Its the same thing -- by Haripada das

Same thing, by Haripada dasa

Today I was reflecting on the difference between practicing Krishna consciousness when Krishna was Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu in His physical form or vapu over 500 years ago, and practicing now, the conclusion is the same, because in reality Sri Gauranga is now here in His vani form in His instruction in the Sri Srisastaka.

It is the Hare Krishna maha - mantra, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, there are the same deities, it the same maha - prasada are the same Scriptures Bhagavad gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Sri Chaitanya the Charitamrita, etc, there are the same Dhamas, Sri Vrindavana, Sri Mayapur, Sri Jagannatha Puri, Sri Ayodhya, etc. 

Then in due time Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu sent HIS SENA PATI, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF SPIRITUAL FORCES, HIS DIVINE GRACE ABHAYA CHARANARAVINDA Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada is the personification of Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita verses that say -- in every town and village in the world people will sing Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare and the shastra VERSES SAY THAT DOES GOOD TO OTHERS, Para-upakāra.

Then Srila Prabhupada informs us in his books, in Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.48, that when the Acharya departs then disorder and thieves and bandits are taking advantage of the situation.

As I understand it Srila Prabhupada is the Acharya for the next 10,000 years through his books and his genuine representatives, who will initiate the devotees in the name of Srila Prabhupada.

And that a person is a disciple of Srila Prabhupada only if one follows the instructions given in the books of Srila Prabhupada, and in this way Srila Prabhupada lives with us. And all those who were initiated by Srila Prabhupada when he was in his physical form or vapu, if they do not follow the instructions given by Srila Prabhupada in his books, they are not disciples of Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada can live with anyone who is sincere (in this connection see The Chaitanya Charitamrita , Madhya lila , 15, 111 ). I am very pleased and happy to see that today many devotees all over the world are deprogramming themselves from the lies and deceit, and they are keen to live the truth and be happy in Krishna consciousness.

And they are serving Srila Prabhupada with faith, love, attachment and gratitude. And I am also very sad to see so many people who are offending Srila Prabhupada in a very serious way. Now there are people full of envy, fear, prejudice and bigotry, and they are paying very severe karmic reactions.

I pray that the Jagat-guru, the savior of the fallen, Saktyāveśa Avatar, MOR PATI SENA, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE SPIRITUAL FORCES OF SRI GAURANGA MAHAPRABHU, HIS DIVINE GRACE ABHAYA CHARANARAVINDA BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA, will bless and protect you all.

OM TAT SAT PEACE AND WELL

Long Term Effects of the Zonal Acharya System (Rocana das)

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-13/editorials10673.htm

[PADA: Unfortunately not only the bogus ISKCON leaders, but many folks like Rocana (and a number of our other God brothers like Rocana) supported the concept that the 11 were appointed as gurus and not as managers, deputies, or ritviks. Rocana keeps saying since 1978 and even today, that if Srila Prabhupada had only appointed these 11 people to act ONLY as ritvik representatives, and not as gurus, he would "not be following the tradition." In other words, people like Rocana empowered and enabled the guru clique. Once these gurus became "absolute authorities," then their reign of terror started in earnest. Rocana has collaborated with these GBC gurus by arguing their apa-siddhanata on their behalf.

Rocana writes papers such as "The Church Of Ritvik," where he repeats Tamal Krishna Goswami's saying that the worship of the acharya Srila Prabhuapada is -- the church idea, like the Christians. Rocana also uses other common bogus GBC guru slogans and arguments such as, we are the posthumous, post samadhi, post mortem worshipers etc. In other words Rocana is the greatest parrot of, and defender of, the GBC's gurus and their main arguments. Whenever Rocana speaks, its almost always something that Tamal was saying in the 1980s. And of course Rocana was supporting them in the 1980s.   

The GBC's gurus also say that our idea is the "church" idea. So if Rocana wanted to defeat the GBC gurus, he would have argued what we are saying, that we really need to worship the pure devotee now. Then Rocana wonders why the GBC gurus are in power, and yet every single day since 1978 Rocana has been their biggest cheer leader, defender, advocate and public legal expert by representing their main arguments against the Prabhupadanugas. 

So Rocana has been one of the main public defenders of the arguments of the GBC's bogus gurus, then he wonders why people are suffering under the reign of -- the GBC gurus? Well because for starters, Rocana is cramming the arguments of these gurus down everyone's throats since 1978, and he is thus forcing and bullying people into accepting the arguments of the molester messiahs project. Rocana is correct however, this is all history, and a day of reckoning will come for all the people who supported the arguments of these GBC gurus, and Rocana will be one of the prominent leading people who will be held accountable for supporting their apa-siddhanta.  

Everyone knew that the GBC had zones all along, so when people like Rocana started to say that the Zonal GBC are also gurus, that started the Zonal Guru out cropping. Therefore, people like Rocana helped create and support the Zonal Guru program from square one. 

So it has been the Rocana types and the GBC combinedly who first concocted the idea that these Zonal GBC are gurus. This is why Rocana keeps saying -- the ritvik idea  -- i.e. that the Zonal GBC have NOT been appointed as gurus, but only as proxies for the acharya -- is bogus, and Rocana says we need to worship a living person because that is the tradition. That is exactly what the bogus GBC gurus say as well. Rocana argues for the GBC gurus by repeating them, then he wonders aloud why there has been so much chaos, when Rocana is one of the leaders of the arguments of the creators of the chaos. 

And Rocana was part of the 1986 "50 man committee" to reform these gurus, but there is no such thing as a guru who needs to be reformed and corrected by a committee? Meanwhile we said they are not zonal, they are not going to be reformed gurus, they are not gurus. Period. Of course their big splash 1986 reform was, they reinstated Bhavananda and simultaneously voted in folks like Danavir. Danavir has a nice homosexual pedophile guru recoronation ceremony certification, and then he wonders why there are troubles in ISKCON as well? Maybe its because he is certified as a guru by the same people who certify known homosexual pedophiles as their messiahs?]  

ROCANA: It was about a year later when Pradyumna, who was serving with Yasodanandana das at the Vrindavan gurukula, raised his concerns about the Zonal Acarya System. It was Yasodanandana and Gurukrpa's party that had collected the money to build the gurukula, which at the time was functioning in the spirit and mood Srila Prabhupada intended for the gurukulas.

I've written a number of times about the story that unfolded. Basically, Yasodanandana and Pradyumna wrote a paper challenging the Zonal Acaryas -- not challenging their concocted philosophy, but simply the degree of opulence and the glorification they were taking, with the big vyasasans and so forth.

[PADA: Right, if there had not been such opulent pooja for these 11, then they would have been simply been acting more or less as "officiators on behalf of the acharya" (ritviks). So the idea of reducing their worship and stature was somewhat along the lines of the ritvik idea, they were only proxies, and not full fledged acharyas. So Pradyumna and Yasodananda had at least the correct initial notion -- that the 11 were telescoping their status way beyond what had been actually ordered by Srila Prabhupada. That is a de facto ritvik idea, they were maybe at best priests, but not acharyas. The real worship should be for the acharya Srila Prabhupada.] 

ROCANA: They presented their paper to the GBC, and as history tells it, they were both promptly thrown out of the movement. This came as a great shock to all the devotees, especially senior leaders like the temple presidents, who knew these individuals very well. It was just an amazing shock to see that the Zonal Acaryas would go this far.

[PADA: They also kicked us out about the same time for protesting Jayatirtha's antics.]

ROCANA: And although a great deal of time has now passed, still the repercussions of this event are not being properly articulated. Personally, I think Pradyumna's son is just another of the many examples of the ramifications of this action on part of the GBC leaders. You can only imagine what it would be like for a young child whose father was a great pandit, one of the closest associates of Srila Prabhupada during his lila, who everybody in the movement knew and respected.

