PADA: Rasamandala das (Ross Andrew) discusses with Chaitanya Charan das, who is a leader of the ISKCON "Shastra Advisory Committee" (SAC) in India. And they have been discussing things like -- ethics, morality, integrity and etc. Good idea!
Right now, there seems to be an "ethics and morality" debate schism problem in ISKCON. We have had the ISKCON India's management committee (ICC) type folks disagreeing with the North American ISKCON Governing Body (GBC) -- over whether or not to keep a known pedophile in the post of an ISKCON guru, literally, a successor to God. The India managers team have said they -- favor -- (if not insist) keeping their known pedophile guru in the post of God's successor guru, while the North America committee folks have said they wanted to see ISKCON's pedophile guru -- at least -- put on some form of suspension or censuring.
Of course, placing God's alleged successor messiah "on suspension" and censuring for being a pedophile does not sound very ethical, moral, or full of integrity. The guru successor to God is as pure as God, according to scripture, which leaves no wriggle room to place deviants if not sexual predators of children in the post of God's successor. Meanwhile, the India management board ICC does not even want their pedophile guru to be suspended, censured or contained in any manner. He should be given a free pass.
And of course there have been ongoing other disputes -- for example over whether or not the ISKCON India management should be allowed to be burying other known pedophiles and pornography swamis in "samadhis" in the holy land in India -- as their members have done -- and so forth.
My friends in India are actually totally appalled that a known pedophile -- whose dissenters were sometimes murdered -- would be allowed to be buried in India's holy spot. And meanwhile the same ISKCON "successors to God" program created a $400,000,000 child molesting lawsuit in the USA for mass child abuse. And they pleaded no contest in court.
And then again, there has been a lot of "ethical debate" over whether the GBC is authorized to promote a "chain of gurus from God" that contains known homosexuals, pedophiles, sexual predators, drunks, criminals, orchestrators of murders of dissenters and etc. And the GBC's spokesman Jayadvaita swami has sort of summed up that their whole post-1978 "chain of gurus from God" contains -- "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children."
So this begs the question, is an illicit sex with men, women and children "chain of gurus from God" ethical? Moral? A display of integrity? Or is this a deviation? And if little children are being essentially coerced into worshiping the ISKCON GBC's various illicit sex with men, women and children deviants and debauchees as their "messiahs from heaven," is this not a criminal problem -- of corrupting the morals of minors?
No doubt this will emerge as a big debate among future religion scholars, history scholars, Indian sages and sadhus etc. -- why did the ISKCON GBC make illicit sex with men, women and children debauchees and deviants into "God's guru successors"? And why were some of these deviants buried in samadhis, which is only reserved for the purest devotees of God? And why did the ISKCON management allow many ISKCON citizens to be banned, beaten, sued, and maybe assassinated -- simply because they refused to worship pedophiles as God's successors?
And that is why some people from UK wrote to tell me these ISKCON GBC people are the "Jimmy Savile guru chain" which of course begs the question, is a Jimmy Savile guru parampara actually authorized by God? And it is ethical, at all?
Anyway, we'd love to hear what Chaitanya Charan and Rasamandala have to say on these topics and they can write me @ angel108b@yahoo.com to comment. ys pd
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Rasamandala das (Ross Andrew)
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SD: Seems like the ethical question of the century ... should little children be forced by ISKCON's leaders ... to worship pedophiles as their "eternal guru parampara links to God"? And can anyone explain exactly what are "pedophiles in samadhi"? Really?
ReplyDeleteSeems to me ... no one wants to give the "ethical and moral" answer from the ISKCON side. And now ... we cannot help notice ... ISKCON's Bhakti Chaitanya swami is laughing and joking about the whole issue. Seems to think ... having children worship pedophiles as the children's gurus is hilarious. It is slapstick comedy fun. Is that ethical and moral?
I don't think any of them have any idea what is ... ethical and moral ... any more. They seem to have lost their moral compass somewhere along the way.
Making children worship pedophiles as their gurus seems to be something made up at the Q-anon Illuminati site ... but maybe this time ... it is not being made up. The ISKCON GBC really are making children worship pedophiles as their gurus .... for real. This would make these people ... devoid of any "ethics" whatever.
It is amazing ... the Q-anon people missed the mark ... they could not find the actual Satanic pedophile cult. At least we have found it ... so we can shun it ... and save at least some children from getting into their hands. Is a Satanic child molesting cult ethical and moral? That is what we are down to debating now? Really? It truly is Kali yuga.
S. Dasi. I am going to write a questions the college and send them this link. I wonder what "official policy" on pedophile gurus is at the Divinity college? Let us find out!
ReplyDelete[PADA: Yes actually it is "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophiles as messiahs program," which forces little children to worship pedophiles as their "eternal gurus who are as pure as Jesus." Yes, we should ask what is the policy on that issue. Good idea. ys pd]
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PADA: Thanks mother D. Yes, none of these people ever really responds, which is not something we should be morose about. It means, they have no good response. We caught them with their hands in the cookie jar. "Silence means acceptance or defeat." So now, lets expose them. And we are, and we are getting more folks on the expose team every day. You should not worry too much about their response or not response. We should just do our job, expose them, and let them worry about how to respond. Krishna tried to talk to the Kauravas, they never responded, so next step ... expose and defeat them.
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