PADA: Its amazing that people are still quoting the "Purebhakti" web site of Narayana Maharaja about the fall of the jeeva, when Narayana Maharaja says (A) all the GBC's are monkeys, and (B) they are also pure devotees, residents of Vaikuntha and acharyas (who never fall).
That means Narayan Maharaja cannot distinguish between monkeys and pure devotees and acharyas. So why is he being quoted at all on any topic? At the same time, we had to help victims of Narayan Maharaja's GBC guru program make a $400,000,000 lawsuit against the NM guru's regime -- for mass child molesting. Narayana Maharaja is one of the biggest cheer leading servants of Tamal and the bogus GBC's guru regime, which bans, beats, molests and kills vaishnavas, and he is our authority? On any topic?
After NM supported the crew that was creating all these crimes as "pure devotees from Vaikuntha" -- now he says, no one ever falls from there? Yet the people he promotes as Vaikuntha acharya residents are often found engaged in illicit sex, crimes of all types and etc.
First of all, he needs to understand that monkeys are not residents of Vaikuntha. Then he invited me over to his ashram to discuss all this, and he left me sitting for 10 hours without seeing me, then he sneaks out the back door and ignores me. Why is the biggest cheer leader of the illicit sex "residents of Vaikuntha" program being quoted by anyone?
And why does Narayana Maharaja support illicit sex acharyas regimes, and he even says the founder fathers of the 1936 homosexual's guru program are bona fide. He does not know that residents of Vaikuntha are not engaged in homosex? How did he become our authority? ys pd
Thanks prabhu, Right no guru, no sadhu, no shastra supports Narayana Maharaja's program of promoting an illicit sex guru sampradaya, and his saying the 1936 homosexual guru program leaders are bona fide acharyas. This is not authorized anywhere.
ReplyDeleteI am not calling anyone any names, I am saying his idea of supporting Tamal and his debauchee guru program is -- bogus. And that is why NM left me sitting for 10 hours without seeing me, he knew he could not answer even one of my questions. And for him to leave me sitting for 10 hours and then leaving is also not proper etiquette even among karmis. Its never done.
No one has shown us one shred of shastra which says Narayan Maharaja has the authority to promote the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children guru programs, there is none and we all know it. They have zero shastra to back this up.
Srila Prabhupada says (A) there is religion in the modes of ignorance, such as people who are hunting wild pigs to kill them and eat them. So it is ignorance to kill and eat pigs, but even among this ignorant class -- they DO know its wrong to worship illicit sex as their society's gurus, acharyas and messiahs.
So the ignorant will only worship a bona fide person like Jesus as their society's acharya. Then, Srila Prabhupada says (B) there is another class of people, they are not ignorant, they know the rules, like Narayan Maharaja, but they knowingly promote the worship of illicit sex as God's acharyas because -- they are deviants.
Srila Prabhupada says the ignorant class is way better than the conscious deviation class. And Srila Prabhupada says the future of the ignorant is not good, but way worse, are the promoters of false acharyas, Srila Prabhupada says these promoters of false acharyas will go to a way worse destination than even the ignorant materialists, and for these deviants, it would have been better if they had never heard of the Vedas, their future is the darkest there is, beyond measure. ys pd
Unfortunately, Narayana Maharaja said that the bogus GBC guru Tamal Krishna swami is "the dear Tamal tree of Srimate Radharani" when he was always hanging out with these fools. Of course, we all know that Tamal Krishna swami is the founder father of the post-1977 sexual predator acharyas program which we had to have sued for $400,000,000 for mass child abuse (and which the Tamal team lost because they were guilty as charged). So that means Narayana Maharaja cannot distinguish between bona fide "Radha's Tamal Trees" and false ones. Then again, Narayana Maharaja said in the 1990 ISKCON Journal that the founder fathers of the 1936 sexual predator acharyas program are bona fide acharyas in our line. Why does Narayan Maharaja promote the sexual predator acharyas line as "servants of Radha" and bona fide acharyas (again -- who are ALL servants of Radha)? This is the worst insult to Radha there is, to promote bogus guru lineages that says Radha's topmost servants are debauchees, sex addicts, drug addicts, criminals, porno movie watchers, and at least a few of the dear Tamal tree program were having illicit sex with men, women and children, and some of NM's "Radha servants" went back to eating meat. When we wanted to ask NM why he is doing these things, he invited me to his ashram, then he left me sitting outside his door for 10 hours without seeing me. He knew I am right to say Radha's servants are not debauchees, and he could not explain his support for the debauchee acharyas, and worse, he says the founders of the 1936 debauchee acharyas are also bona fide. Why does NM think debauchee guru programs are "the dear Tamal trees of Radha"? ys pd
ReplyDeleteRight, well Krishna is not criticizing anyone when He says acharyam mam vijnaniyam, that the acharyas have to be pure devotees (as pure as He is). There cannot be peace unless people agree with Krishna. Are you saying Krishna is making an aparadha when he says gurus must be as pure as He is? As soon as we said acharyas have to be pure devotees, Narayana Maharaja objected to us, and he said we were making offenses to his dear Tamal tree friends on the GBC guru party.
