Jennifer Edwards to -- PADA
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Iskcon Mumbai owns City arm
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In a verdict that puts an end to a decade-old feud, the High Court of Karnataka on Friday ruled that the entire property of Bangalores International Society for Krishna Consciousness (Iskcon) belongs to the Iskcon Mumbai...
PADA: -- Right, so the Karnataka courts of India decided to uphold the Mumbai ISKCON preaching project, which says that Lord Krishna's successors and acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. I am not too impressed! This is not a problem at all, it means our devotees will have to get more solid in their preaching and quit avoiding the real issue, we are not going to worship illicit sex as acharyas, period, even if the court wants us to. We are servants of Krishna and not the courts. ys pd
Amar Puri: Well, all the Iskcon Bangalore Ritvik devotees can become un-cooperative with the Iskcon Bombay management and still continue preaching and adhereing to the Ritvik system in the Bangalore temple as some sort of protest until some new development comes forth. I am sure that Shri Krishna will reveal some new plan. Thanks for sharing, PADA Prabhu.
Lenny Sislac: They excluded religion and simply judged from mundane contracting point of view. But don't panic, if the issue goes to the Supreme Court, things look different. The whole world will become aware of ISKCON Mumbai's false guru graveyard.
Bhakta Balaram: The lower court gave a 350 page verdict explaining why Bangalore folks are the owners of the property. Now the high court has overturned the decision and gave a mere 50 page document explaining the reasons. Bangalore team is not panicked. They have strong faith in Srila Prabhupada and it is actually a fight for his unique position in ISKCON. The Lord is in control and let's see what happens.
Lenny Sislac: ISKCON Mumbai wants to establish that like any other mundane religion to indulge in fighting till everything is destroyed and the karmis peacefully open brothels right next to their temple gate. The government installing toughened secularism. Everybody saw the successful perfomance of the Bangalore Prabhupada devotees. ISKCON Mumbai's only reply: Sh** on their heads.
Randall John: We just got a six week "stay away" order against mumbai (noon here in bangalore Tuesday) ...no way are we going to surrender to GBC's elected gurus. we are family here, Prabhupada is protecting us.
PADA: Well, if a group of devotees went out with a few thousand leaflets saying "Bangalore court rules in favor of homosexual pedophile acharyas project" -- we'd have the people of Bangalore demanding the courts remove those judges in about 24 hours. I just cannot imgaine why we'd be spending 12 years in courts when we can solve this in about 24 hours. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: "stay order" has been rejected. so its finito ... next thing iskcon mumbai will do is to prove that iskcon bangalore had been unlawfully financing other ritvik temple's. so whats plan B?
If madhu pandit hadnt forged the documents ... all this wudnt have happened. all his fault.
Lenny Sislac: "Forged" isn't exactly the right word. The end justifies the means. After all he could manage to do service for Prabhupada from 1997 till now. Without doing what he did they would have kicked him out already 10 years ago. Let's say they really kick him out. After so many years of successful performance ISKCON Bangalore is a legend. Only when it doesn't exist anymore people will realize what they destroyed. Madhu Pandit prabhu should go into exile and just wait. At one point they will arrange for a new temple that is ten times bigger and more beautiful and invite him back.
Bhakta Balaram: Is lower court foolish not to detect the forgery? They gave a detailed report of 350 pages explaining the reason behind their verdict. If this was a clear forgery, why they didn't detect it in the lower court itself? It seems in the high court verdict, some of the startling evidences from Bangalore camp has been completely ignored. There is a definite sense of foul play here. Anyway, Madhu pandit prabhu has only good and sincere intentions for Srila Prabhupada and his movement. I am sure whatever he did has been inspired and fully protected by Srila Prabhupada. On to the supreme court now.
