He is another diksha guru / aka Jesus like messiah!
PADA: Did I forget to mention? Mr. Naismith's "chain of messiahs from God" contains illicit sex with men, women and possibly children -- according to one of their ISKCON spokesmen / co-messiahs named Jayadvaita swami! And various folks in Bhakti Chaitanya Swami's (Richard Naismith's) illicit sex with men, women and children messiah's program have "2/3 show of hands" voted in more messiahs, ok like Bhakti Chaitanya swami aka Richard Naismith!
Bhakti Chaitanya's program has been coercing little children to worship his other pedophile messiah's pals -- causing perhaps several thousand of these children to be abused, if not beaten and molested (and causing a $400,000,000 lawsuit against his program in Dallas courts). And then there was the depression, drugs, and suicides of various victims.
Now, another one of his pedophile co-messiahs (also advertised as another diksha guru aka another Jesus) has been under scrutiny for being a PEDOPHILE. And Mr. Naismith refuses to make a ruling to REMOVE that pedophile from the post of ISKCON's worshiped messiah, never mind he is evidently listed as the current vice chair of the executive committee of ISKCON. And we personally know the VICTIM of his pedophile messiah, so we have this story fully validated.
Did we forget to mention, there is a video of Bhakti Chaitanya swami laughing and giggling while discussing his pedophile messiah's project, like child molesting is some sort of comedy club program? According to some of the other "gurukula" victims of Mr. Naismith's program -- possibly several thousand children were abused or molested. And now, despite knowing how much damage their pedophile gurus project causes children, they cannot get rid of -- another one of their pedophile messiahs?
And this swami made "a temple of understanding" in Durban S. Africa.
What is the understanding? That people who are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children are contained in "a chain of messiahs from God"? Why are they teaching that odious deviation to little children in S. Africa, or anywhere else, that a chain of messiahs from God contains various and assorted debauchees, homosexuals, sexual predators, drunks, drug addicts, and even -- pedophiles? What kind of chain of messiahs is that?
And now, they evidently cannot even remove one of their KNOWN pedophile messiahs, and so their pedophile messiah continues to be worshiped as "another Jesus like saint." Why are they teaching little children to worship pedophiles as Jesus-like saints at all, ever? And some of the followers of their pedophile guru told me -- their guru is taking our sins, ok he is another Jesus. How are pedophiles equals to Jesus, and they can absorb sins like Jesus?
Of course one of their other gurus was "taking sins (like Jesus)" according to his followers reports to me. And then their messiah's head got chopped off by a disgruntled disciple -- because their messiah was having illicit sex with followers. And this is all part and parcel of "a guru chain from heaven"? And yes, they had little children worshiping that bogus sexual predator messiah as well.
And why does Mr. Naismith not answer our questions on this issue?
Oh, I forgot, it might be because -- he is evidently always on the phone with other members of his illicit sex with men, women and children messiahs program, talking to the other messiahs about the glories of they anus sex epidemic of children messiahs program!
Why do people who promote pedophiles as messiahs, think they are also messiahs? Anyway, now he is building a fancy apartment for himself over there, so he will be able to preach the glories of his pedophile messiahs project down there in S. Africa. Of course this begs the question, is not teaching little children to worship a "chain of gurus" that contains pedophiles -- as their messiahs -- criminally corrupting and contaminating the morals of children, which is a crime in most places?
[PADA: Written at the behest of a devotee in S. Africa who wanted to have a link to these comments.]
A few points made in this podcast that stood out for me:
1: The ISKCON worldwide child Protection Office receives yearly ten thousand dollars from the GBC. These funds are collected from temples and individuals around the world. In the UK alone the GBC pay two million pounds in wages for the ISKCON temples. So two million pounds in wages for the UK alone and only ten thousand dollars for the worldwide Child Protection Office.
2: Dhira Govinda Prabhu points out that when he was the International Director of the Child Protection Office he welcomed the input from any ISKCON members including leaders. But input from the leaders was often dark, corrupt, behind the back manipulative shadowy stuff.
3: Dhira Govinda Prabhu explains that after resigning as the International Director of ISKCON’s Child Protect Office he received growing reports of child abuse in the ISKCON school in Mayapur. When he contacted the new International Director expressing his concerns, especially considering the long history of child abuse in Mayapur, the new director replied, “what history of child abuse in Mayapur?”
But actually there has been generations and generations of violent rape in Mayapur and yet her reply was, “what history of child abuse in Mayapur?”
4: Saraswati Mataji informs us that recently one ISKCON guru told his disciples that the children claiming child abuse were simply making up stories. In response to this Dhira Govinda Prabhu says, “This is very painful for me to hear, very painful.”
This is also very painful for anyone to hear who is aware of the service Dhira Govinda Prabhu has done not only in dealing directly with these cases but also helping the victims deal with their trauma. It was painful to see Dhira Govinda Prabhu’s reaction and sadly shows the darkness still remaining within ISKCON, despite so many devotees sincere endeavours to shine light in the direction of child protection.
5: Considering the past and present mentality of the leaders of ISKCON one may conclude that these leaders are keeping the movement in darkness.
[PADA: This is a good summary analysis. They defund the child protection managers office and staff. They also removed a child protection manager in Mayapur and replaced that manager with a new one who says -- "what history of child abuse"? -- because they are in a constant state of re-writing their history. And that is all designed to sweep the child abuse under the carpet, as has been done.
Then they place Bhakti Chaitanya swami in charge of dealing with their pedophile guru problem, but he evidently does not even know that pedophiles are not Krishna's guru successors? So he wants to hand off making a decision on their pedophile gurus to "the panel," which a woman just wrote to tell PADA is -- a panel that "does not even exist." It is another stalling technique. And it is not a panel that can over ride the India ICC board either, also seems to be the case.
Meanwhile, a video of Bhakti Chaitanya swami giggling and laughing at their child molester guru program shows -- many of them evidently think the whole issue of child abuse is a joke -- the whole while. And his giggling and laughing video has infuriated a number of PADA readers, one of whom said -- while our children are getting their anuses ruptured, these guys are grabbing the popcorn to watch the show while laughing? Which is why someone else said, "It is hideous and monstrous what they are doing."
OK so what does all this mean?
It means, there is no effective "Child Protection" in the current ISKCON society -- and there never has been under these current managers. The whole idea of protecting children is some sort of Benny Hill comedy show for these guys. The main thing they take seriously is -- their income and money. And that is why they need to keep Lokanath, because if they remove him, they will lose people -- and their income from those people. That is their whole focus, how do we get more money, and keep our existing money coming in?
How will they keep their fancy living facility with servants, nice car, nice Apple laptop, paid health care, if their income is disturbed? So this whole thing is a business. And it is described in the Isopanisad as "a guru business."
And so, thinking they are going to make a proper CPO, or a nice new panel, or any system to correct things is -- dreaming in color. We need to stop trying to fix what will never be fixed. We need to do what PADA has been doing all along, expose them and if possible, sue them. That is the only thing we can do to fix this situation.
