Thursday, May 25, 2017

Poison Issue Removed from "Prabhupada" Forum (Nityananda das)


ALL TRUTH PASSES THROUGH THREE STAGES: “First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”---Mahatma Gandhi

“The truth is not for all men, but only for those who seek it.” Ayn Rand

One meditation: All the facts in the world don't add up to Truth. And even Truth Itself won't set us free until we realize it through purification and detachment.

There is a nice closed Facebook group composed of over 800 original Srila Prabhupada disciples, and they have discussed many of the issues facing the Hare Krishna movement today, such as the child abuse, the book changes, etc.

[PADA: Yep well this forum is "closed" for a reason, they want to exclude people like myself from bringing up "the controversies." And for that matter, these same folks have closed us off for 35 years, which is why we had to make our own independent forums of information distribution.

Worse! Some of these same people, like for example Uttama sloka, were defending the GBC's gurus not that long ago, and he says Srila Prabhupada's idea that we originated with Krishna leela is bogus, and he banned and blocked me for pointing that out. 

He says we did not originate with Krishna, which Srila Prabhupada said is "tinged with Mayavada." Then again Uttamasloka also says the ritviks are bogus, and we have to accepted his various and sundry "living gurus" instead. How is that working out for these folks? On the other hand there are many forums and devotees who accept all of our points, so its better to help arm them with information and go ahead without the naysayers.]

But when the new hour-long video about the forensic breakthrough into Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning was released on YouTube 18 days ago (5450 views now), the discussions in this group became turbulent and emotional. Some members had copied me excerpts from the discussions, and I could see that there was a significant lack of facts and understanding of the evidence and history in the matter of Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance pastimes. 

I recalled that I had been invited to join a couple of years ago, so I wrote and asked if I could join, but that I would commit in advance to be humble, polite, and simply answer questions and address objections to the issue. I even offered to remain outside and filter answers and facts on the case through the administrators before being posted. 

This idea was discussed and for the first time in their history, it was necessary to take a vote on a new member joining, and it was rejected. The administrators had private discussions with Naveen Krishna das and myself, and were very interested in the new forensic evidence and hoped the group could discuss it peacefully. But last night all hell broke out, and heated discussions turned into… well, it’s explained below in the post which someone forwarded.

There are a number of things here-

(1). Would it be better to restrict those members who cannot maintain their decorum and allow the rest to discuss a very important topic? Or do the majority of members really want to avoid this matter to this degree?

(2). Why do some become more excited about the “poison theory” than devotee murder, child abuse, book changes, and so on?

(3). What is the core fear that some devotees have that just drives them bananas when they hear that new evidence has been found confirming Srila Prabhupada’s poisoning?

Your servant, Nityananda das

Uttamasloka Dasa‎ to Srila Prabhupada's Disciples, My Godbrothers & Godsisters


Dear godbrothers and godsisters of the sanga,

As you all know by now, there was a VOTE going on in our Srila Prabhupada’s Disciples sanga that was to determine whether our sanga members desired to view and discuss Nityananda das’s recent YOUTUBE video titled “Kill Guru, Become Guru.” The video claims to offer new forensic evidence surrounding the departure of our beloved gurudev, His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada 40 years ago.

Since the ‘VOTE’ post went up there has been some ‘unbridled’ dialog that has crossed the line into aparadha against our fellow members, and our Godbrother Nityananda das, and has threatened to affect adversely those on both (or all) sides of the issue.

Due to the divisive nature of this ‘emotional’ subject matter, and out of respect for everyone involved –we have come to the conclusion that the discussion is going nowhere. It's a stalemate as it is evident that no one on either side will convince anyone on the other side. That much seems to be very clear. We feel that a fair compromise would be to suggest, for those who DO want to investigate this serious topic further, to personally contact Nityananda das, who is the one person who can explain and adequately answer all the speculations and questions that have arisen. Here is his eMail...
Due to the complexity and gravity of the issue, we feel that this is the best for all concerned. We have delete all related threads about this topic from both sides, so please DO NOT post anything more about this topic in our group. 

Thank you.

Your servants, Gauradas, Sarvani dasi, Uttamadloka das

ONE RESPONSE I RECEIVED: I agree that their so-called reunion is an illusion. 

Bottom line: we can tolerate naked women, binge smoking hippies, beef eaters, tantric sex addicts, mayavadis, impersonalists, whore mongers, crazy music and all the rest but they despise the "poison believers" who are even the most feared and hated by the "poison deniers" policy of ISKCON. Maybe some devotees tolerate iskcon leadership because they hope to remain in good standing until they can get their act together enough to get elected to a post of guruship? 

Others simply want to easy living arrangements or cash flow opportunities, or have vital connections within ISKCON, like friends, relatives. Others may just not have thought about these things very much… Even when presented with the hair test results, they still want to remain asleep. Red pill or blue?

[PADA: Yep, they are compromised, which is why the child abuse, book changes, beatings, murders, lawsuits and all the rest of it came about, the leaders did not deal with these issues, and the rank and file for the most part did not deal with these issues either. So, it went into the public and so forth, which is still our best avenue for forwarding these issues. ys pd] 

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