DD: I would like to put it out there that over the years I have come in contact with many aspiring vaishnavas who, because of when they were born and when they came in contact with the Krishna consciousness movement they never had any personal association with Srila Prabhupada. They never experienced going on a walk with him, having a one-on-one conversation with him, didn't get to exchange letters with him, nor sit in the temple room while, from the vyasa asana, he chanted jaya rādhā-mādhava kuñja-bihārī and then gave the morning class, nor did they receive diksha initiation from him.
And yet despite the fact that they never had any of the above-mentioned experiences and had no personal association whatsoever with Srila Prabhupada, by dint of their sincere and strict adherence to his teachings and instructions, their humble and dedicated service to his mission, their participation in devotional activities such as book distribution and public chanting (Sankirtan) they are more intimately connected with Srila Prabhupada than so many of us (certainly myself included) who did have his personal association.
As siksha disciples of Srila Prabhupada they are pleasing him and receiving his mercy at every moment through the all important vani connection with His Divine Grace.
[PADA: This is very nice. However, some of the "second generation" of devotees were discussing various events with PADA recently on a web call. And they said it looks to them like -- first of all -- the original Prabhupada devotees were purged out of ISKCON. At least they were taken out of posts of authority and / or having any actual say or input into the affairs of the society.
Then, gradually most of the original devotees were pretty much -- gone. So the GBC relied heavily on the second generation of devotees to run things for some time, especially by fund raising samkirtana. However these second generation devotees were also not really given much post of authority and recognition as managers. They too had very little say, sway or input into the affairs of the society. Gradually, the second wave began to ask too many questions -- and so they were sort of purged out gradually.
Then, the GBC went back to "plan B," to get support from the Hindus. And so these devotees were telling me that right now, there are about Zero original Prabhupada devotees and almost Zero second generation left at their temple, and "the Hindus have taken over."
So they were asking, was this the plan all along from 1978? To get rid of the Western preaching and hand ISKCON off to the Hindus, as a sort of permanent Hindu fund raising operation?
Hee hee, who can say? But it is what they did, planned or not. In any case, yes, the second and third -- and many more generations -- can be connected to Srila Prabhupada. And unless that idea is emphasized, the deterioration of ISKCON will continue into a sort of Hindu-ized hodge podge.
We all agreed. ys pd
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JD: It is very strange ... after the GBC purges out the Prabhupada devotees ... purges out the gurukula student kids ... purges out their own second generation disciples ... brings in their Hindu weddings and car blessings ... and recently their yoga pants ladies classes ... now they are asking ... why is no one signing up to be diksha guru?
ReplyDeleteFirst ... there is no one left. Maybe you should ask one of your yoga pants ladies to start a dog walking business to pay for the temple rent?
What is left of ISKCON? They are very old farts hanging on to power at all costs ... and they are not allowing others to take real management control ... because then they won't have their hands on the cash donation box.
This is really just a business ... and they don't want to hand off their business to anyone else. And everyone else is a threat to their business ... so they have to be weeded out ... by using different tricks. Now they are getting old and they are asking "what will happen when we are gone and only Hindus are managing ISKCON"? They should have asked that in 1978.
They will have to pay in the next life for making a cheating business out of Krishna. Krishna hates this cheating more than even people who eat meat. These guru people are not killing cows ... but they are killing people's souls by making them turn away from Krishna.
Killing souls is way worse than killing cows. That is why they are punished way worse than the karma bound regular souls. The regular person is sinful, but he is not using Krishna as a cheating business... and neither would he ... because he fears the wrath of God. The demons do not fear God because ... they are demons.
And that is why they are cast into lowest species on the lowest planets ... where they can no longer harm others.