Gaura Govinda Maharaja / BVKS / Who is "The Guru"?

PADA: Thanks for the link JD. Yes. This is an interesting question. When Gaura Govinda maharaja says we need to worship "the guru" -- which guru does he refer to? 

Gaura Govinda maharaja for decades was telling his people to "work with" the other ISKCON GBC's "gurus," and their infrastructure and leadership program -- i.e. to help promote the GBC's worship of illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara. Did I forget to mention GGM's "guru parampara" bans, beats, molests, sues and assassinates Vaishnavas? Is this guru parampara from heaven or hell, you decide!  

And GGM tells us in numerous lectures that we have to surrender to "the guru," a generic non-identified guru. And who is that guru? He never says. Bhakti Vikas swami does the same -- "everyone needs to surrender to a guru." What guru? Do we surrender to a guru from heaven or hell, nobody know! Srila Prabhupada says when people do not mention the name of the guru it is mayavada. OK surrender to "the guru" is mayavada. 

So this is really a sneaky way of telling people to surrender to their illicit sex "guru" parampara, and accept a member of that parampara. And both GGM and BVKS are "2/3 show of hands" voted into that sexual predator's parampara. So even if we accept them as "the guru," we are compromised with their whole debauchee's messiah's process. 

Of course many thousands of people have just walked out of ISKCON to "find the guru" in the Gaudiya Matha and other mathas etc. So this "go find the guru" process is causing ISKCON to become a ghost town. 

This is what Narayan Maharaja says:

PADA: Why have Srila Prabhupada as "the guru" when

Narayan Maharaja has a pocketful of GBC's pedophiles 

to be "the guru"?

And both GGM and BVKS claim their GBC guru process is taking people to God. And some of the remaining followers of GGM are still working hand in glove with the GBC's guru process, still promoting the GBC's guru process even now. And BVKS folks are also affiliated with various GBC guru projects.

GGM and BVKS have been claiming the participants in their GBC's "post-1978 guru parampara" process are Krishna's "gurus." Really? Seems Krishna has become very cheap when -- deviants, perverts and even pedophiles are contained as "links" in Krishna's alleged "guru chain."

After the GBC "reinstated" their "oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham acharya" in 1986, then the GBC "2/3's show of hands" voted in GGM and BVKS as that deviants co-gurus. What exactly is a "oral sex with taxi drivers in the dham -- guru parampara," GGM and BVKS never explain. And why would any saintly person want to be "certified as guru," at the same time that oral sex with taxi drivers is being re-certified as guru?  

And worse, GGM told me in person he has to "cooperate, tolerate and work with" these GBC's "gurus." And worse, GGM tells me that yes, the GBC is making homosexuals and pedophiles into "gurus" because -- "Kali Yuga has entered the highest places of ISKCON." We need to promote "gurus" who are infected with Kali Yuga? Where is any of this stated in shastra? 

And! We need to "tolerate, cooperate and work with" Kali Yuga's infected "gurus"? So all of this is juxtaposing actual bona fide gurus in the actual guru parampara (which includes Krishna) with all sorts of deviants, criminal, perverts, molesters etc. who are also allegedly Krishna's "parampara gurus." GGM and BVKS use the "guru" term very generically all the time. Reminds me when we were in India and some man told Srila Prabhupada "I worship the God only." And Srila Prabhupada was very perturbed, and he said "What God, which God, what God are you talking about"? 

So Krishna is guru, the GBC is guru, they themselves are guru (i.e. those who are voted into the sexual predator's parampara) -- or what? "We need to get the mercy of the guru." OK, but which guru? They are confusing people. And then GGM says sabda brahman does not descend from books and tapes, we need to hear from the living lips guru. Ummm, we need to hear from the lips of homosexuals, pedophiles, criminals, porno swamis, drunks, drug addicts, sexual predators and assorted deviants?

And that is why shastra says the people who "cooperate, tolerate and work" with deviants posing as gurus -- are implicated in the karma of those deviants. In short, false gurus go to the most obnoxious regions, and so do their hand maidens, advocates, cheer leaders, enablers etc. Where does Srila Prabhupada say we have to cooperate, tolerate, and work with -- and promote, the worship of debauchees and deviants as God's successors? And we have to be "2/3 show of hands voted in" to the pedophile's guru's "parampara" program. 

Meanwhile, any ordinary person walking down the street here in San Francisco ALREADY knows that worship of Gaura Govinda Maharaja's / BVKS's "gurus" -- who are perhaps sexual predators, drug addicts, porno swamis, pedophiles and / or deviant messiahs, takes a person to hell -- and not to God. We cannot worship sinful people and become free of sins ourselves. Worse, worship of sinful people takes the worshipers -- and their advocates / defenders / co-operators -- down to the lower regions. 

Therefore the ordinary persons on the street worship Jesus, because they know -- only a pure personality can take their sins. And only a pure person should be offered grace prayers before taking a meal (offering the meal to the pure devotee) etc. There is simply no bona fide reason to promote the worship of debauchees, criminals, predators and deviants as messiahs in human society.   

So GGM / BVKS say "the guru" opens the eyes of the disciples, and they are right, the followers of Jesus are well aware that we cannot worship dubious gurus. Unfortunately, GGM / BVKS never tells us why the GBC's deviated folks are gurus from square one? The mundane people worship a bona fide guru, aka Jesus, and so they have had their eyes opened, thus they know that worship of Gaura Govinda Maharaja's / BVKS's pedophile messiahs is not going to liberate them. 

And worse, they also know that worship of deviants is taking the persons involved in that scam to the lower regions, which would include the shastra defenders of -- the worship of deviants process -- ok like GGM / BVKS. 

Ordinary people know this is the opposite of elevation. So even the mundane people have had their eyes opened by worship of Jesus, and thus they can immediately see that GGM's / BVKS's pedophile's and deviant's guru parampara is a farce at best, and a danger to human society at worst. Which explains why Western people are avoiding and abandoning ISKCON, if not attacking the false current ISKCON.

Then GGM says, the material mental speculators cannot approach God. Also correct. For GGM to speculate that worship of his pedophile's acharyas process takes a person to God is called -- illusion. This is material speculation. There is simply no statement from Krishna anywhere -- where GOD says we have to worship a guru parampara full of deviants -- or their voted in successors -- like GGM or BVKS -- i.e. those who are "voted in" to an illicit sex with taxi drivers in the dham, and pedophiles, perverts, deviants etc. guru parampara. This is called mental speculation. There is no shastric basis to support the worship of deviants as Krishna's guru successors. Nor are deviants, or those voted in by deviants, "the guru."

Then GGM says the process is descending from from higher source. Pedophiles posing as gurus are GGM's "higher source"? GGM's pedophile gurus are descending from the higher plane? Ummm nope, his pedophile gurus are from the lower plane and they are trying to bring us back down to the lower plane with them. It is a case of the blind leading the blind, it is not a guru parampara.

So everyone should worship "the guru." Ummm nope, everyone had to worship the specifically named and identified guru, and offer bhogha to that guru, offer disciples to that guru etc. and we would submit that guru is Srila Prabhupada. In an case worship of Srila Prabhupada is currently not allowed in ISKCON, you have to worship any guru, as long as it is not Srila Prabhupada. That is unfortunately what has happened, which is why so many people think ISKCON has been taken over by Kali yuga, exactly as GGM says it has. ys pd