7:00 Dear PADA hare krsna have got a question prabhu. I was besumed to learn that Swarup prabhu does not support Prabhupada as the diskha guru.
PADA: Swarupa hebel?
Yes.
PADA: Well yes he has been all over the map over the years, he was a big supporter of Kirtanananda, then he went into heroin for years, then he went to the Gaudiya Matha.
I posted ritvik crusade and he was all fire.
PADA: He has no clear idea. Yes, he is a supporter of the false gurus ultimately. He is very upset that I am exposing his friends. Where are you posting?
In his today 's comment prabhu
PADA: well he has blocked me, please cut the whole exchange and I'll post it on my blog if you want, lets expose him.
Hare Krsna prabhu.
PADA: Yes, he has totally blocked me, i cannot see his wall or even send him a message.
I wrote, why he is against July 9th letter which was Prabhupada's desire, then he was all over me.
PADA: Yes, cut and paste the exchange and sent it to me.
Hare Krsna prabhus. Guru issue keeps rearing its head again n again and we all have our own understanding and rendition of the guru issue. Some side ritvik (Srila Prabhupada) and some are cheerleaders of other gurus stressing upon the physical presence etc . I have billion percent faith in transcontinental Srila Prabhupada and will always go by his infallible words whether it is ritvik or any other subject matter. For many it may sound as rhetoric affray but neglecting achrayas ' words have only boomeranged. Jesus or Prophet Muhammad are very much present for their followers then why not Srila Prabhupada it was my first comment @ Swarup Hebbel - Sri Krsna says in the Bhagavad -gita ( 9.26 ) ,'' If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.'' But, the mayavadis defy it thus they make mockery of their intelligence. And, When Srila Prabhupada duly signs the July 9th letter which proclaims that Srila Prabhupada is the spiritual master is of Iskcon but the upstarts learning few slokas etc try to better and outsmart invincible Srila Prabhupada by writing words which stem from their speculation and assertion. O Krsna! Your maya is really powerful. Srila Prabhupada, plz give me shelter at Lotus feet n save me from this nescience !
PADA: He is a supporter of the false gurus more than us, that is why he has been taking heroin and he is currently infected in his leg with severe staph, this is from drugs. He is taking shelter of drugs and he wants others to join him, no, we take shelter of Srila Prabhupada. His best friend Srutasrava is dying too, many of these guys took drugs and harassed us, now they are getting karma.
7:24am Natrajan Sinha -- Svarupa said, so what's your point. Yes, Krishna says "patram puspam phalam toyam" in the Bhagavad-gita. I am familiar with that verse. Thank you for reminding me of that beautiful sloka. What does that have to do with the politics of the never ending interpretation of a letter written in July of 1977? Are you going to drag me over the ritvik coals? I don't think I could take it. I'm in a fragile position these days and I might fall apart into thousands of pieces. Who will put me back together again?
PADA: 7:25am Yes, he is falling apart, instead of following the ritvik order, he supported the bogus gurus, and this made him turn to drugs, and now he has severe health problems because he did not surrender to the order to promote the acharya, and he still wont. He says worship of the acharya is politics, because he thinks Srila Prabhupada is another mundane politician. Worship of the acharya is politics, he thinks the acharyas and Ronald Reagan, George Bush etc. are all the same levels, all of them are politicians. Yes, worship of the acharya is politics, because he thinks acharyas are politicians like George Bush, no wonder he is falling apart, he is severely offensive for saying the acharyas are polticians.
7:32am Prabhu, what hurts t most is that senior disciples speak n misled the innocent How come the disciples who have spent some time physically with Prabhupada speak about multiple guru system.
PADA: 7:36am Well they are motivated, Swarupa supported the gurus like Kirtanananda because they gave him a position in ISKCON, now he is too embarassed to admit he was wrong because by supporting Kirtanananda he destroyed people. I was kicked out in 1979 for speaking out, he never has spoken out, he was with them and now he cannot admit that his support of the Kauravas was wrong. That is why he is suffering so badly, he has all kinds of health problems because he became a heroin addict, and his friends are all suffering because they also took drugs, so they would not defend their guru, and now they cannot admit they blew it. They were not faithful to guru, so they became faithful to heroin. They loved heroin and not Krishna. That is the result of their disobeying the order.