Jennifer Edwards: I was always told that it was iskcon mumbai who started the court thing.. that was a lie.. here are the facts (see iskcon's site):
PADA: Actually Srila Prabhupada wrote a letter to Jayapataka saying that he did not want the temples in India centralized under Mayapura, they should be independent. When that letter was read in court Jayapataka said -- he never saw this letter, he denied Srila Prabhupada ever even wrote that letter. A few days later JPS had a massive stroke and now he needs two people to take him to sit on the pot, and he has a metal wire to hold his mouth open etc. So yes, the GBC side has not only provided changed documents, they are tossing out Srila Prabhupada. Of course even if the courts say that the homosexual messiahs program is bona fide, who cares? We care for Krishna, not the courts. And yes, JPS is already getting karma for all this. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: http://news.iskcon.org/node/1799
PADA: It really does not matter who started what, we are not going to accept the GBC and their kangaroo courts and their idea that acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. Its really that simple. We worship Krishna and not the courts. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: of course we worship krsna.. but now i am annoyed that you lied to me. you said that iskcon mumbai started the case court! and i also find that madhu pandit falsified papers in the beginning. what is this nonsense??? i thought u guys were the good ones.. the perfect followers of Prabhupada! what happened??? i am so confused once again now. what abt the gurukuli abuse story? were you not worshipping courts then? You are messed up, both of you .. iskcon and the ritviks!!! u've been calling them homosexuals etc .. but now the HIGH COURT has proved Madhu pandit a dishonest man! this is official.. not some rantings by an old guy behind his pc. u get me?
PADA: Well Jennifer like I said, they were asked to pay $400,000,000 in court because of the rantings of an old man. Of course $400m is chump change for you? This is official, the people you cite as your authorities lost the case because of my "rantings." Even the courts knew that my idea that child molesters are not messiahs was -- right. The GBC says Krishna's messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and rant all you want, we are not going to accept that idea. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: “There is no legal existence to the Bangalore society. By falsifying accounts, president Madhu Pandit Das has conspired to breathe life into the society.”
PADA: Jennifer, you are defending them by citing them as your authority, ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: I am new to all this. i became attracted to this philosophy and in a few months i got sucked in all this thanks to you.
PADA: You are citing the web site of the people who say gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, why are you attracted to this "philosophy"? ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: You got ur own PADA website as well ... calling them homosexuals. they got their websites and u got urs.. its the same mentality. where is the krsna consciiousness in all that?
PADA: Even dogs are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? Why are you citing the people who are saying Lord Krishna's successors are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: All you guys are doing is criticising each other.
PADA: OK, so worship of illicit sex with men, women and children should not be criticized, that means -- maunam samyam raksati, you are protecting that idea by trying to silence its opponents. Why should we agree with you that worship of illicit sex with men, women and children should not be criticized, we should worship that? Jennifer you are a hoot! ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE RITVIK MOVEMENT! I was better off with christianity. u have seriously put me off prabhupada now. u call urself a prabhupada disciple and all u got on ur mind 24/7 is worship of illicit sex with men, women bla bla bla. ur a disgrace to the ritvik movement. they should hunt you down like they did bin laden!
PADA: OK, but you are the person who is citing the web site of the people who say that acharyas engage in illicit sex with men, women and children? You are the person who brought this all up. You are citing the web site of people who make children molesters into messiahs. You did not ask me about Krishna, you argued with me that I am wrong because I do not listen to the writings of your -- citing -- the site of the illicit sex messiahs web site? You have been citing the web site of the same people who say acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, you said I have to listen to their views, I do not listen to people who worship illicit sex even with children as messiahs, sorry.
Anyway Jennifer, please do go and be a Christian, the Christian's and their -- police, FBI, Federal Marshalls, Media, Rolling Stone magazine writers, CBS Television, Mississippi SWAT team, New Orleans police, Dallas courts, and so on ad infinitum, these good Christians have been my best allies all along, and by putting me under good Christian police protection, they saved me from getting whacked a number times. Yes, you are better off with them, because they have all along been with me, in spades. I worship these Christians as some of my important allies and assistants, they saved my life and they are still helping me in all respects. Krishna sent them to help me, they are also part and pacel of the Supreme God. None of the Christians would ever say that child molesters are messiahs, and none of them would ever cite as their authority your web site which is part of the illicit sex messiah's camp. ys pd
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/163689/iskcon-mumbai-owns-city-arm.html
Iskcon Mumbai owns City arm
http://www.deccanherald.com/
In a verdict that puts an end to a decade-old feud, the High Court of Karnataka on Friday ruled that the entire property of Bangalores International Society for Krishna Consciousness (Iskcon) belongs to the Iskcon Mumbai...