One minute you're in that position, and in the next moment your father is being unceremoniously thrown out of the movement. And the family was given nothing, absolutely nothing. They threw Pradyumna out with nothing. He had no real education, no resume, no way to easily re-establish himself. He and his family were abruptly forced out of the association of devotees… out of the society that he not only deserved to be in, but deserved to be in as much if not more than the people who threw him out.

[PADA: Right, Danavir keeps saying he needs to find people who are able to chant their rounds to be his gurus, but Pradyumna was doing more regular daily pooja and chanting every day -- than any of the eleven gurus could even dream of doing. And so were Yasodananda and other scholars like them. So the GBC and Danavir's idea was, lets kick out all the people who are doing the actual chanting and poojas, and replace them with people who are not doing the chanting, and lets call our non-chanting sabha -- gurus. 

So the sadhana and scholarly types were being purged out, and the managerial / goonda types were being given bigger posts. That is what Pol Pot, Stalin, and other dictators do, they remove the intellectuals. And that is what the GBC and Danavir types did as well. And now Danavir complains that his program of removing the chanting scholars and replacing them with his idea of gurus, ok people like Satsvarupa, is a problem. Satsvarupa writes that he watches football games, and has lived in Howard Johnson Hotels etc., this means, Danavir's gurus cannot even chant their rounds and so on. Well why did they remove the scholars and chanters then?]    

ROCANA: I don't know Aniruddha, and didn't know him as a boy, but I had a somewhat similar circumstance in my own life with my daughter. It seriously impacted my relationship with my wife, who took our daughter out of the movement. And in her own way, my daughter has seriously impacted ISKCON -- another story I've told on several occasions. There are many such stories, and there are many ramifications to ISKCON as a result.

[PADA: Correct, when these children end up rejecting the religion, or just plain going crazy, due to the complete breakdown of their society and it religion, that is actually the collective karma of the entire group of devotees for allowing this situation to develop -- and to continue. Its called "empowering and enabling." 

In politics, a dysfunctional society is called "a failed state." It generally means -- there is no longer any fabric to the society, its lawless chaos. And in that situation, the women and children generally have no protection and shelter, and so they often become victimized, as many of the children did in the post-1978 "gurukulas." And the few of us who pointed out the abusive program were beaten with shoes all along, and we still are. There are still groups of people who say that our pointing out the victimizing of children "creates bad publicity."] 

ROCANA: When he was ejected, Yasodanandana was so devastated that within a few years he came up with the Rtvik philosophy. Now how much of a serious impact has that had on ISKCON, continuing on to this very day? And he didn't get thrown out for preaching anything even close to Rtvik-ism at the time, with Pradyumna.

[PADA: Well its having a huge impact, since the GBC, Gaudiya Matha and Rocana das are always discussing the ritviks, and almost nothing else? Some GBC goondas are EVEN TODAY trying to hack our sites like Prabhupadanugas eu and Prabhupadavision etc. So yes, we are making a huge wave and they know it.]

ROCANA: I don't know the details of Pradyumna's family story. I can only sympathize with he and his wife and with his son, who has gone crazy. But I personally think that the situation just described must have significantly contributed to whatever mental instability Aniruddha is experiencing today. Of course there's a degree of speculation, but there's also obviously a connection between these events in Aniruddha's life.
But no one seems to be able to piece together history here, and put the blame where it should be put.

[PADA: This is a good point. There are some very dysfunctional ex-gurukulis. Some of them have had a terrible time with drugs, illicit sex parties, and an inability to function normally in society. Some of them have been feeling suicidal, as Jvalamukhi pointed out. That means the "devotee society" as a whole has not given them training, shelter and ongoing support. Some of them are even today more or less homeless, as one devotee told us recently. In sum, they have no shelter in ISKCON, the religion of their parents. 

Basically the GBC gurus used photos of the kulis as a means of "showing off" to the life members to collect funds. Many of the kulis thus felt used and abused, because they were. So the combination of not getting a proper education, not getting support from the leaders, and a huge abuse program, has lead many kulis to depression, desperation, and dysfunction. If not sometimes madness. No kidding. Of course anyone who helps the children like we did will then be attacked for "creating a bad image." So there is an effort to make sure that these ex-children are not supported, at all. These people are also part of the cause of the suicides and so forth.]   

ROCANA: The leaders of ISKCON helped to create this mess. They contributed to it significantly, by causing the traumatic upheaval in young Aniruddha's life. And they created similar turmoil in the lives of thousands of prabhus: Pradyumna's, Yasodanandana's, mine, just to mention the few names right here in this article.

[PADA: Right, that is the history, anyone who did not support their worship of illicit sex and drugs messiahs like Jayatirtha, was removed.]  

ROCANA: At the time Pradyumna was thrown out, it was generally understood that it happened because he had written his letter to the godbrothers, suggesting that they tone down their self-glorification -- that it wasn't Vedic, it wasn't traditional, and it was causing all sorts of problems. Which was all true. But it eventually came to light, that this was not the whole story.

[PADA: Right, poor Aniruddha was kicked out when his parents were kicked out, and that must have been very traumatic and de-stabilizing for him. He suddenly lost connections to his childhood friends and was viewed as an outcast, or pariah, for having a dissenter for a father.]

ROCANA: One of the most vociferously outspoken opponents of Pradyumna at the time was Hridayananda. Hridayananda went after Pradyumna tooth and nail, and he was the leader who contributed most directly to getting him thrown out. It was well known in those circles that Pradyumna had been empowered and instructed by Srila Prabhupada to finish the Srimad Bhagavatam if Srila Prabhupada departed. But Hridayananda wanted that position. He was envious of Pradyumna, who was a householder. And at that time, one cannot even imagine the sannyasi elitism that was taking place in ISKCON. This was going on before Srila Prabhupada left, and it was amplified after his departure. In fact, any householder who was a Zonal Acarya had to become a sannyasi if he wanted to be part of the inside group.

Hridayananda knew right away that whoever wrote the last cantos was going to be glorified even more, and he needed that boost because he was not satisfied with being in South America. He thought it was an inferior zone compared to North America, India and Europe, so he needed a reason to essentially abandon the zone. He would maintain himself as a Zonal Acarya down there, and accept the glorification and the disciples that were generated, but after he had dispatched with Pradyumna, he used the excuse that he needed to go to Florida, and to live in an opulent circumstance in Miami, ostensibly so he could finish the Srimad Bhagavatam.

As I see it, these facts are still very relevant, even forty years later. The impact of all this taking place could rightly be brought up in ISKCON as often as the Holocaust is brought up again and again by the European Jews.

[PADA: This is something we agree on with Rocana, we have to use the slogan the Jews use, "never again."]

ROCANA: And this Zonal Acarya system, to a certain degree, is still in operation. Krsna had to take care of most of the Zonal Acaryas, because the GBC never would. Jayapataka Swami, who is now greatly incapacitated, is one of the last survivors, but their successors are still carrying on. I've written several articles about thePrinces of the Zonal Acarya Kings who are now in power, and who are propagating the same contaminated mentality and philosophy the original Zonal Acaryas did.

And some of them are now coming back. Just recently Ramesvara, one of the biggest culprits from the Zonal Acarya era, began to make his comeback. Everyone is trying to make a comeback these days… writing books and being invited to festivals. In a sense, their role during the Zonal Acarya era was that they were like the Gestapo. But instead of being hunted down and brought to justice, these rascals are coming back for a glorious encore, and are being warmly received by all the sentimental devotees who have chosen to remain blind to the real history.

But we need to understand history as it actually took place. So many devotees instead believe the myths that have been created about our ISKCON past, and on that basis so many problems have never been resolved in the society, and so many devotees have been damaged as a result.