Swarup has large following on Facebook but it is like kissing each other a## . He writes very flowery language n thus generates lot of hits .
PADA 7:40am They had a chance to defend their guru and they did not, so now they say that defending guru is all politics, that means they think people like us are wrong .
They condemn us actually ..
PADA: Well he has a lot of fools like him, a mutal a$$ kissing society, and that is why thousands of children were molested, they condemned us and let these kids get raped for 20 years.
7:41amHow sad! Disciples do not have faith in Prabhupada words.
PADA: 7:41am As soon as I said there is a molesting problem, these people all attacked me and defended the molester messiahs, Svarup and his bunch are responsible for the mass molesting of thousands of children for attacking us when we brought this up. And he is still atacking us because he is proud so many kids were molested because of his harassing us dissenters.
7:41am They walk with strut that they have seen prabhupada.
PADA: 7:42am Well they have been walking with heroin mainly, and Prabhupada a little bit. Yes, they caused the mass molesting of children and they are proud of that, and that is why they are falling apart now.
Report · 7:43am I was very hurt prabhu that He criticizes ritvik.
PADA: 7:43am All these people atacked me when I said there is a molesting program, they helped the molesters.
7:43am Iskcon is a very confused place.
PADA 7:44am Well do not worry, he is a heroin addict who is suffering badly because he is an offender to his guru.
7:44 amoh! because u spoil their party , u have become an eyesore.
PADA: 7:44am Yes, well it is confusing, true, and that is why he is in hospital all the time, he confused people and now he is suffering terrible. Well yes, they cannot face the fact that their going along with the corruption allowed mass molesting, murders, bad publicity and so on, Savarup ruined iskcon by going along with the bogus gurus.
7:46am I wanted to ask him why u do not have faith in your guru 's word but let it pass.
PADA: 7:46am Now he thinks those of us who tried to recitfy are the bad guys, that means he is proud of all the molesting he created by his going along. Yes, he cannot face his past, he supported these corrupt people and attacked those of us who criticized the corruption, that means he helped the corrupt gurus and he still is covering up for them.
7:47am The more i come across these kind of bizzare incidents, the more my faith consolidates in Prabhupada. He can only save. He is saving.
PADA 7:48am Yes, Swarup is a waste of time, he would not follow his guru so he turned to heroin, and not he acts like he knows it all, what a fool, yes simply adopt Prabhupada.
7:48am One thing is there, simply counting the number of years n silver hair do not make one an advanced devotee. Faith is the cornerstone.
PADA: 7:49amSwarupa is already suffering badly, he has to get his legs scraped, they cut all the way to the muscles, because his infection, this is all the result of herion, he is a drug addict who thinks he knows it all. Yes he never had faith or he would never have gone off to heroin.
7:50am Chanting since 30 years etc but they try to eclipse the guru only.
PADA 7:50am He has been chanting heroin and support the bogus gurus, that is not chanting.
7:51amBut he writes very devotional stuff on Facebook n says that he gets up in t morning .
PADA 7:51am And he has been chanting, stop the worship of the pure devotees, its politics, he hates to see the worship of the pure devotee, so he is chanting, stop the worship of Srila Prabhupada because he is a mundane political man, no wonder he is suffering.
7:51am He has been chanting 16 for many years.
PADA 7:51am Well he is a fraud, he has not been chanting, he has been a heroin addict.
7:52am Krsna !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PADA: 7:52am He harassed us. He was always preaching that we are bad, and worship of the pure devotee is politics, that is not preaching, that means he is attacking the worship of his guru.
7:54am I am for one thing, if u r with prabhupada u r right, otherwise, wrong.
