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Back To Prabhupada, Issue 44, Summer 2014
The Bhagavad-gita teaches that false prestige is a demoniac quality:
"The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent." (Bg., 16.10)
Thus, even the GBC demands that a person be free from false prestige in order to become one of their voted-in gurus:
"4. Must be free from the following undesirable qualities: [...]
b. Pratistha, false prestige and personal ambition".
(GBC Resolution 308, 2010, Mandatory qualification for diksa guru approval)
However, as we shall now demonstrate, the GBC's guru system is actually based on the concept of false prestige. All emphases below are added.
Conditioned gurus
As we have copiously documented, ISKCON's unauthorised guru successors are continually facing spiritual problems. To rationalise such errant behaviour, ISKCON guru and GBC member, HH Sivarama Swami ("SRS"), explains that this is because the guru can be a conditioned soul, subject to karma, and an offender:
"I think there are two circumstances in which we do see spiritual masters getting affected by accepting disciples. First, when the spiritual master is a conditioned soul he has his own anarthas to deal with, and those anarthas certainly don't diminish his own spiritual practices, but they cloud them."
(SRS Podcast, 4/4/14)
[PADA: Accepting disciples (and their sins) does not diminish the guru's practices, but clouds the guru's practices. What? No. A cloud diminishes the sun rays and makes it less sunshine. The cloud covers, obscures, reduces, but does not -- diminish -- the suns rays? Super contrary mumbo jumbo. Of course this means, the GBC are voting in people with anarthas as their gurus. The "guru" who takes sins without qualification will get sick, fall down, or both, or even die.
In short (A) The guru is taking sins from disciples, (B) and this may not diminish his practice, but (C) it may cloud his practice. Word juggling? A neophyte cannot absorb the sins of another neophyte, and if they try to make this arrangement artificially, both go to hell (at least so says shastra).]
"[...] when a spiritual master accepts a disciple he accepts the karma of the disciple. Now let's be clear about that, that the spiritual master doesn't accept 100% of a disciple's karma. I got enough problems with my own karma, what to speak of 100% of the karma of say 500 initiated disciples. [...] But the guru does accept some karma."
(SRS Podcast, 4/4/14)
[PADA: Wait! I am taking the sins of others, maybe 500 others, or maybe thousands of others, but I have enough trouble -- with my own sins? How can a sinful person absorb the sins of another sinful person? I am drowning, so let me have 500 more people hang onto me, and we all will drown together.
And!
The GBC guru does not accept 100% of the ISKCON disciples sins, but how much percent is he taking -- no one seems to know? The conditioned soul guru is struggling with his own sins, that means Sivarama is admitting ISKCON is voting in sinful people as their gurus. He is a guru, he can absorb sins like Jesus, but he is a sinful man himself -- who cannot absolve his own sins, never mind take other's sins. Then they cannot figure out why their system is dysfunctioning.]
Sivaram swami: "So when we are accepting other karma [of our disciples] the clouds become thicker, the anarthas become more stirred up and agitated."
[PADA: Right, the conditioned soul gurus are accepting the sins of others, and that is making their clouds of illusion thicker, making them more agitated, making them more dark -- and in sum -- making them more and more sinful.]
And the overall effect is that it does influence the spiritual life of the guru. The effect appears to be that the spiritual life of the guru diminishes because he's faced now with so much more of a challenge in order to fully benefit from the devotional activities that he performs."
(SRS Podcast, 4/4/14)
[PADA: A guru is a person who is transcendental, and he is not overcome by the material energy.]
"(Niranjana) Maharaja also elaborated on this yesterday, when accepting a disciple actually does diminish or even destroy your devotional creeper. And when is that? When the guru is an aparadhi. If he commits nama-aparadha then his spiritual creeper will be stunted."
(SRS Podcast, 4/4/14)
[PADA: OK so the GBC gurus are falling down left, right and center because they are nama aparadhis. Why is the GBC rubber stamping them as gurus? However, as soon as a neophyte takes the post of another Jesus he is already committing the sin of guru-aparadha, nama-aparadha etc. -- or taking the place of guru.]
Pretend they are pure
Thus, SRS has clearly explained that ISKCON gurus are very likely to be conditioned souls full of anarthas and karma. However, the system in ISKCON is that such gurus should always be treated as if they are pure devotees, regardless of their actual spiritual standing:
"Once having accepted a spiritual master of course, one does not go around with the consciousness that my spiritual master is a kanistha-adhikari or a madhyam-adhikari, but rather as is being stated here, quoting Mahanidhi Swami, that the disciple thinks 'saksad-haritvena samasta-sastrair': the spiritual master is as good as God.
Whatever the actual spiritual advancement of the spiritual master, but, for him to be worshiped as guru, guru means 'saksad-hari'. He has to receive the same respect that one would give to the Supreme Lord. And of course because the Supreme Lord is 'uttamasloka', therefore one would worship the spiritual master and deal with him in the same way as one would deal with a uttama-adhikari."
(SRS Podcast, 23/6/14)
"When a junior guru, spiritually junior guru, is sincere and strictly follows his spiritual master, the predecessor Acaryas and Krsna, doesn't deviate from the path of devotional service, then a devotee should worship that person as the Supreme Lord".
(SRS Podcast, 23/6/14)
"[...] there may be so many other types of personality traits or even lack of realization that may be there within a spiritual master. But still saksad-hari. Still he has to be treated as good as God, otherwise the process doesn't work."