People will not come to grips with the reality that incidents such as the one unfolding with Pradyumna's son are current day manifestations of the earlier problems. Obviously Aniruddha is someone who is mentally disturbed, but still, the symptoms are there, and their connection to the earlier traumas can be seen. The fact is that because people refuse to see history as it really took place, they cannot see circumstances today for what they are. Everyone who does this is suffering, and the Sankirtan Movement is being derailed as a result.

[PADA: This is the first problem we have when dealing with people, they keep trying to re-write history.
Rocana has all along been the main defender of the GBC's bogus and Zonal gurus, because he argues just like them, the ritviks are a church idea, the ritviks worship the post mortem dead person, the ritviks are not in the tradition, the ritviks say you can read the books of a dead person and be liberated, and so on and so forth. Then Rocana wonders why there is banning, beating, molesting and murders? Because of you Rocana, you are supporting their idiot theology since 1978. You are the cause of this chaos Rocana, along with our many other God brothers who have supported this regime's apa-theology.

Rocana is one of them in apa-siddhanta, and history will show that -- and is showing that. Of course there are higher authorities that Rocana will have to contend with for his supporting the apa-siddanta of the homosexual pedophile messiahs and using their arguments. Using their arguments means, he has accepted them as his authority.

Of course there are other history re-writers, Purajana did not bring out the poison issue, sorry he did. Puranjana was not generating interest in the changed books in his newsletter, which lead to a lawsuit to get original books. Sorry, he did mention that issue and did get support for that issue. And so on. Then again these people like Prahlad are working with Bhakta das to re-establish the worship of Radhanath, so they are simply another version of Rocana. 

They claim to be Prabhupadnaugas but then they support the homosexual and pedophile GBC's guru's program's biggest defenders like Bhakta das. Then they wonder why people like poor Aniruddha are going crazy, because of them and their supporting the molester pooja folks, and this is making poor Aniruddha types feel hopeless and helpless. Aniruddha is feeling that the molester messiahs program is evil, and then Bhakta das and his disciples like Prahlad are promoting the main leaders of the molester messiahs program. Its making some folks feel like there is no hope. Of course people like us never give up hope because, the molester messiahs program is going down. Bhakta das and his disciples like Prahlad can try to revive it, but its going down, period.

In any case poor Aniruddha's life has been changed forever now. After threatening a congress woman with chopping her head off, he may never recover his actual life back again. And he may not be able to get a stable living situation going again. He will most likely have a hard time getting a job, renting a place to live etc., because his story has pervaded the media so intensely, he is like a marked person and so on. He will have a really bad public image as a person who cannot be trusted, and maybe, as a dangerous person etc. Its very hard to recover from that. So he sort of went from the frying pan into the fire, he has made his situation much worse to resolve. 

But really, what he did was like a cry for help.

The problem is, where is the help? The ISKCON society has no substantial outreach program for people in trouble like this. So all we can do is pray for these victims and hope they can get some relief from somewhere, but it will not come from the GBC, or their public defenders like Rocana, or the Prahlad people who want to help Bhakta revive their pedophile messiahs program. 

Our neighbor is a nice middle-aged woman who goes to church four times a week and she is incredibly pious, she has a nice altar in her home with Mary, Jesus etc. She is a hundred times more sane than any of these people, or all of them put together. She knows the acharya is never postmortem and etc., so she does have shelter, and therefore her and people like her are -- never going crazy. They have shelter. 

And that is what we need to give people, or they will not participate, and worse, they might even no longer be sane and they can be a danger to themselves and others. That is what happened to Sanat (Mukunda's writer and pal). He went to the Social Security office and said, "I have been a Hare Krishna for 10 years, there fore I am a mad man and I need social security payment for being mad." And they gave it to him. 

So this is the result of the GBC guru program, its making people go mad. When we called up the Angelica police to say that Sanat / Mukunda were saying that they wanted to have the ISKCON children killed, chopped up and fed to dogs, the police said to us, "Yeah we know all about that guy, he is the biggest nut-bag in town. Everyone in town keeps an eye on him because we all know he is a total mad man. He is one of our local trouble makers and we have to sort him out on a regular basis." So Sanat is like another version of Aniruddha, he has the public image of being a mad fool and he even reported to the SSI that he is in fact a mad fool.    

The good news is that in Vancouver our ritvik program is doing great. This begs the question, will Rocana help our program there, since he lives there? ys pd] 

Here is the latest psycho-art from Danavir's Boston messiah:

I painted in the basement.

I finished a picture of a man
writing a poem on a yellow paper.
Behind him was a White Muse
hitting him with red bolts
of inspiration.
On the yellow page I wrote these words:
“I dreamt I wanted my vocation
as a poet. I wrote down some of the
details of the dream and here I am with my pen.”
A little further down I wrote the following:
“A poem should be useful.
One-to-one with the reader
in his or her lonely hour.”

Free E-books by Srila Prabhupada (and some have audio downloads)

http://www.krishnapath.org/free-ebooks-audiobooks-of-srila-prabhupada/

Danavir Admits His "Practice Gurus" -- Are NOT Even Practicing?

WHAT SHOULD A GURU DO IN THE MORNING?

By His Holiness Danavir Goswami

Looking back to 1987, I remember trying my best to counsel several weeping ISKCON Vaisnavas when they learned that their guru had just defaulted his position. Their guru was previously a dynamic, conquering hero who shone like fire through preaching, making disciples, and leading the sankirtan movement.

Yet, those weeping Vaisnavas sitting in my office would have traded all the joy they shared with him during the victories just to have him remain their own spiritually-healthy guru. These devotees had surrendered their young and capable lives to Lord Krishna, but now they grieved because their guru was careless in following his own guru’s instructions.

[PADA: Srila Prabhupada says the first qualification of a guru is -- he must be a resident of Krishna Loka. Notice that Danavir says that his "residents of Krishna Loka guru" are always falling down into illicit sex, drugs and etc.]

DANAVIR: This paper suggests one major safeguard which will definitely help to avert future calamities.

[PADA: Worse, Danavir says these residents of Krishna loka gurus are -- causing calamities? (A) The guru is a resident of Krishna Loka therefore (B) he falls down into illicit sex and causes calamities for others?]

WHAT SHOULD A GURU DO IN THE MORNING?

It is my contention that an ISKCON guru must fully participate in the temple morning program each day lest he disqualifies himself to be a guru. 

[PADA: A guru has to perform the sadhana practices, or else he forgets Krishna? No, a resident of Krishna loka guru sees Krishna 24 hours a day, he is in spontaneous love of God. He does not need to "practice" thinking of God, he is already thinking of Krishna at all times? Danavir says, the residents of Krishna loka need to perform the "practicing of bhakti" program. Where is this stated?

A person who is "practicing" the topic is called a neophyte, he has not yet mastered the topic? How can a person be a neophyte who is "practicing" science experiments in High School, and ALSO be considered as a fully finished PHD chemist at the same time? This makes no sense, he is a practicing High School student, therefore he should be considered as a PHD? Srila Prabhupada says when the neophyte student poses as a finished professor, this is called imitation of pure devotees (sahajiya).] 

DANAVIR: Of course there may be exceptions such as an emergency or a serious illness but if he can walk (or be carried), talk and honor prasadam, he should be shining like a beacon at the morning program. During his last visit to the West in September of 1977, Srila Prabhupada personally came to the morning program every day while he stayed at the Manor. If ever a guru had a valid excuse for not attending the morning program it was then, yet he underwent the inconvenience to set an example.