PADA: 7:54am His best friends are Gaudiya Matha people. He has no faith in Prabhupada, he thinks worship of Prabhupada is political, he thinks the guru is a politician. That is what he said all along, worship of Prabhupada is politics, what and offender!
BUT yesterday, he wrote that Prabhupada saved him, otherwise, his future was dark.
PADA 7:56amSaved him from what? He surrendered to heroin, even the karmis are better than that, he cannot even come up to the standards of the karmis.
7:56am In Iskcon Bangalore when u come, even a small child says,'' Prabhupada is always right .'' But old devotees r grappling to develop faith. Alas !
PADA: 757am Even the karmis know heroin is bogus. These folks are not devotees, they are frauds posing as devotees. They are devotees of heroin, not guru.
7:58amIt is better to read prabhupada 's books, associate with ritvik devotees n.
PADA 7:58am The karmis are more advanced than these drug addicts, they are making a mockery of Krishna.
7:58am Chant! 16 minimum.
PADA: 7:58am Well yes, he has not been chanting at all, how could he fall into drugs for years if he was chanting?
7:58am Infact, their misdeeds make us hang our head in shame.
PADA 7:58am Well yes, they simply gave Krishna a bad name.
7:59am I was attracted to his words but it was busted.
PADA: They all said we were bad for trying to give Krishna a good name, and they said our idea is politics, to worship the pure devotee, they think guru pooja is political? This means he is an offender.
8:00am We are repeating prabhupada 's word . so we r right.
PADA: Yes,
8:00am If one deviates then there lies t problem.
PADA: 8:01am The proof is he took heroin for years and now he is dying from so many ailments connected to the heroin, he surrendered to heroin.
8:01am They cram few slokas n they try to supersede Prabhupada. O God !
PADA 8:01am He is not surrendered to guru and Krishna, and he never was.
8:02am When did he leave n join?
PADA 8:02am That is why he and his friends are all dying now. I am not sure when he joined but he was still in New Vrndavana supporting the Kirtananada regime by he mid 1980s, I had already left in 1979, then he left and became a heroin addict rather than help me, he hated me for exposing these crooked gurus. He has the reputation of being an addict amongst us older devotees, no one takes him serious.
8:04am My eyes were opened today. Thank u prabhuji for ur time n advice.
PADA 8:06am Svarupa is another sad case of what happens when you disobey the guru, you suffer, and he has to be in the hospital every two weeks, very painful.
8:06am HARE KRSNA. Jai Srila Prabhupada !
PADA 8:06am Even the karmis are not taking heroin, this is a cop out from defending your guru, the karmis are not taking heroin and they are thus doing better than this man, he has surrendered to maya, not Krishna.
ok haribol! Yes, disobeying to t extent of replacing as t guru is very very bad.
PADA 8:08am And so he is suffering and so are the other gurus falling apart, they all have major health problems now, they are all taking drugs and going to the hospital, that means they disobeyed.
8:08amHaribol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.
8:08am jaya. offenders r being put to task. one thing i have noticed it.
PADA 8:08am yes, they are suffering terrible. Svarupa has incurable staph, very painful, it eats your skin off.
8:09am yak.
PADA: 8:10am The only way to fix it is to chop it all out, very painful.
8:10am unimaginable.
PADA: 8:10am They cannot cure it, they have to chop him out. Thats why he is so upset now, its all catching up to him, all these years of defying his guru.
8:12am so sad
PADA: 8:13am Worse, He also knows we are winning, so that upsets him all the more, the ritvik boat is passing by and he is drowning, he is going to die and no one will care while our boat gets more passengers.
8:13am Ritvik is prabhupada 's brainchild . who can stop us? It is a matter of time only.
PADA 8:14am He is upset because we are winning and his idea of "politics" is falling away. Yes, he is trying to stop us, but he sees, we are going forward, this is more pain for him. The more that Prabhupada makes progress, the more these envious Swarupas get angry. He is envious that Prabhupada is being accepted, and his idea is being rejected. So now he and his friends all have incurable diseases, they are dying, they are losing everything now.
8:17am oh !
