Ramesvara (Robert Grant) Writes Wrongs (Update)

Here is the list of the sahajia gurus in Iskcon:

Adikarta Das
Atmanivedana Swami
Badrinarayan Swami
Bhaktivaibhava Swami
Bhakti Bhrnga Govinda Swami
Bhakti Caitanya Swami
Bhakti Carudesna Swami (BTS)
Bhakti Dhira Damodara Swami (BTS)
Bhakti Gaurava Narayan Swami (TKG)
Bhakti Gauravani Goswami
Bhakti Prabhupada-vrata Damodara Swami
Bhakti Raghava Swami
Bhakti Sundar Goswami
Bhakti Vasudeva Swami
Bhakti Vijnana Goswami (RNS)
Bhakti Vikasa Swami
Bhaktivyasa Tirtha Swami (BSDS)
Bhakti VV Narasimha Swami
Bhakti-bhusana Swami
Bhaktimarga Swami
Bhurijana Das
Bir Krsna Das Goswami
Caitanya Candra Das (GGS)
Caitanya Candra Caran Das (JPS)
Candra Mukha Swami (HDG)
Candramauli Swami
Caru Das
Danavir Goswami
Devamrita Swami
Dhanvantari Swami
Dhirasanta Das Goswami
Drutakarma Das
Giridhari Swami
Giriraja Swami
Gopaswami Das
Gopal Krsna Goswami
Guru Prasad Swami
Hanumatpresaka Swami
Harivilas Das
Hrdayananda dasa Goswami
Indradyumna Swami
Janananda dasa Goswami
Jayapataka Swami
Jivananda Das
Kadamba Kanana Swami (JAS)
Kalakantha Das
Kavicandra Swami
Kesava Bharati dasa Goswami
Kratu Das
Kripamoya Das
Krsna Ksetra Swami
Lokanath Swami
Madhu Sevita Das
Mahadyuti Swami
Mahaman Das
Mahatma Das
Mahavisnu Swami
Manonatha Das
Matsya Avatara Das
Medhavi Das
Narayani Devi Dasi
Navayogendra Swami
Niranjana Swami
Partha Sarathi Das Goswami
Prahladananda Swami
Purushatraya Swami
Radhacaran Das (TKG)
Radha Govinda Swami
Radha Krishna Das (TKG)
Radhanath Swami
Rama Govinda Swami (KDS)
Ravindra Svarupa Das
Romapada Swami
Rtadhvaja Swami
Sacinandana Swami
Samik Rsi Das
Sankarsana Das
Satyadeva Das
Sivarama Swami
Smita Krsna Swami
Srivas Das (BTS)
Subhaga Swami
Suresvara Das
Trivikrama Swami
Vaisesika Das
Varsana Swami
Vedavyasapriya Swami
Virabahu Das
Yamunacarya D

VD: It's up to every devotee to ascertain. Maybe a better question is are they utama adhikari devotees? Or how many have fallen down or about to relinquish their guru status as diksa? This is not a system Prabhupada wanted after his departure this we are convinced as fact 100 percent. Facts don’t lie but people do!

Robert Grant: While we may agree on a number of issues, it seems absurd to simply call practically every ISKCON diksa guru a sahajiya is clearly a misuse of the word sahajiya and really borders on offending de press who have dedicated their lives to propagating the holy names of the Lord.

Such a misuse of the word sahajiya- you and everyone else should know much better than to use such a blanket condemnation on practically every current guru giving diksa in that particular way.

RS: Former ex-hippies as ISKCON diksa gurus? Have they become liberated souls in one life? Not only that they have to be approved and appointed(elected) and regulated by the mafia (so called GBC criminals) if that isn’t sahajiya what is?

Robert Grant: Ronald Singh perhaps you should research how Srila Prabhupada used the word sahajiya - then it wouldn’t be applied so indiscriminately against those who are true preachers and leaders of public Sankirtan Yajnas and Festivals and mass Book Distribution.

MPD: Robert Grant perhaps you should do a more in depth analysis of what a diksa guru is, and how one can attain to such a status.

Robert Grant: In Srila Prabhupada’s there are many statements that Madhyama Adhikari devotees or even aspiring Madhyama devotees may give diksa as they connect their disciples to their eternal Siksa Guru, Srila Prabhupada! In 1980 I published 3 papers about this and have to em out to every devotee in the western US zone. I assure you that I have carefully researched that topic with our best BBT writers and editors who assisted in researching and preparing those papers.

