So there will be a bunch of gurus, some of them will be accepted as part of ISKCON, some will not. And the ones who are not will take their flock off shore and start competing societies against ISKCON. That is already going on, which is why thousands of ex-ISKCON people are now residing in the competing programs. Why would we want to increase the exodus? 

And now we are going to have more people who are initiated by fallen people doing the deity worship. Why do we want unqualified people to worship the deity? Of course now the temples are so deteriorated, they have to get Sridhara, Narayana, Hindus or whomever they can to do the pooja, the temples are empty and so they have to get whomever they can recruit.]

They will anyway have to check the references of the individual concerned, and if they wish they can also check those of his or her guru. As it stands, one may well have a fallen guru and still be accepted for any of the above services. That is quite common. 

[PADA: Fallen gurus are quite common?, except Srila Prabhupada says there is no such thing as a fallen guru. If he is fallen, he never was a guru. So now we are going to standardize the idea that acharyas are commonly fallen deviants, in fact its quite common that God's successors are deviants.]

Or conversely one may be initiated by Srila Prabhupada but not be accepted for the service, for a whole host of other reasons. It is the qualification of the individual that matters, not so much that of his or her guru. The qualification of a person’s guru is really only a concern when one is seeking initiation from that person; when we want to be sure that he or she is rightly situated in the parampara. And that is part of the testing process the disciple must undertake.

The problem of institutional influence is created when the guru is given institutional backing, i.e. approval. Then, if by some misfortune the guru goes go awry, the institution has a major problem on its hands. 

[PADA: So we certified bad used cars but tried to regulate that, but now we should simply allow anyone to sell used cars with no regulations. That will make used car dealers even more suspect ... and its a self evident cop out. We did not regulate our used car business well and got sued, so now we will not have any regulations. And we are going to offer bhogha to fallen people, because its the quality of the person making the offering and not the quality of the person its being offered to. This makes no sense? If there is a good person he is not going to want to offer bhogha to falling down people.]

It must rescind its approval and somehow inform the disciples that their guru maharaja lord and master has gone off the rails, even though they previously gave him their imprimatur. How on earth are they supposed to monitor the situation anyway, ensuring that all their officially endorsed gurus are staying on the straight and narrow? 

[PADA: They were never authorized to rubber stamp conditioned souls as acharyas in the first place. They were supposed to act as regulated agents, or priests, or ritviks, and have the church council monitor the priest.]

Subtle deviations can so easily creep in and are not always so easy to spot. To be frank, I have seen and heard some extremely dubious things from approved gurus, but so often the tendency of disciples is to almost blindly accept everything, because after all the GBC has given the stamp of approval. But returning to my point, if there is no institutional authorisation there is no need for them to monitor the gurus, because the only persons who need be concerned are those accepting the guru as their guide. And hopefully they will keep at least a part of their intelligence awake to the possibility that anyone can fall victim to maya.

[PADA: OK so we have to offer bhogha to the guru, he may be fallen and he may not be, so how are we going to even get people to eat prasadam if they are not even told who to offer the bhogha to? This is the problem we have with Hanuman Croatia ilk. We cannot offer bhogha and disciples to the pure devotee, but Hanuman has no idea who should get these offerings? Does he think we can offer bhogha and disciples to Santa Claus, or whom, he never says. Of course Hanuman promotes ISKCON's Sridhara swami, the "jolly guru" who was laughing as his victims were being banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed. That's the time to start comedy hour jokes and laughing?]

Of course, the GBC are charged with overseeing spiritual standards, but what does that entail? As I understand it, they must first ensure that all projects affiliated with ISKCON are properly following Srila Prabhupada’s instructions in alignment with the siddhanta he taught. There should not be any bogus philosophy espoused or evinced in any centre. 

[PADA: There is no instruction to rubber stamp ISKCON gurus, or to allow non-ISKCON gurus from other programs to participate in ISKCON.]

Fine, but how does approving gurus do anything to assist in this regard? Again, local authorities will monitor their own situations, and whether an individual is approved as guru or not is irrelevant. The quality of one’s katha or preaching is what matters, and in fact local authorities need to be more on their guard when officially approved gurus are around, as they are taken much more seriously than anyone else. More about that shortly. Without mentioning names, I know of temples that have blacklisted certain approved gurus for fear of their influence.

[PADA: OK so a person is preaching that gurus are often debauchees, or that it is common that acharyas are deviating, and that is "high quality katha"? Nope. Srila Prabhupada says anyone who preaches that acharyas are deviants is a resident of naraka, and they are already residing there. There is no good quality katha in preaching from the hellish planets. What kind of word jugglery is this, people who reside on naraka planets are "preaching good katha"?]

How about the danger of devotees being misled? Should the GBC not be there to protect them? Yes, of course, but again what does that entail? Do they not do this by ensuring that temples are not succumbing to the influence of false doctrines, by making sure that the temple leaders are preaching and teaching correctly? So how does approving gurus make any difference? Everyone, approved or otherwise, siksha or diksha guru, must be subject to the same scrutiny at the point of action. Again, giving a person the official stamp of approval exacerbates this problem as he is then elevated to a position of high esteem.

And as far as misleading individuals is concerned, there are so many corrupting influences that we might be exposed to every day. Asat-sanga abounds everywhere, and it is for us to ensure that we are properly hearing and chanting in order to protect our intelligence. Indeed, the best and perhaps only real protection an authority can give is to offer sufficient and proper training in how to take shelter of our philosophy. Should we not be showing devotees how to think for themselves, rather than telling them what they should think, and then trying to control them with legislation? Srila Prabhupada comments on this in connection with governmental leadership in Srimad Bhagavatam:

“Simply enforcing laws and ordinances cannot make the citizens obedient and lawful. That is impossible. Throughout the entire world there are so many states, legislative assemblies and parliaments, but still the citizens are rogues and thieves. Good citizenship, therefore, cannot be enforced; the citizens must be trained.” – SB 9.10.50 purport.

People are always free to do what they choose. You cannot control those choices, not even Krishna does that, he gives us that much freedom. We can restrict our freedom by foolish choices, but such restriction is merely the natural consequences of our misusing our liberty. 

[PADA: OK so if there is freedom to accept non-ISKCON gurus as gurus for ISKCON people, there will soon be no ISKCON at all. Everyone will be part of the non-ISKCON guru program, which is already taking tens of thousands of people away from ISKCON as we speak.]