PADA 8:17am yep!
thanks for all, now I have a clear idea.
PADA: Swarupa hebel?
Yes.
PADA: Well yes he has been all over the map over the years, he was a big supporter of Kirtanananda, then he went into heroin for years, then he went to the Gaudiya Matha.
I posted ritvik crusade and he was all fire.
PADA: He has no clear idea. Yes, he is a supporter of the false gurus ultimately. He is very upset that I am exposing his friends. Where are you posting?
In his today 's comment prabhu
PADA: well he has blocked me, please cut the whole exchange and I'll post it on my blog if you want, lets expose him.
Hare Krsna prabhu.
PADA: Yes, he has totally blocked me, i cannot see his wall or even send him a message.
I wrote, why he is against July 9th letter which was Prabhupada's desire, then he was all over me.
PADA: Yes, cut and paste the exchange and sent it to me.
Hare Krsna prabhus. Guru issue keeps rearing its head again n again and we all have our own understanding and rendition of the guru issue. Some side ritvik (Srila Prabhupada) and some are cheerleaders of other gurus stressing upon the physical presence etc . I have billion percent faith in transcontinental Srila Prabhupada and will always go by his infallible words whether it is ritvik or any other subject matter. For many it may sound as rhetoric affray but neglecting achrayas ' words have only boomeranged. Jesus or Prophet Muhammad are very much present for their followers then why not Srila Prabhupada it was my first comment @ Swarup Hebbel - Sri Krsna says in the Bhagavad -gita ( 9.26 ) ,'' If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.'' But, the mayavadis defy it thus they make mockery of their intelligence. And, When Srila Prabhupada duly signs the July 9th letter which proclaims that Srila Prabhupada is the spiritual master is of Iskcon but the upstarts learning few slokas etc try to better and outsmart invincible Srila Prabhupada by writing words which stem from their speculation and assertion. O Krsna! Your maya is really powerful. Srila Prabhupada, plz give me shelter at Lotus feet n save me from this nescience !
PADA: He is a supporter of the false gurus more than us, that is why he has been taking heroin and he is currently infected in his leg with severe staph, this is from drugs. He is taking shelter of drugs and he wants others to join him, no, we take shelter of Srila Prabhupada. His best friend Srutasrava is dying too, many of these guys took drugs and harassed us, now they are getting karma.
7:24am Natrajan Sinha -- Svarupa said, so what's your point. Yes, Krishna says "patram puspam phalam toyam" in the Bhagavad-gita. I am familiar with that verse. Thank you for reminding me of that beautiful sloka. What does that have to do with the politics of the never ending interpretation of a letter written in July of 1977? Are you going to drag me over the ritvik coals? I don't think I could take it. I'm in a fragile position these days and I might fall apart into thousands of pieces. Who will put me back together again?
PADA: 7:25am Yes, he is falling apart, instead of following the ritvik order, he supported the bogus gurus, and this made him turn to drugs, and now he has severe health problems because he did not surrender to the order to promote the acharya, and he still wont. He says worship of the acharya is politics, because he thinks Srila Prabhupada is another mundane politician. Worship of the acharya is politics, he thinks the acharyas and Ronald Reagan, George Bush etc. are all the same levels, all of them are politicians. Yes, worship of the acharya is politics, because he thinks acharyas are politicians like George Bush, no wonder he is falling apart, he is severely offensive for saying the acharyas are polticians.
7:32am Prabhu, what hurts t most is that senior disciples speak n misled the innocent How come the disciples who have spent some time physically with Prabhupada speak about multiple guru system.
PADA: 7:36am Well they are motivated, Swarupa supported the gurus like Kirtanananda because they gave him a position in ISKCON, now he is too embarassed to admit he was wrong because by supporting Kirtanananda he destroyed people. I was kicked out in 1979 for speaking out, he never has spoken out, he was with them and now he cannot admit that his support of the Kauravas was wrong. That is why he is suffering so badly, he has all kinds of health problems because he became a heroin addict, and his friends are all suffering because they also took drugs, so they would not defend their guru, and now they cannot admit they blew it. They were not faithful to guru, so they became faithful to heroin. They loved heroin and not Krishna. That is the result of their disobeying the order.