[PADA: Most of the GBC gurus have been living in separate and opulent facilities all along. And very often, they do not attend anything. Bhagavan was living in a four star hotel. Satsvarupa was staying at Howard Johnsons. Hrdayananda even now has an apartment near Venice Beach. Jayatirtha, Tamal, Hansadutta and others had their own separate houses. Where are these gurus? We also rarely or never see them at college preaching programs, doing harinama etc. either. Yes, good point, we almost never see Danavir's guru even doing any practices? When are they going to start?]

DANAVIR: A synonym for the word guru is acarya which means one who teaches by example. Guru means preacher and preacher means acarya— acara pracara.iii A devotee who executes sadhana bhakti carefully for many years may be allowed to accept disciples. 

[PADA: No, Srila Prabhupada says the sadhakas are not even allowed to have people touch their feet, or else they will be acting as gurus and absorbing the sins of others.] 

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/03/gbc-accepting-sins-is-not-authorized.html

DANAVIR: A main qualification for one’s becoming a guru in the first place was his strict adherance to the practices defined by his spiritual master.

[PADA: This is a contradiction, he is a student who has to practice, therefore he is a finished PHD professor?]

DANAVIR: After some time however if that devotee, now guiding disciples, relaxes his sadhana due to "being advanced," or to "preaching," or some other reason, is it not a fly in the ointment? Unable to maintain the standard after accepting disciples, he should either immediately rectify the situation or in our humble opinion, discontinue accepting more disciples until he is able to recover. Meticulous attendence at the morning program is required for devotees living in an ISKCON temple, and it is a prerequisite for receiving brahminical initiation, why then should it not apply for gurus?

[PADA: The guru is a person who falls down, and then has to recover? No, a neophyte falls down and has to recover. Of course the first problem is, as soon as we say their gurus are falling, the disciples want to ban, beat and kill us for "offending the guru." We cannot challenge "the guru" without facing potential violence, as has occurred often in ISKCON, thanks to Danavir creating vicious bogus guru cults.]  

GURU AS MADHYAMA ADHIKARI

Why must an advanced teacher clock in, so to speak, for temple services and rudimentary classes?

1) Because our spiritual master has ordered us to attend the morning program.
2) Because this is the standard spiritual practice since time immemorial.
3) Because gurus, i.e. acaryas, teach by their personal example.

[PADA: An advanced math teacher has to practice adding 2 + 2, or else he will forget that? Again, makes no sense, even in the mundane world the advanced math teachers do not have to practice kindergarten math over and over, or else he will forget it?]  

Danavir: Because due to so many guru falldowns, faith is low and needs to be improved. Seeing gurus at morning programs definitely enhances the faith of the devotees.

[PADA: Faith is low? No kidding, every six months there is another big guru scandal ever since 1978. Even Badrinarayan das wrote that unless they can fix their falling down guru program, no one is going to accept their guru process any more. The problem is, we are not supposed to have faith that a neophyte can act as an acharya.]

Danavir: Because we may not have yet attained the highest stage of a paramahamsa. Because even if one is a paramahamsa, he voluntarily acts on the level of madhyama adhikari for preaching purposes.

[PADA: So why are you advertising neophytes who are practicing, as paramahamsas? As for Madhyama, that is the platform of anartha nrvritti (freedom from material anarthas). These GBC gurus have definately not come to that platform either.] 

DANAVIR: Whatever action a guru performs…the disciples perform. Where gurus don’t attend, it should come as no surprise that disciples don’t either. One senior God brother recently confided in me that in his opinion the single most important way to improve ISKCON would be to make sure that all of the leaders were exemplary in their devotional practices especially in attending the morning program. A guru who does not attend morning temple programs is super-conspicuous by his absense. Conversely, when the guru is there, more of his sisyas will be there.

[PADA: And when the guru is having illicit sex and is taking drugs, so will the sisyas, and that is why we have so many of these troubles in and around ISKCON.] 

WHEN THE CONCHSHELL BLOWS

If gurus don’t attend mangala arati it sends out a signal as loud as the conchshell that there are other more important things to do at four thirty in the morning than attending mangala arati. Younger devotees will think that later when they mature, they too can do more important things at that time of the day. A guru must know that staying up late at night can be a mortal enemy of mangala arati.

[PADA: Notice how Danavir contradicts himself. He says his gurus are practicing neophytes, then he says, but they are not even performing the practices? So his gurus are practicing neophytes, but they are not even practicing the standards of neophyte behavior, so -- they are not even practicing? That means Danavir is admitting many of his gurus are dead beats who are not even up to the level of practicing neophytes.]

DANAVIR: The person explained that he wasn’t referring to those seminars, he meant other types of seminars and workshops. I expressed that it seemed presumptuous to promote extra seminars while slighting the ones established by our spiritual master.

[PADA: Right, the GBC's seminars on how to treat their gurus who are falling down and then being suspended, censured, removed -- all of these things are concoctions -- its just plain rubbish, this is never done in our parampara.] 

ROCK-BOTTOM

Q. Does every guru in ISKCON have to chant sixteen rounds daily?
A. Yes, it is considered one of the qualifications of a guru.

[PADA: Then why are so many of these gurus allowed to live in separate residences away from the temples, or to live in four star hotels, or to be simply absent from the temples for years together in many cases? Here in Berkeley some of Savarupa Damodar's disciples started a pot smoking club because, he almost never visited them. Where are these gurus is simply another question?]


DANAVIR: Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore stated that the spiritual master who plays the part of Krsna’s representative has to consume all the sinful reactions of his disciple. Sometimes a spiritual master takes the risk of being overwhelmed by the sinful reactions of the disciples and undergoes a sort of tribulation due to their acceptance. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu therefore advised that one not accept many disciples. (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.21.31 Purport)

[PADA: Correct, this is one reason these gurus keep falling down and getting sick, they are not authorized to take sins.]

DANAVIR: A guru who does not attend the morning program scrupulously, may already be exhibiting effects of being overwhelmed. He can defer from initiating for some time while he concentates on his own sadhana and that of his already initiated disciples. We are not commenting here upon a devotee’s value, preaching ability, or spiritual advancement, instead we are suggesting that if one does not perform the functions of a guru either by choice or due to factors beyond his control, then he should not accept the post of taking formal disciples.

Thank you very much. Hare Krishna.

[PADA: Except its up to the GBC to not make these false gurus in the first place? A fallen person acting as a messiah may not resign voluntarily, and they can drag on for decades in a fallen position and still be the worshiped guru, because the GBC often fails to reign in their bogus gurus. In fact when the GBC sometimes finds out their gurus are engaged in illicit sex, they have even reinstated them back as gurus. The problem is that gurus are not managed by a committee in the first place, and Danavir thinks they are. ys pd]

[PADA NOTE: Danavir has already established that his gurus are insane people:]

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/06/danavirs-messiahs-are-insane-psychotic.html

Danavir: Harikesa dasa experienced symptoms of neuroses both in his life before coming to Krsna consciousness as well as occasionally within his devotional service. These states took the shape of manic, hyperactive work, followed by depression and paranoia. Severe psychological disorders that involve a marked split with reality, such as genuinely thinking oneself to be someone he is not, are symptoms of psychosis. 

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Updates from ISKCON Bangalore Site 09/14/13

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“Don’t forget to feed me.”

Jagadatri: The implication of what I was doing began to dawn on me, and I blurted out, “Srila Prabhupada, how am I going to remember you and surrender to you for the rest of my life?” Prabhupada was quiet for a second, but he liked that question. He chuckled and said, “If you chant sixteen rounds a day and follow the four principles, you’ll remember me and you’ll surrender to me.” Then he paused a moment, laughed again and said, “And don’t forget to feed me.”

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Another Devotee Is Liberated from GBC's Guru Project

Srila Prabhupada is my master ....