It therefore behoves leaders to ensure that those in their care are properly educated so that they can make informed choices. I would argue that the very fact that the GBC does not wholly trust the discrimination of devotees to make their own free choice of guru indicates a weakness in our education. It seems to me that the assumption underlying the guru approval process is that devotees, no matter how long they have been practising, are not capable of making an independent decision on who should be their guru.

[PADA: Anyone who accepts Srila Prabhupada as their guru is often banned, maybe beaten, sued, and even assassinated. There is no freedom to chose Srila Prabhupada as ones guru. This is a myth.]

Gurus also cannot make an independent decision about who can be their disciples. On both sides there is oversight, even though these are highly subjective decisions, and despite the fact that sastra, as shown above, fully devolves the responsibility of choice to the parties involved. 

[PADA: OK we are not going to have oversight, but we are not going to allow the gurus to act independently. Makes no sense.] 

And, to make it even more questionable, the GBC themselves make an official disclaimer in their guru law book that their approval does not guarantee anything. One must still use his own discrimination.

[PADA: Also false, many people have rejected their GBC guru and they wanted to worship Srila Prabhupada and then they were banned, they were not allowed to use their own choice. We hear from these type people all day every day.]

It could be argued that devotees are indeed free to choose who they like. The only requirement is that one’s choice must be scrutinised by ISKCON authority and duly approved, and even that is only if you want to work within the institution. However, this has numerous drawbacks. Firstly, as I suggest above, it contravenes sastra. 

Secondly, it effectively creates a class of diksha gurus who are viewed as something quite apart from everyone else. What we generally observe is that devotees will select someone from the list of approved gurus, even though they may have had little or no contact with that person and may well have scant dealings with them even after taking initiation. 

[PADA: Yes, Swarupa Damodar, later on Narayana Maharaja, their followers were initiated here but there was little to no ongoing follow up. So there was some pot smoking, lesbian marriages, and who knows what else. There was no actual ongoing guidance, that was a myth.] 

As far as testing goes, because the guru is already approved and has many disciples, we see that most often there is hardly any serious examination in terms of sastric guidance. Thirdly, those who are not approved, even though they may have done all the hard work of making and nurturing a devotee, will likely be marginalised as less significant (after all, there must be some reason why they are not authorised, right?) and then left aside as that devotee chooses someone else as their life and soul.

We now have tens of thousands of devotees in our society. Many of them have been serious practitioners for decades and are quite capable of giving siksha to younger devotees, and in many cases are doing just that. Ultimately, it is siksha that is most important, ours is a siksha line, diksha itself has no real value if the disciple does not accept siksha, so why are we making artificial distinctions between siksha and diksha? Okay, their dealings are different, but of siksha guru sastra says in Caitanya Caritamrita:

One should know the instructing spiritual master to be the Personality of Krishna. Lord Krishna manifests Himself as the Supersoul and as the greatest devotee of the Lord. –CC Adi Lila 1.47,

And in the purport to that verse:

There is no difference between the shelter-giving Supreme Lord and the initiating and instructing spiritual masters. If one foolishly discriminates between them, he commits an offense in the discharge of devotional service.

Srila Prabhupada further says in Srimad Bhagavatam:

According to sastric injunctions, there is no difference between siksha-guru and diksha-guru, and generally the siksha-guru later on becomes the diksha-guru. –SB 4.12.32

This hardly ever happens in our society now. 

[PADA: Its worse than that, the senior devotees were for the most part purged out and then replaced with low-lifes, criminals, molesters, women abusers, deviants, and so forth. That is still going on to some extent evidently, which is why we hear reports of property scams, kicking people out, death threats and so forth still manifesting from the criminal elements.]

Although the ‘no-objection’ system is meant to make it easy for devotees to take up the role of diksha guru, it just isn’t happening. There are only 80 or so approved gurus, a number that has hardly changed in the last twenty years or so. Hence the current approved gurus take on more and more disciples that they have little chance of ever actually guiding, hence we see the creation of imaginative ideas like mentor systems where the mentors who actually do the guidance don’t require GBC approval. Which sort of defeats the object a bit, I would suggest.

Actually, Srila Prabhupada wanted millions of gurus:

So try to follow the path of acharya process. Then life will be successful. And to become acharya is not very difficult. First of all, to become very faithful servant of your acharya, follow strictly what he says. Try to please him and spread Krishna consciousness. That’s all. It is not at all difficult. Try to follow the instruction of your Guru Mahārāja and spread Krishna consciousness. That is the order of Lord Caitanya.

āmāra ajñāya guru hañā tāra’ ei deśa
yāre dekha tāre kaha krishna upadesa

(CC Madhya 7.128)

“By following My order, you become guru.” And if we strictly follow the acharya system and try our best to spread the instruction of Krishna… Yare dekha tare kaha ‘krishna’-upadesa (CC Madhya 7.128). There are two kinds of krisha-upadesa. Upadesa means instruction. Instruction given by Krishna, that is also ‘krishna’-upadesa, and instruction received about Krishna, that is also krishna upadesa. Krishnasya upadesa iti Krishna upadesa. Samasa, sasti-tat-puruṣa-samasa. And Krishna viṣaya upadesa, that is also Krishna upadesa. Bahu-vrihi-samasa. 

This is the way of analyzing Sanskrit grammar. So Krishna’s upadesa is Bhagavad-gītā. He’s directly giving instruction. So one who is spreading krishna upadesa, simply repeat what is said by Krishna, then you become acharya. Not difficult at all. Everything is stated there. We have to simply repeat like parrot. Not exactly parrot. Parrot does not understand the meaning; he simply vibrates. But you should understand the meaning also; otherwise how you can explain? So, so we want to spread Krishna consciousness. Simply prepare yourself how to repeat Krishna’s instructions very nicely, without any malinterpretation. Then, in future… Suppose you have got now ten thousand. We shall expand to hundred thousand. That is required. Then hundred thousand to million, and million to ten million.

Devotees: Haribol! Jaya!

Prabhupāda: So there will be no scarcity of ācārya, and people will understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness very easily. So make that organization. Don’t be falsely puffed up. Follow the ācārya’s instruction and try to make yourself perfect, mature. Then it will be very easy to fight out māyā. Yes. Ācāryas, they declare war against māyā’s activities. –Lecture on CC Adi-lila 1.13 — Mayapur, April 6, 1975.