Swarup has large following on Facebook but it is like kissing each other a## . He writes very flowery language n thus generates lot of hits .
PADA 7:40am They had a chance to defend their guru and they did not, so now they say that defending guru is all politics, that means they think people like us are wrong .
They condemn us actually ..
PADA: Well he has a lot of fools like him, a mutal a$$ kissing society, and that is why thousands of children were molested, they condemned us and let these kids get raped for 20 years.
7:41amHow sad! Disciples do not have faith in Prabhupada words.
PADA: 7:41am As soon as I said there is a molesting problem, these people all attacked me and defended the molester messiahs, Svarup and his bunch are responsible for the mass molesting of thousands of children for attacking us when we brought this up. And he is still atacking us because he is proud so many kids were molested because of his harassing us dissenters.
7:41am They walk with strut that they have seen prabhupada.
PADA: 7:42am Well they have been walking with heroin mainly, and Prabhupada a little bit. Yes, they caused the mass molesting of children and they are proud of that, and that is why they are falling apart now.
Report · 7:43am I was very hurt prabhu that He criticizes ritvik.
PADA: 7:43am All these people atacked me when I said there is a molesting program, they helped the molesters.
7:43am Iskcon is a very confused place.
PADA 7:44am Well do not worry, he is a heroin addict who is suffering badly because he is an offender to his guru.
7:44 amoh! because u spoil their party , u have become an eyesore.
PADA: 7:44am Yes, well it is confusing, true, and that is why he is in hospital all the time, he confused people and now he is suffering terrible. Well yes, they cannot face the fact that their going along with the corruption allowed mass molesting, murders, bad publicity and so on, Savarup ruined iskcon by going along with the bogus gurus.
7:46am I wanted to ask him why u do not have faith in your guru 's word but let it pass.
PADA: 7:46am Now he thinks those of us who tried to recitfy are the bad guys, that means he is proud of all the molesting he created by his going along. Yes, he cannot face his past, he supported these corrupt people and attacked those of us who criticized the corruption, that means he helped the corrupt gurus and he still is covering up for them.
7:47am The more i come across these kind of bizzare incidents, the more my faith consolidates in Prabhupada. He can only save. He is saving.
PADA 7:48am Yes, Swarup is a waste of time, he would not follow his guru so he turned to heroin, and not he acts like he knows it all, what a fool, yes simply adopt Prabhupada.
7:48am One thing is there, simply counting the number of years n silver hair do not make one an advanced devotee. Faith is the cornerstone.
PADA: 7:49amSwarupa is already suffering badly, he has to get his legs scraped, they cut all the way to the muscles, because his infection, this is all the result of herion, he is a drug addict who thinks he knows it all. Yes he never had faith or he would never have gone off to heroin.
7:50am Chanting since 30 years etc but they try to eclipse the guru only.
PADA 7:50am He has been chanting heroin and support the bogus gurus, that is not chanting.
7:51amBut he writes very devotional stuff on Facebook n says that he gets up in t morning .
PADA 7:51am And he has been chanting, stop the worship of the pure devotees, its politics, he hates to see the worship of the pure devotee, so he is chanting, stop the worship of Srila Prabhupada because he is a mundane political man, no wonder he is suffering.
7:51am He has been chanting 16 for many years.
PADA 7:51am Well he is a fraud, he has not been chanting, he has been a heroin addict.
7:52am Krsna !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PADA: 7:52am He harassed us. He was always preaching that we are bad, and worship of the pure devotee is politics, that is not preaching, that means he is attacking the worship of his guru.
7:54am I am for one thing, if u r with prabhupada u r right, otherwise, wrong.
PADA: 7:54am His best friends are Gaudiya Matha people. He has no faith in Prabhupada, he thinks worship of Prabhupada is political, he thinks the guru is a politician. That is what he said all along, worship of Prabhupada is politics, what and offender!