From Anondasi: Very Good. I was warned in the very beginning of my Krishna consciousness by a very nice Prabhupada disciple. But he was not in the country that I lived and I had no other association but for those who lived in the temple. 

And I got drawn into the popular understanding that they all where taught. Though that devotees warning was always in my mind. Out of peer pressure I accepted a (GBC) guru without full faith in them. It did not take long for me to realize I was so much better off before that. I got no answers I was looking for. 

I finally moved away from my local temple and found confirmation in what I originally was told on fb years back and now I feel happy to have a few close devotees to associate with here. Krishna is so kind. 

Yes Krishna gives them what they are looking for. 

I wanted the Absolute truth and the best master....Jaya! All glories to Srila Prabhupada

[NOTE: -- PADA does not always post the names of authors of postings, due to potential untoward GBC guru clone repercussions they may have to endure. We will post names of people who send us material and volunteer to go public and want to have their names posted. ys pd.]

More Devotees Object to Book Changes

http://arsaprayoga.wordpress.com/about/

Partial List of Prabhupadanuga centers

http://prabhupadanuga-seva.org/#/directory/4579162542

Prabhupadanuga Progress Report -- September 2013

Srila Prabhupada 1976, Aindra prabhu is on the left in orange

PADA: The fact that the GBC's goondas have had to hack the Prabhupadanugas.eu and Prabhupadavision web sites is actually a good sign, it means they cannot counter our Prabhupadanuga program. Meanwhile our Krishna1008 blog is getting a record number of hits, going up each month. As we told one devotee recently, even if we said nothing ever again, too many people already know about what we have said.

Their hacking attempts means -- we are having a major impact on their program. It also means, they are getting pretty desperate. How much "success" can they claim by getting a few web sites temporarily hacked, which will then probably be up and running again anyway? Clearly, we are cleaning their clocks. No doubt their people read our sites and then come back to the leaders with questions etc. That means overall our program is gaining steam. We are always getting private messages from people -- on a regular basis -- who are saying the Prabhupadanugas are right, and they are rejecting the GBC gurus. So we are taking over, albeit very slowly.

Unfortunately, it sometimes takes a major ISKCON shakedown / scandal to wake some of the people up in ISKCON. A lot of people have heard about "other scandals," -- but unless the problem affects them directly, they tend to coast along hoping that "the next big problem" will not occur to them personally. Except that after awhile -- everyone eventually becomes swept up and affected by some form or other -- of major GBC guru's mis-managing. The basic problems appears to be -- sentimentalism, good ole boys network-ism, apathy, a general lack of desire to "rock the boat" and so forth.

And so it is with the latest "bad news" from Mayapura, at least two people have wrote to us privately to tell us they are "pulling out" their support for the GBC's guru program, and they are agreeing with our proposal to focus on Srila Prabhupada. Why? Because they see how badly some of these GBC guru folks are behaving. So now they are finally interested in our Prabhupadanuga idea.

Quite honestly, some of these people are so mortified at the GBC goonda-ism, they are telling all their friends to boycott Mayapura. Mayapura is supposed to be the GBC guru's main headquarters, so if this program is more and more being seen as a dangerous criminal outpost, there is really not much else the GBC gurus can forward as their "big success" story.

Mayapura was supposed to be the crown jewel of their program, and its looking more and more like a worthless piece of plastic, or maybe a dangerous place you'd rather want to avoid.They really do not have any other big program to advertise, so if Mayapura's image goes down, and it is, they have no back up "better program." All this helps our argument that they are not doing a good job.

And recently some other people told us the same thing, just after the Mahanidhi meltdown, they are going to follow our Prabhupadanuga idea. And some other people told us the same exact thing after the Prabhavishnu meltdown, they are now going to follow our Prabhupadanuga idea, and so on. In other words, we keep gaining a few people here -- and a few people there, and in this way we are gradually winning. However, it seems to take a major shake down to develop before some people take a lot of interest in what we are doing.

This has been going on for years actually, and has been a pattern all along. For example, even at the start of all this around 1980, we told Sulochana das he should NOT take his family to New Vrndavana. We warned him: this is a bad place to go to and live. We even said to him, you are walking straight into the GBC guru's lions den over there.

Yet Sulochana das thought that there was "no big problem" at New Vrndavana, and that we were "exaggerating things out of proportion." After Sulochana das was there for about two years, he mailed us a tape recording of Kirtanananda swami saying that Jayatirtha's fall down was only "the maya Jayatirtha, just like there is a maya Sita" and "the real Jayatirtha" is actually fully engaged purely in Krishna's service. Therefore, Kirtanananda said -- no one should be alarmed or concerned about these issues.

And so Sulochana das wrote to us to say that he agreed with the maya Sita explanation, and therefore these issues are not a very big concern, thus we are wasting our time being too critical and so forth. Better idea is to just "go along with the (GBC's guru) program."

However, we were very alarmed by this distorted preaching and so we wrote back to Sulochana das, this is not a very good development at all, this means the leaders are trying to bluff, cheat and artificially justify the fall downs of their alleged ACHARYAS. Worse, they are invoking the name of Mother Sita to drag into their debauchee's guru program. So we wrote back to Sulochana, you have to leave there immediately, this is a dangerous situation, because these people have some serious misunderstanding of the siddhanta. He did not reply, and he stayed there.

Then, a few years later -- Sulochana das's children were physically kidnapped at gunpoint by Kirtanananda's thugs, so he called us right away in Berkeley and he said, "I am going to start to work with you to expose these people, you are right, they are a bunch of crooks." In other words, he needed a direct personal "bad experience" before he would take action against these false gurus. And the list of people who waited until some sort of stink bomb dropped in their laps before they rejected the GBC gurus is almost endless.

Of course, Sulochana did become a major headache for the GBC's gurus once he was determined to go after them, and he deserves considerable credit for giving his life to oppose them. And many other people who got burnt have also joined our efforts, and that process is still going on, people are getting burnt, and then joining our idea. That process is still going on today.

We recall buying food and clothes for Sulochana, and giving him money to print his booklets, because he was basically waging his war without any job or income. Thus, for some of us its a big effort to fight these gurus, especially when others are not helping that much, and this too discourages other fighters from joining. Basically, apart from us, hardly no one was supporting Sulochana das's campaign. The people he was associated with in Los Angeles just before he departed were not really big fans of his work, and they did very little to support him, although some of them had a little sympathy for his program. So nowadays at least we have some sort of rag-tag group of rebels, and we are therefore able to offer some help and hope to each other.

Anyway, as one devotee said to us, being with (current) Krishna devotees is like being in a house that is on fire -- and most of the people in the house are sitting in their easy chair doing nothing -- until the fire starts burning their own feet. Only then do they suddenly jump up, take notice, and start to complain about the fire. They sit around and keep seeing others getting burnt, for years and years together, but that is not THEIR problem. Its only a problem when they get burnt personally. In the meantime, the ISKCON house is gradually burning to the ground, and there is hardly anyone left in the burnt out shell of the house.

So its sort of like, picking off one person at a time until there are no persons -- left? This also happens in the horror movies. There is a group of college kids that goes camping in a remote cabin, and then after awhile they say, hey where is Joey? Later, where is Sandra? Later, has anyone seen Fred? Finally, there is only one guy left and he is in danger of disappearing due to some horrible monster etc.

MORAL of the story? If they had all pooled all their energies together in the first instance, when the first person disappeared, they might have saved themselves. Otherwise, they are getting picked off one by one. This is basically what happened in ISKCON, one person disappeared at a time, and no one noticed until it was basically -- too late. So now we are dealing mainly with the refugees from that situation, although clearly many people even inside corporate ISKCON are also reading our materials.  

And thus people keep asking us, "is this apathy? A lack of empathy for others"?

And we have to reply, "not sure what it is"?