Here also Srila Prabhupada addresses the question of authorisation. It is not that you must be given a personal order. That was not done in Srila Prabhupada’s case, certainly no public declaration was made, nor in the case of his guru, or his grand guru before that, and so on. As we see from the above, the order is already there, and it simply behoves the disciple to take up that order and become authorised by strictly following the authority. 

Even if we are approved or officially authorised, if we do not properly follow we lose our so called authority. Again, it is for the disciple to examine the guru to ensure that he or she is indeed authorised by their strict adherence to the parampara.

Srila Prabhupada wrote to one disciple:

Keep trained up very rigidly and then you are bona fide Guru, and you can accept disciples on the same principle. But as a matter of etiquette it is the custom that during the lifetime of your Spiritual master you bring the prospective disciples to him, and in his absence or disappearance you can accept disciples without any limitation. This is the law of disciplic succession. I want to see my disciples become bona fide Spiritual Master and spread Krishna consciousness very widely, that will make me and Krishna very happy. –Srila 

Prabhupada Letter: Tusta Krsna —2 December, 1975

And even if we want to have a standard such as Bhaktivedanta Degrees for devotees acting as guru (which is not now the case, of course), there is still no need for approvals by the GBC. All they would need to do is state that one’s diksha initiation will not be accepted as valid unless the guru has passed XYZ exam. Disciples could then make their own decision about whether or not they wish to accept a person who has not passed that exam.

As far as I can see by approving diksha gurus we simply create problems, such as the Vaishnavi diksha guru issue. If the GBC stopped approving gurus that issue would vanish. It would then be down to individuals to decide if they want to select a Vaishnavi as their guru, and the society can decide at the point of application if or not they want to recognise the validity of those initiations. 

No one else need be bothered. 

[PADA: The society itself is tightly controlled by the existing gurus, and they will not allow any serious competition for the assets of the mission.]

After all, who is anyone to say that another person’s choice of guru is wrong? And if it is, so what? It’s not affecting them in any way, unless they choose to get bothered about it. Similarly, ritvik, another disturbing controversy that would very likely vanish if approvals stopped. 

[PADA: What you are suggesting is largely the ritvik idea. No more guru by rubber stamp, and make this a shiksha mainly (priests or ritviks) process. And then there will be no need to monitor conditioned soul acharyas, because none will be allowed.]

At least the GBC would no longer be subject to calumny from ritvik followers, who would be left having to direct their disapproval toward individual devotees for taking diksha from gurus that they, the ritviks, consider unqualified. 

[PADA: Nope, Prithu made a video denouncing Hrdayananda. Bhakti Vikas swami regularly attacks the other GBC gurus. Basu Ghosh just blasted the GBC gurus. Various GBC don't approve of Radhanath. Some GBC folks say they will sue the other GBC if they make women gurus. Abhiram just now said the GBC gurus are defective and raja guna. The GBC folks themselves are saying their gurus are not authorized, we agree.] 

And again, who are they to make such judgments? It’s really none of their business. In fact, the HBV even says that one should keep his mantra and his guru secret. 

[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada says a person who does not name their guru is a mayavada. Wow, now Dandavats is openly promoting mayavada?] 

If we observed that protocol instead of having grand diksha ceremonies in temples, guru acronyms appended to one’s name, the term ‘ISKCON guru’ widely used in our public propaganda, etc, then the criticism would pretty much dry up. But if the GBC insist on approving gurus and we continue with our present culture then the problems will never go away, as far as I can see.

Without official ratification gurus will be nothing more than guides for as many persons as he or she can influence by his or her association. Okay, there may still be the occasional dubious charismatic who attracts numerous followers, but again if this is posing any problem then the managerial mechanisms are there. And if the society’s leaders take seriously their responsibility to teach and train devotees, then there will be much less chance that false and cheating gurus will flourish (not that it hasn’t happened anyway, even with the approvals).

I would like to end with a couple more quotes from Srila Prabhupada about the importance of sastric training, which I think is critical:

So especially you (leaders) must encourage the students to read our books throughout the day as much as possible, and give them all good advice how to understand the books, and inspire them to study the things from every point of view. In this way, by constantly engaging our tongues in the service of the Lord, either by discussing His philosophy or by chanting Hare Krishna, the truth is that Krishna Himself will reveal Himself to us and we shall understand how to do everything properly. 

Now we have got so many students and so many temples but I am fearful that if we expand too much in this way we shall become weakened and gradually the whole thing will become lost. Just like milk. We may thin it more and more with water for cheating the customer, but in the end it will cease to be any longer milk. Better to boil the milk now very vigorously and make it thick and sweet, that is the best process. So let us concentrate on training our devotees very thoroughly in the knowledge of Krishna consciousness from our books, from tapes, by discussing always, and in so many ways instruct them in the right propositions.” (SPL to Hamsaduta, 22nd June, 1972)

You mention you like to speak now very often, but the first business should be to preach to the devotees. It is better to maintain a devotee than to try to convince others to become devotees. It is the duty of the GBC to maintain the devotees, keep them in the highest standard of Krishna Consciousness, and give them all good instruction, and let them go out and preach for making more devotees. Your first job should be to make sure that every one of the devotees in your zone of management is reading regularly our literatures and discussing the subject matter seriously from different angles of seeing, and that they are somehow or other absorbing the knowledge of Krishna Consciousness philosophy. 

If they are fully educated in our philosophy and if they can get all of the knowledge and study it from every viewpoint, then very easily they will perform tapasya or renunciation and that will be their advancement in Krishna Consciousness. So first thing is to instruct all of your temple presidents and the other devotees to read daily, just as we have done in our morning class in Los Angeles. You may remember that we were reading one sloka each morning in Sanskrit and reciting it altogether and then discussing it thoroughly by seeing different new things. So you introduce this system and train the devotees first. Don’t be too much concerned for the time being with nondevotees, now we must fix-up what devotees we have got in the knowledge of Krishna Consciousness, then we will succeed. What good are many, many devotees if none of them are knowledgeable? -Letter to: Satsvarupa — Los Angeles 16 June, 1972

Your aspiring servant

Krishna dharma das

[PADA: So now we should have a new set of gurus who are not approved by the GBC and who are not even part of ISKCON. OK that is already going on, the Gaudiya Matha gurus are siphoning people away left, right and center. 