PADA: -- Right, so the Karnataka courts of India decided to uphold the Mumbai ISKCON preaching project, which says that Lord Krishna's successors and acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. I am not too impressed! This is not a problem at all, it means our devotees will have to get more solid in their preaching and quit avoiding the real issue, we are not going to worship illicit sex as acharyas, period, even if the court wants us to. We are servants of Krishna and not the courts. ys pd
Amar Puri: Well, all the Iskcon Bangalore Ritvik devotees can become un-cooperative with the Iskcon Bombay management and still continue preaching and adhereing to the Ritvik system in the Bangalore temple as some sort of protest until some new development comes forth. I am sure that Shri Krishna will reveal some new plan. Thanks for sharing, PADA Prabhu.
Lenny Sislac: They excluded religion and simply judged from mundane contracting point of view. But don't panic, if the issue goes to the Supreme Court, things look different. The whole world will become aware of ISKCON Mumbai's false guru graveyard.
Bhakta Balaram: The lower court gave a 350 page verdict explaining why Bangalore folks are the owners of the property. Now the high court has overturned the decision and gave a mere 50 page document explaining the reasons. Bangalore team is not panicked. They have strong faith in Srila Prabhupada and it is actually a fight for his unique position in ISKCON. The Lord is in control and let's see what happens.
Lenny Sislac: ISKCON Mumbai wants to establish that like any other mundane religion to indulge in fighting till everything is destroyed and the karmis peacefully open brothels right next to their temple gate. The government installing toughened secularism. Everybody saw the successful perfomance of the Bangalore Prabhupada devotees. ISKCON Mumbai's only reply: Sh** on their heads.
Randall John: We just got a six week "stay away" order against mumbai (noon here in bangalore Tuesday) ...no way are we going to surrender to GBC's elected gurus. we are family here, Prabhupada is protecting us.
PADA: Well, if a group of devotees went out with a few thousand leaflets saying "Bangalore court rules in favor of homosexual pedophile acharyas project" -- we'd have the people of Bangalore demanding the courts remove those judges in about 24 hours. I just cannot imgaine why we'd be spending 12 years in courts when we can solve this in about 24 hours. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: "stay order" has been rejected. so its finito ... next thing iskcon mumbai will do is to prove that iskcon bangalore had been unlawfully financing other ritvik temple's. so whats plan B?
If madhu pandit hadnt forged the documents ... all this wudnt have happened. all his fault.
Lenny Sislac: "Forged" isn't exactly the right word. The end justifies the means. After all he could manage to do service for Prabhupada from 1997 till now. Without doing what he did they would have kicked him out already 10 years ago. Let's say they really kick him out. After so many years of successful performance ISKCON Bangalore is a legend. Only when it doesn't exist anymore people will realize what they destroyed. Madhu Pandit prabhu should go into exile and just wait. At one point they will arrange for a new temple that is ten times bigger and more beautiful and invite him back.
Bhakta Balaram: Is lower court foolish not to detect the forgery? They gave a detailed report of 350 pages explaining the reason behind their verdict. If this was a clear forgery, why they didn't detect it in the lower court itself? It seems in the high court verdict, some of the startling evidences from Bangalore camp has been completely ignored. There is a definite sense of foul play here. Anyway, Madhu pandit prabhu has only good and sincere intentions for Srila Prabhupada and his movement. I am sure whatever he did has been inspired and fully protected by Srila Prabhupada. On to the supreme court now.
Jennifer Edwards: I was always told that it was iskcon mumbai who started the court thing.. that was a lie.. here are the facts (see iskcon's site):
PADA: Actually Srila Prabhupada wrote a letter to Jayapataka saying that he did not want the temples in India centralized under Mayapura, they should be independent. When that letter was read in court Jayapataka said -- he never saw this letter, he denied Srila Prabhupada ever even wrote that letter. A few days later JPS had a massive stroke and now he needs two people to take him to sit on the pot, and he has a metal wire to hold his mouth open etc. So yes, the GBC side has not only provided changed documents, they are tossing out Srila Prabhupada. Of course even if the courts say that the homosexual messiahs program is bona fide, who cares? We care for Krishna, not the courts. And yes, JPS is already getting karma for all this. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: http://news.iskcon.org/node/1799
PADA: It really does not matter who started what, we are not going to accept the GBC and their kangaroo courts and their idea that acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. Its really that simple. We worship Krishna and not the courts. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: of course we worship krsna.. but now i am annoyed that you lied to me. you said that iskcon mumbai started the case court! and i also find that madhu pandit falsified papers in the beginning. what is this nonsense??? i thought u guys were the good ones.. the perfect followers of Prabhupada! what happened??? i am so confused once again now. what abt the gurukuli abuse story? were you not worshipping courts then? You are messed up, both of you .. iskcon and the ritviks!!! u've been calling them homosexuals etc .. but now the HIGH COURT has proved Madhu pandit a dishonest man! this is official.. not some rantings by an old guy behind his pc. u get me?
