Sunday, July 1, 2018

Amar Puri was right (PADA)

Amar Puri says:

Dear Learned Readers,

I came across by chance at the following LINK which got my attention to reply for it which I never knew it existed.

[PADA: Its now deleted. Thanks for alerting us to this.]

Sunday, January 22, 2017
The Role of Ritviks in 1970s ISKCON


krishna1008: The Role of Ritviks in 1970s ISKCON

In his Blog, Makhancora dasa initiated by Purujit dasa writes asking questions on behalf of Purujit as it appears ;

” My question about how many rtviks did Srila Prabhupada use to perform the initiations and other ceremonies in his movement remained unanswered by Amar Puri. Did Srila Prabhupada use 4 rtviks — the ¨hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.¨?

Srila Prabhupada explains in the Srimad Bhagavatam 7.3.30 the quality and the qualification of the authorized Rtviks who used to serve and perform Yajana ( Fire Sacrifice ) on behalf of the Rishis, qualified personalities in the science of God -- Krsna Realization.

Based on the Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada authorized also certain Senior Individuals, his disciples who served SELFLESSLY Srila Prabhupada as a Rivik Brahmna. Brahmna is one of the category who can perform such Ritvik activities IF s/he is authorized by the Acharya. This is very very very simple to understand it. Isn’t it Makhanacora dasa ?

Is your Initiator Purujit authorized by Srila Prabhupada ?

If so, where is such ORDER that makes him an authorized Ritvik Brahman (when Purujit never had any authorized formal Brahmana Initiation himself) as per one of the 4 categories of the Authorized Ritvik as described in the S.B. 7.3.30 which Makhanacora is refuting and leading to a misrepresentation creating a smoke screen of cheating by quoting Srila Prabhupada and the Shastras?

Furthermore, I am totally surprised to read the following from PADA’s writing when he says in his Blog mentioned above ;

[PADA: Right, there are a lot of people who claim to be Prabhupadanugas, but they are actually not happy to see the success of the sincere Prabhupadanugas. So these opponents are sort of acting as agents of Kali to disrupt the sincere preaching — while posing as “the most sincere” Srila Prabhupada devotees. Same thing happened to Srila Prabhupada, he said many of his “senior” God brothers were envious, and they were constantly attacking his work, and this envious process was giving him “depression repression, oppression.”

Para continues ; “ Anyway, Purujit prabhu is doing the job, Madhu Pandit is doing the job, Akshaya Patra Jaipur, Sunnyvale Yatra, local Bay Area Prabhupadanugas,,, Jitarati’s book printing folks — and many other sincere people — are all doing the job, and they should get the credit. And they will get the credit from Krishna for doing His work. And they will get extra credit from Krishna for doing His work in the face of so many envious opponents.”

And he goes on and on ………. but unfortunately it looks like Pada fell short to find out the FACTS about Purujit’s misrepresentation through his Initiate Makhancora dasa under Purujit’s direction, of course, who creates in his writing all types of smoke screen to bewilder the Readers including PADA.

I sincerely do hope that Pada do read this comments and write it on his blog for the kind perusal of his Readers including Makhancora dasa.


Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

[PADA: Right, we did not have our facts straight.

Currently there are only a few people performing ritvik ceremonies and that is a major problem. At the same time, we have no organized process of making brahmanas who can give the official ritvik initiation ceremonies. In fact, we have very little organized at all. At least Bangalore is making some infrastructure for formal initiations, deity worship and so on, and they are the main people doing so at present. 

Over the years we have tried to work with other so-called ritviks, and its been a bumpy ride to say the least. We shall give some examples below. Anyway! Therefore, some folks will most likely have to just start doing ritvik initiations on their own, since little organized program is being generated to regulate that process at present. And the ritviks are in dis-array over all sorts of issues, and cannot seem to combine together to create a well regulated program, or even any basic overall infrastructure at all. This is also why Sulochana said we have to use the media, police and the courts, the devotees per se won't unite to fix things. He has been proven right in this regard.

Having said that, this does not allow maverick people to make their own program which contains deviations, such as Purujit is doing by saying the books used by Srila Prabhupada are faulty and are therefore de facto bogus. Purujit is working full time all the time to break people's faith in the books that have been used by Srila Prabhupada. And that is practically worse than what the GBC is doing, because the GBC are at least not posing as reformers. Of course Purujit hid that agenda from us for a long time, so he sort of sneaked it in. He fooled us, we have to admit.

