Advaita das: Basu Gosh is speaking like an arrogant neophyte living in the bodily concept of life, thinking himself an Indian and trying to bluff his way into
power.
power.
[PADA: Yes, we got into a debate with a "Gopal Krishna swami follower" who said that the GBC are bogus because they do not accept Basu Ghosh's "India Advisory Committee," and they are instead working with Urmila and her "Shastra Advisory Committee."
This follower stopped communicating with PADA as soon as we asked, "Why is Gopal Krishna helping Radhanath bury deviants in the dham"? Of course he had already not been able to explain how acharyas need an "advisory body" to legislate and control them in the first place?
The acharya is getting dictation from God, but Basu Ghosh can over ride the dictations from God because he is the superior authority over God? Of course Rocana, Torben, Hanuman Croatia and all sorts of other people are also the self-annointed "advisors" to the acharyas as well. OK guess what, these people need advice because they are not acharyas.]
This follower stopped communicating with PADA as soon as we asked, "Why is Gopal Krishna helping Radhanath bury deviants in the dham"? Of course he had already not been able to explain how acharyas need an "advisory body" to legislate and control them in the first place?
The acharya is getting dictation from God, but Basu Ghosh can over ride the dictations from God because he is the superior authority over God? Of course Rocana, Torben, Hanuman Croatia and all sorts of other people are also the self-annointed "advisors" to the acharyas as well. OK guess what, these people need advice because they are not acharyas.]
If you want to clean out the GBC; do it to defend HDG’s instructions. Not because you are Indians. This is nonsense. This movement is not an Indian movement. It was formed (1966) in the west and funded in India by the west and it belongs to initiated disciples that are true to their vows.
The real “true to our vows” Prabhupada devotees are now called Prabhupadanugas to conveniently pigeon hole us outside, while you redefine ritvik to suit your racist plan. It was the Indians that would not help HDG fulfil his SM’s wishes, so he went to the west where we sacrificed our lives for him. It was the Indians that supported and encouraged the 11 self-appointed Diksa’s and their forcing us westerners from our own temples we established for HDG.
It is the Indians that have introduced demigod worship into the west. It was the
Indians who place worship above sankirtan. It was the Indians that pushed
ritual, etiquette and Hindu values over the Vaishnava principles HDG established. You materialistic Indians should go home and clean the
sacred rivers before you tell us how to do anything!
If you are so proud of the democratic method, show us the raised hands of
the % of Indians that chant 16 rounds and follow the 4 principles strictly.
Those that read only HDG’s books, do street sankirtan, employ HDG tunes
for MM chanting and never “Ramo”, that hold classes in English and
distribute only unaltered original books and are those who show any sign of
a welcoming attitude to westerners in our own temples!
Indians restrict westerners from their historic temples while the west funded repairing them. They disrespect our initiation from HDG, and without fail, forcibly if necessary, take control of the money and asset management.
You have failed to condemn the diksa deviates, as they ignorantly facilitate
your take-over plan.
Who said you are qualified just because you are an Indian? I kick in your face for this thinly veiled arrogant racist takeover attempt of HDG’s movement.
Either you strictly support only ritvik initiations to HDG or you are the
problem! Advaita Das - ACBSP
[PADA: The Gopal Krishna follower also said that we Western people cannot understand India culture, and that seems to indicate that the Basu Ghosh crew is creating a sort of "India born" board faction that does not discuss things with us Western folks due to bodily attachments. He complained that we Westerners made a mess of ISKCON and so he could not rely on us. OK fine, but that does not explain why acharyas need the Basu Ghosh India committee to advise them either?
An acharya is not the subordinated follower of a committee headed by Basu Ghosh das, the acharya is getting shaksat hari realizations from hari and not Basu Ghosh. Unfortunately, the India committee does not seem to be able to figure this out.
So now we have the Mahanidhi, Krishna West, Sridhara, Narayan, Paramadvaiti, Atulananda, Babajis, Fakir Mohan, Siddha Swarupa and who knows what else splinter groups, and now we are going to add to that the pro-female diksha gurus and anti-female diksha gurus splinters. Add to that -- the pro-India born splinter vs the Western born splinter and so on and so forth ad infinitum. That's not good in one sense, except that is good for us, because the more they splinter up the more we can catch at least some of the people falling through the cracks. ys pd]
The real “true to our vows” Prabhupada devotees are now called Prabhupadanugas to conveniently pigeon hole us outside, while you redefine ritvik to suit your racist plan. It was the Indians that would not help HDG fulfil his SM’s wishes, so he went to the west where we sacrificed our lives for him. It was the Indians that supported and encouraged the 11 self-appointed Diksa’s and their forcing us westerners from our own temples we established for HDG.
It is the Indians that have introduced demigod worship into the west. It was the
Indians who place worship above sankirtan. It was the Indians that pushed
ritual, etiquette and Hindu values over the Vaishnava principles HDG established. You materialistic Indians should go home and clean the
sacred rivers before you tell us how to do anything!
If you are so proud of the democratic method, show us the raised hands of
the % of Indians that chant 16 rounds and follow the 4 principles strictly.
Those that read only HDG’s books, do street sankirtan, employ HDG tunes
for MM chanting and never “Ramo”, that hold classes in English and
distribute only unaltered original books and are those who show any sign of
a welcoming attitude to westerners in our own temples!
Indians restrict westerners from their historic temples while the west funded repairing them. They disrespect our initiation from HDG, and without fail, forcibly if necessary, take control of the money and asset management.
You have failed to condemn the diksa deviates, as they ignorantly facilitate
your take-over plan.
Who said you are qualified just because you are an Indian? I kick in your face for this thinly veiled arrogant racist takeover attempt of HDG’s movement.
Either you strictly support only ritvik initiations to HDG or you are the
problem! Advaita Das - ACBSP
[PADA: The Gopal Krishna follower also said that we Western people cannot understand India culture, and that seems to indicate that the Basu Ghosh crew is creating a sort of "India born" board faction that does not discuss things with us Western folks due to bodily attachments. He complained that we Westerners made a mess of ISKCON and so he could not rely on us. OK fine, but that does not explain why acharyas need the Basu Ghosh India committee to advise them either?
An acharya is not the subordinated follower of a committee headed by Basu Ghosh das, the acharya is getting shaksat hari realizations from hari and not Basu Ghosh. Unfortunately, the India committee does not seem to be able to figure this out.
So now we have the Mahanidhi, Krishna West, Sridhara, Narayan, Paramadvaiti, Atulananda, Babajis, Fakir Mohan, Siddha Swarupa and who knows what else splinter groups, and now we are going to add to that the pro-female diksha gurus and anti-female diksha gurus splinters. Add to that -- the pro-India born splinter vs the Western born splinter and so on and so forth ad infinitum. That's not good in one sense, except that is good for us, because the more they splinter up the more we can catch at least some of the people falling through the cracks. ys pd]
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