And the good news is, more people are realizing that is the case. The ISKCON GBC as a group are corrupt -- to the core. They are incorrigible, they are fixed in their ways, and they are not going to change. We have to change the situation around them, not through them. And it is sad that someone like Hanuman has to come out and complain -- while many of my God brothers sit around joking and laughing, with the people who are joking and laughing at the child abuse problem. So we need to quit worrying about changing these guys, and make our own process of dealing with this TOTALLY INDEPENDENT of the whole rotten lot of them.
That is the only thing that will be effective, and it is being effective. Our expose is drying up their fan club, and getting more people to start to worship the bona fide acharya instead, and that is why we must continue on our own independent path, and jettison the lot of them and move on with our own independent process. ys pd]
R Dasi (is feeling broken). I will no longer be affiliated with ISKCON!!! I will not raise my children in a society that protects child abusers to uphold THEIR IMAGE!! I will not support a society that has taken the livelihood of my brothers & sisters and myself.
Time and time again we have been let down, left to walk this earth with our inner child shattered by the horrific atrocious abuse (rape, sexual abuse, psychological torture, starvation and worse). This society took so much from us and continually keep those abusers in power & high steam. My mental well being is tired, my soul is broken, the words of those who fight this fight fall upon deaf ears. THERE'S no support!! With a society that is worth Millions there's NOT A PENNY TO HELP PAY FOR THERAPY FOR THOSE WHO WERE ABUSED BY ISKCON MEMBER.
[PADA: Yep, we have to be independent, expose them to prevent further victims, and help the existing victims. Going to them to petition their help is like asking a rattlesnake to watch your baby kittens. Not a good plan!]
B Dasi: Basu Ghosh is not only attacking the victims, he is defending the perps. And that is why the GBC puts him in charge of everything all the time.
[PADA: Good job Hanuman dasa. Yes, we ISKCON leaders need to keep pedophiles in the post of guru -- which is how thousands of children were molested in ISKCON -- and they were sued for $400,000,000. And yes, Bhakti Chaitanya swami is laughing -- because for them -- their pedophile gurus are some sort of big hilarious joke. Of course, not much of a joke for the victims. Yep, pedophiles are gurus, and it is a Benny Hill comedy hour show.
This laughing and joking at their pedophile gurus is infuriating for some of PADA's readers, especially some of the women. Never mind how some of the molesting victims are cursing at them. It is very clear. Behind the scenes, many big GBC leaders think promoting pedophiles as the gurus for the children to worship is -- a comedy show. One of these infuriated women wants to write to Cambridge University to see what their policy on pedophile messiahs is? That should be interesting.
And then, instead of just saying "ok pedophile gurus won't be allowed in ISKCON," they have to "make a panel to discuss all this." So what is the actual value of the Child Protection Office (CPO) -- if it has to be under the review of these people -- who are joking and laughing about their pedophile gurus program? Oh yea, children are being molested, hah hah hah. Really infuriates many of our readers, and for good reason.
And Lokanath has to voluntarily stop initiating, which means they won't step in and deal with the issue themselves. And he can keep all his disciples, and continue on as a big leader. So where is the justice?
And Hanuman says the USA women are taking the leadership on dealing with this, because they are mostly mothers and they don't want their children to be molested and then have a "hands off the molester" process. Anyway, this is all stalling tactic.
And people are finally having enough of it. So when we said pedophiles are not gurus in 1980s, it has taken some time, but now -- all of a sudden a lot of other people are coming out of the woodwork to agree with us. And the missing link is, the India committee. Ooops, the committee that says they will keep Lokanath.
Anyway, the GBC creates their own Frankenstein monsters because they tolerate nonsense people in the role of acharya, and for decades. Now they cannot control the monsters -- they created themselves. So they got rid of the CPO de facto, by over riding them with our own panel.
So it is all show bottle. Anyway, just the fact that they are laughing and joking about all this pretty much sums up -- what the problem has been all along. They were laughing and joking at me when I said we have to get rid of Jayatirtha, in 1979. They just wave off the problems generated by their bogus messiahs as some sort of joke, and then later on, it comes back to bite them. Anyway, this really exposes them, and Hanuman does a good commentary here.
Yes, this is perhaps the most valuable video in the history of post 1978 ISKCON, pedophiles are God's successor gurus, hah hah hah, big hilarious joke. Let us see what happens next! Stay tuned.
PADA: Rasamandala das (Ross Andrew) discusses with Chaitanya Charan das, who is a leader of the ISKCON "Shastra Advisory Committee" (SAC) in India. And they have been discussing things like -- ethics, morality, integrity and etc. Good idea!
Right now, there seems to be an "ethics and morality" debate schism problem in ISKCON. We have had the ISKCON India's management committee (ICC) type folks disagreeing with the North American ISKCON Governing Body (GBC) -- over whether or not to keep a known pedophile in the post of an ISKCON guru, literally, a successor to God. The India managers team have said they -- favor -- (if not insist) keeping their known pedophile guru in the post of God's successor guru, while the North America committee folks have said they wanted to see ISKCON's pedophile guru -- at least -- put on some form of suspension or censuring.
Of course, placing God's alleged successor messiah "on suspension" and censuring for being a pedophile does not sound very ethical, moral, or full of integrity. The guru successor to God is as pure as God, according to scripture, which leaves no wriggle room to place deviants if not sexual predators of children in the post of God's successor. Meanwhile, the India management board ICC does not even want their pedophile guru to be suspended, censured or contained in any manner. He should be given a free pass.
And of course there have been ongoing other disputes -- for example over whether or not the ISKCON India management should be allowed to be burying other known pedophiles and pornography swamis in "samadhis" in the holy land in India -- as their members have done -- and so forth.
My friends in India are actually totally appalled that a known pedophile -- whose dissenters were sometimes murdered -- would be allowed to be buried in India's holy spot. And meanwhile the same ISKCON "successors to God" program created a $400,000,000 child molesting lawsuit in the USA for mass child abuse. And they pleaded no contest in court.
And then again, there has been a lot of "ethical debate" over whether the GBC is authorized to promote a "chain of gurus from God" that contains known homosexuals, pedophiles, sexual predators, drunks, criminals, orchestrators of murders of dissenters and etc. And the GBC's spokesman Jayadvaita swami has sort of summed up that their whole post-1978 "chain of gurus from God" contains -- "illicit sex with men, women and possibly children."
So this begs the question, is an illicit sex with men, women and children "chain of gurus from God" ethical? Moral? A display of integrity? Or is this a deviation? And if little children are being essentially coerced into worshiping the ISKCON GBC's various illicit sex with men, women and children deviants and debauchees as their "messiahs from heaven," is this not a criminal problem -- of corrupting the morals of minors?
No doubt this will emerge as a big debate among future religion scholars, history scholars, Indian sages and sadhus etc. -- why did the ISKCON GBC make illicit sex with men, women and children debauchees and deviants into "God's guru successors"? And why were some of these deviants buried in samadhis, which is only reserved for the purest devotees of God? And why did the ISKCON management allow many ISKCON citizens to be banned, beaten, sued, and maybe assassinated -- simply because they refused to worship pedophiles as God's successors?
And that is why some people from UK wrote to tell me these ISKCON GBC people are the "Jimmy Savile guru chain" which of course begs the question, is a Jimmy Savile guru parampara actually authorized by God? And it is ethical, at all?