Is this not what happened in the Gaudiya Matha? The first wave of bogus gurus crashed on the beach, so another man comes, then another, then another ... and in this way their policy was to kill guru and become guru themselves. And Krishna dharma wants to open to flood gates to duplicate their failed policy?

We should have gurus that are not being given oversight, except the temple presidents will give them oversight. What?

We should have a shiksha guru system, which is what the ritviks propose, but they are deviants. We should allow people to claim they have the same capacity as Jesus, they can absorb sins as diksha gurus, but we should not take care to make sure they have this capacity. OK we are going to cheat people that their sins are being absorbed, knowing they are not being absorbed. Why not just make Srila Prabhupada the acharya and have the rest of us acting as his shiksha agents (the ritvik idea)? Then the GBC can act as a church council and monitor the priests, which is what was supposed to happen all along. ys pd] 

Srila Prabhupada's Books Banned in ISKCON Maypapura

Krishna Avatara Dasa

Iskcon authorities has banned us, Caitanya Candra Prabhu and me Krishna Avatara Dasa from distributing Prabhupada's original books in the Mayapur Grihasta area. Unintelligible that Prabhupada's vani is banned access to Prabhupada's own temples and areas within Iskcon !

In the photo you can see two Prabhupada disciples to my left, who bought books from us, before Prabhupada's original books were banned and unwanted on Iskcon territory. Right now, Iskcon is running a lawsuit to stop printing all of Prabhupada's original books. So in the future it is not legal to print Prabhupada's original books anymore! 

[PADA: Yep, ISKCON advertises a "spiritual city" in Mayapura, where we can worship their illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara. They don't need Srila Prabhupada's books already, because their debauchee's guru program is not found in his books. Thus they have to ban his worship, his devotees, and his books, so they can get people to worship their debauchees as acharyas process -- and the bogus books written by their speculators and mayavadas whom they rubber stamp as gurus. The only good news is, more people are catching on to this deviant process. ys pd] 

Abhiram Das (ACBSP) On GBC's "Rajasic" Gurus

You mean you folks did not already know:

This guy cannot absorb sins like Jesus?

And neither can your "female diksha gurus"! 

By: Abhiram Das (ACBSP) Posted on December 29, 2019

To all who aspire to serve and those who do serve Srila Prabhupada,

My sincere obeisance.

I have been reflecting on the FDG issue, which some of you are currently debating with a majority of our GBC Godbrothers and feel that understanding of any such issue requires it firstly to be put into context.

Please keep in mind that I do not enter this discussion enthusiastically, but as a concession to requests by a few beloved godbrothers. So at risk of appearing presumptuous, I beg for all who may read this to forgive me if you find this offends. It is not intended and I clearly understand my own numerous disqualifications to advise any vaishnava.

Firstly, let us consider the forum for which this new approach (FDG) to diksha has been sanctioned, namely the GBC.

This is the same forum with a history of making some massively destructive decisions, such as the full endorsement (and in fact enforcement) of the disastrous Zonal Acharya System. 

[PADA: Sorry, the GBC gurus still have zones designated every year at Mayapur. Jayapataka has been the zonal guru of Mayapur forever; Gopal Krishna has been the zonal guru of Delhi; Hrdayananda has been the zonal guru for parts of South America; Bhakti Vikas swami has had his little area in Salem India, and so on and so forth. There are still "zonal areas" designated for their acharyas even now, this process has not been dismantled whatever. Of course if the GBC has a history of disastrous and destructive decisions, then that means -- they are not gurus, either male or female.] 

This was the (same) forum that oversaw the gurukula system for decades, only scrambling to ‘reform’ (not yet done well) gurukula and protect our children (also currently underfunded) long after it was impossible to avoid. 

[PADA: Yes, some people like for example various GBC defenders, Gaudiya Matha defenders, HKC Jaipur people like Prahlad das etc. kept saying to PADA, "Why would anyone want to stop our wonderful program of having a nice anal reconstructive surgery epidemic for little boys, and have these little boys worship the leaders of that process as their messiahs, and then have our victims commit suicide. Why does anyone think this is a bad process"? 

And so they protested vociferously when their buggery process and illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs project was being exposed. However, as Abhirama points out, the problem had to be exposed so that "it was impossible to avoid." True dat! And who was in charge when all this was going on, the wonderful "pure devotees from heaven" gurus from the GBC.]   

This is the same forum that blindly supported fallen sanyassis and even so-called gurus, until the evidence was impossible to ignore. 

[PADA: OK and what about the fact that so many thousands of people had to be banned, removed, exiled, some were beaten, some were sued and some were assassinated to facilitate the cover up of these fallen gurus?] 

Most certainly the above are just a few of numerous errors in judgement, proving to any rational mind that this GBC body is far from perfect and even far from being very good at their job as ISKCON’s ultimate managing authority. 

[PADA: So they are gurus, but they are far from perfect, full of numerous errors in judgement, and not even good at their job of managing. In fact a devotee said that even if we paid $10 million dollars and hired a professional advertising agency to give Krishna a bad name, that company could never have come close to doing the damage to Krishna's name the GBC has done. 

Notice also that they are always saying that gurus are mundane, defective, gurus are fools, gurus are deviants, gurus are bad managers etc. ... and that means they have the disease of thinking guru is ordinary. Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks guru is ordinary is a resident of hell, which would include their whole lot apparently.]

In many, many crucial moments in our institutions history, in fact, the GBC body did the very worst thing, often to appease the strong and popular while compromising the purity and integrity of ISKCON. Please consider this my first piece of evidence, for what I hope will be a useful suggestion for preserving the institution and that is that our GBC has failed as much as succeeded and in the most crucial times failed more then succeeded in preserving the integrity of the institution. 

If we cannot learn from history, or reflectively review our past, we are doomed. From this point I intend sounding the alarm of caution to not ‘rush to judgement’ as humans in power are want to do.

Next I suggest another aspect of the big picture within which this FDG issue is being considered and that is the argument of expediency and need to attract ‘modern’ westerners to our flock. Please consider for a moment if the pace and size of growth to which we unthinkingly assume is our duty to achieve, was truly what Srila Prabhupada wanted. 

What did he mean by so many statements like ‘those selling diamonds should not expect many customers’? Why did he close down Vishnujana Swami’s Roadshow when it was so popular? Why did he caution us about enjoying kirtan vs seeking only to please the Lord (calling that mood “Kali Kirtan”)? And why did he repeat on a number of occasions “Boil the milk”?

