Illicit sex debauchees are: Krishna's guru successors?
ISKCON Sandy Ridge North Carolina:
For that reason, simply adopting ISKCON policy and having the support of higher authority does make local management a lot easier. Admittedly, however, there was some reluctance in the community about being subjected to the ultimate authority of ISKCON's leaders, given the mistakes that devotees had witnessed in the past. We began to ask ourselves some key questions:
[PADA: Oh great, so now the "ISKCON Sandy Ridge" folks are establishing that we need to surrender to the GBC "guru" people, those who are saying that acharyas are making many mistakes, never mind their acharyas are often debauchees. Of course this is not a mistake, the GBC says acharyas are often debauchees purposefully. That is their intent, to establish that the guru parampara from Krishna is defective and fallen.
Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks acharyas are ordinary mistaken men are residents of narakah. If the acharya is making many mistakes, and the acharya is often a debauchee, as the GBC and now Sandy Ridge has hooked their wagon to, that invalidates everything else the acharya says and does.
Why should we read the books of the acharya, if acharyas are mistaken and debauchees? They are trying as hard as they can to DISCREDIT the acharyas and KRISHNA. If saying that Lord Krishna's gurus are often fallen is a mistake, when was this mistake rectified? It never has been.]
1. Is ISKCON still a viable entity?
2. Would the majority of devotees participate if we elected to remain officially ISKCON?
3. If we disagree with certain policies or practices within ISKCON, are we likely to invoke positive change or make any difference at all by separating ourselves or by joining another mission or group?
4. What would Srila Prabhupada want us to do?
[PADA: The post-1977 GBC folks say their messiahs / gurus / acharyas are often caught engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. Why does ISKCON Sandy Ridge want to form an association with the same people who have maintained that the Jesus-like messiahs from God and heaven -- are often sexual predators, and / or drug addicts and /or criminals etc.?
Where does Srila Prabhupada say we should worship illicit sex with men, women and children as our guru lineage? And why is ISKCON Sandy Ridge apparently now teaching their children that Gods' guru successors / acharyas / messiahs are often debauchees, which is what the post-1977 GBC's folks say all the time? Srila Prabhupada wanted us to worship a guru lineage of mistakes and sexual predators as our messiahs?]
With a little research, the answers to these questions become obvious. ISKCON is a thriving, growing institution and many progressive changes have been made over the years reflecting maturity and sincerity of purpose.
[PADA: ISKCON says gurus / acharyas are engaged in illicit sex, that is "progressive" all right, its progressive sahajiya-ism, progressive new age secularism, materialism etc., and this has nothing to do with our teachings. That is what the supporters of gay marriage call themselves, "the progressives." Progressing to where?
Why is it that teaching people that God's successors are often debauchees is "a thriving religion"? Its not thriving at all, its being rejected by the mass of Prabhupada devotees, most of the ex-kulis and the mass of public. Oh swell, saying that God's gurus and successors are often debauchees shows "maturity and sincerity of purpose." Really? Even dogs do not worship debauchees as their messiahs? Are dogs more sincere than these people?
Why is it that teaching people that God's successors are often debauchees is "a thriving religion"? Its not thriving at all, its being rejected by the mass of Prabhupada devotees, most of the ex-kulis and the mass of public. Oh swell, saying that God's gurus and successors are often debauchees shows "maturity and sincerity of purpose." Really? Even dogs do not worship debauchees as their messiahs? Are dogs more sincere than these people?
We all know that one of Srila Prabhupada's final requests was that we demonstrate our love for him by cooperating with one another, but he never advocated blind following.
[PADA: So why are you blindly surrendering to and accepting the Hrdayananda and debauchee acharyas process?]
The term "checks and balances" as used by Srila Prabhupada indicates the need for internal communication. By maintaining proper forums for respectful discussion, with the aim of preserving the integrity of Srila Prabhupada's movement as well as enriching our spiritual understanding, ISKCON will remain the most widespread and authoritative presentation of Gaudiya Vaisnavism on the planet.
