Saturday, December 21, 2019

Hanuman Croatia Supports "Pied Piper From Hell"?


Kailash Chandra das

My review of “Beyond Institutional Gurus, Initiations, And Party Men”
By Hanuman das Guru list strategy Kailasa Candra das

Wow, I just finished reading Kailasa Candra’s new book “Beyond Institutional Gurus, Initiations, And Party Men”

[PADA: Kailash says that there does not need to be a current diksha guru, and that the ritviks are bogus for promoting worshiping a "posthumous, post samadhi and post mortem" pure devotee. Of course that means Kailash is with the GBC, which is why he wrote "position papers" for the GBC and the GBC's gurus like Trivrikrama swami were circulating Kailash's writings. 


Its amazing to me that Hanuman always ends up supporting the people who are writing position papers for the illicit sex acharya's process, which claims that acharyas are post mortem, dead and gone, and thus not relevant, thus we need to worship the "living" -- deviants? Of course the GBC gurus and Kailash are relevant -- because they are breathing? Sulochana used to say, "right, even a dog is breathing, that does not make it a guru."

Of course Kailash also has no program to make devotees, make deity programs and temples, print books, have children's Sunday schools, make cow protection programs, have Rathayatras etc. Ooops, the rtiviks are doing that and they have to be stopped!]

My impressions are overwhelmingly positive.

[PADA: Hanuman supports Kailash, who says we cannot offer bhogha and disciples to the pure devotee, but that is the first principle of spiritual life, we need to know who to offer things to?]


I almost forgot how uncompromised preacher sounds like. Due to associating with ISKCON corporate gurus for many years, I almost forgot how real Krishna conscious person sounds like. Kailasa Candra das compares real Krishna consciousness with today’s ISKCON.

[PADA: Writing papers that are being circulated by the GBC gurus is not compromised? Then what is?]


In the last couple of years, I studied ISKCON history a lot with special emphasis on ISKCON corporate guru ideology. How it came about, how it mutated to a Gestapo organization. And I also wrote many articles about it. But Kailasa Candra das is in a much better position to explain the whole story because he actually lived through it.

He was a friend of Sulocana, he helped him write his book called “Guru business“.

[PADA: Wrong. Sulochan told me that he agreed with me, that our children should have Srila Prabhupada as their guru. He thought Kailash's idea "our children will have to go out and find their own guru -- like we did," was utterly laughable foolishness. If all our children "go out and find another guru somewhere," there will be nothing left of ISKCON. Sulochan said that Kailash's idea to send our ISKCON children out to "find other gurus somewhere" will be the death of ISKCON, because without the children there will be no one left to carry on the legacy. And that is what has happened ... 

Sulochana said that once all the children are worshiping different gurus, there will be chaos and disintegration of ISKCON. Some will worship GBC gurus, some will worship Gaudiya Matha gurus, some will go to India and worship babajis, and in short, there will be no children left to carry on ISKCON. Actually that is what has happened, and Sulochana said this will be the end result of Kailash's eliminating Srila Prabhupada as the guru of our children. 


Sulochana was helping ME write "Our Living Guru," where we established that Srila Prabhupada will be the guru ongoing, for our children and for everyone else. Sulochana never agreed with Kailash -- that our children should go out and seek another guru other than Srila Prabhupada. Hanuman is totally mis-representing Sulochana's position. Sulochana wanted our children to have the same guru as we have.

Anyway, Sulochana is right, he said these Kailash guys are "pied pipers." They are taking away our children to unknown destinations, to unknown "other gurus," or really to HELL. And as such these deviant folks are very dangerous for our children. He said if we know who our guru is, then it is our DUTY to save our own children and give them the right guru, and not send them on Kailash's wild goose chase "looking for another guru somewhere else." And Kailash is such a fool he cannot even identify who this "other guru" is, so its total speculation. Why would we tell our children to look for a rusty tin can, while we are holding gold in our hands? This is cruelty to children.]


In his books, Kailasa Candra destroys all three major sahajiya deviations which happened after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance, namely Rtviks, Neo-Gaudiya Math and the “ISKCON” corporation.

Not that Kailasa Candra das is only well-versed in real Krishna consciousness, he is also a talented writer. He is also very brave, since here is fighting a fake “ISKCON” organization for over 40 years. He is also obviously not materially motivated, and not interested to sell cheap Krishna consciousness. Only rare people are able to see beyond ISKCON circus, and thus he might never have a huge number of followers like ISKCON “guru” who likes to parade girls through the cities.