In my presence in late 77 he again said: “No more growth”. What this would have required of us was so unthinkable that the leaders present never once repeated it, what to speak of considered it, because it would require us to come up from devotional service in rajagun to performing our devotional service in more pure goodness. 

[PADA: Oh no, they made raja guna people into their acharyas! Umm nope, illicit sex with men, women and children, drinking vodka, shooting guns at occupied buildings, wearing condoms when having illicit sex with followers etc ... its tamasa guna, or less.]

Why also when Srila Prabhupada approved (again in my presence) any and all devotees to come to be with him in Vrndaban did the leaders (GBC) decide that they knew better and hide this fact, in favor of the book marathons going on in the Christmas Season? I suggest the reason was that from the mode of passion they ass-ummed that this was not the right choice and thus chose to violate his desire / order.

[PADA: OK well maybe its because Srila Prabhupada was complaining of being poisoned and they wanted that covered up?]

Now, we face a new challenge, a new crossroads, which will have far greater consequences then the Zonal Acharya System and all the other blunders put together. If we claim that this will increase our success, have we first tried the methods championed by Mahaprabhu and Srila Prabhupada, such as massive HariNam Sankirtan in the USA? I recall my own last attempt at this, sitting on the cement of Union Square with a band of true believers for five years, when I had already crossed my 60th birthday, but getting only token participation from my senior godbrothers. 

But now, having abandoned traditional methods of propagation, we come up with new ways to attract. And do we want those recruits so badly that we allow them to dictate abandoning tradition in favor of untested social reconstructions? Have we also decided that growth alone, no matter the quality of surrender and in spite of statements to the contrary by Srila Prabhupada is the goal? There is no evidence that large popularity among the foolish populace is a better result than a few devotees with a deep conviction and eagerness to surrender.

Then to disregard all other vaishnav sampradayas, as if they are fools. To Americanise, modernise and alter age old traditions without much deeper review seems reckless at least. Currently, ISKCON has become very dependent on the participation and support of Indian devotees and congregations. 

Despite the impressions they give, due to their culture, they are only faithful to the traditions that they currently believe ISKCON embodies. As soon as they doubt our commitment to those traditions, they will depart or reorganise (outside of GBC leadership) in droves. Please consider that our stock of gurus and GBC are not half as impressive or charismatic as we think we are. It is substantially because of the gold standard of Vedic Culture and their belief that Srila Prabhupada is a genuine acharya of vedic culture that attacks them.

This is an extremely emotive, weighty issue, whose consequences could be catastrophic if gotten wrong. When the GBC cannot conclude on a Constitution for decades and even minor issues can remain in debate and committees for years on end, is it wise to rush on this monumental issue?

Has anyone requested vaishnava scholars to write papers on the subject? Has anyone asked Pradyumna Prabhu to chime in, after he alone saw the folly of the Zonal Acharya System before anyone even suspected?

To rush to judgement on an issue that requires far more consideration, to appease, appears to be highly irresponsible and even arrogant. This is as far as I wish to tread at the moment, for I am not a scholar, nor can I lay claim to the lofty title of vaishnav, but I have been around since 1969 and had my eyes partially open and observing and considering the lessons of history is one thing that I do a little well.

Again, I beg your forgiveness to my impertinence, but I have been forced by both insistence from some revered godbrothers and by my sense of obligation to the truth and Srila Prabhupada to speak something. I sincerely hope it helps stimulate thought, rather then offense.

With humility

Abhiram Das (ACBSP)

[PADA: Yep, all hell is breaking lose, fools are sitting on big seats, children are being molested, people are being banned, beaten, molested, sued and assassinated, and these guys are "reluctant to speak out." And the people who were reluctant to speak out when Draupadi was being insulted so much infuriated Krishna, He decided then and there they would all have to die. Why is is that almost no one wants to speak up when all this crap is going on left, right and center? ys pd] 

Jayananda Bhagavad Gita Class (Video)

RE: Bhaktivedanta Institute Princeton BVISCS (Madhava Puri Maharaja)

BVISCS Princeton

Paramadvaiti swami

Present acharya of the Sridhara Maharaja mission?

Ooops, complaints he is a predator of female disciples?

Who is in charge of their mission if this stuff is allowed?

http://bviscs.org/

‎Sri Chaitanya Saraswat Institute of Spiritual Culture & Science‎ 
to Ontological Distinction BTW MECH. Chemical & Biological Systems

Modern Science must answer the question:

What automates the animate living objects that does not seem to be present in the dead ones?

"We consider animate objects to be living, and the inanimate ones dead. Yet we consider both as being material objects since they are both composed of atoms and molecules. Even if the composition may be a little different for the two, still the living objects can die and thus become the same as the dead objects. Thus the difference does not seem to be specifiable within the material aspect of the object."

⁠— Sripad Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja, Ph.D.

(Serving Director of Princeton Bhakti Vedanta Institute of Spiritual Culture and Science, NJ, USA)

PADA: Thanks for your question S Dasi about the idea of preaching to scholars and in particular your nearby "preaching at Princeton." First of all, there needs to be some sort of spiritual foundation for any bona fide preaching. And the Bhakti Madhava Puri Maharaja program supports and promotes BR Sridhara Maharaja, founder father of the bi-sexual acharya's program of the 1936 Gaudiya Matha. 

Did I forget to mention the current alleged "Sridhara Maharaja acharya successor" Paramadvaiti swami has ALSO had various complaints of alleged sexual predatory nature with female followers, including apparently minor aged females, as one "not so secret" photo seems to indicate? 

It is self evident why the "guru" Paramadvaiti swami continues to act as a spiritual guide, there are no functioning checks and balances in their process. Notice also that despite all sorts of nonsense going on with various alleged "God's guru successors" in their mission, there seems to be no method to contain their false guru outcroppings. That means Sridhara Maharaja is making a huge mistake by rubber stamping these maverick independent -- if not debauchee -- people as acharyas in the first place, and thus empowering, enabling, establishing, supporting and co-creating such false gurus. 

