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ISKCON Mayapur Managers Statement
Dear Devotees,
Please accept our humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Mayapur Management is committed to provide a safe and spiritually uplifting environment for all the members of ISKCON Mayapur Community and we recognise that the protection of minors is one of our key responsibilities.
We express our solidarity to every member of the community who is affected by the events involving Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami and we pray to Sri Sri Radha Madhava for Their compassion & mercy upon every person.
We will dutifully follow the strictures imposed by ISKCON Central Office for Child Protection on Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami. We also sincerely urge you to help our fellow devotees to be happy and healthy in their service to Srila Prabhupada.
Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Mayapur Management
JM: Who is this written by? Who is the nebulous and undefined 'Mayapur Management?' Like, very specifically, what are their names?
DA: Says HH Jayapataka Swami
HG Hrdaya Caitanya das
HG Brajavilas das
HG Subheksana das
JM: Oh wow. The usual suspects. Those are the same people who have created the system whereby the abuse occurred!
Subekshana! What a joke. He was heavily involved in the gurukulas there. He played a significant role in covering up the abuse and stopping others from speaking out. BV is fund-raiser for TOVP, an office renowned for so much embezzlement, it's laughable.
Hrdaya hasn't got any balls. Never once protected any children in Mayapur. Did nothing to help any poor child. And JPS has overseen the den of thieves for decades. He made the bloody place so that BVP could abuse kids at his leisure, FOR DECADES. That's why they love him, as they all exploit the land and people for money, under his jurisdiction.
It's a criminal enterprise, nothing more or less.
Please tell me... Where and when, EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME, did ANY of these men speak up to defend children from being raped or abused in Mayapur? Tell em go go furk themselves and shove that letter up their asses. They are just trying to protect their own position, that's all. Cowards, the lot.
BBD: It's called damage control. Any fool can write on paper that "they now stand for this-and-that".
What actually and ONLY MAYBE would count is that each and one of them come on zoom with D Dasa & S Dasi and present their stand verbally. So that we can also see their faces, their body language, and do some reading of our own. They can say WHATEVER THEY WANT. Perhaps we can hire some kind of a Detector of Lies also which is usually used on convicted criminals when facing cops and anwsering questions. Yeah, I probably see it as only that way viable. Other scrambled textual shanannigans should be completely neglected.
IL: The interesting thing is that they found a subtle way of asking the community to have mercy on this abuser. At least this is how I interpret these words:
"We express our solidarity to every member of the community who is affected by the events involving Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami and we pray to Sri Sri Radha Madhava for Their compassion & mercy upon every person."
BBD: Simply more outrageous behavior ...
KD: The sanyasi outfit is becoming a child's nightmare ...
KM: Everyone in that community is to blame.
[PADA: Here we go again. We are only maintaining the highest standards here in Mayapur, and they think that is still going to fly? Evidently not many citizens think so. ys pd]
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BB: When I listened to the excellent Bhakti Kids Sangha vodcast today, Mother Abhideya Devi Dasi stated the purpose was to discuss the culture of abuse in Iskcon, and then made a point to emphasize that she really didn't want to commit any aparadha. That surprised me a little, and got me thinking about what is the scriptural definition of Vaishnava aparadha, and why would someone discussing ISKCON's failure to protect children and the case of BVP, worry that they might be perceived as aparadhis.
In reading through all of Srila Prabhupada's Vani quotes, it's plain to see that Prabhupada defines aparadha in rather broad terms, most often defining it as a personal offense, sometimes as fault finding or criticizing a pure devotee, and occasionally as blasphemy. Prabhupada most often uses the term "pure devotee" when he uses the word aparadha. According to Sri Jiva Goswami's Bhakti Sandarbha, Vaishnava aparadha is defined by the six degrading acts; (1) killing, (2) blaspheming, (3) being envious, or hate of, (4) not paying sufficient respect to (5) being unduly angry (6) not receiving a Vaishnava properly or being happy to do so.
So, I think it's easy to understand blasphemy - the act of as speaking or acting with contempt for or acting defiantly irreverent towards a sacred person, place or thing, and the six degrading acts mentioned by Jiva Goswami, but it certainly seems what is poorly understood is when criticism and fault finding are either necessary and constructive or are baseless fault finding.
Srila Bhaktivinode's Vaishnava Ninda defines the motive behind that criticism as the determining factor, and if the critique has bad motive it is aparadha and a good motive then is not aparadha. Bhaktivinode Thakur also states that how you can differentiate that the critique has good motive, is by whether the critical person is desirous of the welfare of the person they are criticizing, or because they desire the welfare of the world, or desire one's own "spiritual" welfare.
So in closing, it is pretty clear that certainly not all fault finding or critique is aparadha, but one should examine one's motives to make sure they are indeed "good".