ReplyDeleteSorry, Krishna is the authority here, on these and on all topics, and Krishna says, unless a person is an uttama adhikary, he cannot pose as My acharya successor. Krishna is the sole authority and no one else. As Srila Prabhupada says, either we accept what Krishna says, or we do not, and if we do not, there will be no peace for us or for our society, its that simple.
And accepting conditioned souls as acharyas has created chaos in ISKCON unless no one has noticed. Madhvacarya also says no one is allowed to re-write history, so the history is, various people supported the GBC's and their false and conditioned soul gurus, its what happened. How can Krishna be making an aparadha by saying HIS acharyas are not conditioned souls? You lost me here! ys pd
Prabhupada also said in 1977 that Sridhara Maharaja is the founder father of the "severe offenders" Bagh Bazaar party. He also said Sridhara Maharaja was the founder of the 1936 guru deviation, so we need to keep all the quotes in context. Yes, he forgave them for making offenses, but that does not mean Srila Prabhupada changed his siddhanta, that these people are now acharyas? He never said -- I forgive them, therefore, they are acharyas? Rather he said in his books that they are deviated because he wanted that to be forever documented, and it is. Sridhara maharaja wanted us to edit these things out of the books. We need to re-write the books of the acharya? In any case, you have not explained why, after it was clear the GBC were deviating by say 1980, NM still went on supporting them as acharyas? Even Sridhara was told that Jayatirtha is taking drugs and having illicit sex by Sudheer in 1979 and by several others, and he still said we should not remove Jayatirtha from the acharya post. So yes, Srila Prabhupada tried to be nice to them, but that does not change the siddhanta, that acharyas are not deviants. In addition, you keep forgetting to answer my first question, if I am saying acharyas are not deviants, because that is what Krishna says, why did the Sridhara and Narayana people say I was an aparadhi. How can Krishna and His statements be aparadhi?
ReplyDeletePrabhupadada: Śrīdhara Mahārāja is little...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He read it?
Prabhupāda: I think so.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did he make any comment?
Prabhupāda: He cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use guru as their instrument for self-aggrandizement, and another party left guru. So both of them are severe offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tīrtha Mahārāja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through guru. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva.
Prabhupāda: So both of them are severe offenders.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about Śrīdhara Mahārāja?
Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that his disciples were not...
Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted.
Tirtha maharaja "wanted to enjoy senses through the guru," ... caused our guru to leave the planet early out of disgust ... how does that make Tirtha an acharya? Anyway, both Sridhara Maharaja and Tirtha parties are severe offenders, clearly, that means they are not bona fide acharyas. (Sridhara's Bagh Bazaar party acharya's son was poisoned to cover up a scandal, and Sridhara's acharya Vasudeva committed suicide by drinking poison). Not sure why NM thinks this is the action of acharyas?
So you are essentially saying that Sridhara Maharaja's making a bi-sexual deviant into an acharya is spiritual. And thus the beatings and killing of dissenters to his bogus guru is a spiritual result. His acharya's child being poisoned to death, and Sridhara's guru committing suicide is also spiritual?
ReplyDeleteHow does the orchestrated banning, beating and killing of vaishnavas become spiritual? And Narayana Maharaja's promoting the GBC's illicit sex acharyas is also spiritual, never mind this also produced more banning, beating and assassinations, This is your idea of spiritual?