Similar type problem we had with the Krishna Kanta's IRM. He said, lets work together. Fine, except then he sneaked in another agenda, PADA should not sue the GBC over the changed books, or the molesting issue, and we have to simply jettison and forget about the poison issue. That means the IRM has wanted PADA to compromise with the GBC's guru process. We can not agree. And the IRM still says we are wrong to pursue the GBC the way we did.  

Then we have had the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahald / HKC Jaipur folks. We were working with them at various times as well. Then, they were cheating Bangalore by using the Akshaya Patra program's logo and advertising to collect money for their HKC program. OK that is illegal. Again, cheating techniques are another GBC agenda. 

Then PADA said -- their program should not advertise Mukunda's promoting of Illuminati / Hitler materials, and Prahlad said their Hitler-anugas program is great preaching because "its getting lots of youtube hits." OK we have to accept another agenda which is not acceptable. Then later Prahlad said he was going to get the GBC's goondas to come and kill me, apparently because he wanted us to help him promote Mukunda's bogus worship of Hitler program and so on. 

Then, the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC folks began openly promoting their real agenda, that Bhakta das is their shiksha guru and adviser, and he is a main boot licker of the GBC guru's and Radhanath's program, proving that they are still in sympathy with the molester messiah's project. Again another unaccepted agenda. Then they said its a bad idea to rescue children who are being abused, yup how did you guess, another pro-molester messiah's program agenda. 

Worse, HKC Jaipur's leading people were constantly bombing me with messages  sending me links to Prahlad's site advertising their senior adviser -- Bhakta das. I need to help them promote the worship of deviants and molesters as Krishna's successors and acharyas? Yep. They would rather see the molester messiahs win than us, so we had to break off with them. 

Its amazing that these people still cannot understand that deviants are not acharyas, and we should not be helping Bhakta das progam to promote them? And worse, they think they can convince PADA to help them promote their Bhakta das / Radhanath regime? Did we forget to mention their Bhakta das / Radhanath program kills Vaishnavas for objecting to their worship of deviants as acharyas process? 

So we had to break off with these guys ... never mind Prahlad's sending me death threats apparently from HKC Jaipur property is not going to promote unified preaching? Prahlad complains, PADA is not unified, with what?, with his Bhakta das program of promoting molesters as God's successor acharyas?

Now Purujit says Amar Puri is a drug addict. 

Amazing, same thing some of the GBC's folks say about our group all along. Only us (bogus ritviks -- who are mostly drug addicts) know that sexual predators are not acharyas. Only foolish drug addicts know we cannot join Purujit in attacking the books used personally by the acharya? That means they are saying the drug addicts are more advanced than them? Various GBC's folks told me the same thing, I am a heroin addict, way back in 1983? Is that the best argument these clowns can come up with, only heroin addicts know that molesters are not messiahs and the books should not be re-written?  

Anyway! So we really do not have very qualified people to put forward an organized program. And then people wonder why the Bangalore people are not too enthused to work with this dog and pony show circus? So I really do not have an easy solution, but at some point an organized process is going to be required to give the initiations and to certify the priests who will conduct those initiations. We simply do not have qualified people to put that together at present, although at least Bangalore is doing something stable in this regard, and thus they deserve a lot of credit for that. 

So what I am telling "new" people is to simply accept that they are Srila Prabhupada initiates and to consider themselves his disciples DE FACTO. Its not a very good process, but its all we have at present. Various people have asked me to be a ritvik myself. I have avoided that because for starters most of the other "ritviks" would attack the people who accepted that, even more than the GBC. I would simply be making attack targets of these people for target practice. I already know what that looks like and would not want to wish that on any other soul. hee hee!

Anyway, PADA has made many mistakes over the years. for sure. And we have tried all sorts of things that did not work, but some things did work. Some folks were lost, some were saved, many of my God Brothers died from terminal illness due to depression and stress and so on and so forth, that is life. Same things happened in the Gaudiya Matha. Nothing new here either. 

We were also betrayed countless times and so on. One ISKCON devotee said the ritviks are like the infighting Arabs, they want everyone to join the Arab peace process, but where is it? Hah hah!

So what can be done now? I think my idea is the best idea, consider that people are disciples de facto for now until we can get more organized. The organized process the acharya wanted may not happen right away. Any suggestions for what we can do now are appreciated. ys pd] 

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