Thursday, May 18, 2017

PADA Debates Narayana Maharaja Folks

ND: Amara Gurudeva Yugalacarya, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada's best friend. Ha! Ha! Ha! Yes Lord Nrisinghadeva will scare away Srimati Radhika.

PADA: Its foolish for Narayana Maharaja to say that Srimate Radharani is afraid of anything. She is the most intelligent being, she has no fear of Krishna or any of His incarnations. Even the cowherd boys are fearless when facing many important demons. Thus an associate of Krishna is not fearful, what to speak of the most important associate.

Its also foolish to tell neophytes they should not worship Narasimgha in the Radha Krishna temples, because they need to worship Him for spiritual strength. And that is why His worship is ALREADY established in these temples. And this worship is established by the ACHARYA, so it should not be challenged and removed by Narayana Maharaja's whims. 

Its also foolish for NM to say worship of Tulsi Devi by the Yani Kani prayers is karma kanda. No! We need to change our karma, we need the mercy of Tulsidevi to do that, this is the process, and NM attacks that process. Srila Bhaktivinode's Prayers to Lord Narasimha are also proof that Lord Narasimgha's worship is compatible with Radha Krishna's worship. 

ND: I could be rude in answer to your stupid comment. Just because you don't know anything about any tattva sidhanta, specially rasa tattva, you proudly reveal all the rubbish that's on your mind. Writing about Srila Narayan Maharaj in those terms, you certainly must be out of your mind or on drugs. Aren't you afraid of aparadhas, oh, you, who know so well Srimati Radharani?

PADA: No one would say that Radharani is afraid of the incarnations of Krishna unless they have no idea who is Radharani. No one would say its bogus to worship Narasimgha in the Radha Krishna temples unless they have no idea who is Srila Prabhupada? We are not afraid of Narasimghadeva, we are happy to see Him, but Radharani is afraid of Him?

The first thing that happened when I walked into SRILA PRABHUPADA'S Radha Krishna temple for the first time was, there was a huge painting of Narasimghadev displayed right next to the altar. That is what Srila Prabhupada established for his Radha Krishna temples, and its an aparadha to challenge what the acharya wants and orders. Yes, I know what Radharani wants at least in this regard, because Her servant Srila Prabhupada says, worship Narasimgha in Radha Krishna's temples.

You also did not answer my comment at all, you just stated argumentum ad hominem, which is not an answer. That is the tattva, that is the siddhanta, we need to worship Narasimgha in our Radha Krishna's temples, and worship them as one process together, and Srila Bhaktivinode's prayer shows us this is the bona fide path as well. 

ND: Ok, I understand, you're a Prabhupadanuga, no need for diksa. Who can understand the behaviour of a vaisnava? Specially, such a great one as you? ISKCON; Is there any need of answering a comment ? It's not a question, specially such a stupid ignorant comment. What to tell? 

I've known the devotees for 40 years, some experience of who is who, ISKCON, nice name by the way, so plz go on with your stupid comments, they will only affect blind eyes. Obviously you don't even know how to respect senior vaisnavas and understand their moods, no education, that's the sadness, plz get educated, this will please Srila Prabhupad, not your foolishness of thinking you can insult one of his dearest friends. Plz, get educated

PADA: OK so Narayana Maharaja said there is a need to take diksha from ISKCON's gurus like Tamal, ooops, isn't Tamal the main suspect in the poison complaint from Srila Prabhupada? And when I came out with the poison issue in 1997, Narayana Maharaja was livid with anger, and he said I was making offenses and so on. He was my worst attacker. 

Then NM invited me to his ashram to talk about all this, but then he avoided me and sat in his room for 10 hours while I waited outside, then he sneaked off the property. Without seeing me? He does not even understand ordinary karmi etiquette, you do not leave a guest sitting, and then sneak out and leave? 

Now you are saying the people who attack the worship of Lord Narasimgha are "great souls"? How are they great souls? Do you know what kind of people attack the worship of Lord Narasimgha? 