PADA: Yep, those of us who complain about the molesting are "vaishnava aparadhis," and we are banned, beaten, chased with bats, sued, and -- some dissenters lives are taken. Get them aparadhis! How is that working out for the children in that society?
Comment: "Thank you so much P Dasi for clarifying this! I left Finland over 30 years ago and I am not that up to date about things there. I mainly know what I heard from T himself when he used to bombard me (and a long list of gurus and sannyasis) and boast about his preaching achievements in Finland with pictures taken of him and his wife together with different "important" persons.
ReplyDeleteAt the end I had to tell him to please send his messages just once a month, not every day, since most things were totally uninteresting. I wonder if any of the sannyasis even bothered reading... Anyway, good to know that ISKCON Finland has nothing with BVPSs stay to do and that they are following the CPO!"
M Devi Dasi: "Let’s be clear, he didn’t just rape children. He sent them to hospital. He tore them up! Too graphic ? The man is a sadistic predator! What the hell is wrong with these people ?"
NN Dasa: NEARLY THE ENTIRE "gbc leadership" SUPPORTED THIS DEMON IN DISGUISE OF VAISHNAVA CLOTHES AND EXTERNAL BEHAVIOUR.. WHICH ACTED AND IN FACT REPEATED OVER THE MANY YEARS, CONFIRMS BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT, THAT NEARLY ALL OF THEM WERE HIS 'CLIENTS' IN GETTING 'FRESH MEAT' (AS THEY USE TO EXPRESS IN A DEMONIAC SLANG = PASSING VICTIM BETWEEN EACH OTHER THE ABUSED PSYCHOLOGICALLY, MENTALLY, SEXUALLY ETC GURUKULA CHILDREN).. AND THIS IS ONLY ONE EXTREMELY TINY PORTION OF THE MOUNTAINS OF MOST OBNOXIOUS VARIETIES OF CRIMES ON ALL LEVELS, NAMELLY: GROSS, SUBTLE, CUNNING..PERPETRATED BY THEM...!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteAND NOW THEY TRY TO HIDE HIM SOMEWHERE TO CONTINUE HIS DEMONIAC ACTIVITIES..!!! THEY WON'T CHARGE HIM AS A CRIMINAL ... BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO.
FK Dasi: I stand for truth.
ReplyDeleteIt is within this spirit that I’m sharing the information below.
My Param Gurudeva, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Śrila Prabhupāda, is a saintly person of spotless character. Unlike many so called “gurus” who dishonor and take advantage of the sacred position of the renounced order of life, sannyasa, he left a legacy which has given many souls - including myself - the opportunity to transcend the endless Samsara Chakra (cycles of birth and death).
The society he created as a shelter for the souls entrapped by materialism attracted all kinds of people, and unfortunately, some of those have perpetrated criminal and abominable acts while hiding behind a renunciate’s cloth.
As someone eternally indebted to Śrila Prabhupāda for the treasure I’ve received, I feel responsible to help to expose those who are deviating from his teachings and standards.
It is very unfortunate that the ISKCON leadership has failed to deal with this recurring problem even after knowing about it for decades.
So it’s time for us, members of this community, to come together and demand that legal actions be taken against such criminals.
The heinous crimes carried out by such predators against children, is the gravest of all, because they target those who cannot defend themselves, and the level of trauma and pain is so severe, that will affect all aspects of their lives.
Śrila Prabhupāda said that anyone mistreating children should be kicked out of our society…time is overdue for their followers to abide by his words.
SD Dasi: Already started. They are blocking and banning people from the Sivaram forum and removing the Kadamba Kanana swami video etc. Get ready for the empire to strike back! You have been warned! Hah hah. What a bunch of dufus turkeys.
ReplyDeletePR: What do you mean the usual culprits are making a huge issue?
ReplyDeleteThis BVP man (if we can call him that ) was/is the Hiranyakashipu of our time. For over 30 years he tortured (not a wee bit of corporal punishment) hundreds if not thousands young Vaishnavas.
He raped them and also let hundreds more be raped under his care. He committed the highest form of Vaishnava apparadha, against the most innocent members of our society, in the center of the holy Dhama.
I’ve been with this society for over 35 years. I’ve never spoken out publicly against it. But this is a total and utter disgrace. That anyone would defend this demoniac behavior just blows my mind.
PADA: A Jayapataka follower told me that JPS was helping get rid of BVP. I said great, but why are his followers complaining I cost ISKCON $100,000,000 in lawsuits. Why wasn't that $100,000,000 spent on taking care of the kids, then none of these problems would have happened? And since BVP problem has been going on for decades, what is the hold up? They blocked me. It looks like they are getting more and more desperate to explain their history. ys pd
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