Then Sridhara handily says he is "staying aloof" after his Frankenstein false gurus start causing mayhem everywhere, including sometimes orchestrating murders of dissenters. And the followers of Sridhara Maharaja do basically the same thing, they are no where to be found when their zombie Frankenstein false acharyas start to run amok. Sulochana said that when His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura said there will be a fire in the math, it was Sridhara Maharaja who was then tossing fire bombs around the place to light the place up with his false acharya's idea. And now Paramadvaiti is running amok and their policy is the same, to "stay aloof." Great, that really helps!

And in the 1930s, those who refused to worship Sridhara's bi-sexual deviant 1936 messiah found themselves being banned, beaten, having their faces pushed into dogs stools, some had their skulls cracked with bricks, and some were killed. So Sridhara Maharaja was already well known after 1936 to be the founder / promoter of his own self generated false messiah's project -- which may create subsequent violent personality cult bogus guru programs. How are scholars going to be attracted to this process, when the temples of these false guru folks are empty ghost towns? Even the regular rank and file devotees have rejected all this and exited en masse, never mind the scholarly.

Sridhara's false guru program forced people to worship deviants as their gurus, or face dire consequences including assassinations. And in sum -- his program produces a culture where dissenters are banned, beaten and even killed. And that is also what people are telling PADA now, they cannot complain about the so-called Sridhara Maharaja successor "Paramadvaiti swami" in their location because he has "violent fanatical followers."

And after Sridhara's 1936 false guru fiasco went down in flames, after 1977 Sridhara Maharaja endorsed yet another wave of false gurus, this time the GBC's bogus 11 gurus. And the same things happened, dissenters were being banned, beaten, sued and assassinated. Of course all sorts of other crimes were going on left, right and center from among Sridhara's "appointed 11 gurus" sabha. And worse, children were being mistreated and molested, and the same things happened, those of us who protested these deviations were being violently suppressed by the regime Sridhara Maharaja was supporting.

Same basic thing was going on with the ISKCON "Bhaktivedanta Institute" headed by Swarupa Damodar Maharaja also known as Dr. Thoudam Damodara Singh. He was promoting the study of the relationship between science and Vedanta. Except he forgot something, no where in Vedanta are we told to worship Swarupa Damodara's (GBC's) illicit sex deviants program as God's guru successors? So all he is doing is turning the intelligent and scholarly class AWAY from the Vedic process by misrepresenting that the Vedas teach that we have to worship a lineage of fools and debauchees to attain God. 

That foolishness is not ever going to be accepted by intelligent scholars, or even our local trash man. No actual religion teaches that the path to God is to worship sexual predators and deviants as God's "living successors." Nor do we find bona fide acharyas being voted into such illicit sex guru projects like Swarupa Damodara was "2/3 show of hands voted in," after Sridhara Maharaja said the bogus 11 could vote in more gurus, like Swarupa Damodara was. How can deviants vote for others as acharyas?

Swarupa Damodar was also co-founder and regional director of United Religions Initiative, meanwhile supporting the GBC who says worship of Jesus is the bogus ritviks program. How can we unite religions by telling people they cannot worship their acharya, and we need to worship the voted in GBC debauchees acharyas process instead? 

Anyway, before we can preach to the scholars, we need to provide them with a bona fide person that they can have faith in -- to see as the worshiped personality who represents the Vedas. Guess what? Illicit sex with men, women and children deviants are not going to be accepted as gurus by such scholars. 

It always amazed me that when Hansadutta was being arrested for shooting at occupied buildings and so on and so forth, the ISKCON "Bhaktivedanta Institute" people were trying to organize a "conference of scholars," who would be told -- they have to worship someone like Hansadutta as God's messiah if they wanted to accept the Vedas. That is the way to convince the scholars? 

Anyway, Sridhara Maharaja was a huge supporter of the 11 GBC gurus, and the original advocate of their system of voting in more gurus, as if the people engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children can vote in more messiahs? No scholarly person worth his pedigree will accept this. These folks need to first of all establish who is the acharya of the Vedas, before they can get large numbers of people to accept the Vedas. ys pd   

https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/11/farewell-to-paramadvaiti-maharaja.html

Krishna's Pastimes Art at Prem Mandir Vrndavana (Video)

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada wanted his temples to have these types of art. Maybe someday that will be done according to his wishes. Various devotees told me they go to this temple rather than the GBC's ISKCON temple because "they feel welcomed here." Worse, some folks are simply afraid of the goonda-ism associated with the GBC's guru program. Anyway, this is a nice effort by at least some folks. ys pd]

Alleged Death Threats / Deaths / in Russian Apartment Scam

Russia ISKCON News

Cases of death threats and suspicions of real killings in a Russian apartment scam in Vrindavan.

There is more evidence of repeated death threats to devotees from Shyamasundar Charan Das (Krivonosov Romanov Yaroslav Yakovlevich). If this ghoul doesn’t like someone, he calls that devotee to see him, then demands that they don’t say anything. And he is apparently saying to his victims that he will simply kill them.

They devotees simply came to complain to him about the fact that he had deceived them, so they immediately received the answer that, "If you don’t shut your mouth, we will just bury you under the asphalt."

One Mataji said something he thought was wrong, so Shyamasundara Charan das showed her in the direction of the Yamuna and said "here is where we will bury you if you tell anyone something."

Under the threat of the murder of one devotee, they simply wanted to deny him access to his apartment. They said directly, either: "Sell your apartment to someone else, or we will bury you here in Vrindavan."

And there are many similar cases !!!

There are already three cases where everything looked like an ordinary death, but some devotees say that these were planned killings.

1. During the construction of the first Russian house, an architect / foreman / builder, a citizen of Ukraine, began to resent the behavior of Shyamasundar Charan Das, the way he deceives builders, and began to deal with him about this. This dialogue did not lead to anything and this man threatened to go to the police in order to demand justice and ... he died suddenly.

2. At the opening of the passage to the temple of their second Russian house, the owner of a neighboring hotel began to express dissatisfaction and take actions to prevent this from happening, began to gather the public to draw attention to the criminal cases of Shyamasundar Charan Das, and .... he died suddenly .

3. One devotee bought an apartment, her mother came to live with her, but she faced many problems in the house, including a conflict with Shyamasundara Charan Das. Then, she supposedly jumped off the roof. The official version was suicide, but there were many oddities, and the day it happened, her corpse was quickly cremated for several hours by accomplices Shyamasundara Charana Dasa, without calling the police and without any formal legal procedures. Just got rid of the body.