OK that is how you folks created all the banning, beating, child molesting and assassinations, you folks said this is a spiritual program, and you still do. Meanwhile, you forgot to answer my first question from 1978, as soon as we quote Krishna's saying that acharyas have to be pure, you folks said that is aparadhi. How did Krishna become an aparadhi?
Amazing, Sridhara and Narayana promoting the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as acharyas is "spiritual," then you wonder why there was so many crimes going on? Even the karmis know this is not spiritual, which is why they had to take your gurus to court and sue them for $400,000,000 for massive child abuse, and raid their farms with SWAT teams, and so on.
Why do the karmis know your program is not spiritual and you do not? Is this connected to your idea that Krishna is an aparadhi because He says acharyas must be pure? Amazing, your gurus and their program of banning, beating, molesting, and assassinating is all spiritual, that is how you caused this program to happen, you folks encouraged it and thus poured gasoline on the fire.
Meanwhile, ISKCON has been bankrupted, the children have been alienated due to all the molesting, and there has been horrible press media stories all over the media, ooops, just like Sridhara made in India, the newspapers were exposing the beatings and murders Sridhara's guru program created there. Yep, ruining the name of Krishna is spiritual. Who knew? ys pd
Sridhara Maharaja not only said the 11 are acharyas, he said that they have to be seen as absolute, as rati keli siddhas, and he said they were appointed as gurus and etc. Its all in these transcripts. There were many transcripts on this topic that were given to me by Dheera Krishna way back in the 1980s, and we posted many sections of these transcripts on our web sites like harekrsna org many many years ago.
ReplyDeleteWhen Jayatirtha was having sex and taking drugs in 1979 this was reported to Sridhara and he said we need to keep JT in the guru post and "none should protest." He also said we need to keep Ramesvara, Tamal and Hansadutta when they deviated, and a famous tape was made by Satsvarupa where Sridhara Maharaja was saying we need to keep these guys.
Sridhara Maharaja also wrote a book called "Sri Guru and His Grace" where he says acharyas "go mad after money, women and followers," and this was part of the discussions he was having with the GBC at the time. I have a copy of that book, but it was part of these early conversations and I saw the transcript way back in the 1980s, its old news.
At the same time when I was in Mayapura in 1971, most of the Gaudiya Matha people were critical of Srila Prabhupada using the title of "Prabhupada," including Madhavava Maharaja and Narayana Maharaja. I was there when Madhava came over and yelled at Prabhupada for using that title. I have no idea why you think these people who yell insults at the acharya are bona fide.
Narayana Maharaj was told by many people many times about these GBC gurus deviations, including by my friends in Dallas, and he was angry as fire that we were opposing these gurus, and he said we were making offenses by opposing. So now you are also saying, that the people who made false gurus and who got dissenters killed "never stopped pure devotional service."
Having vaishnavas killed is pure service?
No, you are taking things out of context, he also said this bogus guru process was a deviation, and not pure. Meanwhile, you have failed to tell us why our repeating Krishna, saying that acharyas must be pure, is aparadhi? How can can we say for the past 35 years that Krishna's statements are aparadhi? When will you people at least try to agree with Krishna, never mind agree with me? ys pd
Sridhara Maharaja also kept saying we cannot counter the "nomination of acharyas" made by Prabhupada, that is another false statement. Srila Prabhupada would not nominate conditioned souls as acharyas? That means Sridhara Maharaja thinks acharyas are appointed and nominated, and they are conditioned souls too. False. That clearly means he thinks acharyas are conditioned souls. Nope! Sridhara is thus the person who nominated them as acharyas just like he nominated Ananta Vasudeva as the acharya in 1936. Problem is, he keeps nominating fools as his acharyas. In 1978 we said there is no nomination, because acharyas are not nominated, they are self effulgent Sridhara was against us.. And then when they started falling Sridhara kept propping them up, which is how he created a huge criminal empire which had to be sued and raided by the police, just like his 1936 acharya became a criminal and he was having people beaten and killed. Criminals are not acharyas, I hate to be the one to have to point these factors out. And why would Srila Prabhupada say the founder father of the 1936 bi-sexual guru should be consulted -- to do the same thing again? That means you are saying Prabhupada made a mistake by giving us the wrong siddhanta consultants. He did not, there is no statement anywhere that he said we need to consult Sridhara for siddhanta, because his siddhanta is that acharyas go mad after money, women and followers and that is not our siddhanta. ys pd
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