Anyway, we'd love to hear what Chaitanya Charan and Rasamandala have to say on these topics and they can write me @ angel108b@yahoo.com to comment. ys pd
Matthew Mcgovern: I met you in San Francisco, your speculation about Jayatirtha, and your insults of Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhara Deva Goswami are offensive and untrue. I can tell by your giggle that you seem to get off in criticizing devotees, your stories are heresay and untrue, but you must get some pay off with your stories. You were full of sh*t back then in san francisco, and still spouting your speculative stories.
PADA: OK for starters, we have no idea what specific "Jayatirtha stories" you want us to correct? We may have some specific details wrong here or there, ok perhaps, but our overall "Jayatirtha story" is correct because -- there are many others who validated these "stories." If you want a specific detail corrected, let me know and we can work on it from there.
However, if PADA says -- hey! That it is you, yourself, looking lovingly at NM, the biggest cheer leader of Tamal's -- "pedophile sex webs, nests and rings" -- guru program, and all we have to do is look at the photo above? That is you, according to -- you. What am I missing here?
And NM has been giving "rasika classes" to his Texas based pedophile guru's program, mixing their "Tamal's pedophile sex acharya's program" with NM's "rasika" program. This is all well documented? And thus, we had to have Tamal's and NM's rasika / pedophile sex program sued in the Dallas courts in Texas for $400,000,000. Again, this is all well documented with numerous accounts from ex-children, newspaper accounts, court documents etc.?
And you ilk guys saying my complaints about the pervasive child molesting is "all lies" is what enabled all the pervasive child molesting to take place from square one. And! That is why we had to take your Tamal and NM's entire regime -- into the courts -- in the first place? And then -- the Dallas courts agreed with me -- yep! As a matter of FACT! Your guy's program is a pedophile sex process, and that is why your people pleaded "no contest" in the court. All this is well documented.
Thus! Tamal has been the leader of the GBC's pedophile sex guru lover's program, and NM has been Tamal's constant sevaka lap dog, advertised as "eternal associates." Well yup, the pedophile guru lover's club will stay connected, maybe not eternally, but a least for many eons of time. Why would anyone want to be advertised as the "eternal associates" and "rasikas" of their pedophile sex guru's program? And why do none of your folks ever explain how "Krishna's gopi rasika" and "NM's pedophile sex gurus program" can be blended and juxtaposed into one parampara process?
** Jayatirtha was evidently taking drugs and having illicit sex with a follower in 1979. This was the subject of all sorts of big "emergency GBC meetings," and the leaders at UK Bhaktivedanta Manor confirmed to me that this was going on at the time. I personally witnessed Jayatirtha screaming on his Vyasa seat, quite evidently -- stoned on drugs.
One of the UK's big leaders told me he went to Los Angeles to notify the other GBC that there was ALSO illicit sex going on -- in addition to drugs going on. Pretty sure this story has been validated by a number of sources. Of course JT was later on -- murdered -- by a disgruntled follower -- evidently -- for having illicit sex with a female follower. All this was in all the newspapers.
Why would I need to re-validate what is common public newspaper info? It was said he was having illicit, and he was then murdered -- for having illicit sex. And you guys encouraging him is why he was killed, because you guys poured petrol on the whole pedophile-pada worship process, which expanded and fomented the whole fanatical cult. You are all guilty of making the cult machine that caused his death.
*** The GBC had a big meeting with us where they told us JT had been taking drugs in Vrndavana, offered to him by "some bogus sahajiyas," and he fell into their program. Again, Jayatirtha's drug use was confirmed to us by others, including the top GBC's leaders at the time. Srila Prabhupada says -- illicit sex and drugs gurus are bogus sahajiyas -- and they are gliding to hell, and taking their followers with them. Sorry, this is not my complaint, it is coming from the acharya.
*** Srila Prabhupada ALSO says when a guru has sex with a follower -- it is the same as a father having sex with his daughter i.e. it is pedophile sex. That makes Jayatirtha a pedophile by the standards established by the acharya. You are not really arguing with me, but with the acharya.
Of course, even the common man knows that when a guru is having sex with a follower -- he is exploiting his superior position -- because the guru is de facto -- a fatherly figure. OK again -- de facto PEDOPHILE. Oddly the JT people are very upset with me for saying that JT is a pedophile -- or de facto he is -- but I am simply quoting the acharya. And JT was killed for his sexual predatory behavior, so my complaint has been validated -- ten million percent. Or what?
But! Why are they upset with the words of the acharya? If Jayatirtha is a pedophile or de facto one, then anyone who is worshiping him is worshiping a pedophile, and that is what Srila Prabhupada says is taking them ALL to hell. Again, not my idea exclusively, also the acharya's idea. Of course JT was part of the whole GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru sampradaya process, so his gurus are doing the hokey pokey with anyone in the house, except maybe not the family's dog? And that is why someone from UK recently told me, you guys are the Jimmy Savile's guru parampara, or worse because you are posing as spiritual people and he was not.
And Sridhar Maharaja said "none should protest." Why does Sridhar Maharaja defend his illicit sex with men, women and children guru's parampara, that bans, beats, molests, sues and -- kills us dissenters? And SM promoted a false guru in 1936, that ALSO had people banned, beaten, sued and -- assassinated in the 1940s. Documented in numerous examples by Srila Prabhupada.
Why does anyone want this history repeated? Sridhar already knows we will be banned, beaten, sued and killed -- and he wants -- more of same. Did we forget to mention the child of Sridhara's guru was poisoned to death -- to cover up the scandal that his wife was a prostitute. And then their guru -- committed suicide after finding the child was dead. What kind of guru parampara is Sridhara Maharaja making for the world over here.
And I am "making offenses," which is how they demonize people -- to have them get beaten and killed. Sridhara Maharaja has no authority to help promote a pedophile guru process, that is called demoniac in the Vedas -- and even -- by any ordinary man on the street. It is sinful, full stop period. And Sridhara Maharaja / NM and no one else has any authority to promote such an odious process which victimizes the innocent, includes small children. And then NM says, well the ISKCON children are just getting karma. What? He is authorized to give children his pedophile sex guru's karma process, by what authority.
*** Jayatirtha started a drug selling program, according to a number of sources. And we knew personally some of his people here in San Francisco area. And they were in his program. And they told me they were distributing "designer drugs" to fund their "peace Krishnas" program.
One of these JT followers was arrested here for pulling out a gun in the Berkeley theater and demanding the lady actress get off the stage and "go out with him on a date." The police later told me, they suspected he was stoned on designer drugs, and that is why they did not shoot him right on the spot. So, even the police knew the JT program has been a designer drugs cult. And the police told me that themselves. No, the police are not lying, they know the whole thing that has been going on here.
*** The JT "Peace Krishnas" came to Berkeley temple and some of them said they wanted to "get me." Luckily for me -- some Hansadutta people came to my defense and they told JT people not to touch me -- or they would get shot because -- the Hansadutta people had the guns. So the JT program is not only an illicit sex and evidently pedophile guru sex and drugs program, it is a violent cult, as we eye-witnessed ourselves. As soon as they see a Vaishnava, they want to beat or kill that Vaishnava, as we eye-witnessed ourselves.