We also tried to get a hold of Chatur Bahu das when we heard he was opposing the gurus, but he thought "I do not need to work with others, I will meet the leaders in private and challenge them." As soon as we heard he was going to meet the leaders in private to complain, we tried to get a hold of him to warn him -- this is very dangerous. That is what Taru did, and he was killed.

Then Chatur Bahu was murdered, and the police thought it was an inside job. In other words, Chatur Bahu failed to understand what kind of trouble the GBC gurus really are. Until it was too late. And this has happened no doubt to others, they tried to address problems without realizing how to go about that process safely, and so they were hurt or killed. This meantime discourages others from opposing, because it's the so-called "Monkey On A Stick" effect, a warning to others -- not to oppose the regime. A lot of devotees have criticized our approach of going to the police, media and outside authorities, ok but we are alive and a number of the people who did not do that, are not alive?

At this point however, there is not that much fear of the regime. Unless we are at their headquarters in Mayapura, or maybe at some other remote places that they control, there is not much they can do anymore to "strike fear" into their opponents. The GBC gurus are losing credibility as a force to be feared and respected, so every day -- more of the little peons are rejecting and challenging. These are great developments.

The problem with our rebel groups however, is that they tend to be disorganized and sometimes they will fight each other. Look at Afghanistan's rebel infighting. That has been a problem with the ISKCON rebels as well. At the same time, we are still making good progress overall because our idea simply makes sense, we need to worship the pure devotee. Its sort of going forward -- in spite -- of all the problems of moving it along.

The Catholic Church also got to a point where it was so very corrupt, the common people started to branch out and create a "reform" based on the idea that we can worship the guru "Lord Jesus" directly, and there is no need for a "living spokesman of God" aka the Pope. Their reform took centuries to develop however. It was only when people finally got totally fed up with the abuses from these Popes that people gradually said, we have had enough, we are going to worship Lord Jesus. This same identical process is also going on in ISKCON gradually, but a whole heck of a lot faster than occurred in the Catholic Church.

All considered then, our ISKCON reform is doing pretty good. Instead of having to wait for centuries, we are getting people to worship the pure devotee now. Our reformation is going ahead, despite all the problems, its still progressing. And our reform seems to be accelerating this year, we have had many problems going on with these gurus that has discouraged people from remaining loyal to them, and has encouraged more folks to consider our proposals. And it seems more people are saying, hey aren't these gurus a little bit evil, maybe even demoniac, or even, aren't these gurus like Kali Yuga personified? Yep, people are getting more doubtful about their position, and they are thus taking a look at our position. This is all good news! Jaya! ys pd

News From Nadia (update on Mayapura story)

http://newsfromnadia.com/index.php/news-reader/items/miscreants-hacked-argentine-national-at-iskcon-mayapur.html

Is Jayapataka's Mayapura "A Spiritual City," or "A Material Residence for Thugs and Gangsters"?

[PADA: No, we are not saying people should boycott Mayapura, necessarily. We are saying there has been a series of problems there, and people should not go there blindly thinking this is a totally Vaikuntha atmosphere. Its a remote place, and it seems it would be a hard place to find help if you needed it, since the locals are basically paid off.

Vrndavana is probably just as bad, except its much closer to other big cities and so its harder to get away with too many bad things there. Srila Prabhupada also told us he does not know why he brings us to Vrndavana when there are so many sahajiyas and crooked people there, so this is nothing new. What is new is -- that the source of the new crooks are often the ISKCON people, those who were supposed to rectify the already existing crooked situation. Instead, they made it even worse than it was.]

RAM MOHAN DAS: Ravanari pr, a God brother moved in 2009 from Canada to Mayapur. In Canada he would receive basic state pension, minimum collateral, accommodation allowance, luncheon voucher, compulsory health insurance. In Mayapur they cut it down to 250 dollars per month. He wrote that for Mayapur this is still enough to live there, but why he took flight in panic only one year later was that they set up a toll gate everywhere.

You have to pay that your shoes are still there after class, that your laundry isn't stolen from washing line, temple "safety fee" so that your documents are not stolen and are still there, etc., etc. the whole temple complex is full of people who constantly want your money. 

He said at one point this drives you mad, you cant walk one inch without having someone close at your heels who wants money. You can't live there peacefully. Now when reading "Sadhu Das Recovering From Knife Attack" this is all about folks who are not Vaishnavas. And they want to build a new "spiritual city" with these type of people? How would this work?

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* PADA: Some of us suspect one of the persons speaking the "poison whispers," such as "poison isvarya rasa" is the Mayapura leader Jayapataka swami (JPS).

* Jayapataka swami has been a leader of driving ISKCON over to the Gaudiya Matha's leaders. He was consulting with Sridhara Maharaja and later on with BP Puri maharaja and others.

* Jayapataka swami has been all along the main leader of Mayapura, where many of the persons connected to the child abuse program have been residing, such as Satadhanya, Nitai Chanda, Bhavananda and others. And these people have been protected and employed by JPS.

* A devotee committed suicide in a Calcutta jail, allegedly because JPS folks had a woman press false rape charges on him. Some devotees like Sattvic das are still ordered to stay in India to testify in this case. All kinds of people are suffering as a result of these types of behaviors.

* Calcutta temple was attacked by goondas with swords and sticks when it was occupied by Adridharana das and some temple vehicles were torched. Adridharana das has apparently gone into hiding to avoid dealing with these people.

* Followers of Gaura Govinda maharaja wrote to tell us they thought GGM had been poisoned at Mayapura, because GGM had said -- he was going to publicly challenge the GBC's gurus over the "jiva tattva" issue the following year in Mayapura. Then he suddenly and mysteriously died. GGM's body was immediately taken by Jayapataka folks to Bhubaneshvara and buried, before any tests could be made.

* Suhotra swami was starting to make critical comments about the problems in Mayapura, and he suddenly died there.

* Harikesh swami was reported to have made his last visit to Mayapura with armed guards, because he thought some of the GBC were "out to get him." Harikesh had the "vibhuti" that Jayapataka's ghost buster was sending him analysed, and it contained dangerous psychotropic drugs, made in the West.

* Jayapataka swami has been a big leader of the GBC's bogus program that says God's gurus and messiahs are haunted by ghosts, and when these messiahs from God are haunted by such ghosts, they may fall into illicit behavior. Thank God for Jayapataka, he can fix these ghostly haunted messiahs by having them "ghost busted." (Srila Prabhupada has said that persons who are haunted by ghosts are in the modes of ignorance).

Jayapataka's ghost busting scam:

http://www.iskcontruth.com/2013/05/jayapatakas-ghost-busting-scam.html

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/05/who-ya-gonna-call-ghost-busters.html

Jayapataka's ghost buster Chiteshvara's web site:

http://www.pagalbaba.net/home.php?ur=historiaig&bt=botig 

* Some of the Gaura Govinda maharaja people were reportedly threatened with violence at Mayapura dham. We heard a report that one of them was being dunked in the river, sort of like water boarding, to convince him to shut up. We were told that Mukunda swami witnessed this event and he did nothing. In other words, it seems that physical intimidation techniques are being used by the Jayapataka crowd.

* Some of the worst goondas in Los Angeles ISKCON are Jayapataka's followers.

* In March of 1986 at the GBC meeting IN MAYAPURA the leaders were discussing reports of Bhavananda having illicit homosexual affairs with taxi drivers in the holy dham, and other similar problems. Yet instead of Bhavananda being removed as the acharya of ISKCON, he was re-instated as the GBC's "Vishnupada acharya" at the time, at the Mayapura meeting and with Jayapataka's agreement.