Here are some of the quotes which show what can you expect to find in the book:

About imagined “guru approval process”:

In effect, you could make a motion to the governing body as to your desire to become a recognized guru of “ISKCON.” As long as there were not three commissioners against you, your motion passed. Soon, this process also received warranted criticism. As such, another fix-it-as-you-go modification was concocted: The No-Objection Certificate, which is current to this day.

As per this “adjustment,” the prospective institutional guru makes his proposal and receives a recommendation, and the vitiated G.B.C. decides upon a waiting period for him (usually one to three years). Then, if he keeps his nose clean and remains loyal, it issues a No Objection Certification, i.e., he becomes institutionalized guru by Commission imprimatur.

Kailasa Candra also defeats all arguments used by members of ISKCON cult to fight opposition:

Similarly, there was another devastator that was used effectively throughout both that period and especially during the years just previous to it. That one was: “But what have you done for Śrīla Prabhupāda?” When devotees would criticize what was going on in “ISKCON,” its gurus and Party Men would respond with this retort. They would take cumulative credit for whatever accomplishments had been garnered by the movement in the form of “laxmī,” new temples, new devotees, etc. They would combine that with a personal offense to the critic—despite the fact, as often as not, that the devotee was justified in his or her criticism.

The Party Man would demand to know what results the critic had produced within the arena of “ISKCON.” Of course, if you did not at all believe in what “ISKCON” was doing, you would have no such results to reference. You would have left the institution or would have been kicked out for being outspoken about its dreadful flaws.

About freedom from “ISKCON tyrant authorities”:

There was an ever-increasing exodus of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disciples from “ISKCON” in order to take their chances in the outside world, trying to prosecute Kṛṣṇa conscious activities, preaching, and sādhana as best they could “outside the walls.” The question may be broached as to how all of this hell could have gone on when, at least initially, the movement had been directly connected to the Supreme Universal Controller, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Ultimate Overseer. 


This question may be justly raised. Many very bad things happened to devotees both within and without the “ISKCON” faction after Prabhupāda disappeared, but there were also some silver linings provided after he left us. These should be recognized. One of the big silver linings was new-found freedom from all of the little tyrants inside those institutional walls.

About all the crimes performed by “pure devotees” in the eighties:

When the Party Men took over the movement, their more charismatic and flamboyant section, the eleven pretender mahā-bhāgavats, considered themselves all-powerful. They considered themselves no longer under man-made laws, in the sense that there was no applicability of these in relation to them. And, as allegedly the embodiment of all the demigods, the zonals also believed that they could transgress many laws of Nature, and they did just that.

You can order the book “Beyond Institutional Gurus, Initiations, And Party Men” by clicking here

Author’s website: https://www.therealexplanation.org/

Author’s Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/VFaudioRec/videos

[PADA: Sulochana said that Kailash's telling our children to "go out and find a guru like we did" was acting as an evil pied piper -- sending our children to a bogus guru program, and thus sending them to hell. He said there is no difference between Kailash's idea and the Gaudiya Math's and GBC's idea, to send our children off to "hunt" for another guru somewhere else, and not accept Srila Prabhupada as their guru. Sulochana said PADA is right to tell our children to have Srila Prabhupada as their guru, and he did not agree with this endless Kailash and GBC "hunt for another guru" preaching AT ALL.

Worse! The children did exactly what Kailash wanted. They went off the reservation, off to various GBC's gurus, Gaudiya Matha gurus, Babaji gurus, Mother Amma and who knows what. So its amazing, Sulochana says Kailash is another GBC compromiser and another pied piper leading our children away from Srila Prabhupada, and thus on their way to hell, and Hanuman thinks this is "a great preacher."]    


[PADA: Sulochan said that Kailash chandra's idea of having our children run off
"to find a guru like we did" is -- sending them to endless speculation at best, or hell at worst. Sulochana said it is our duty to direct our children to take shelter of the proper guru and not send them on a wild goose chase "guru finding" expedition, which will make ISKCON: 

EMPTY OF CHILDREN

Just like the pied piper emptied out the town of children.
Why does Hanuman Croatia support the program Sulochan said is:
the pied piper

FROM HELL?]  