Right! "No one (like NM) noticed my 1980s comments, so it came down to, we had Tamal's guru program sued for $400,000,000 for gurukula abuse, and you folks did not notice? That is spare change for your guys? $400,000,000 is not even noticed by you folks? OK! And Narayana Maharaja was in Dallas propping up Tamal's regime while the abuse was going on, and we had that regime sued, why are you people propping up the regime that has to be sued for abuse? 

When our friends in Dallas went to meet Narayana Maharaja he was angry as fire that they were offending "the dear Tamal tree of Radha, Tamal Krishna swami," the main suspect in the poison issue -- is your dear tree to Radha? The guy we had to sue in Dallas is your dear Radha tree, that is an offense to Radha. 

And then shortly after NM cancelled meeting me, he said he did not understand the details of the poison issue, well no kidding he cancelled our meeting after he invited me over to discuss this very issue. He did not want to know about the issue, otherwise why did he cancel our meeting discussing it? Then he said he was not informed properly, well no kidding he cancelled being informed.

ND: If Srila Prabhupad has been poisoned, it shows the quality of those surrounding him. As far as diksa is concerned, Srila Narayan Maharaja did not want to initiate, but sastras say, in order to be connected with the parampara, up to Sri Krsna's lotus feet, you have to receive the bhakti lata bija. 

Many came to Srila Narayan Maharaj, he told them to get initiated in ISKCON, Tamal Krsna, was also one of them. You get that? In Srila Narayan Maharaja's opinion, you are an offender, why would he want to associate with you? You were the one who wanted to talk about this ghastly subject. 

Who is attacking the worship of Lord Narasimgha ? Oh! Tamal's guru program, what is that? Was he still alive ? So you got $400,000,000 to give to the abused kids as a compensation? Well done! Congratulations, sincerely, finally, some justice!

PADA: Right, and Narayana Maharaja said the leader of the poisoners party is the dear Tamal tree of Radha and its wrong to say he poisoned Prabhupada. And worse, he defended Tamal when we said there is an abuse program. Worse, NM said the children are just getting the karma. Worse, NM said that we should get people initiated by these false acharyas in ISKCON.

Who authorized NM to support an abusive program? And NM refused to talk to me about the poison issue -- after inviting me over? Then he said he did not know the details of the case, after he refused to hear the details.

And! This is yet another foolish idea NM has, we need to accept the GBC like Tamal are diksha gurus in order to be connected to the parampara? We need to worship Judas in order to worship Jesus? If he thought I was an offender, why did he later agree that I was right, Tamal is the ring leader of the poison issue? You mean to say, he only agrees with offenders? And you totally forgot to answer why we should not worship Narasimgha? Can you try to stay on point? 

ND: Maybe this means something for you. Srila Narayan Maharaj never said we should not worship Lord Nrisimhadev. 

[PADA: But you just said that NM criticized the worship of Narasimgha in the Radha Krishna temples, and you said this worship scares Radharani? So he criticizes the worship of Narasimgha, and you just agreed with his criticism. That means you are attacking the process of worship established by the acharya. Meanwhile, you said the worship NM endorsed is -- the worship of Tamal and his band of deviant messiahs. So the worship established by the acharyas needs to be removed, and the worship of conditioned souls has to be established instead. And worse, NM thinks offering bhogha to conditioned souls is prasadam?]  

ND: If your goal is Vaikuntha, go on. 

[PADA: IF our goal is to go anywhere near Krishna, we have to follow the rules established by the acharya. If the acharya says we need to worship Lord Narasimghadev in order to purify ourselves sufficiently so that we can LATER ON approach Radha and Krishna, then that is what KRISHNA has ordered for us to do, because the acharya establishes what KRISHNA wants. We may NEVER GET to the platform of purely worshiping Radha Krishna any time soon, its a stretch, so we need to worship the other incarnations as part of the initial stages of devotion. We cannot bypass all the initial stages, and worse, we cannot discuss rasika with fools like Tamal and his gangsters?] 

