KRD did say something to the effect that Satsvarupa (SDG) did not know what was going on, which is not what various people from his zone told me. Never mind me and Sulochana personally sent messages to SDG, which he acknowledged receiving. SDG said he was aware of our messages, so evidently -- he did know what was going on because we reported that to him.
SDG was also writing all sorts of post-1980 position papers for the GBC, and that means he was giving all sorts of arguments to defend their regime. Not sure how SDG would "not know" how so many thousands of people were totally burnt out from their regime -- when he was their superstar writing promoter?
However, in addition to our original points, it seems Satsvarupa has also been part of the overall ISKCON breaking up marriages problem, which has been making the children of those marriages vulnerable to exploiting, as happened. Arjuna tells Krishna that the persons who destroy the family system dwell always in hell, and the reasons why -- should be self explanatory. And SDG has been supporting Kirtanananda, where marriage breaking was going on regularly, according to all sorts of people -- including Sulochana, whose marriage was broke up by their regime.
And Srila Prabhupada says when a "guru" has sex with a follower, it is the same as a father having sex with his own daughter. In sum, it is considered as a form of pedophilia. And SDG was apparently having some sort of affair -- and he wrote some crazy book called "Sanatorium" about a person having an affair with his therapist, which seems to be an auto-biography? The husband of the female victim of the affair also says SDG broke up their marriage intentionally, so we do have some eye-witness confirmation on this point.
Of course SDG's whole guru empire evidently contains persons having illicit sex with men, women and children, and maybe cats. And SDG has been a pillar supporter of that system. And to date, Satsvarupa Das Goswami (SDG) has never wrote me any apology for calling our writings "poison pens," which added considerable fuel to aid the molesting process and which was designed to suppress us, and we were suppressed, even violently suppressed.
Satsvarupa wrote many of the early GBC "position papers" starting in 1978, including their horrendous 1980 paper "The Mahajanas Have Difficulties." Sulochana said SDG is "The Joseph Goebbels of ISKCON" (their main policy writer). And SDG went on writing for them for years and years, including writing all sorts of glorification of Kirtanananda -- at the height of all the fanatical process going on in New Vrndavana.
SDG has wrote all sorts of crazy stuff all along. He says he is "the guru of pills." He says he has constant migraine headaches (which is what happens when we become pure devotees)? He was writing about "the colors of the gopis saris," and then a few pages later about his enemas, which even BV Puri said is "worse than any sahajiyas. Even sahajiyas do not write about their passing stools and the gopis in the same book."
SDG says when he attends the GBC meetings all their yelling and arguing gives him a headache. Wow, so when we get to associate with pure devotees, they will be arguing like cats and dogs -- and giving us a headache! I think SDG is mixing barking dogs with pure devotees? He never explains ANY of this. Or where does he?
"I associated with the other pure devotees of God, which is why, I have a migraine headache from all their yelling and arguing"! Of course SDG also writes "The more I chant, the drier it gets." What an advert for chanting the name of God!
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PADA editor already dealt with these issues previously, and KR Dasa needs to rebut them point for point: --
The lady in charge of SDG's school said SDG was specifically told about the abuse and he specifically did not want the police involved. And SDG told everyone involved not to report the abuse to the police.
And she said the abuser had moved into SDG's zone from another zone, where he was already abusing over there. Then the abuser just moved on, with evidently no police report or warning to the next zone he would go to. So they were facilitating the movement of abusers. Or what happened here?
SDG also told a father he would specifically keep an eye on his children -- so they would not be abused. That means SDG knew about the abuse problem. Instead SDG was reported to be holed up in Howard Johnson's Motel watching football, which SDG himself said he was doing, watching football. That means he was not watching the kids he had specifically promised he would watch. Again, SDG did say he was aware there is a molesting problem, so he evidently cannot argue "I did not know." Or what?
SDG also said we are "poison pens" when we were writing about the abuse problem in our newsletters. Sulochana said SDG has been "painting a bull's eye on our backs." So SDG reported that he got our newsletters, that means he was aware that we were exposing these issues.