*** Jayatirtha's UK zone went bankrupted because he had siphoned off too much manpower, and they had to give up Croome court because he ruined the economy of his zone. Pretty much well documented, because I was there when they got Croome court. So he wanted people in ISKCON to either worship his sex and drugs program, or have ISKCON become demolished. And he did demolish ISKCON. I told him to make the UK a Prabhupada worship zone, and he was not interested in the slightest.
*** Jayatirtha took sannyasa, after Srila Prabhupada had just said "no more sannyasa." And he ruined the life of his then wife Manjuali in so many respects in the process, as she was very upset by the whole thing according to people whom she spoke with. So your program is like an army tank driving over the citizens, including your own family's member citizens.
Why? All so that JT could help the GBC establish his worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God's guru successors process. And then they could get little children to worship pedophiles as their messiahs, at least that has been the self evident process all along.
And thus, JT wanted all of our ISKCON children to worship his illicit sex guru's program, so he could self evidently corrupt the morals of children by having them worship deviants and pedophiles as their messiahs. I was one of the people who objected to that, so I know that is a valid complaint. Why does JT want little children to worship his pedophile pals as their messiahs, or worship himself, another sexual predator posing as a messiah? And why are you defending -- any of this process, or its top leaders?
And JT did help establish the pedophile messiah's process, which is how the mass molesting resulted. And then later on Narayan Maharaja was recruited to be the GBC's illicit sex messiah's hand maiden apologist, enabler, and defender, after they eventually had to jettison JT because he was too self evidently a cheater -- even for them.
*** Indeed! Jayatirtha's whole 11 GBC gurus program was having illicit sex with men, women and children. That has been verified by many sources. Jayatirtha was actively promoting his pedophile guru process, again verified by many folks. And after they lost JT, they recruited Narayan Maharaja to be their bucket boy apologist, defender, enabler and topmost pedophile messiah lover's cheer leader. NM was in Texas yelling at our people when they challenged him over his promoting the GBC's (pedophile messiah's) guru process. Again, this was verified by our associates.
Did we forget to mention that when we brought out the poison issue, NM was attacking me for offending their program? He was demonizing me -- to get me killed, as they already got other "offenders" killed. "Give a dog a bad name, and hang it."
Did we forget to mention NM invited me to his ashram, and left me sitting outside his room from 8 am to 5 pm, and then he sneaked off the property -- out the back door -- and left the property -- without seeing me? That means he has no answer either, just like you.
Did we forget to mention JT was advertising that he was another Jesus and he was taking sins. And some of his followers told me he was falling, because he took their sins. How is illicit sex and drugs connected to -- another Jesus? How can some illicit sex and drugs fool -- take sins like Jesus?
Anyway! Narayan Maharaja said all of them are monkeys, and 11 of these monkeys are gurus. Why do we think one of these monkeys, or eleven of these monkeys, are God's successors? OK I could go on here. Answer these points first and then we can continue from there. ys pd
Henry Doktorski III: Especially for my New Vrindaban Krishna friends: "Memories of Dharmatma by eight NV sankirtan women."
I worked under his direction for six or seven years in the 1980s and I never had a problem or disagreement with him. He was also very helpful to me when I was researching my 2018 book, "Killing For Krishna." In fact, it was due to a telephone conversation I had with Dhar in November 2016 when the puzzle pieces of the Steve Bryant murder conspiracy fell into place after 30 years of coverup, and the momentum for completing and publishing "Killing For Krishna" increased.
However, recent developments suggest that the remainder of Dhar's time on this earth might be extremely limited, therefore I post this as his friend in an effort to help him realize that he needs to apologize for his misdeeds before he dies. Not just once, but thousands of times, in my humble opinion. No hard feelings, Dhar, please. I do this out of love.
DS: I hear Dharmatma is in Alachua. They say whenever he is asked "Are you THAT Dharmatma?" He replies "No, different Dharmatma."
MD: Sickening.
CH: Yes by all means throw Dharmatma under the bus, but know very well that K Swami and his right hand man Radhanatha we’re the bus drivers. All of the violence came from them. Dharmatma was the tool they used to exploit women.
PADA: Yes, he told me to remove all of my materials about him from my site "for the sake of his family." What about all the individuals and families that got mishandled by these guys? Does not seem like a lot of remorse.
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PADA: Dharmatama's real bigger crime is that he told people they needed to worship a homosexual pedophile as God's guru successor. He hijacked people's desire to worship a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada, and diverted their worship away from Srila Prabhupada and onto his sexual predator and pedophile pals. And these "second tier" sexual predators did that evidently because -- in exchange -- their sexual predator "guru" pals gave them a license to also be abusers and gave them the keys to their own "victimizing others" program. Ok, and many people had to be banned, beaten, molested, sued and killed for their program to work.
The sexual predator gurus would sometimes give various of their temple presidents and other leaders a sort of split of the rewards. Some of these "gurus" got to have abusive if not sexual relations -- and their dedicated staff members -- ok guys like Dharmatma -- got some of the same abusive control and abuse of others license. And the result was, thousands of people had to worship a sexual predator pedophile like Kirtanananda, just so people like Dharmatma could get his hands on some of the stolen booty, no pun intended.
So Dharmatma's worse crime is, he hijacked the worship of the pure devotee to place that worship at the feet of his pedophile pals, so he could get some reward benefits from that pedophile messiah's program. He could become a predator abuser "authority" -- just like them.
And by diverting people's worship away from the pure devotee, and onto the worship of deviants, he killed their souls -- technically called "atma hana" in the Vedas. The killers of the souls always dwell in the lowest of hells and darkness, so their future is not too bright. Thus Dharmatma should apologize for his crimes against God and all of humanity, for starters.
He sold out the worship of his guru down the river so he could become another abuser booty bandit himself, like them. That is the most sinful activity in the universe, diverting the innocent to worship pedophiles and not worship the pure devotee. He should apologize first of all to Krishna -- for ruining His devotees by diverting them away from worship of His pure devotee, and having the innocent worship Dharmatma's violent homosexual pedophiles guru regime instead of the pure devotee. There is no worse crime than being a killer of the souls of others.
Dharmatma is the worst class of sinful criminal, because the killers of the souls of others are never forgiven by the Lord, nor any agents of the Lord. Shastra says: these soul killers are cast into the lowest darkness because they cast others into darkness. Anything he would say now to help rectify this would be good of course, but do not count on it, most of these soul killers take their secrets to the grave and they never admit they are killers of the souls of others. But we all know who these soul killers are, and so does Krishna.
Krishna is not fooling around. The false gurus are the most dangerous elements in human society, and they go to the lowest hells, and so do their support staff. Yes, all of them need to repent. The only good news is that eventually -- they become born as the little spiders who are clinging on to my hat and drooping down in front of my eyes. They get some relief from the lower hells, but only after a long time.
And another one of their goody two shoes "Prabhupada man" guys has had four wives, courtesy of his promoting their sexual predator guru process. He was loyal to them -- so he could share their stolen booty. These soul killers promoted the worship of their homosexual and pedophile messiah's program, just to get some of their stolen Judas gold. That simply makes a person in league with Judas, and that should be apologized for -- as bare minimum rectification.