ND: But Srila Prabhupada and all the parampara made it very clear, our goal is Goloka. 

[PADA: So we should stop the process ordered by the acharya, and help NM promote the worship of conditioned souls as acharyas, and that will take us to Goloka?] 

As far as your relationship with my Gurudev is concerned, it's none of my business, all I know is that there are nitya badhas and nitya siddhas, nb need ns in order to progress on the bhakti-yoga path. So I hope you know such a personality. 

Srila Prabhupada had an astounding exemplary super excellent disciple, Srila Gaur Govinda Swami Maharaja, he was such à bold preacher, he was always glorifying Srila Prabhupad, but could also say that he was controversial. Can you understand that? 

[PADA: Gaura govinda was voted in as acharya by the GBC, when their illicit sex acharya was reinstated by the GBC. What is a reinstated illicit sex acharya?]

ND: Have you heard about nara-lilas? Anyway there is always some mysteries to mysticism and esoterism.  

[PADA: Sorry, Narayana Maharaja said that our having Narasimgha worship in the Radha Krishna temple is scaring Radharani away. He thinks Radharani is ignorant? NM also insults Prahlad maharaja: 

*** Narayana Maharaja Deviates From Srila Prabhupada:

Although he claims to be a successor to Srila Prabhupada, and that Srila Prabhupada is somehow speaking through him, it should be noted that Narayana Maharaja's teachings often seriously differ from Srila Prabhupada's. This is what Narayana Maharaja has to say about Prahlada Maharaja, who is worshipped on every altar throughout ISKCON as a completely pure devotee of Krishna:

"Prahlada Maharaja was a very bona fide bhakta, and he never wanted anything worldly, but he could not serve Krsna. His bhakti was mixed with jnana, knowledge of the Lord's opulence. If you have some worldly desire, or any desire, then your bhakti may be sanga-siddha bhakti or aropa-siddha bhakti, but not pure transcendental bhakti"

(Narayana Maharaja, Hawaii, February 17th, 2001)

Yet Srila Prabhupada's verdict is very different:

"Prahlada Maharaja is the topmost example of a Vaisnava"

(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.21.47, purport) Why is Narayana Maharaja saying that Prahlad is not a pure bhakta? As we pointed out above, Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura is worshiping Narasimghadeva too, is this jnana misra / prakrta bhakti? Prahlad Maharaja is a mahjana, the mahajanas are jnana misra / prakrta bhaktas? Reference: Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.3.20-21

svayambhur naradah sambhuh

kumarah kapilo manuh
prahlado janako bhismo
balir vaiyasakir vayam

dvadasaite vijanimo

dharmam bhagavatam bhatah
guhyam visuddham durbodham
yam jnatvamrtam asnute


Lord Brahma, Bhagavan Narada, Lord Siva, the four Kumaras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahuti], Svayambhuva Manu, Prahlada Maharaja, Janaka Maharaja, Grandfather Bhisma, Bali Maharaja, Sukadeva Gosvami and I (Yama) myself know the real religious principle. My dear servants, this transcendental religious principle, which is known as bhagavata-dharma, or surrender unto the Supreme Lord and love for Him, is uncontaminated by the material modes of nature. It is very confidential and difficult for ordinary human beings to understand, but if by chance one fortunately understands it, he is immediately liberated, and thus he returns home, back to Godhead. 

**** You have failed to explain why Narasimgha cannot be worshiped along with Radha Krishna deity, when we have Narasimgha worship going on right from the start of ISKCON, in the Radha Krishna temples? And now you support people who think Prahlada, our mahajana, is not very advanced? 

