Initiations -- In the Future

Brahmananda Das (from GBC Vyasapuja homages 1982 found in 2003 Vedabase)

"I therefore implore all naive - hearted followers of Srila Prabhupada’s ungrateful sons: Don’t follow leaders who minimize Srila Prabhupada. They are cheating Srila Prabhupada, and they will also cheat you. There is no one equal to Srila Prabhupada, and there never will be. To try to nominate someone as being equal to Srila Prabhupada means one has to reduce Srila Prabhupada to fit alongside the less-important person. They are so envious of Srila Prabhupada that they cannot even utter his befitting name. If you allow yourselves to be misled, then it will be too unfortunate for you, because your chance for perfect spiritual life in this birth will have been spoiled. Come back to (the real) ISKCON, the original path of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada."

======================== [PADA: More and more people are "getting it," there never was any ISKCON "guru appointment" meant to continue post-1977. Rather, Srila Prabhupada was meant to continue as the acharya of ISKCON even after his physical departure. And subsequently Hansadutta, Jayatirtha, Kirtanananda and others eventually agreed, guru is not by appointment.

That is ALSO what all the documents state, and we have helped assemble these documents over the years and really, no one can contest these documents. This is why the GBC never asks us for a public debate, they will lose.

Of course the bogus GBC gurus and their allies ended up being upset with us because we helped collate these documents -- documents that ended up in the Supreme Court of India. These documents are very clear in -- ordering -- the continuance of Srila Prabhupada as the exclusive acharya of ISKCON.

There is simply NO counter documentation to support the idea that 11 of the ISKCON GBC had been appointed acharyas, or that the GBC has the role of appointing acharyas, etc. All the evidence supports our idea -- that Srila Prabhupada was meant to be the acharya of ISKCON "henceforward." That is what ALL the documentation supported ALL along. ys pd]

Caitanya Priya Das

PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.
WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED

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QUESTION-(28/may/1977)

Satsvarupa:

-INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE,

-HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED,

PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

ANSWER-(28/may/1977)

Srila Prabhupada:

"I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACHARYA."

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28/5/1977

QUESTION:

Satsvarupa:

"Then our next question concerns INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE, PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED."

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ANSWER:

Srila Prabhupada:

"Yes. I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU. After this is settled up. I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACHARYA."

Tamala Krishna: "Is that called RITVIK-ACARYA?"

Srila Prabhupada: "RITVIK.YES." (28/5/1977)

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Note: We must carefully analyze the essence of this short conversation for a proper understanding.

THE QUESTION:

Our next question concerns “INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE”.

IN THE FUTURE = THAT TIME, WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

INITIATIONS = FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS

"IN THE FUTURE" the general meaning is: "from now on; henceforth, HENCEFORWARD" which means for ALL of the FUTURE; All of the time; From this moment on; From now on after this moment; Henceforward into the future (etc).

-They specify that the question refers to a specific and particular period of the future:
PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

They divided THE FUTURE in two periods,

The border or dividing point of these two periods was that particular moment,time,”WHEN you are no longer with us”,when you leave the body:

FIRST PERIOD:

From now,(28-may-1977),until the moment "when YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US",when you leave the body.

SECOND PERIOD:
”when you are no longer with us”,from the moment YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US, when you leave your body. HENCEFORTH, HENCEFORWARD

The question concerns to this particular "VERY LONG" second period of the future. “We want to know”

Why "our next question about INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE" does not refer with the first period?

The first period means from that day,(28-may-1977),to the concrete or particular moment when Prabhupada would leave the body.

It means a period,future, when still Srila Prabhupada would be physically present.

They were not interested about “how first and second initiations will be conducted” during that first period,during Srila Prabhupada´s physical presence, because for that period already they knew what to do and in fact already they were doing these rittvik initiations on Prabhupada's behalf from a number of years ago.

Why ask about what you already know?.

You ask about what you do not know.
For that reason they said: ”WE WANT TO KNOW”.
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The clear CONCLUSION is that

FIRST CONCLUSION :

The question about INITIATIONS during this first period,during Prabhupada presence, was unnecesary and did not happen. There was not any answer to a nonexistent question. There was no official document with a nonexistent answer to a nonexistent question. Everything about initiations during Srila Prabhupada presence it was clearly established from years ago.

SECOND CONCLUSION:

What they want to know, the question, the answer and the official document were exclusively related to:

“HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.”

That means according to the clear question, INITIATIONS AFTER SRILA PRABHUPADA PHYSICAL DISAPPERANCE.