(SRS Podcast, 11/1/09)
False honour = False prestige
Thus, SRS is clearly stating that ISKCON's guru system is based on:
a) Falsely accepting that a person is an uttama-adhikari (topmost devotee), regardless of his actual spiritual level. Srila Prabhupada states that this is the definition of false prestige:
"So these are the signs of false prestige. [...] The result is that I am accepting something which is false."
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture, 31/1/69)
b) Giving honour to personalities as though they are as good as the Supreme Lord, even though this is not their actual level of advancement, i.e. they are accorded a false honour. And this must be done because otherwise the "process doesn't work". But Srila Prabhupada has not taught that someone who may even be a kanistha-adhikari (neophyte) should be worshipped as good as God. Rather, he has stated that only those who are actually on the topmost level should be worshipped as being on the topmost level:
"When one has attained the topmost position of maha-bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru."
(Cc., Madhya-lila, 24.330)
Therefore, SRS is putting forward a false religious principle -- that those who are not maha-bhagavatas should be worshipped as if they are maha-bhagavatas -- so that through artificial means a false honour is created for them. Srila Prabhupada states that such behaviour is characteristic of the demoniac, induced by false prestige:
"Induced by pride and false prestige, they create some principles of religion which are not approved by the Vedic injunctions. Although such demoniac people are most abominable in the world, still, by artificial means, the world creates a false honor for them."
(Bg., 16.10)
Conclusion
The ISKCON guru system has institutionalised a system whereby dozens of ISKCON gurus and their thousands of disciples combine to generate false prestige. The system is, therefore, actually demoniac in nature.
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PADA: Meanwhile a follower of Narayan Maharaja keeps sending me info on the alleged bogus science being used to prevent the virus from spreading. He says the prevention process is worse than the actual virus. And he wants me to post links to all sorts of alleged virus info sites.
[So! I said to him] -- Meanwhile one devotee lady recently died of cancer, a young mother, and another young mother has cancer and is critical condition. And thus, I am in fact reporting cancer devotee cases it seems every few days on my blog, with calls for prayers or for financial assistance -- or both -- including recently Locan and others. And I don't report all of them all the time -- so as not to make that the main theme.
That is because for starters, the ISKCON gurus are not taking people's karma, and thus the mass of devotees are sharing in the karma of these bad leaders, and it is having fatal results. This cancer process is a way worse problem for the Vaishnavas right now than the virus problem. Why are the devotees focused on the virus problem, which kills a few devotees here and there, whereas the cancer epidemic has been the biggest cause of death among devotees for over a decade.
Even Shivarama swami says their gurus are suffering from taking karma and the followers are not getting all their karma cleared because their gurus are not able to absorb these sins -- and the gurus are failing from taking karma -- whole thing is cheating. And the unresolved accumulated sins in and around the entire society -- is therefore -- killing people just for being around the epidemic.
And that is the result of GBC / Narayana Maharaja telling conditioned souls to give their karma to another conditioned soul, both of them go to hell. The disciples are not liberated, and the guru is not either, and then the disciples are getting cancer left, right and center and the gurus are falling left, right and center. NM's idea is making people suffer and die.
MD: This document is a serious warning to all. With lots of various sources included; not just claims, but direct evidence. Despite being so shocking, it's still fully realistic and very much informative. Kali-yuga is known to be a dark time, but it has an exceptionally dark hour just now. A must watch.
PADA: OK, except most devotees are not suffering from the virus problem, or the so-called various cures for that problem. Rather they are trending towards getting cancer, evidently because -- they have shared the evil karma of these evil gurus. And then cancer is their number one cause of death right now, as it has been for more than a decade.
For example one young lady ex-kuli -- not yet 40 years old -- got serious levels of cancer, something is very wrong with that. And none of these "virus is the problem" people even mention the cancer issue, because they want to protect the GBC's and Narayana Maharaja's bogus program of having people sharing evil karma with bogus gurus, which is killing people self-evidently. There is a karma reaction to promoting or acquiescing with false gurus, again self-evident.
They never mention the real main cause of death for devotees, because they are protecting this karma sharing with evil process. The disciples are getting cancer because they are sharing evil karma with their evil gurus, no one ever mentions ... I know why ... they are promoting that evil system. Of course there are subsequent other deaths for the same reason, which are things like alcohol poison, drug overdose, suicide, and so on, but all related to the evil core problem.
MD: The real cause is extremely deadly poison in the virus cure, individual ignorance, tamogun of the people.
PADA: Devotees were already having a cancer epidemic before the virus emerged. Cancer is killing more of the devotees, not the virus issue. Every few days I post another cancer incident, very few virus incidents. Cancer problem is the real problem.
Narayana Maharaja got these people to give their karma to evil people and it back fired. Narayan Maharaja is spreading lies that evil people can take karma, so I have posted maybe a hundred cancer stories just in 2021 alone. People are going to get bad karma for worshiping deviants, or for being in the shakti / karma of that society.
Even Jadurani is saying the ritviks are bogus, because we know conditioned souls are not gurus. Her program is creating a cancer epidemic -- for devotees. The idea that conditioned souls can take karma is destroying the perps and the victims, and many people associated with that evil process, which is why shastra says conditioned souls guru go to hell and so do the followers.
And that is why they are getting cancer and even NM got cancer, he was told by his guru not to initiate and take karma ... is it all catching up now. ys pd
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