[PADA: Oh great, worship of debauchees as acharyas is "authoritative." Ummm, even dogs and the dog eater class of people do not worship illicit sex debauchees as their messiahs.]
We are therefore pleased to announce that by unanimous decision of the temple board, along with the encouragement of other members of the community, the TOTHN has officially joined ISKCON by signing the ISKCON bylaws, thus establishing a permanent, non-changeable identity for our temple.
[PADA: The ISKCON bylaws essentially say we have to surrender to their debauchee acharyas parampara.]
We are hoping to attract like-minded devotees who are willing to cooperate within ISKCON to help establish our community as an example of "simple living and high thinking". Please visit us at iskconpv.org.
Jaya Gaurasundara dasa
Temple President
ISKCON of Sandy Ridge
Temple of the Holy Name in Prabhupada Village
[PADA: Oh great, worship of debauchees as acharyas is "authoritative." Ummm, even dogs and the dog eater class of people do not worship illicit sex debauchees as their messiahs.]
We are therefore pleased to announce that by unanimous decision of the temple board, along with the encouragement of other members of the community, the TOTHN has officially joined ISKCON by signing the ISKCON bylaws, thus establishing a permanent, non-changeable identity for our temple.
[PADA: The ISKCON bylaws essentially say we have to surrender to their debauchee acharyas parampara.]
We are hoping to attract like-minded devotees who are willing to cooperate within ISKCON to help establish our community as an example of "simple living and high thinking". Please visit us at iskconpv.org.
Jaya Gaurasundara dasa
Temple President
ISKCON of Sandy Ridge
Temple of the Holy Name in Prabhupada Village
[PADA: Prabhupada village has now officially signed onto the Hrdayananda gay marriage and gay messiah's sampradaya. Swell! Well at least they are admitting they want to teach the world to worship illicit sex with men, women and children as their guru lineage by "following GBC bylaws." Did we forget to mention that as soon as anyone says debauchees are not messiahs. then the Sandy Ridge GBC ilk will sue that person for $20,000,000 to stop them from worshiping Prabhupada, and try to force them to worship their debauchees' "God's successors" process -- instead of Prabhupada?
And we also need to accept Hrdayananda's gay marriage Krishna West program too? And we need to surrender to the people who buried a known sexual predator criminal like Kirtanananda in the holy dham? Hee hee, this means these Sandy Ridge people have never read the books of the acharya, he says worship of a debauchee guru lineage takes one straight to the lower planets, he never authorized this process. This is written in Yamaraja's bylaws. ys pd]
Thanks prabhu DS, Yes the GBC is saying that persons who are making mistakes, who are watching porno, who are often debauchees, and who are making huge lawsuits, scandals, crimes and who knows what else, are authorized to "2/3 show if hands" vote for the next acharya. And that acharyas have to be voted in, voted out, suspended for deviations, monitored, censured, and excommunicated by this panel of deviants. Right, this is an insult to all messiahs and acharyas, to say they are commonly fallen deviants, or they have to be "managed" by deviants. ys pd
ReplyDeleteRight, I do not get it either, saying that Krishna's guru successors are often fallen debauchees is "the mature understanding of Srila Prabhupada's teachings." Really?
ReplyDeleteAnd since these Sandy Ridge folks signed post-1977 ISKCON's bylaws, that is what those bylaws and GBC reports are saying, gurus are falling down left, right and center into illicit sex, drugs, criminal behavior, gurus are sometimes sexual predators of minors -- and so forth.
In other words, the Sand Ridge people are trying to create the impression that Jesus-like successors to God, are actually servants of Satan. This is sahajiya vada, at the very least, never mind a number of their gurus are official sahajiyas who hang out with Ramesh Babu and others. Yep! Its pretty disgusting that these people are not reading Prabhupada's books and they are signing onto a deviation that says God's successors are usually sex addicted demons. Then they wonder why they are not attracting a lot of people? Who wants to worship debauchees as their lineage of messiahs? Not even my neighbor's dog is interested in that. ys pd