Most of the devotees feel this is a dangerous man and they are in fear. Almost everyone is afraid to at least say something or do it even in their defense !!! These are the bandits! Mafia - parasites of devotees and ISKCON! As a commercial entity, these people stuck to ISKCON, under the name ISKCON, they make money, while they deceive and cheat the devotees!

[PADA: Yep, we said all along that ISKCON is turning into a house of corruption where crimes are going on left, right and center around the ISKCON orbit. The police raided different ISKCON properties in the USA and uncovered lots of criminal activity. The GBC seems to encourage criminals to come and help them in their exploiting the devotees program, and the GBC allegedly gets a cut of the profits. 

Anyway, the good news is, more people are waking up to all these scams and its getting harder and harder to recruit new victims. Of course the GBC folks also have buried a sexual predator and a porno swami in samadhi in Vrndavana. And so a devotee from India wrote to tell PADA, that is why India is having riots, fires, beatings, and stone pelting assaults all over the place, this is India's karma for acquiescing with burying such deviants in the dham. Burying criminals in the dham is what other criminals will do?  

Meanwhile a devotee who has had cancer previously and he avoided going to the doctors for three years because he could not afford treatments, has suddenly experienced incredible excruciating pain from the return of the cancer, and he still does not have money for treatment. So he started a fund me to get financial help. 

Meanwhile the GBC leaders go to the Cedar Sinai hospital when they get bit by a flea. This is all about usurping the assets of ISKCON and having them exploited by an elite cadre. And it appears that the criminals who will assist them in various scams get a few left over tid bit scraps from the plate of the criminal masters, like their property scam "disciples." ys pd] 

PADA Letter to Tirtha In Prison (Thomas Drescher)

Dear Thomas / Tirtha das,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I am the person many people identify as "Sulochana's best friend." And perhaps I was. In May 1986 he confided in me that "I will probably never see you again" when we last met in Berkeley -- and sure enough shortly after that -- he was gone. Sulochana said, "We cannot stay together because if we are together they will get us both at once, so one of us needs to survive to tell the police / media the real situation." Which is sort of what happened. 

I was then interviewed by the police, FBI, and of course various newspapers, CBS television, the writers of "Time" magazine articles, the book "Monkey On A Stick," "Killing for Krishna" etc. and I am still assisting other publications as we speak. And I helped various other police investigations / court cases etc. For example the GBC has spent apparently $20,000,000 suing the Prabhupadanuga devotees in India, but the documents we promoted like the July 9th letter and so on seems to have halted the false gurus from making much headway in the courts. Simultaneously, so many of their gurus have fallen into scandals, it looks like they are losing their argument that they are pure devotees anyway. 

By 1997 there was a growing suicide epidemic from the GBC's child abuse and molesting victims. Thus, to try to save their lives, I helped some of these ex-children put together a $400,000,000 child molesting lawsuit against the ISKCON leaders in Dallas. Their lawyer said, in his decades of working with many crime horrible victims, he had never seen such horrific accounts of child abuse. So the GBC lost their Dallas case and then they pleaded "no contest" and declared ISKCON as bankrupted (to avoid paying the victims?). Needless to say, I believe anyone who has contributed / supported this regime is going to receive some serious karma feedback eventually, especially if they are not repentant. 

Oddly, at that time we also had a letter made by the GBC's guru biggest defenders at the time -- Sanat (Steve Voith) and Mukunda (Mark Whiteley UK) -- who said they wanted to have the molested children "killed, chopped up and fed to dogs in a bloodbath in Dallas." A policeman friend of mine said, "Yikes, first they wanted to kill anyone who exposed the molesting, and now they want to kill the molesting victims! Why is it that -- the perps always get a free pass with this program"? Well yup, that is the perception. 

The good news is, the suicides dropped off dramatically and we at least got limited funds to various victims, some of whom told me they would have ended up homeless without their settlement money. More than a few of them credited me with saving their lives, and they told me -- without my help, they would now be dead because they felt so much hopeless, abandoned and discarded. Of course that is also why the GBC clan wanted me to be taken out, so their victims would not have our assistance. 

The courts also got a copy of the letter saying the children victims needed to be chopped up sent to them, and needless to say, this helped convince even more people there really is an anti-children and pro-pedophile program afoot here. So there are the deviant gurus, their webs and nests of perp associates, and then there are the vicious enforcers for the perp's regime, which is why we called this "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles guru regime." No one has ever given me a substantial argument why this is not the case? There are the deviant gurus, their webs and nests of perps, and the enforcers of said regime. Nowadays, hardly no one tries to challenge me on this, because we have this pretty much settled as documented history at this stage.      

And all that was simultaneous to me going out in 1997 at the Los Angeles Rathayatra with a big sign, advertising that Srila Prabhupada had complained of being poisoned. And I was the first person to publish a transcript of the 1977 "poison complaint" tapes, which were basically hidden until 1997. More evidence surfaced subsequently, such as heavy metal contamination in hair samples, incriminating whispers found on these tapes etc. The person who gave me the 1977 tapes still does not want his name mentioned in public, evidently the goonda process has really worked well to suppress these eye-witnesses and other evidences of crimes. Yet we cannot fool all of the people all of the time?

Anyway, when I joined in 1970, I had heard that Kirtanananda had defied Srila Prabhupada's orders, had stolen his Gita manuscript, and that devotees in New York had spat on him when he came back. A short time later, I was told KS was part of the "Mott Street Boys Club," a homosexual group that apparently included Umapati, Hayagriva and apparently a few others. In short, right out of the gate I had a lot of doubts about KS's purity of consciousness and his relationship with Srila Prabhupada, which seemed shaky at best.

Fast forward to 1978, and much to my surprise Kirtanananda had declared himself to now be a pure devotee / diksha guru / capable of absorbing sins like Jesus. Even more to my surprise, many / most of my God brothers went along with this deviation of glorification of Kirtanananda as "His Divine Grace Srila Kirtanananda Bhaktipada Maharaja," and as a person who is able to absorb sins as another Jesus-like messiah. Of course, I was one of the people saying, "How can a former Mott Street Boys Club member and person who has a propensity to defy Srila Prabhupada be -- 'God's Jesus-like successor'"? This just did not make sense to me, and as a result of challenging all this I was booted out of ISKCON in 1979.