PADA: Well Jennifer like I said, they were asked to pay $400,000,000 in court because of the rantings of an old man. Of course $400m is chump change for you? This is official, the people you cite as your authorities lost the case because of my "rantings." Even the courts knew that my idea that child molesters are not messiahs was -- right. The GBC says Krishna's messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and rant all you want, we are not going to accept that idea. ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: “There is no legal existence to the Bangalore society. By falsifying accounts, president Madhu Pandit Das has conspired to breathe life into the society.”
PADA: Jennifer, you are defending them by citing them as your authority, ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: I am new to all this. i became attracted to this philosophy and in a few months i got sucked in all this thanks to you.
PADA: You are citing the web site of the people who say gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children, why are you attracted to this "philosophy"? ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: You got ur own PADA website as well ... calling them homosexuals. they got their websites and u got urs.. its the same mentality. where is the krsna consciiousness in all that?
PADA: Even dogs are not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? Why are you citing the people who are saying Lord Krishna's successors are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: All you guys are doing is criticising each other.
PADA: OK, so worship of illicit sex with men, women and children should not be criticized, that means -- maunam samyam raksati, you are protecting that idea by trying to silence its opponents. Why should we agree with you that worship of illicit sex with men, women and children should not be criticized, we should worship that? Jennifer you are a hoot! ys pd
Jennifer Edwards: YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE RITVIK MOVEMENT! I was better off with christianity. u have seriously put me off prabhupada now. u call urself a prabhupada disciple and all u got on ur mind 24/7 is worship of illicit sex with men, women bla bla bla. ur a disgrace to the ritvik movement. they should hunt you down like they did bin laden!
PADA: OK, but you are the person who is citing the web site of the people who say that acharyas engage in illicit sex with men, women and children? You are the person who brought this all up. You are citing the web site of people who make children molesters into messiahs. You did not ask me about Krishna, you argued with me that I am wrong because I do not listen to the writings of your -- citing -- the site of the illicit sex messiahs web site? You have been citing the web site of the same people who say acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, you said I have to listen to their views, I do not listen to people who worship illicit sex even with children as messiahs, sorry.
Anyway Jennifer, please do go and be a Christian, the Christian's and their -- police, FBI, Federal Marshalls, Media, Rolling Stone magazine writers, CBS Television, Mississippi SWAT team, New Orleans police, Dallas courts, and so on ad infinitum, these good Christians have been my best allies all along, and by putting me under good Christian police protection, they saved me from getting whacked a number times. Yes, you are better off with them, because they have all along been with me, in spades. I worship these Christians as some of my important allies and assistants, they saved my life and they are still helping me in all respects. Krishna sent them to help me, they are also part and pacel of the Supreme God. None of the Christians would ever say that child molesters are messiahs, and none of them would ever cite as their authority your web site which is part of the illicit sex messiah's camp. ys pd
i read ur above mentioned posts .just because u dont want 2 surrender u speaking all these u want to be like ekalvya (learn without guru).find me a place/community where there r no problems.this world is dukhalayam .u can never find a place without it.r there no problem within HKH ?if u say that if current ISKCON society is wrong .then u r saying that prabhupada is wrong .(prabhupada said ISKCON is my body).everytime u speak in ur post u r comitting vaishnava aparadh.u kno the result ! post a reply
ReplyDeleteThe Present Iskcon Institution has been corrupted by its management who are personally motivated. Srila Prabhupada is not wrong. He gave Iskcon in its purity but the management has polluted it by deviation from its Original Instruction of Srila Prabhupada to best suit their personal agenda. Hope you know and understand it,nave. By the way, you should know and understand that Ekalvya was also very enviously desirous being personally motivated to become one of the best in the Archery like the present personally motivated GBC gurus of all sorts in the present Iskcon. Therefore, you need to know the facts and then only write your comments appropriately, Nave. Hari BOL. AGTSP.
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