I will not repeat herein what some of the ex-children victims of New Vrndavana have told me about all of the upper tier staff there, because we try to avoid using a lot of cuss words. Suffice it to say, many ex-children from there have highly unpleasant things to say about all of the upper staff from there, includes Dharmatma.
They will never forgive these people, and in part it is because of their lack of sincere apology with a detailed explanation of why they did what they did. That is one of the reasons why they are not being forgiven. Why did you want these children to worship your homosexual pedophile pals, and not the pure devotee? Explanation and apology please? Before it it too late?
[PADA: Very odd. When I said there is a molesting problem, starting way back in 1980s, most ISKCON people told me "go to court and sue us then."
OK fine, order accepted, then we helped put together a lawsuit.
Then, some of the same people said "Jeepers, why did you take us to court and not discuss internally"? Not sure, maybe it was all the banning, beating, suing, chasing me with brooms, chasing me with baseball bats, threatening to kill me, killing my associates, and having the FBI want me to get into Federal Witness protection because they were convinced I was going to get -- whacked, mainly for protesting the molesting?
Not very conducive for "internal discussion" is it? 300 alleged perpetrators? Really? And they still cannot get rid of Lokanath, a known child molester. After all this? Sorry, the issue is still not being addressed properly for the problems either now (like Lokanath swami), or for the many other past problems that were never resolved properly either.
This issue is not going away, if anything, the REAL discussion is just getting started.
Y they say -- White supremist hate Indian big guru preacher. As little preaching in America. All big preaching, money in India now. Lol.
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PADA: 1) Lokanath swami has been "2/3 show of hands" voted into the ISKCON GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children, porno swami, drunkards, drug addicts etc. guru parampara. No one should be preaching that Krishna's guru successors are often fallen debauchees, if they have even the slightest respect for Krishna, the Vedas, and India's culture.
That is the Lokanath guru parampara. Even if he has not done anything personally, he obviously hates Krishna and India culture because he wants children -- of all races -- to worship the GBC's fools and even pedophiles as Krishna's guru successors program, and claim this is India's culture and Krishna's guru parampara. Every single day Lokanath wakes up trying to add another deviation to Krishna's guru parampara.
2) The victim of Lokanath's molesting is an 11 year old girl of India extraction. The "Vedic born" folks should be defending India's culture, what to speak of India's child molesting victims -- before us Western dogs have to do that job for them. Why do us Western dogs have to fight for the honor of India's citizens, before they will? And why are any of the India citizen folks thinking this India family's child being molested is "lol"?
3) I have a India born friend -- who was in fact born in the Holy Dham of Vrndavana. And he says the Lokanath guru program is burying pedophiles and pornography swamis in "samadhis" in the dham, and yet the main person who is making complaints about that horrible deviation is -- me, the Western dog. He says I have more respect for the dham than any / all of these GBC leaders (like Lokanath), because AT LEAST I know we cannot bury deviants in India's and Krishna's holy land. Why are we Western dogs having to try to save India's holy land, from the bogus Lokanath swami's India folks program over there?
4) Money -- won't buy us love! You seem to say, most of the people who fund and support the GBC's pedophile guru system are from India. That means, we Western dogs do not want to participate in their illicit sex and pedophile guru sampradaya, and insult Krishna, the Vedas, and India culture. That is because we have some nominal respect for the culture of India.
Why don't the India guys show us the way, instead of having us show these guys the way? So the India money is going to support their illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, and what, that is supposed to impress us Western fools?
5) And! Money won't buy us a ticket to Vaikuntha. Worshiping the proper parampara is the only method, and Lokanath's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara will never take anyone to Vaikuntha, because shastra says this parampara goes straight to hell, and so do its followers. I believe the shastra.
6) Meanwhile, none of this is LOL. Sorry, it is a red herring argument, that this is all about this race of folks vs the other race of folks. The victim is from an India descent family. We are defending children, and we should defend any children of any race from anywhere in the world as adult human beings, never mind devotees of God have a higher duty to defend children than regular adults -- because that is what God expects of His devotees.
I am defending the victim. And it does not matter to me that she is either India descent victim or not, she is a victim. It is all of our duty to defend these victims. People from India should be telling me all this, and not vice versa. ys pd
Death threats from Lokanath followers. What else did you expect pilgrims?
OK types of threats are coming over to some of the people exposing Lokanath. Same type threats PADA editor has been receiving since 1978 really. These pedophile guru programs really cannot function by defeating us with philosophy, because even dog eaters do not worship pedophiles as their messiahs. So they have to resort to banning, beating, suing and killing the Lord's Vaishnavas in order to make their pedophile worship process function.
Over the years, we have had many such threats, and of course people chasing me with baseball bats, beating on us at Rathayatra, and did we forget to mention -- assassinating our associates? So this is very common for pedophile guru cults, they try to use goonda tactics. These tactics did work pretty good for them for quite awhile, have to give them credit. They were able to ban, beat, molest, sue and kill Vaishnavas for years and years -- without much push back.
But, it was all artificial, one cannot continue these techniques indefinitely. Eventual there is pay back time.
At this point I think we ALL need to be a little more alert and prepared. We need to get close association with local law enforcement for starters. My being friends with the cops in Berkeley saved my life, many times over. We need to tell law enforcement about our situation.
In sum!
We are exposing a pedophile worshiping cult that bans, beats, sues and kills dissenters (i.e. Vaishnava devotees of God). And now some folks are in their crosshairs because, ok how did you guess, these folks are dissenting from their pedophile worship process. It is actually very easy for law enforcement to figure all this out. They deal all the time with sexual predators, rapists, criminals, abusers etc. -- who threaten people who try to contain them -- all the time. They already know how abusers attack would be exposers, to defend themselves, and they know all about this -- in spades.
If anyone needs to have the police or other agencies verify the dangers from these people, have them contact me immediately. I know all about how they suppress dissenters. And yes, as a matter of fact, they are a dangerous and violent pedophile worship cult.
Even pedophile messiah's boot lickers like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur folks said they were going to get their pedophile worshiping goonda pals to come and get me. All these pedophile worship lovers act the same way, it is a pattern.
Law enforcement needs to be apprised of this situation. Sending threats via the internet, interstate or international, is international terroristic threats, which is a Federal FBI reported Crime. These criminals need to be reported -- and pronto. And if possible, they need to be held accountable with legal charges.
And if anyone anywhere needs help dealing with these goondas, have law enforcement contact me right away:
PADA: Good point. More people are coming out and attacking the GBC's (pedophile) guru system, using their actual names and no longer posting as "anonymous." That means more and more people are less fearful of the GBC's regime. Hanuman says the GBC have been like a MAFIA, and thus the critics have had good reason to be in fear of the GBC's regime. A critic can be banned, beaten, sued, and -- maybe even killed. "Silence the critics" is what criminal dictators do -- all the time.
Hanuman sums them up as a "Gestapo" program. Now the GBC Gestapo snake is less dangerous, it has rotten teeth and it is getting old and tired. And it is under attack from all sides. Thus, under this weakened condition, more critics are coming forward.