Maybe by 1983 Sulochana sent me a tape which he thought was a good explanation of all these things. It was Kirtanananda saying that "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja's" illicit sex and drugs program is not really that bad. And thus "Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada" should stay in the guru post because "The real Jayatirtha is serving Krishna nicely. This is only the Maya Jayatirtha, just like there is the real Mother Sita and the Maya Sita." I then chastised Sulochana, "This has to be the worst example of insulting Mother Sita I had ever heard in my existence! Illicit sex and drugs is likened to -- Mother Sita"? So Sulochana sort of knew I was not going along with their process, and he reluctantly told me -- maybe I am right, these people are extreme deviants and not gurus. 

Then Sulochana himself was booted out too, and he came here and joined me in Berkeley and we began writing little hand out papers together. He had obtained a microfiche of Srila Prabhupada's letters, and we began to publish them. Of course some of these letters were exposing Kirtanananda as a person "whose future is very dark," "who needs to be sent back to Bellevue Hospital" etc. So this infuriated many ISKCON leaders, and there was a sort of conspiracy to "get Sulochana." And after he was assassinated the police came to tell me, "you are next on their hit list," so the conspirators were after both of us -- because these "Prabhupada letters" were attacking their whole program root and branch. Of course a few days after the murder Hansadutta sent some of his goondas to get me here. However the Berkeley police saved me because of doing undercover surveillance of me, and they spotted the goondas who were chasing me down the street.

After I got booted out of UK I then visited New Vrndavana just for a day, and was told Jadurani had been beaten up there. And I saw Kirtanananda driving around with a little boy on his lap, which I immediately felt was a dangerous potential pedophile situation. And when I was interviewed in 1986 by CBS news, the news lady told me that her seeing Kirtanananda sitting on a big golden seat covered with the hands of many little boys was like seeing "pedophile heaven." 

So it amazes me that people like yourself called me and Sulochana "the fringies" when any ordinary "fringie" news lady could understand that there is likely a sinister pedophile worshiping process going on here. And she also said, "What kind of Bhagavad Gita readers will defend pedophiles and criminals as their gurus, when the Gita is all about a war to defend righteousness and goodness"? OK she knows the Gita better than any of you folks, and she is not even a serious student of the Gita. She just knows what is the overall theme. Of course this is why a devotee told me, these GBC people either never read the books, or never had any idea what the books are saying, or they are openly defying the books knowingly. 

Did I forget to mention, that after you went to jail many of the New Vrndavana-ites said "Tirtha was always a fringie." Yep, they tossed you under the bus to avoid being prosecuted. You were apparently their patsy fall guy and still are. Some folks tell us they are amazed that you are still covering up for these leadership guys after they put you through all this.  

Anyway! Later on "People Magazine" posted a huge photo of Kirtanananda covered with the hands of many little boys, and various people showed me that photo and told me, "Yes, this guy is a pedophile." Self evidently, the ordinary people / fringies have been several million light years ahead of you guys in realization. 

I think what happened here is: you and others were sold a bogus bill of goods, thinking you are worshiping a pure devotee, but he is really just a "Mott Street Boy" and really -- just a societal reject wearing a silk robe. KS eventually admitted he was having sexual liaisons with various young men in his motorhome. That means the CBS news lady could figure all this out in less than one second, while many "advanced devotees" could not -- and still can not -- which is why Radhanath buried Kirtanananda in a samadhi. They still don't get it, this is all deviation.   

Later I was working with the West Virginia law enforcement and they helped raid New Vrndavana and all sorts of crimes were uncovered there. And of course we also had: The Laguna temple drug bust; New Vrndavana drug mules bust; Hansadutta farm raided by Federal Marshals, Syracuse federal lawsuit against ISKCON for fraud; Mississippi painting business raided by a SWAT team, Murder of the New Orleans temple president; Jayatirtha getting his head whacked off by a disgruntled disciple; Jayapataka attacked with a knife -- trying to chop his head off; Hansadutta shooting at occupied buildings; Ramesvara's Santa suit devotees busted by the police; Bhagavan exposed as a fraud on BBC news; Harikesh asking for millions when he leaves the society; Bhakta das' designer drugs business busted (twice); Me in the UK newspapers for having to rescue a kidnapped baby in Bhagwan's zone, and many, many, many other crimes and misdemeanors, which were often public posted in the newspapers, so much so -- that they cannot be listed here due to space limitations. 

In other words, most people think this has been simply a giant criminal enterprise posing as a religion, and you folks have been the violent thug enforcers of that enterprise. A devotee said -- "Even if we spent $10 million to hire a professional advertising, public relations and public image business to give Krishna a black eye and dirty Him up with a bad name, that company could never have given Krishna as bad of a name as the GBC guru guys did, and they did it all for free." 

I agree with that assessment. A woman who survived the Jim Jones Guyana suicide cult said they had the same things going on, there was a group of very violent "enforcers" who kept the dissenters in line. What you enforcer guys have been doing is old, old, old news. In fact even Kamsa had his goonda thug enforcer pals 5,000 years ago, and he sent them out to attack the residents of Vrndavana. Jesus was attacked by the goonda enforcers of the Pharisees and so forth. Nothing new under the sun.
     
I could go on here for hours and hours since I have been collating the testimonies of thousands of victims, and have made several web sites on all these topics, but you should hopefully get the general idea by now. If you want more details I will certainly try to help you get more informed. 

Lastly, I would like to say that it is my understanding from Vedic scriptures, those of us who have oppose having homosexual pedophiles being worshiped as God's guru successors are rightly situated, even if we have some other alleged faults -- like me and Sulochana. And anyone who defends the worship of homosexual pedophiles posing as God's successors is not only wrongly situated, but is on the path to the lowest regions of the universe. 

And that would mean, the persons who created, maintained and protected that regime have some seriously bad karma on their plate. And that would mean, such persons should repent, try to ask for forgiveness, and beg for the mercy of the victims, and for the mercy of God. I am also not angry, bitter or resentful towards you or anyone else in the regime. I believe God in His infinite wisdom and His laws of karma will sort all of this out over time, and indeed God is sorting this all out as we speak using His own process. Our readers are meanwhile happy to have our sites and blogs inform them of all this. And one lady reader recently wrote to tell me "I was asleep and fooled by them for awhile, but now I am awake. And I will never, ever go back to being asleep and being fooled by them again." That probably sums it up for a number of our readers. 

Hope all is well for you.  

Your Servant, Puranjana Dasa