[PADA: Yep, here we go again. Ramesvara's idea is -- that people who are falling into illicit sex, drugs, watching porno, having sex with boys in the cottage and motorhome ... etc. are "Madhyama adhikary." Ummm, nope, they are not even up to the standards of ordinary karmis -- who avoid these actions. 

Even low grade Kanisthas are not drinking Vodka and peppermint Schnapps, while getting stoned on percodans, while having sex with half dozen disciples etc. This has nothing to do with Madhyama devotees. 

Why does Ramesvara always mix up BONA FIDE Madhyama devotees with his drunk and disorderly drugs and illicit sex addicts? This is an insult to the platform of bona fide Madhyama devotees, to keep mixing them up with Ramesvara's dog-like behavior artificially rubber stamped gurus. 

Srila Prabhupada says illicit sex and drugs are part of lower levels of sudra behaviors, he never telescopes that to Madhyama (anartha nivritti) platform. That means Ramesvara is mixing lesser level sudra level to bona fide Madhyama level.]

RSD: Any businessman can do what you suggested. After Srila Prabhupada’s BBT was hijacked, it was all lawlessness . You directly participated in both activities (guru business and accessory to BBT hijacking) it’s not our business to judge you here but present the truth. And Robert Grant, you became a “disciple” in 1970 and wrote the Madhyama paper in 1980? After that the so called “Madhyama” were crashing and burning. Your works need a complete revision. After you found out your Madhyama were having illicit sex and taking drugs, your paper should have said "these people are not even kanistha."

Robert Grant: You don’t know me or my heart or my devotional consciousness, and really shouldn’t accuse devotees of things that they didn’t do. I can only continue to respond to comments presented respectfully to all. I hope this chain can elevate to that standard.

RSD: These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came. These are called sahajiyās. Very easily they capture thing. So my Guru Mahārāja used to say, "When my disciples will be sahajiyā, it will be more dangerous." He used to say like that. Take things very easily.

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These sahajiyas will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Maharaja's disciples, so many sahajiyas came - Vaniquotes

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VD: Which ones are not sahajia prabhu please name them from the list. The elected guru system by the gbc was never authorized by my guru. Tell me where these so called people get the authority to be diksa gurus. Again please list the ones you think are not imposters. Robert Grant please prabhu list the ones you think are qualified diksa guru’s according to PRABHUPADA’S directive.

[PADA: Telling these people to take karma is hurting them, and ISKCON, and worse, the karma of the disciples is not absolved. No winners. 

When we were in India, Srila Prabhupada stopped the whole kirtan when he saw two of his lady disciples having their feet touched by the old ladies at the pandal program. He told them, "I told you -- do not let people touch your feet, you will be taking their karma and you will have to suffer." 

Srila Prabhupada told us many, many times, if we allow people to touch our feet we will be acting like diksha gurus, taking sins. That will make us get sick, fall down or both. Of course many of them died. He said, only a pure devotee has the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins, and if you neophytes take sins "you will have to suffer" and they are suffering. 

So yes, this question was answered many times, none of you neophytes should attempt to take others sins, but they neglected that instruction. No idea why the ladies would be able to be diksha gurus and take karma -- when the men who do so are suffering many reactions.

That is also why Srila Prabhupada told the story of the snake and the ants. The guru told the disciples he could take their sins, but he could not. So the disciples went to Yamaraja and they were very angry, and wanted to take revenge. So Yamaraja made them ants, and made their guru a snake, and the snake went over the ant hill, and he was eaten alive by the ants. 

In other words, it does not matter if this karma is not resolved now, it will be eventually. So -- I also have no idea why a woman posing as diksha guru or a man posing as diksha guru could take karma when he said -- none of you are qualified. They think they can absorb sins, because Jesus is absorbing sins and they are his equals. That is why Srila Prabhupada said, we need to send them back to Bellvue. 

Worse! Ramesvara's pal -- ISKCON guru Jayadvaita -- said he was getting sick and tired from taking karma. So he appointed his much younger disciple -- Kadamba -- to start initiating instead. That much younger disciple now has terminal cancer. 

They are suffering from taking karma, so let us spread the misery around. I got sick from drinking the sour milk, so let me serve out sour milk to everyone else in the house -- and make them also get sick and suffer. Why does Ramesvara want others to get sick, fall down, and / or die, like his guru compadres are doing left, right and center? I am suffering from taking karma, let us make that an epidemic.

A neophyte cannot absorb the sins of another neophyte, and Srila Prabhupada says -- if this is done artificially, "you will have to suffer." He said we would get sick, fall down, or both. And much worse has happened, and repeatedly. 

