Mahatma Das / Gaura Govinda Maharaja / ISKCON Doomed?

 Mahatma's Unknown Guru Species! 

krishna1008: Bogus ISKCON leaders discover more unknown guru species!

PADA: OK first of all -- Mahatma's crew declares that their illicit sex with men, women and children gurus; and drug addicts, drunks, porno swamis, criminals etc. pals -- are God's successors, pure devotees, acharyas, parampara members and sum total of the demigods gurus. Not only that, they say their various deviant gurus -- including their homosexual and pedophile pals -- are fully equals to Jesus, diksha gurus, who can absorb the sins of others. 

Then, after Mahatma's party's alleged "Jesus-like gurus" start to get sick, fall down, go insane, die prematurely, or drown in an ocean of crimes and scandals, his party argues -- their alleged Jesus "took too many sins" -- which is why they are suffering ill results. Ooops! Where did they get their idea that homosexuals / pedophiles and / or deviants are equals to Jesus and can absorb sins like Jesus? Saint Beelzebub told them that? 

And when did Srila Prabhupada say we conditioned souls can act in the capacity of another Jesus, and absorb other's sins? OK he never said that. Rather, he said we are not qualified to absorb the sins of others.

Then, after the fact, or really after most of Mahatma's over 100 alleged "Jesus like messiahs" falls down and creates massive scandals, lawsuits, bad publicity, mass child molesting, assorted beatings, crimes and murders, then -- he starts to wonder -- if any of them are pure. We declared that the hospital janitor can do the job of brain surgeon, now we have to ask -- is the janitor qualified to do the surgery?

"We ISKCON leaders said our guru team is comprised of pure devotees, in fact we insisted on it. And then we started our process of banning, beating, suing, lawsuits, and maybe even murders of dissenters, but maybe we should have originally asked in 1978, 'are any of them pure devotees'?" 

Why didn't Mahatma and his pals ask that question -- before -- they rubber stamped their deviant / criminal / homosexual and / or pedophile pals as pure devotees / gurus / acharyas etc. from square one? Are any of them pure devotees? Well since most of them created a homosexual and pedophile guru system, a system that bans, beats, molests, sues and kills vaishnavas, we would have to say -- nope -- this is not the result of association with pure devotees.  

GIVE HIM A BAD NAME AND KILL HIM

We often tell the story of the wolf and the lamb. “Somehow or other give him a bad name and kill him.”

A wolf was drinking water from a river at the same time as an innocent lamb. The wolf thought, “Somehow or other I must devour that lamb.” The wolf said, “Hey! Don’t you know? Can’t you see that I am drinking water here? Why are you making the water muddy for me? I shall kill you.”

The lamb said, “Oh sir, you are drinking water upstream and I am drinking water downstream. How is it that I am making the water muddy for you?”

“Why did you call me bad names one year ago?”

“Oh sir, I am only three months old. How is it that I called you bad names one year ago?”

“Your mother must have done so. Anyway, I will kill you.”

This is the story of the wolf and the lamb and how all these concocted stories are going around. It illustrates how hatred, speaking ill, and concocting stories arise from intolerance or enviousness. 

You may say, “This devotee is not chanting his rounds! He is not following the regulative principles! He has become a vaiṣṇava, but now he is engaged in illegal and evil activities! 

[PADA: There you have it. If the GBC is engaged in a process of contrived orchestrated banning, beating, molesting, suing and assassinations of vaishnavas -- and who knows what other evil and illegal actions, don't protest! Why should you defend women, children, brahmanas and cows when they are being victimized? Allow the floodgates of evil crimes to overtake ISKCON. Why not?]

"If I remain silent and don’t speak about it then I am giving him the opportunity to commit more and more evil activities! I will be indirectly supporting him, just as if I would say, ‘Yes, do it!’ So in order to do good to him I shall speak to him.”

Now if one subtly analyses such things one can understand that you are simply finding fault with that devotee. But are you perfect yourself? Are there no defects in you? The saying is there, a sieve has many holes and a needle has only one hole. The sieve says, “Oh needle, there is a hole in your back.” 

The needle replies, “You have so many holes. I have only one hole.” But the sieve criticizes the needle. So, one who criticizes should understand whether he himself is perfect or not. Are there no defects in me?” Only if someone is perfect can he find fault with others.

[Srila Gour Govinda Swami Mahārāja]

[PADA: OK but even karmis know that worship of illicit sex deviants is bogus and they won't allow that in their society. That makes the karmis like a sieve ...  making offensive criticism. No, that means the karmis want to regulate their society so that people are only worshiping a pure devotee like Jesus, and not worshiping various pedophiles, drug addicts, porno swamis, deviants, and crooks. Notice that GGM knows that evil crimes are going on among his messiahs, and he does not want us to challenge them.]   

G DASA: The leading ISKCON devotees may think they are beyond normative ethical standards, which insists on ZERO tolerance of any abuse of a child. But they are not. ISKCON as an institution should strive not to avoid ethical protocols, but to be truly emblematic of them!

This kind of antinomian attitude that leading devotees take, that somehow we Krishna Bhaktas are simply exempt from normative ethical principles, will be the doom of ISKCON.

M DASA: I fully agree.

[PADA: Correct. A society that worships illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs is doomed. It won't stand the test of time.] 

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