SDG was also glorifying Kirtanananda -- at the same time KS was sitting on a big seat covered with the hands of maybe 20 boys, and which the CBS news lady told me is -- "pedophile heaven." Sorry, SDG was made aware of these issues by a number of people, including those of us writing to these leaders. Apart from that Kirtanananda was seated on a big gold throne while covered with the hands of many boys in public. Everyone could see that, this was all done in open public, including CBS news filmed this type thing. Or what?
And because we were writing to SDG, he called us poison pens, that means he was well aware of our complaints.
When all this went to court, I was there in Texas, they were a "no show." They did not come, they just had their lawyers come in and submit "no contest." They could not face off with me in court. This is not guilt by association, this is a person who said those of us reporting the abuse are "poison pens," so he could demonize us and suppress our complaint, and Sulochana was suppressed -- fatally. I would have been too, except the FBI was tapping their phones and they caught the people coming to get me before they got to me.
I humbly ask Kirtan Rasa Dasa to find factual flaws in our statements and correct them as required.
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While Krishna's devotees are being banned, beaten,
molested, sued
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I am making whack job art.
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LW: SDG always getting headaches ... and taking pills. Many bogus cults leaders do the same thing ... like Jim Jones. Taking pills to stop their conscience from telling them ... they are great big offenders.
ReplyDeleteSDG is making great pain for others and getting pain reaction ... instead of listening to supersoul / conscience he drowns out the supersoul with pills. This is demoniac activity of cults leaders.
My big wonder all the time ... how does Brahmananda, Gargamuni, Rupanuga, SDG, Hansadutta and all these other "old timers" not already know Kirtanananda tends to be homosexual from the 60s. They do not know K swami has this issue? I find hard to believe. They did not know K swami was making offense to Prabhupada and ... he was part of homosexuals. And then K swami was driving around with little boy on his lap all day ... should be a giant red flag for all of them.
Instead ... it seems they all went along with the bogus gurus to get a piece of the stolen pie ... at the expense of the young boys in that horrendous situation. I don't really think we can blame a single one of them the most ... though SDG is their master mind writer ... all of them conspired to make this. They will all be charged with conspiracy to make pedophile heaven ... and hell for ISKCON and its children. Taking pills will not save them from the reaction awaiting all of them.
All of them should have spoken up and protested ... not just you and Sulochana. You two were just like Abhimanu at Kurukshetra ... surrounded on all sides ... and then they attacked. This is demoniac also. They should never have allowed you and Sulochana to be attacked without coming to assist.
SDG wanted to be a famous guru, writer and artist. He got his wish ... he is famous. Activities all noted famously by Yamaraja's planet. His paintings tell us too. Just look at his hellscape paintings and easily see ... this man is already in hell. Apparently wanted to take ISKCON and its children to hell ... he does not understand that is going to take himself there. Of course SDG never explains why he does all this? Criminals always plead the fifth.
I feel sorry for them. It is like Jesus says ... forgive them Lord ... they know not what they are doing. They are ignorant souls. They knew Krishna was not happy ... so they took pills to drown out Krishna ... that is called ignorance. There is ordinary ignorance and willful ignorance ... and willful is never forgiven ... especially when thousands of children are victims. It is really a Paradise Lost story ... except they really destroyed the real Krishna Paradise and they will be held accountable.
SD DASI: Intoxication makes a person lose the quality of mercy. I think these cult leaders take "psycho-meds" or other intoxicants ... so then they are able to act like gangsters ... with no real feelings of remorse. What else could be the explanation here. They are unable to sense the pain of their victims ... that to me is very plain as day.
ReplyDeleteMy first problem with all these people is ... they are living off the back of the hard work of all the ISKCON people ... all their lives. Because? They are the "managers" of the society.
Except! Under their "managing" ... the society fell off a cliff and descended into ... dangerous criminal mini-cults. Bankrupted on all levels. And we still have to pay these managers for their housing, health care, servants, vehicles, paint studio, bogus publications etc. And meanwhile most householders and their children who were exiled out ... get nothing. No support at all.
This looks to me like a clear cut case of -- criminal's grab Srila Prahbupada's money and buildings and keep it for us few elites ... and get rid of everyone else.
All of us who did their scamkirtan for years have nothing. We were scammed by these people ... and they are not even aware of all the problems they caused for us. They do not feel for others because they have lost their connection to the supersoul. And psycho-med intoxication is one of the signs of these type people. And that is why I keep seeing people talking about "psychopathic narcissism" around ISKCON. Why would this topic keep re-appearing?