And we see examples of that, left, right and center. He told us, neophytes do not have the brahmana tejyas to burn off sins ... and we don't. Ramesvara sees how his fellow "gurus" are falling down, getting sick, having constant migraines, or even dying prematurely, and he wants to give that process of suffering and death to others. Why?] 

**** Dasi: Many people fall down, but they weren't initiating anyone. Everyone has to die, so what if they are taking karma from others or not? I fail to see why it matters if people are taking other's karma or not, they all die anyway.

[PADA: People who were not initiating were falling down even when Srila Prabhupada was here. That does not change the facts: the neophyte does not have brahmana tejyas to absorb sins, and that is what he said. People all over the world are falling down, that does not authorize anyone to take karma. Yes, any conditioned soul can fall down -- and any person can get sick from cancer or some other disease. That is not the point.

The point is, Srila Prabhupada told us specifically -- we cannot take sins. And if we do, we have to suffer. They even admit they are getting sick and falling down from taking karma. Anyway, that is what he said, and he also said that if we do not follow this -- we can take birth as a snake and be eaten by ants later on -- the karma never goes away. 

Ordinary people might not have to take birth as a snake and be eaten by ants, because they are not that sinful. Srila Prabhupada also said Jesus is still taking karma of his sincere disciples now, that means the people who think they are another Jesus are going to have to suffer, this life or the next. People who eat meat have to die, and the people who do not eat meat also have to die, that is not a licence to eat meat. 

As for Adi Karta, he was one of the people who told me it is a good idea for Jayatirtha to be a diksha guru and absorb the sins of thousands of people. OK how did that work out? Jayatirtha left and UK yatra went bankrupted, and JT departs in a huge media scandal. And then Adi karta tells even more neophytes to take sins, and he claims to be as good as Jesus and too can take sins. 

So Ramesevara's people like Jayadvaita say that they are suffering from taking sins, so they tell Kadamba to take sins instead of Jayadvaita, now Kadamba has terminal cancer. And Ramesvara thinks that having all this fall down, suffering and no small amount of departed untimely people, and associated horrible publicity, is sincere preaching? 

If you know that advising people to take karma causes them to suffer, and depart, why would you make that happen to others? Never mind that people who take karma without authority have to take birth as a snake in the next life, and be eaten alive by the former disciples who become ants? And this is their idea of sincere preaching? Sheesh! I need to go take my percodans now (like their gurus are doing when they get a permanent migraine)! ys pd 

'Disciples go rogue Evening Standard 

ISKCON LSD-GURU BEHEADED BY HIS OWN DISCIPLE.

VD: Thank you for that clarification. Like I said facts cannot be denied. They are being distorted by a small group of devotees in the Iskcon guru business. This is very apparent in North America. India is already split into 6 different cults.

1. Radhanatha group

2. Jayapataka group

3. Basu gosh group

4. Gopal Krishna group

5. Madhu pandit group

6. Bhakti Vikas group

These groups are all alienated from each other with very different philosophical points of view. Russia is being shut down by the government for future preaching from Iskcon people. Bali has banded the Iskcon movement. These are facts not fabrications. There is more information on these matters for release moving forward. This is a fratricidal war.

PADA: All of the GBC managed ISKCON India groups have backed keeping molester Lokanath in the acharya's seat, starting with Basu Ghosh, who works closely with Bhakti Vikas swami. Jayapataka has helped keep Lokanath as a prominent speaker in Mayapur. 

Gopal Krishna is helping get land use permits to bury molesters in samadhis in the dham, and he is working hand in glove with Radhanath. In other words, when it comes to the basic idea, that deviants are or were acharyas, they all agree. They also all agree that piling more karma on Jayapataka is a good idea, never mind he looks like taking karma is making him into a train wreck. Madhu pandit started a free food program in India, and immediately the GBC ISKCON spent $20,000,000 trying to get him placed in jail, so they could shut down the program and starve the millions of kids he is feeding. 

Then Jayapataka followers sent me a nasty (threatening?) message, that I have caused Jayapataka to spend $100,000,000 on lawsuits because I helped the molesting lawsuit (they were sued for abusing and starving kids), the BBT lawsuit and I gave documents to help the Bangalore lawsuit. 

Wow, they spent $100,000,000 on their starving children program? And that is my fault? No, they starved children and got sued, then they spent $20M to starve more kids. Then they send me nasty messages, blaming the messenger and not the perps. I forgot! This is what Ramesvara calls "sincere preaching." Yes, we sincerely spend $100,000,000 making sure lawyers have nice Mercedes so they can go get their chicken tikkas in style! And that is what they call "preaching"? Preaching what? ys pd

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