Unfortunately, Hanuman fails to address why he still worships Sridhar swami, who is one of the main pedophile guru defenders and "fixers" in the Lokanath molesting crisis. Mukunda swami, Sridhar swami and others have all been part of the process to cover up the pedophile guru program. And Sridhar was part of the GBC committee to cover up for Lokanath.
OK Hanuman worships one of the criminal MAFIA's worst "problem fixers."
Worse, Sridhar swami has been a huge defender and personal promoter of Radhanath swami, even after knowing about the murder of Sulochan and so on and so forth. In sum, Hanuman still worships one of the biggest leaders / fixers / apologists / promoters / sycophants / enablers of the Gestapo pedophile guru regime. He cannot completely sever the knot that binds him to the pedophile messiahs project.
Hanuman needs to wake up. He cannot simultaneously promote the leaders of the pedophile's guru program -- and attack the pedophile's guru program at the same time. There is some good news, Hanuman says our technique -- public expose -- is the best way to deal with this. "Writing to them is like writing to Hitler" -- it won't have any effect. So the first step is to humiliate them publicly, and that is being done, and it will just get worse over time as more people feel empowered and allowed to speak out.
All of this started when a woman in Australia was finding her comments about Lokanath were being removed from a "Devotee Forum." Then she complained, and other ladies took notice. Yes, why are people not agreeing to remove a pedophile from the platform of guru in ISKCON?
This same lady from Australia had an unfortunate run in with me however over the Jayatirtha issue. She evidently thought I was attacking a Jayatirtha follower too hard. She does not seem to understand that Jayatirtha is also a pedophile -- or de facto he is -- because he too has been having sex with a follower.
And worse, this particular Jayatirtha follower she was working with -- has been attacking me from day one square one -- on every issue -- calling me a liar and so on. And this mutual associate is one of the reasons the whole Jayatirtha cult went on in the first place, this person was one of the cult's main cheer leader enablers. Of course the JT person writes a lot of the flowery fluff that Jayatirtha would speak, and it sounds wonderful and spiritual -- until we dig a little deeper into what they are actually doing.
And that is how all the molesting happened, our complaints were tossed under the bus as "lies." And that is also how JT later got his head chopped off, these people did not listen to me and they fomented the problem into hyper speed.
And the Jayatirtha violent mob also came to Berkeley and confronted me, and they said they wanted to kill me. And they would have killed me, except a few people came to my aid when his mob came to attack me -- and those few people who defended me told the JT mob "we have the guns and you do not," and so the Jayatirtha people had to back off.
Otherwise the violent JT "peace Krishna's" mob would have overwhelmed us and taken my helpers down, and taken me down. It is another violent pedophile cult. And thus -- we should attack all of them -- and not just cherry pick this one here and defend that one there, or defend their enablers etc. All of the GBC's pedophile guru cults and all of their enablers need to be addressed.
Hanuman does the same thing. He attacks us and defends the biggest pedophile guru boot kisser on the planet, Sridhara swami. We cannot have it both ways.
We need to go after all of them. None of them are authorized, either pedophile gurus or their defenders, apologists, defenders, hangers on, sycophants, enablers and etc. The whole thing needs to be cleaned out. Narayan Maharaj was another Tamal groupie who was in Texas defending Tamal, when we were helping put together the $400,000,000 lawsuit against Tamal. He is another enabler of the pedophile Gestapo guru regime.
Anyway! It is all sort of coming out, like squeezing toothpaste from the tube, slowly, but steadily. We cannot worship pedophiles as God's successors, and we cannot defend their enablers, the whole thing is a Gestapo system and needs to be dismantled root and branch. Hanuman is right, this is all connected, gurus and their defenders and enablers, and that means, his guru is one of the main defenders and enablers. So let us keep exposing them, until the whole lot, enablers and their pedophile gurus, is routed out.
And Hanuman says we should make Bhakta das a guru, and Bhakta says I am offending saint Radhath (who buries pedophiles in the dham). Hanuman needs to quit being part of the pedophile guru program himself -- in total -- before he can rescue others from that particular hellish planet.
And finally, we have to ask what others ask me all the time, why are the women folk having to come forward to fix anything? Where are the brave Bhagavad Gita fighter men? Hee hee!
ys pd] angel108b@yahoo.com
Me and "His Divine Grace Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja"
[PADA: The GBC has a Bhakti Shastri Course -- and we have had some odd debates with persons -- either in the course, or graduates of it. For example, one of them told me that he was told -- when your guru falls down (which they often do in their system) you can worship Srila Prabhupada -- temporarily -- until you get another GBC appointed guru. Wow, so they are anticipating that your guru will fall down, from the get go!
OK so if you are offering your bhogha to -- lets say for example -- one of their pedophile messiahs, you get to offer your food to Srila Prabhupada temporarily, until you start to offer your food to another conditioned soul -- who might also fall down? But no offerings of bhogha to conditioned souls are advised in shastra?
I asked one of them, if your guru is voted in to the GBC's illicit sex with men, women and children guru parampara, then is he not already fallen? How can a person who is already preaching that acharyas are often debauchees -- fall down, when preaching that acharyas are often debauchees is -- already fallen?
And if some of the other gurus in the Bhakti Vikas swami guru system are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children," how can they then "2/3 show if hands" vote in and certify another member of the parampara? For example, a pedophile cannot vote to select another parampara member, because he is not himself a parampara member. Why doesn't Bhakti Vikas swami know any of this -- evidently -- or at least explain any of this?
So it would seem that the GBC's "Disciples Courses," "Bhakti Shastri courses" etc. are training people that the parampara from -- God Almighty -- is often populated by all manner of debauchees, sexual predators, deviants, pedophiles, drunkards, orchestrators of child sexual abuse and murders of dissenters -- and so on and so forth. And then those deviants help vote in the next wave of "God's successor" gurus.
Why does Bhakti Vikas swami not know that his whole idea -- that deviants are often found in the parampara from Krishna -- and said deviants vote for another wave of acharyas -- is not taught by any actual parampara guru? And how could deviants be the persons delegated to vote for the pure in any case? The crooks should certify -- who should be a policeman? How would they know how to select a bona fide policeman?
I don't get it? The parampara is populated by deviants, and then the deviants in the deviant parampara get to vote in -- another wave of gurus? Where is this found in shastra? And what kind of Bhakti Shastri classes are feeding people this manure? And then the people in the classes argue with me, that gurus are often deviants. Ok that is called the mad elephant offense, to say that gurus are often deviants. Why is this mad elephant offense being taught to the class?
Why doesn't Bhakti Vikas swami ever correct people these points, at least evidently, he never does? Or where does he?
[PADA: A devotee said he was stopped from doing the kirtan in Alachua by Mukhya's program "because he was not dressed as a proper devotee." Hmm, so when we go to there to worship their pedophile messiah's project in Alachua, we had better have the proper attire?
This sounds like a horror movie. We have to help worship the lusty dog King, but only while wearing the proper King's approved clothing? These people are really losing it. We can only participate in their pedophile messiah's pooja project, when we are dressed properly? This is getting more ritvik-diculous by the hour.