BUT yesterday, he wrote that Prabhupada saved him, otherwise, his future was dark.
PADA 7:56amSaved him from what? He surrendered to heroin, even the karmis are better than that, he cannot even come up to the standards of the karmis.
7:56am In Iskcon Bangalore when u come, even a small child says,'' Prabhupada is always right .'' But old devotees r grappling to develop faith. Alas !
PADA: 757am Even the karmis know heroin is bogus. These folks are not devotees, they are frauds posing as devotees. They are devotees of heroin, not guru.
7:58amIt is better to read prabhupada 's books, associate with ritvik devotees n.
PADA 7:58am The karmis are more advanced than these drug addicts, they are making a mockery of Krishna.
7:58am Chant! 16 minimum.
PADA: 7:58am Well yes, he has not been chanting at all, how could he fall into drugs for years if he was chanting?
7:58am Infact, their misdeeds make us hang our head in shame.
PADA 7:58am Well yes, they simply gave Krishna a bad name.
7:59am I was attracted to his words but it was busted.
PADA: They all said we were bad for trying to give Krishna a good name, and they said our idea is politics, to worship the pure devotee, they think guru pooja is political? This means he is an offender.
8:00am We are repeating prabhupada 's word . so we r right.
PADA: Yes,
8:00am If one deviates then there lies t problem.
PADA: 8:01am The proof is he took heroin for years and now he is dying from so many ailments connected to the heroin, he surrendered to heroin.
8:01am They cram few slokas n they try to supersede Prabhupada. O God !
PADA 8:01am He is not surrendered to guru and Krishna, and he never was.
8:02am When did he leave n join?
PADA 8:02am That is why he and his friends are all dying now. I am not sure when he joined but he was still in New Vrndavana supporting the Kirtananada regime by he mid 1980s, I had already left in 1979, then he left and became a heroin addict rather than help me, he hated me for exposing these crooked gurus. He has the reputation of being an addict amongst us older devotees, no one takes him serious.
8:04am My eyes were opened today. Thank u prabhuji for ur time n advice.
PADA 8:06am Svarupa is another sad case of what happens when you disobey the guru, you suffer, and he has to be in the hospital every two weeks, very painful.
8:06am HARE KRSNA. Jai Srila Prabhupada !
PADA 8:06am Even the karmis are not taking heroin, this is a cop out from defending your guru, the karmis are not taking heroin and they are thus doing better than this man, he has surrendered to maya, not Krishna.
ok haribol! Yes, disobeying to t extent of replacing as t guru is very very bad.
PADA 8:08am And so he is suffering and so are the other gurus falling apart, they all have major health problems now, they are all taking drugs and going to the hospital, that means they disobeyed.
8:08amHaribol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.
8:08am jaya. offenders r being put to task. one thing i have noticed it.
PADA 8:08am yes, they are suffering terrible. Svarupa has incurable staph, very painful, it eats your skin off.
8:09am yak.
PADA: 8:10am The only way to fix it is to chop it all out, very painful.
8:10am unimaginable.
PADA: 8:10am They cannot cure it, they have to chop him out. Thats why he is so upset now, its all catching up to him, all these years of defying his guru.
8:12am so sad
PADA: 8:13am Worse, He also knows we are winning, so that upsets him all the more, the ritvik boat is passing by and he is drowning, he is going to die and no one will care while our boat gets more passengers.
8:13am Ritvik is prabhupada 's brainchild . who can stop us? It is a matter of time only.
PADA 8:14am He is upset because we are winning and his idea of "politics" is falling away. Yes, he is trying to stop us, but he sees, we are going forward, this is more pain for him. The more that Prabhupada makes progress, the more these envious Swarupas get angry. He is envious that Prabhupada is being accepted, and his idea is being rejected. So now he and his friends all have incurable diseases, they are dying, they are losing everything now.
8:17am oh !
PADA 8:17am yep!
thanks for all, now I have a clear idea.
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