Psychopathic narcissism which harms others is very much a punishable crime ... it will take people to the lower dimension ... if they are already not on the lower dimension. The hell scenes art SDG makes ... shows us exactly where his mind is dwelling now. It is almost like an open secret. I am in hell ... and I want you to join me here. What am I missing? How can so many people look at his art and not ... see what is what? This is the art of a psychopathic narcissist ... or an angel from Vaikuntha? And you are not sure which is it!
PADA: Yep MD Dasi, Satsvarupa "does not know" there is a problem, when the public newspapers are posting all sorts of stories of deviations among these gurus all along -- starting in the late 1970s and early 1980s. The Berkeley police are telling me in 1980 "ISKCON is a criminal operation posing as a religion." And the police are making 75 felony arrests and maybe 100 misdemeanor arrests at the temple in a 12 months time span, so crimes are going on over and over, and the temple raid was reported in all the newspapers.
ReplyDeleteOK! The police know what is what, the newspapers know what is what, millions of news readers know what is what, and SDG does not know? A CBS news lady says New Vrndavana is pedophile heaven, worshiping a guy seating on a throne covered with the hands of boys. She knew the whole situation -- in 1/10 of a second. But SDG didn't?
And more to the point -- those of us who know "what is what", and we are reporting these crimes, we are being shunned, banned, removed, exiled, vilified, beaten, chased with baseball bats, called demons and poison pens, sometimes assassinated, and essentially nullified by guys like SDG. OK sometimes our being nullified is permanent, because their program has murdered dissenters.
So their real or de facto policy of banning, beating, and murders of dissenters is designed to suppress ANY complaints from anyone. They are actively suppressing complaints, then claiming they did not know about the content of the complaints? Sorry, when someone says we are poison, that person is trying to get our complaints suppressed, and maybe permanently, which is what happens in their regime.
A devotee said he saw SDG at a meeting and someone handed him a stack of letters (probably many complaints) and he tossed the letters into the trash. He said he could not have his mind disturbed by all these complaints. OK so he does not know what is the problem, when he avoids the people reporting the problems? And SDG never talked to us the whole time and he still does not. SDG did not want to know, and apparently he never did, and he still doesn't.
If he wanted to know what the problem is, he would have had his sevakas chase me down and start communicating. He is avoiding communicating because he does not want to accept responsibility for this suppressing complaints policy, and the odious results.
He cannot say he did not know what the problem is, when those of us reporting the problems are being shunned, banned, beaten, chased with baseball bats, exiled, removed, sued and -- shot to death. Yep, he is trying to smokescreen the real problem, he suppressed us, and that is why he "did not know." Of course suppressing complainants is what happens in all sorts of drug gangs, violent bogus cults, dictatorships, thug regimes, and violent criminal operations.
Suppressing complainants is their top priority. And yes, it is very sad ISKCON still funds these people's lives, after they ruined ISKCON. You are right, it is like promoting the worship of the guys who burnt down the Church and had the children of the Church sent to hell and tortured and abused. I agree! And so do many others.
DD: I don't think I get it yet. Sulochana delivers information about ISKCON's problems to SDG. Sulochana is then identified by SDG as a poison pen. Sulochana says SDG has painted a bull's eye on my back -- by demonizing me. Shortly after that ... Sulochana is dead.
ReplyDeleteIs this not called "shooting the messenger"?
How can SDG complain he did not get the message ... and then "he does not know" ... when the messenger is ... demonized ... and then dead? Someone please pinch me ... I must be dreaming that this makes any sense.
It makes more sense that SDG has been attacking the people informing him about the troubles. And yeah ... we STILL never see SDG coming to ask you what is the real information ... even now. It seems SDG never cared for the real information ... because that exposes his big lies. Or what else can be the real story?
This makes no sense does it? The messenger is dead ... and now their best excuse is ... "I did not get the message." What is wrong with this picture ... I cannot say for sure ... but it looks like someone is trying to cover up their tracks. In the normal world ... when anyone ... especially a criminal ... says a person who is exposing the criminals is poison ... that is a direct or indirect call to take down the person doing the exposing. Am I right or wrong? These people never seem to be able to add 1 + 1 and come to the right answer.