And Tamal is advanced, because he is a diksha guru, and the dear Tamal tree of Radha? Narayana Maharaja said he did not understand the poison issue, which is why it took him some years to catch up, well yes, he refused to talk to me about it. Gaura Govinda maharaja is another person who tries to change the teachings of Srila Prabhupada, Srila Prabhupada says we all come from Krishna's leela or sport, GGM said that is incorrect. The way to Goloka is to follow the acharyas from there and not to change their teachings on some whimsical speculation.] 

ND: You plz tell me who is your diksa and siksa gurus so that I can criticize them the way you do with mine. You want to be, right ? No problem ! Want to be a fault finder? Great service. 

I'm not going to lose my time answering to your false accusations, because obviously you have a distorted vision, a sense of humour, but no respect, no appreciation of great vaisnavas beautiful qualities. Pralhad Maharaj was given poison, did he die? 

Srila Bhaktisidhanta Prabhupad left this world when he wanted, as well as Srila Gaur Govinda Swami Maharaja, how can you just dare criticizing them. This is so sad! And you go on and on and on! So sad! 

If I had not mentioned Srimati Radharani would be scared of Lord Nrisimhadev, you would not have. Srimati and Nrisimha, this is rasabas, no interest 4 u, don't know what it is about. 

My Gurudev never said Prahlad was not a pure devotee. Do you know any? Pure devotee? Can you recognize them? RASABASA, do you understand. Where is my Gurudev insulting Prahlad Maharaj, you dummy? Failed to explain to someone who cannot understand. 

It might explain your inabilities to grab some subtleties about guru tattva! What is that? Where does it come from? SASTRAS, he, which one? I'll tell you if you're a good boy! So no more bad words about my gurus plz! Amen, at least, do you agree that Prahlad cannot serve Krsna, have you read your own quote, where my Gurudev say he is a very bonafide bhakta?

[PADA: You did not answer my question about his quote where he attacks Prahlad maharaja.]

ND: Jnani-bhakta = aisvarya, not madurya like, for example the 6 goswamis! Good. My Gurudev never said he was Srila Prabhupada's successor, because it might b u, obviously! Lord Nrisimhadev is worshiped in Mayapur along with panca tattva, not only Radha Krsna. He killed the bad Hiranyakasipu who in fact was His servant in Vaikuntha, He wanted to enjoy fighting. 

[PADA: Ok so finding fault with the worship of Lord Narasimgha is ok? Why do you say we should support fault finding? The acharya establishes the worship of Lord Narasimgha in his Radha Krishna temples, it should not be faulted. You still have not explained why we should support saying that Lord Narasimgha worship needs to stopped because its frightening Radharani? 

Why are you finding fault with the acharya? First, its not frightening Her, next, the worship is there for us to benefit from. We benefit from that worship, that is why it is established. We need to worship Narasimgha for US to become purified enough to then LATER approach Radha Krishna. 

Prahlad maharaja is a mahajana, he is not a jnana misra bhakta, he is one of our greatest mahajanas and pure devotees. Then, when we brought out the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada, NM said I was a nonsense from bringing this up, what, because I was offending and blaming people like Tamal, you mean, the dear Tamal tree of Radha, who would never do such things? 

And NM invited me over to to his ashram to discuss all this, and then he left me sitting without discussing. Then a few years later, he says I was right all along and it just took him time to figure out, well yes, because he refused to see me and discuss this in the first place? It took him time because he thought Tamal would never do this? 

So he trusted Tamal and not the words of the acharya? 

The acharya also says, we worship Lord Narasimgha in Radha Krishna temples, now you are criticizing him as rasabasa. No its not, the neophytes have to worship Lord Narasimgha to get their sins burnt off, so then they will be eligible and purified enough to approach Radha Krishna. Before being even purified, NM says the GBC are diksha gurus? 

That is worse than rasabhasa, its declaring conditioned souls to be rati keli siddhas. Then you say, I do not understand rasa? Conditioned souls are not in rasa? Conditioned souls can absorb sins like Jesus and be diksha gurus? So you are the persons finding faults, I am asking you why do you fault the acharya? ys pd]

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