PADA @ angel108b@yahoo.com

6 comments:

  1. Thanks BAP. Yes, Sulochana believed that there was a conspiracy to destroy ISKCON -- by undermining if not destroying the faith of the children, thus crippling ISKCON's future by emptying out the future participants, making ISKCON a permanent ghost town. He said everything they are doing is aimed at destroying our ISKCON children's faith in Krishna and Srila Prabhupada, so these children will be cast off as unwanted "varna sankara" and they would seek shelter of other programs, which has happened just as Sulochana was warning us.

    And Kailash has been one of the people who has been saying the children cannot worship the pure devotee like us, they will have to go "find their own guru" like we did. OK they are going to have to accept a GBC guru or leave ISKCON and go to other organizations, as has been going on under the GBC / Kailash plan, because the deviants have scuttled our plan to have people worship Srila Prabhupada instead.

    Sulochana said ours will be the first religion where the parents are telling their children not to accept the same guru as the parent's have accepted, and that religion will soon "die on the vine" because unless the children worship the same guru as the parents, the religion will become an empty ghost town. And it has. I am surprised that Hanuman Croatia is supporting the Kailash idea that the Krishna religion will have to die on the vine by sending the children out of the religion to find another guru somewhere else, while he pretends to be an advocate.

    He is with the pied piper to hell program, at least according to Sulochana. Sulochana was right, the Kailash program has acted as pied piper leading the children to any guru, as long as its not Srila Prabhupada. Sulochana would know about these things ... ys pd

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  2. D Dasi: "Yamaraja (a demigod) is one of the GBC's of Krsna. ....Therefore we have created the GBC. So they shall be very responsible men. Otherwise, they will be punished. They will be punished to become a sudra (low born). Although Yamaraja is a GBC, he made a little mistake. He was punished to become a sudra. So, those who are GBC's they should be VERY, VERY CAREFUL to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly the PUNISHMENT is very great. That is the difficulty." (S.B. Lecture 1974 by SP.)

    "The standards I have already given you, now try to maintain them at all times under standard procedure.Do not try to innovate or create anything or manufacture anything, that WILL RUIN EVERYTHING." (SP. Letter to Bali Mardan and Pusta Krsna 18/9/72).

    "That I am thinking.Such a Big Society the Aims and Objects may be Dismantled. I am Thinking from that Vision." (SP. 26/10/77)

    Sulochana Dasa had obtained a complete Micro-flim copy of all Srila Prabhupada Letters. Otherwise till today, no one would have known about Srila Prabhupada's Betrayal. Someone (name held back here) threatened him -- "You are dead meat on a hook, unless you return those letters." He was mudered on May 22nd 1986 1:00 am Los Angeles USA.

    [PADA: Yes, and Trivrikrama swami was one of the people who was totally against Sulochana. And Kailash is writing papers for Trivrikrama, and Kailash is "working with Sulochana"? No he is working with the people who wanted Sulochana out of the picture.]

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  3. MA Wow! Reading that first letter gave me a great sense of compassion for the fools who have created such havoc for ISKCON; their futures look very frightening indeed right now. I wouldn't wish Yamaraj's wrath for what they've done to Prabhupada's ISKCON on anyone!

    [PADA: Yep, unfortunately the karma chakra wheel does not allow people to escape attacking the mission of a pure devotee. There will be hell to pay for ruining and upsetting the process given by a pure person, Krishna will not tolerate anyone exploiting this process for personal gain. ys pd]

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  4. Thank M Dasi. Yes, Kailash said all of our children should not accept "the institutional guru," and yes that guru happens to be Srila Prabhupada. And yes you are right, of course Srila Prabhupada was supposed to be the guru for the institution. No longer needed! He is declared by Kailash ilk as -- post samadhi, posthumous and post mortem. Yep! No wonder the GBC gurus love this guy!

    You NOW have to tell all your ISKCON children to go out and find a "living diksha guru" and jettison the guru for the institution (Srila Prabhupada) and most folks did, they left en masse and went off to other programs where they had one of Kailash's "living gurus."

    Yes! This is why there are hardly any second generation left in ISKCON. So Kailash is acting as the pied piper, leading all of the ISKCON children away from "the institutional guru" (Srila Prabhupada) and off to so many countless off shoot living guru programs, no one can count them.

    And yes it is amazing, after dismantling the whole process of worship of "the acharya of the institution" (Srila Prabhupada) these guys are proud they played their pied piper music and -- emptied out -- the institution? I cannot figure this out either? Yamaraja is going to ask Kailash, "Formerly we had 70 people attending Mangala Arotike, and we have ten poojaris, now under your plan we have three people attending the Mangala Arotike, and we have to hire Bengali people to do the pooja, and you say -- this was the best plan for ISKCON? You dismantled the worship of 'the institutional guru,' and dismantled ISKCON thereby, and you are proud of that achievement"?