Anyway, the pedophile messiah's project is circling the wagons to defend from our assault, but it is too little too late, the cat is already out of the bag. Another person from Alachua has woke up, and it is just a question of time before more and more will do so. ys pd]
#BeLikeVidura
GBC Members,
I write as a concerned educator and parent who has been connected to ISKCON since my college years in 1994. Besides serving as pujari in New Talavan and New Raman Reti, I have spoken at four international conferences organized by the Bhaktivedanta Institute (2006, 2007, 2008, 2014). You can read those papers here, which have been praised by mathematicians of international stature, such as Barry Mazur from Harvard University.
Some devotees have asked me why I risked being let go of temple services over a child abuse case that happened over 30 years ago. The reason is simple: As a lifelong educator, I cannot support an organization that systematically ignores child abuse and protects perpetrators, whatever the reasons. As a teacher, I cannot remain silent, whatever the price, when someone close to my community sullies that sacred seat in the vilest of ways—by betraying the trust of a child through sexual abuse. Besides, we know that’s not the only unresolved sexual abuse case in ISKCON.
“With all the humility at my command,” I implore you to take a stand on this issue. You have a choice to be like Grandfather Bhisma when Dushasana attempted to disrobe Draupadi at the request of his brother Duryodhana—and remain silent—or be like the saintly Vidura and speak against this assault on basic human decency. The choice is yours.
[PADA: The concept is good. They are giving credit to Srila Prabhupada. Also good.
Unfortunately, they still have photos of guys like Radhanath, Jayapataka, Lokanath and other GBC leaders in their web site process. That will turn off more people than turn them on. And did we forget to mention there are a lot of problems in Russia now that are the same things that have happened here, so it is not being cleaned up, it is just starting to repeat.
Therefore! We need to give people a Srila Prabhupada centered process for attracting the mass of people. Anyone who Googles or researches Radhanath, Jayapataka, and now -- Lokanath, will end up with a negative impression. We need to move past these guys and make a movement that goes forward under the banner of Srila Prabhupada as the guru, and not deviants as the guru(s).
At the same time, getting more people interested in the topic of ISKCON and Krishna is no doubt why we at PADA are keep getting more and more views, and questions from new readers to our sites. So it is sort of boosting us -- indirectly.
I am having some nice exchanges with some newer people these days, and they just came across PADA by somehow or other -- because we are in the search mix. One guy recently did not know who we were exactly. And when I started to tell him a few things he said -- "hold on, don't worry, I am with the Bangalore group, we get it already." Hee hee!
Just had a few days where "Bangladesh" has been giving our blog a lot of views. That means at least some folks there are starting to look at all this. So it would be better if we are all united, but we will never unite with the pedophile messiah's club, and that is all there is to it.
[PADA: When the GBC started their own e-mail system called "pamho.net," the admins blocked me from sending messages there. Their bounce back message to me said "your messages have been blocked from this server." OK never mind, we will have you sued for $400,000,000 and you can pay that way -- if you so desire. Whatever works.
Then these guys keep saying, "we did not know these crimes were going on"? Ummm, you guys banned, beat, removed, sued, blocked, and killed us dissenters? If you have to ban, beat, sue, block and kill us, then you are certainly aware of our existence? Your people even told me "if there is a problem, take us to court." So, you guys wanted a full blown court case and giant mass media expose, because you guys told me you wanted that?
Anyway here is another trooper in the "let us get rid of the GBC's molester gurus" army. Lets get more troopers on board! Good on ya! Every day another trooper joins this army, very nice! We need to protect our children, lets get that process going, better late than never. Hey everyone, write to these guys! Let us give the pamho.net server some real work to do this time!
Yep, purity is the force, so all of you GBC guys who are either perps, or who enable other perps, are not pure, and are thus not gurus. That is what people are starting to figure out. Srila Prabhupada: "You can cheat, but it won't be effective."
ys pd]
Dear GBC members,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I am a friend of Saraswati dasi, who has been sharing documents relating to the Lokanath Swami case on Facebook, and like her and so many others, I was horrified that a grown man who had sexually abused a child was still being worshiped and glorified on the vyasasana. It seemed another terrible stain on the reputation of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON.
Not long after, I was unexpectedly thrilled to hear that you, the GBC, had passed the following resolutions:
Lokanath Swami's authorization to initiate is hereby suspended pending the completion of the International CPO's review of Lokanath Swami's CPO case.
Lokanath Swami is hereby suspended from his role as GBC minister pending the International CPO's review of his CPO case.
This seemed like a wonderful step in the right direction, a chance to begin to redeem the good name of the Hare Krsna Movement, which has been hurt so badly by decades of unaddressed aparadha. However, devotees are now reporting that this is too good to be true, and that the GBC has quietly instructed the ICPO to abandon its investigation.
I do not ask for a response to this email—many of you are great Vaisnavas and are not at all accountable to me.
However, each of you is accountable to Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura, and the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Protector of His devotees, Sri Nrsimha Bhagavan. I hope that each one of you will sincerely search his or her heart, and affirm whether the truth of your actions in this matter, individually and as a governing body, will appear satisfactory to our Founder Acarya, to his beloved Guru Maharaja who taught us that “purity is the force,” and to the Lord Himself, who appeared in such a wonderfully ferocious form for the deliverance of His young devotee.
I humbly request you to please let the ICPO handle the Lokanath Swami case, without interference.
Your humble servant,
Maharani dasi
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Please write to the GBC and ask them to give the Lokanath Swami case to the ICPO for examination:
PADA: Book changes. Does it matter to you? Well it should!
Various people have recently said to PADA editor -- we should not be working with Garuda das, Henry Doktorski, the anti-Lokanath team and similar others. Swell! However if we consider that originally -- I was working almost exclusively with -- the Berkeley Police, FBI, media and courts, almost anything wider than that original circle is WAY better than from where we started.
And if our critics are making a better broadcast about book changes, or in fact any broadcasts on any relevant topic at all, great, send it to us and we can see from there. Umm, as for the guys sending me all the Q-anon stuff, illuminati serpent people from the Draco constellation stuff, chemtrails stuff, Hitler stuff etc. ... sorry, they need not apply. Been there ... done that already.
As for our opinion on the books changes -- anyone who favors original books is rare, and needed. Garuda das said he was not able to get into a lot of the details, but this is an overview.
Statement by Krishna Dharma Prabhu on the Lokanath Swami case:
Listening to the testimonies of our second generation regarding the abuse they received at the hands of older devotees brings tears to my eyes. I am literally shocked to the core by some accounts. How could so-called devotees be so heartless?
I am a father of three children and the thought of them receiving such treatment utterly reviles me. In fact, when my son was approaching five years old, my wife and I seriously considered sending him to gurukula in India. We met the sannyasi in charge, and he assured us it was the best possible choice for our son.
However, when other devotee parents with children in gurukula heard what we were contemplating, they exhorted us to change our mind, warning us of the very abuses we are now hearing about.
[PADA: What we said over and over and over -- lots of people knew about the child abuse and they were silent -- although to their small credit -- they might warn someone in private. That is why more than a few victims call this "a conspiracy of silence." And is has been. And this verifies that is has been.]