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The immediate answer was very clear, "I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU
TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACHARYA "RITVIK, (28/May/1977),but the OFFICIAL answer WOULD ALSO COME few weeks later (July 9 th,1977).

.After this is settled up, ”I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU …” (28/May/1977)

1.The form “I SHALL,we shall” is used before a verb in the infinitive to show something that will take place or exist in the future. The form “shall”(esp with: I or we as subject) is used as an auxiliary to make the future.Example; We shall arrive tomorrow.we shall see you tomorrow.
In the first person, shall is used to indicate simple futurity: I shall (not will) have to buy another ticket.

That means that Srila Prabhupada will make , in the near future, ("AFTER THIS IS SETTLED UP”), a official document in answer to that essential specific question, just as the document also confirms: “Srila Prabhupada indicated that SOON HE WOULD APPOINT some of His senior disciples”

THE CLEAR ANSWER TO THAT SPECIFIC AND CLEAR QUESTION (28/May/1977), would ALSO come in a very clear official document few weeks later ( July 9 th,1977).

http://www.harekrsna.org/gbc/themes/july9.htm 

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THE DOCUMENT ( July 9 th,1977) IS THE PUBLIC OFFICIAL CORRESPONDING ANSWER TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTION,(28/May/1977) as indicated at the beginning of the document:” RECENTLY,WHEN all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrindavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "rittvik"-representative of the acharya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation.”

We can see clearly how the beginning of the document tells that this is the official public manifestation of what Srila Prabhupada anticipated at that meeting: "I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU ..." (28 / May / 1977).

The essential point to remember is that THIS DOCUMENT IS THE ANSWER TO A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION that was made to Srila Prabhupada on May 28, 1977.

What was that question that Srila Prabhupada answered that is now formalized in a document?

"WE WANT TO KNOW
HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED
PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US."

Therefore the validity of this document relates especially to the specific period of time, after the physical departure of Srila Prabhupada, the system of initiations after the departure of Srila Prabhupada,a very long period of future.

“AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.”,from that time forward,henceforward.

This entire document is a clear response to this clear question,THE SYSTEM OF INITIATIONS AFTER THE PHYSICAL DISAPPEARANCE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.

And this is the description of the system according to the document,a clear answer to a clear question:

Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
77-07-09
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet.

*Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana,

*Srila Prabhupada indicated that
soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples
TO ACT AS RITVIK-REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA,
for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation.

His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:…............

*THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA,

*THE ABOVE ELEVEN SENIOR DEVOTEES ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE.

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DOCUMENT 9/July/1977

Please note between parenthesis and capital letters are the corresponding text from 28/may/1977,to be observed the total similarity between the two documents where one (9/July/1977) is a strict and detailed response and replica of the first (28/May/1977).

*Recently,(9/July/1977),referring to 28/MAY/1977

*when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrindavana, (9/July/1977)

( OUR,the GBC,NEXT QUESTION CONCERNS-28/May/1977)”

*Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint -9/July/1977

("AFTER THIS IS SETTLED UP,I SHALL RECOMMEND….28/May/1977 ")

*some of His senior disciples-9/July/1977
( "SOME OF YOU.",28/May/1977)

*to act as "rittvik"-representative of the acharya, 9/July/1977
("TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACHARYA.RITVIK-28/May/1977)”

*for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. 9/July/1977

(“INITIATIONS IN THE FUTURE,
PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.
We want to know
HOW FIRST AND SECOND INITIATIONS WILL BE CONDUCTED.” 28/May/1977)

*HisDivine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples9/July/1977

(I SHALL RECOMMEND SOME OF YOU. 28/May/1977)

*who will act in that capacity9/July/1977
(TO ACT AS OFFICIATING ACHARYA. 28/May/1977):

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“Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may HENCEFORWARD send recommendation for first and second initiation…”

-henceforth or henceforwards or henceforward:
.henceforward, from this time forth; from now on;from this time forward;
example:"henceforth she will be known as Mrs. Smith"

Synonyms
from now on, in the future, hereafter, hence, herein after, from this day forward
British English: henceforth Henceforth means from this time onwards.
from this time forward : starting now
.-forth 1. Forward in time, place, or order; onward: from this time forth.

This means that this resolution or measure should be followed until a new different order to change it or abolish, coming from this same person,the authority,Srila Prabhupada.

What it means FROM NOW AND FOREVER, because once "disappeared" he will never change such order.

HENCEFORWARD means “IN THE FUTURE”, now on; henceforth”, ALL THE FUTURE,FROM NOW AND WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US.

According to the question asked, “PARTICULARLY AT THAT TIME WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US”,here HENCE FORWARD means “as much time as you're no longer with us”,FROM NOW AND FOREVER.