    Yes it is amazing, anyone else would say, their getting rid of the worship of the acharya idea has -- ruined his movement? And yet they are proud and defiant they did that? Very proud, puffed up people, agreed. They ruined ISKCON and ruined the lives of tens of thousands of people by getting rid of the guru of the institution, and replacing him with all sorts of fools, and they think they did something wonderful. Giant egos here, yup! Correct, Kailash is good friends with Rocana, a person who co-created the "guru reform" to vote in more of their foolish pals as gurus. ys pd

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  5. Yup. All of these people are the same. Hanuman Croatia, Kailash Chandra das, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayan Maharaja, Gaura govinda maharaja, GBC, Gaudiya Matha et al. and all the rest -- they all say the same thing --worship of the pure devotee is "The Christian Idea."

    And they have a pocketful of deviants for us to worship instead. Hanuman likes the GBC's Bhakti vikas swami in particular, because he is "2/3 show of hands voted in" to the homosexual pedophile's and sex with taxi driver's messiah's program. Yep, get your children over here to worship pedophiles in samadhis, that will help them!

    Its amazing that Hanuman Croatia does not even understand that we cannot worship persons "voted in" to a pedophile's guru programs that has been molesting children left, right and center and banning, beating and killing dissenters. Hanuman is simply another Gestapo officer in their regime, he defends their voted guru program and one of its stars like BVKS. Hanuman never explains why he wants us to stop worship of Jesus and start worship of his illicit sex with men, women and children guru party's leaders like BVKS? ys pd

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  6. Dear PADA: Like Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, also known as Lenin, Kailasa Candra's ancestors came from Tatarstan, see map. So he likes to talk to Slavic people and Hindus. Hindus and Tatars are friends. Recently Kailasa Candra figured: "California has 77,500 farms and since Western Vaishnavas are too stupid to profitably run a farm let me try to turn farmers into devotees." So he went from farm to farm, "Sir, can I talk to you about Krishna consciousness, it is urgent.... " Somehow these farmers did not appreciate his approach and let their dogs out.

    So Kailash Chandra went back to his kutir and commented: "These are all demons, preaching is not possible anymore". In other words, the grapes are sour. This seems the problem of present Western Vaishnavism in toto, everywhere gurus but none can actually preach, the potency is lost because — bodily platform. So these folks then go to Siberia and teach, "Siberia is very cold, why don't you come to Florida, California or Hawaii? If you don't have money you can also come to tropical India". Of course, this type of preaching cannot possibly bring people above the bodily platform and also cannot give people transcendental happiness. That's why preaching of genuine Bhagavata-dharma in the West is more or less dead.

    Rescuing suffering humanity came to a halt. Educated circles, poets, artists, musicians, rich people, important people meanwhile reject Vaishnavism as yet another humbug cult.

    [PADA: OK I am not sure if Kailash has a Tartar body or not. Yet I DO agree he is not actually preaching and thus -- he is NOT making temples, NOT making programs, NOT making devotees, NOT himself engaging in books or prasadam distribution nor getting others to do that. Its a non-program program.

    And he is simply snipping at us, trying to stop our program of making devotees of Prabhupada, by saying we are bogus Christians. Boo hoo, we do not worship his living carcass full of puss, mucous and stools. He cannot make devotees of Krishna, nor can he convince GBC people to start to worship Srila Prabhupada, because he also attacks our idea of worship of Prabhupada. So yes, its all sour grapes. And when Hanuman Croatia finds a person who stops people from worshiping Prabhupada, he says that is great preaching.

    Anyway right, none of this sounds intelligent to the average Joe person. We cannot worship a pure devotee because that would make us bogus Christians, but even the average Joe person knows, we have to worship a pure devotee to connect with God? These Kailash guys don't even know the basic points of religion, never mind Vedic religion but any other religion, we have to worship God's pure devotee. Anyway, yes, until this is made more palatable and more in line with Vedic teachings, the intelligent class will not be attracted, or even the less intelligent class will not be attracted. Hence -- the temples are more and more ghost towns, except for the imported Hindu programs they are now making, but even that is not going big time process, its a little time program. Sour grapes, yep, sounds right. ys pd

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