At the same time, the GBC voted in their next wave of "new gurus" like Trivrikrama swami, Prithu, Ravindra Swarupa and etc. The GBC and their new "reformer" allies then excommunicated Sulochana, and re-affirmed their support for Kirtanananda swami as a messiah, resulting in Sulochana's being assassinated a few months later, in May of 1986. I also would have been assassinated except the police intervened. Mayapura has been the headquarters of all these deviations.

* Atreya Rsi das told us in 1986 that he could not have protested this recoronation of Bhavananda, or Jayapataka's followers would have "beaten on him with bamboo sticks," in Mayapura, which is more evidence of a threatening of violence atmosphere.

* A teacher named Kala das told us he had been removed from Mayapura for protesting the molesting of children problem.

* We heard a report that over 30 people simply disappeared after they challenged the Mayapura regime.

* Jayapataka is the leader of the campaign to harass and sue the Bangalore devotees, which has cost ISKCON maybe $15-20 million dollars, and has forced Bangalore to spend a similar amount, that means Jayapataka has wasted $30 - 40 million dollars on legal expenses, while there is apparently -- hardly any money to pay for facilities for sick and dying devotees, temple repairs, restitution for the victimized kulis, and so on.

Mayapura temple building project stalled:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/09/iskcon-mayapura-building-project-stalled.html

* Brief history of Jayapataka swami:

http://www.harekrsna.org/jayapataka-hist.htm

* Prithu das reports Jayapataka farm's cows sent to slaughter:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2011/11/jayapataka-swamis-cows-slaughtered.html

* One ISKCON recognizes that ISKCON is going over to the Gaudiya Matha:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/gbc-danavir-bhakti-vikas-swami-do-not.html

* Suhotra Swami was a big supporter of Jayapataka. He was apparently watching 1940s Hollywood detective movies. In 1983 Suhotra Dasa accepted the order of sannyasa. In 1991 he became a member of ISKCON's Governing Body Commission (GBC).

[PADA: JPS's ghost busting of gurus program was going on full tilt in 1990, that means -- Suhotra swami knew all about it.]

* In 1996 Suhotra was elected GBC Chairman. Since March 2003 he was also a member of Shastric Advisory Council (SAC), formed by GBC.

[PADA: The acharyas need to be advised by a committee? This is another Jayapataka scam, to say the acharyas need to be controlled by a committee.]

* In 1991 Suhotra Swami wrote his first book Apasampradayas - Deviant Vaisnava Sects. It was about Gaudiya Vaishnava Apasampradayas that developed in between the time of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and Bhaktivinoda Thakur. In the book he also explained how Bhaktivinoda was preaching against them. Suhotra Swami was also a contributor to the ISKCON Communications Journal.

[PADA: This is eventually what caused friction between Suhotra and the other gurus, he was saying they were deviating from the standards of the sampradaya. While in the middle of discussing some of the GBC deviations, he mysteriously and suddenly died -- in Mayapura? Yep, some suspect he was poisoned.]

* The son of a kaviraja visited Mayapapura and he told a friend of ours there, "I never eat anything here, they poisoned Srila Prabhupada, and they know I understand that, because my father is a kaviraja, so they could kill me just for suspecting them. I also watch my drink at all times."

* Bomb Blasts in Mayapura:

Ananda Patrika Bazzar

14/10/01

"On Saturday afternoon just at the back of Mayapur temple one person died due to a sudden explosion of bombs which they were making in one of the buildings under construction. The deceased was identified as Babu Ghosh, aged 30. One of his associates named Amit Das, was seriously injured. The officer-in-charge Mr Sukumar Dutt of Navadeep Police Station stated that the two said persons were security staff of ISKCON. Both were making bombs in a building behind Chandraya Mandir when one of the bombs exploded injuring the said two persons who were immediately admitted to the Sadar Hospital, Krishnanagar, near ISKCON. Babu Ghosh died in the hospital. Nitai Prasad prabhu, the ISKCON spokesman, is not prepared to accept the said persons as being ISKCON staff. He said the incident took place on ISKCON property, but stated that the said persons had nothing to do with ISKCON."

Asian Age

14/10/01

"A man died and another was injured while making bombs inside a house on the ISKCON compound on Saturday afternoon. The Navadweep Police said, Babu Bose, 30, Amit Das, 28 and their asssociates were making bombs inside a secluded house on the complex when some of the bombs burst. Police sources also said the two had a past criminal record.The two were admitted to Shaktinagar Hospital. Babu died later in the evening. Nadia Superintendent of Police, Ramphal Power, said he had received several complaints of criminal activities having increased in the area. 'We have identified some trouble-makers. Such incidents will not be allowed to recur,' he said. ISKCON sources said the two were not connected to their organisation. "The incident took place outside the complex." an ISKCON spokesman said. But the Police maintained that the blast took place inside the complex.

* Jayapataka's main helper on the Bangalore lawsuit is Radhanath swami, who has been implicated in the murder of Sulochana by some former New Vrndavana residents:

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-06/editorials1048.htm

* When the GBC gurus went to court over the child molesting issue, Jayapataka's team pleaded "no contest" to charges that over a thousand of children in his schools had reported being abused, if not starved, beaten and sexually molested. Despite de facto admitting that the children in Jayapataka's charge had been treated horrifically, he is still considered as the current messiah of ISKCON by the other leaders. What kind of bogus cult has the GBC created? They promote and even enforce the worship of the very same people who orchestrated mass molesting of children, as their messiahs?

Fortunately, most of the sincere adults around ISKCON, and almost cent percent of the ex-children, all agreed that suing Jayapataka's team over the molesting was required to: (A) validate that the molesting was even going on at all, since most people were in denial it was even occurring. (B) To help reduce the suicides of victims. (C) To stop the flow of even more victims going over to MAYAPURA to become future victims.

Oddly, a small group of people headed by Bhakta das are now saying that these children should not have been saved, at all. They say, there should NOT have been any lawsuit against the molester regime, so that the ex-children victims would continue to commit suicide, and more and more children could still be shipped off to Mayapura, to become future victims of their vicious molester worship cult -- and so on. These cult defenders are -- in sum -- angry that we cut off further supply of more child victims to be placed into their voodoo child sacrificing "wood chipper for children" project.

In other words, there is a very small but vociferous group of people remaining who wanted the children's victimization process to continue, and to continue to have an unlimited supply of more children shipped off to their odious cult in Mayapura to become more canon fodder / victims of their molester messiah's cult, and they are very upset someone put their foot down on their child molester messiah's program, which they still worship and defend.

In fact some of the leaders of this child molester protecting and promoting group such as Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Pancali had a web site that said the children victims of their cult needed to be killed, chopped up and fed to dogs, of course Prahlad simply said -- placing them on upraised swords would suffice. What kind of people even think that children should be killed and chopped up, never mind to write that in public? No normal person ever even thinks of chopping up children, nor even dreams of doing that in their worst nightmares, its just these (black magic tantrics?) child oppressing Bhakta das folks / lets send more kids into the wood chipper / cult people / who do think of these things. No normal person ever does think like this. Ever!

Which is one reason why, some people even think there is a black magic child sacrificing cult going on here. What kind of cult people say children need to be killed and chopped up? A black magic child sacrificing cult? And / or the Bhakta das / Radhanath / Jayapataka defenders? Whom else? The good news is that all of this is has been verified and is all on public record since they even sent their statements, that these children need to be chopped up (to save their black magic child oppressing cult?) to the Dallas lawyers.