We listened to them, and now, after reading the letters posted by Sarasvati Devi from various senior devotees, we feel sure we made the right decision to not send our son.
[PADA: Ok but what about warning others who were in the process of sending their sons? Or who had already had sent their sons (or daughters). And what about the mother who just said -- sending your kid to them has been like -- sending a chick down the conveyor belt at the chicken factory, into the chopping blades machine at the end?]
It is a sad situation, made even worse by the derisory response so often received when these issues are raised with ISKCON’s leadership. It seems to be a litany of denial, minimisation, cover-up, victim-blaming, and general avoidance of responsibility. In the Mahabharata, it is said that Lord Brahma created power to protect the weak.
If abused, that same power destroys its abuser to the roots. The text goes on to say that if a weak person, being afflicted, cries out for protection and finds none, the divine rod of punishment descends on the king and all his ministers.
Virtue protects those who protect virtue, and destroys those who destroy it. Sooner or later, there is a reckoning. I am reminded of Srila Prabhupada speaking about Yamaraja in one class. He called him the ‘GBC of Krishna’ who, due to a small mistake, was punished to take birth on earth as Vidura. Prabhupada went on to say,
“There we have created these GBCs. So they should be very responsible men; otherwise, they will be punished. They will be punished to become a śūdra. Although Yamarāja is a GBC, but he made a little mistake, he was punished to become a śūdra. So those who are GBC, they should be very, very careful to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly, the punishment is also very great. [Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.13.15 -- June 4, 1974, Geneva / 740604SB.GEN]
I understand that our leaders want to protect the preaching and ensure the good reputation of ISKCON, but I think it is a miscalculation to not be thoroughly honest and transparent, acting with the highest integrity. That will always be respected, even if mistakes are made.
If there is an honest admission and acceptance of due consequence, no one will criticise. Surely as Krishna’s representatives we must evince the highest morality without a tinge of doubt. Just see how Lord Rama responded when there was not even a transgression committed. The merest suggestion of doubt in his integrity elicited an immediate and firm response, even though it broke his own heart.
Again, see how Lord Chaitanya responded to Chota Haridas, who had only committed but the slightest offense. Or even Lord Brahma, who after simply contemplating a sinful act gave up his body, considering it contaminated. Srila Prabhupada writes in that connection,
“The best way to compensate for one’s sinful acts is to give up one’s body at once, and Brahmā, the leader of the living entities, showed this by his personal example. Brahmā has a fabulous duration of life, but he was obliged to give up his body due to his grievous sin, even though he had merely contemplated it in his mind without having actually done it.” (SB 3.12.33)
Note how Srila Prabhupada calls Brahma’s mere contemplation a ‘grievous sin’. Okay, maybe we should not give up our bodies, which we can use in the Lord’s service, but surely we can give up some status and power, stand down and take a humble position if we have compromised our integrity. What is there to lose?
Devotional service does not depend upon external status. We can serve the Lord in any situation, heaven or hell. And if we please him, even try to please him, we will become glorious, without any doubt. But any glory achieved at the cost of truth will surely in time turn to infamy.
Anyway, I am just a humble soul, aspiring to serve the devotees, so please forgive me if I have given offense. I am merely speaking out of a desire to see ISKCON succeed and become the force for change that Srila Prabhupada wants. May the Lord bless us all with the right intelligence to succeed. Hare Krishna.
Your servant,
Krishna dharma das
[PADA: Well this is good, and it is more breaking of the ice. Krishna dharma verified what we said all along, lots of people knew about the child abuse -- but did not publicly contest the program (ok like we have done). Padmapani just now said -- we should call the police to arrest not only the perps, but anyone who knew about the abuse and acquiesced, all of them are equal criminals. Umm yep.
A woman was just now talking to us about how Rupanuga co-created the ISKCON pedophile guru worship cult that is now right on his doorstep in Alachua. Yet he cannot even do anything about his own co-creation since -- he put the pedophile's guru worship train throttle on full blast -- and removed the train's brake lever -- to the peril of the children, who almost all suffered when the GBC's / Rupanuga's -- "pedophile heaven" train -- crashed and burned -- and a bunch of the victims burnt to death, or died from other collateral causes.
It is literally almost no longer in the Dr. Frankenstein's monster creators grasp to contain the situation they helped start. Just like when an arsonist tries to put out the fire -- when he comes to realize a baby is inside the building he started to burn -- but -- maybe too little too late -- to save the baby. And the lady in the conversation added -- how can Sruta Kirti ask "what" he is supposed to take a stand on -- when kids are getting molested all over the place and pedophiles are sitting in Vyasa seats?
So all together, the Dr. Frankenstein pedophile messiah's / sexual predator guru's creators could not do much later on -- to control their own Frankenstein monsters. Just as Sridhar Maharaja lost control of the Ananta Vasudeva fiasco he started, after 1936. And thus Sridhar also could not contain the problems once the beatings and murders started. Of course, having some of them admit to the problem is a good start -- to begin the process of rectification. It is at least some relief for the victims as well. A drunk also cannot cure his problem, until he admits he is a drunk.
Anyway, these guys like Rupanuga and Sridhar Maharaja helped create their deviant if not pedophile guru monsters -- and then when they were trying to reign in their guru monster experiment somewhat -- almost to no avail -- because they let their bogus guru sh*t pile grow to such and extent, even they could not start to shovel it away. Or barely. So they were both stuck with that mess of sh*t, right on their own doorstep.
And that is why Alachua and / or Lokanath people are worried so much about losing Lokanath as their guru, because that would mean "the 1986 guru reform" was a false flag. And thus they have been STILL making deviants into acharyas -- again -- after getting rid of some of the first wave of deviants, they were once again placing more deviants into the second wave. Their whole guru reform program will be exposed as a fraud. And then -- wait for it -- more people will agree to the ritvik idea, i.e. worship the pure devotee.
A follower of Lokanath has wrote to PADA saying, well our guru is taking our sins. Ummm nope! A conditioned soul cannot take sins! Hello! And he said he might agree to get rid of Lokanath -- if they first of all get rid of Indradyumna, Badrinarayan, Malati and other "caucasian people" and not pick on "the brown people." OK, hee hee, good idea, except two wrongs don't make a right. Just because some of the other gurus are deviating does not give a license to Lokanath to also deviate and claim to be guru.
Then this guy said -- wait for it -- why are you ritviks always picking on the ISKCON gurus? Oh right -- we should allow children to worship pedophiles as their gurus -- and not worship a pure devotee -- even when we see all the damage that is doing to children. Really?
Anyway, this is turning out to be some sort of a meltdown in the ISKCON circles. Question? Do I stay with Lokanath's guru club -- and look like a pedophile guru lover? Or get rid of him, which threatens to dismantle his zone -- which he stole from Prabhupada in the first place? Things are getting interesting.
In sum, thanks Krishna dharma das, you knew there was a problem a long time ago. What we said was going on!
Thus, another piece of the molester messiah's cub situation's puzzle falls into place. It is starting to come together, piece by piece. What we said was going on all along -- is -- unfortunately -- starting to become established as factual. We wish our history version would not have had to end this way. But as shastra says, no one can re-write history.