We do have other (unverified) testimony on this "black magic" theory that we are not at liberty to discuss at the present time, but it sounds like a really bad horror movie. We would welcome any testimony anyone could provide. Anyway we address some of the protestors to PADA and current defenders of the molester guru program here:  

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/08/bhakta-dass-radhanatha-swami-revival.html

In sum, the GBC guru sympathizers are trying to repress PADA so they can cover up these types of stories (and help more innocent people become victimized). As soon as we say vaishnavas are being attacked, the Bhakta das team says, lets stop PADA so they can get more innocent people victimized. That's all they have done now for 35 years now, nothing new here at all. As soon as we say:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/09/sadhu-das-recovering-from-knife-attack.html

They say, hey lets put and end to PADA. Well that means they want more victims of their regime, after they already victimized thousands of children and numerous adults are no longer among the living because of their vicious cult. Incidently, Jvalamukhi's video seems to have disappeared? Fortunately, we have the text of her speech here:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/05/jvalamukhi-devi-speaks-about-gurukula.html

She mentioned how the court case forced people to wake up, and she also mentions that there is a potential black magic anti-child program going on here. This seems to be the gradual consensus, in any event, that there is a very dark group in charge of the Mayapura program. Why would anyone even mention black magic child sacrifices, unless they had a feeling the place is totally demoniac? Why would anyone defend that cult, and agree with those who said that they are not happy because these children are not yet killed and chopped up? Jvalamukhi is correct, there is a black hearted child hating cult going on here, which is at the root of all the evils in ISKCON.

Anyway, there is hardly anyone even left to defend this group anymore, in fact except for the Bhakta das / Prahlad team, hardly no one else in the West defends the child molester messiahs regime, because almost everyone else knows that defending this group is a severe aparadha. So this is good news, more people are waking up to the Mayapura mess, and they are seeing whats really going on there.

Sometimes we have to be in the darkest time of day -- just before the sun rises. We hope that more of the people of India start to wake up over there (many already are, and we give them a big bravo for that) and catch up to us over here in the West. We want to see the holy dham of Krishna and Lord Chaitanya cleaned up, its our sacred ground, and we are praying for the day all these bogus actions are cleaned out of there. Krishna will do that eventually, but we should sweep our own church ourselves and not wait for Him to be our janitor. ys pd
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Befuddled By All The Gaudiya Camps / ISKCON's Meltdown

[PADA: Meanwhile, the ordinary citizen devotees are totally left in the dust of all these contrived Gaudiya Camp's battles? (Gaudiya Matha's history revisited). Our suggestion is -- to do what we are doing, to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada as best one can. There is no other shelter in our opinion. ys pd]

Please accept my humble obeisances, I am a somewhat new devotee. At first, I was introduced to Srila Prabhupada's books by a dear friend and great devotee. Krishna not only blessed me with Prabhupada's books but most fortunately discovering lectures by Srila Narayan Maharaj. But my question is this: Should I be initiated by any Guru of either movement? Or should I just take the shelter of Krishna and both Maha-Bhagavatas and steer clear of both movements (ISKON & IPBYS)? I am very aware of the problems / scandals in ISKON and the storm brewing on this side of the fence as explained by the article. I am very afraid and confused as to what to do. All I know for sure is I truly love Lord Krishna, want to give my life to Him & serve Him, spiritually advance and return back home to Him. I am not exactly sure how to do this with the terrors Maya unleashed on us and new enough to never have been initiated. Could somebody please help me?? 

Radhastami is Sept 12th in the USA

Srila Prabhupada Radhastami lecture:

http://www.iskcontimes.com/radhastami-lecture%20

Raval - The Birthplace of Srimati Radharani

Raval is the most auspicious birthplace of Srimati Radharani who is the embodiment of mahabhava, the essence of Sri Krishna’s pleasure potency. Raval is 9km (6 miles) south of Mathura, on the other side of the Yamuna River. It is about halfway between Mathura and Gokula. It is not so frequently visited place, which inspires unique mood of separation in the hearts of Her devotees. Only by great fortune will someone desire to visit this holy place, and reverentially touch and remember it.

Srimati Radhika is most loved by Her father Vrishabhanu Maharaja. For this reason, devotees usually refer to Her as “Vrishabhanu-nandini” (the daughter of Vrishabhanu Maharaja).

The word ravala means “an influential landlord”. This place is named after Sri Vrishabhanu Maharaja, who was a most influential landlord.

Sadhu Das Recovering From Knife Attack

Sadhu Das

FROM ANONDAS: RE: Sriman Sadhu Dasa Prabhuji.

Under the powerful prayers from the sincere souls, by the grace of God, Sri Sri Radha Krishna, Sriman Sadhu dasa prabhu is gradually recovering very favorably from the mortal criminal attack perpetrated by a local Bengali Iskcon member, initiated by H.H Jayapataka Swami as Mahabandhu Dasa. A.K.A Manik Mondal.

I am here far away. If I was there in Mayapura, this situation would have never happened. Unfortunately I am ill from all that materialistic environment (in Mayapura). I told Sadhu that I don't wish to see any more of those hundreds of (Jayapataka swami's) evil people whom keep the show running there, that I want to live in peace in another better place, even at the price to remain alone for the rest of my life. 

I recommended that Sadhu das leave there too, and take his mother to a better place, where she can walk out side safe, and he can live without expecting a deathly ambush at any time. Life in Holy Places are one thing, according to the description of Srimad Bhagavatam, but are something completely different from what we see and face there today. 

Also I told Sadhu that the description from the Srimad Bhagavatam about the transcendental qualities of Dham Vasis, the residents at Holy Places, doesn't match with the actual behavior of those evil creatures whom we see living there today. So I presented many explanations why, under the name of following Srila Prabhupada in original way, he should consider my humble suggestion, and depart from there. 

It does not even matter to them how many more Sadhu victims will happen in the future, the mentality of the top (GBC guru managers) and from their base (their disciples) will never change. I explained that I could die trying to save the dham there, but I wish to die for a better purpose. For me to die -- here or there -- doesn't make a big difference, as long as there is a honorable reason behind it, but for me to die trying to save the current lot of corrupt lot of people in Mayapur -- was no a honorable reason for me continue to remain there, and to die there.  

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[PADA COMMENT: Right, trying to fix the criminal guru's program, even in holy dham, will maybe get you killed. Agreed. And since the GBC's gurus and leaders are sometimes criminals, they may attract other criminals as their followers. This is of course why Bhakta das is one of the GBC's guru program cheer leaders, he has a track record of being a criminal himself, and so now some folks are promoting Bhakta das as their spokesman, since criminals love to promote other criminals (see previous articles about Bhakta and his groupies for reference). 

Well anyway, this is a good analysis, yes you can try to get this "evil" element out of the holy dham, but you might die in the process. We think that is possibly what happened to Aindra das as well. The bad news is, the holy dham has been attacked by dacoits, the good news is, more people are figuring that out. Right, we can die trying to fix this criminal mess. This person says, better to remain alone if required and worship HDG Srila Prabhupada ourselves. Good progress! People are waking up, its just sad that its taken so long, we knew this was a criminal take over in 1978. Anyway, so what, better late than never. ys pd]  

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/09/mayapura-not-very-safe-for-devotees.html

External expose may be required rather than fighting inside their campus:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2013/09/sulochana-dasa-was-right-external.html

Bhakta Dasa's abusive disciples:

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2012/12/muktipada-quits-sanat-steve-voith.html

VIDEO history of me and Tamal Krishna Goswami (leader of the criminal take over project):
http://youtu.be/wMD6jyrLXwA

PADA: ALL OF THIS IS THE RESULT OF -- 

ROCANA DASA's -- 

LIVING GURU EXPERIMENTAL PROJECT (LGEP)!

Richard Dawkins (famous atheist) under fire for pedophilia remarks

http://www.examiner.com/article/richard-dawkins-says-mild-pedophilia-is-okay

Florida Prabhupadanuga program

http://networkedblogs.com/OTDXZ

Madhu Pandit dasa: on taking sins ...