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PADA: Talking with someone extensively over ISKCON's "history lessons."
This person simply cannot figure out how the "saffron MAFIA" agenda took over ISKCON so easily -- and was then able to orchestrate a policy to ban, beat, molest, sue and even assassinate various people with almost no checks and balances. Where have the so-called "ultimate managers" "ISKCON Governing Body" been -- when all these disasters have been unfolding?
In sum, the bogus saffron MAFIA has:
* Created so many problems with the gurukula school children;
* Kicked out almost all the devotees;
* Orchestrated not only banning, but maybe beatings and even murders;
* Created huge public media scandals;
* Changed the acharya's books wholesale;
* Bankrupted the ISKCON institution -- and so forth.
Why didn't the mass of rank and file "Prabhupada men" "moderate" "conservative" "following the principles" devotees rise up and take down the saffron MAFIA? Good question! Indeed, its a question we get all the time. Of course another question is, why have a lot of these "conservative" people opposed our efforts to clean some of this up?
And the next most common question is, why are so many of the former saffron MAFIA organization's leaders -- such as Radhanath -- and other various New Vrndavana henchmen like Devamrita, Umapati, Kuladri et al. still viewed as the biggest ISKCON leaders even now? OK, the first problem is: The saffron MAFIA folks are organized and coordinated to some extent, while those of us in the opposition, not so much.
The MAFIA guys are at least united on their ideals and principles. And thus they stick together on their main ideals, for example that acharyas are often debauchees, sexual predators, drug addicts and so on. And then they generally work together combinedly, hand in glove, to forward their bogus concepts, for example to make written essays and "position papers" "GBC reports" and so forth -- to attempt to justify their bogus ideas.
And thus, unless there is some well organized counter effort, the saffron MAFIA sort of wins by default -- because there is not enough opposition, or certainly not enough organized opposition. Part of our discussion was about how -- so many "senior ISKCON devotees" now go to various temples to speak about their "Srila Prabhupada realizations and memories." Yet self evidently, most of them really have not understood the problem of promoting conditioned souls as acharyas, what to speak of realizing the long term outcome of so many of these deviations?
Some "senior devotees" can maybe quote a few slokas here and there, and maybe cite a few pastimes and memories, which is fine, but they did not have enough depth of realization to solve the saffron MAFIA crisis in their religion.
And so!
1) The 1978 bogus "guru appointment" was not sufficiently challenged. Even recently Bhakti Vikas swami asserted that the 11 GBC were appointed as guru. Srila Prabhupada appointed conditioned souls as Krishna's successors? Of course Rupanuga and a number of others still say the 11 were the appointed gurus as well. A lot of people "go along to get along" with the appointed gurus, so they can get a post, position, salary and / or various perks from being a servant of the saffron MAFIA regime. Then again, many people went along with "the 11 gurus" hoping they would later get a guru certificate from the regime, and many did get certified as guru later.
And then some of the deviated Gaudiya Matha folks like Sridhara Maharaja and Narayan Maharaja types actually helped promote the false (big lie) idea that these 11 GBC folks are "Krishna's appointed gurus." Then they could ride on the coat tails of the appointed gurus and get their foot into the door of post, position, and ability to extract followers from ISKCON. As they did, by creating many spin off operations draining manpower away from ISKCON.
First of all, why would Srila Prabhupada (and Krishna) want conditioned souls to be worshiped as God's appointed guru successors, none of these folks ever explains? Or worse, Srila Prabhupada does not know who is God's guru successor and who is not, so he wanted defective beings to be worshiped as God's successors? Some have even said to us -- Krishna Himself makes a huge mistake by His sometimes allowing conditioned souls to be worshiped as His guru successors. Krishna should not allow that, of course by the same idea Krishna should also not allow bank robbers to rob banks.
Or maybe our PADA idea is correct, some very defective conditioned souls mistook that other conditioned souls are God's successors. So its looks like people are trying to establish that Srila Prabhupada, or Krishna, make the mistake of anointing unqualified people as Krishna's guru successors. This has created mass confusing mayhem all over ISKCON ever since. God wanted Rasputin, Stalin, Al Capone and The Batman Joker to be His worshiped successor, then what is wrong with God, He is defective.
So this question is never resolved, who made the mistake? Did Srila Prabhupada make a huge mistake -- and appoint unqualified souls as Krishna's successors? Or did the GBC -- and a lot of acquiescing mass of rank and file ISKCON folks, and their Gaudiya Matha and Narayan Maharaja "advisors" and sycophants -- make the mistake of targeting conditioned souls as acharyas?
And that was another question, "Why, despite so many self evident failures, do we find even today folks like Rupanuga STILL claim that Srila Prabhupada wanted conditioned souls to take the post of diksha gurus and absorb sins like Jesus is doing"? Of course Sridhara and Narayan people try to argue with us, "Well they were sannyasa, and sannyasa is ALMOST equal to acharya." Ummm, nope.
Yet all of us, i.e. the mass of rank and file "original disciples," and Sridhar and Narayan Maharajas et al. had the DUTY and responsibility of questioning and CHALLENGING anyone who would claim to be the successor to GOD and Srila Prabhupada, by asking for extensive evidence of this alleged appointment. That did not happen. I was among one of the few dissenting folks who repeatedly asked for this alleged evidence.
The "guru appointment" essentially means: Srila Prabhupada is NOW being displaced / replaced with OTHER PEOPLE who are NOW going to be acharyas and to become the newly minted AUTHORITY LINE for ISKCON. And the 11 were then in fact called "the new gurus." And we heard things like "when the 11 meet, its re-assembling the body of Srila Prabhupada" and so on. They were his alleged successors, but again really, more or less his replacements as the "new authority line" of ISKCON. Guys like ROCANA Das did not help matters much, his "guru reformers" excommunicated Sulochana and voted in a pile of more "living gurus."
2) Then again -- going to the Gaudiya Matha itself has not been properly challenged. Where is the evidence we were supposed to run off to them? And going to the Gaudiya Matha created even more folks who would then be replacing Srila Prabhupada's authority as "other lines of authority" aka "other acharyas." And these folks were also changing, re-arranging, if not over stepping Srila Prabhupada's authority and process.
3) Then again -- many God brothers themselves directly ran off to these Gaudiya Matha folks and / or Narayan Maharaja and began promoting them -- like Sudheer swami, Tripurari swami, Jagat Guru swami, Pancadravida swami, Pusta Krishna swami, Swarupa Hebel and Sruta Srava ilk, Gopavrndapal and his so-called "Hanuman's Monkey Men's Club" and countless others, knowing that these Gaudiya Math folks had (by now) become huge defenders, supporters and cheer leaders of the bogus GBC's "appointed gurus."
And worse -- knowing that these Gaudiya Matha ilk folks had made false gurus in the 1930s -- with horrific results. Did I forget to mention the 1930s Gaudiya Matha folks had a process of banning, beating, sexual predator acharyas, lawsuits and murders, and this process was simply duplicated after 1978?
The upshot is -- that many hundreds of ISKCON people were then drained off from ISKCON to the Sridhara Maharaja fan club in the early 1980s. Then later, Tamal, Indradyumna, Satsvarupa, Sivarama, Giriraja and others formed the Narayan Maharaja "rasika club" off shoot, which ALSO drained away hundreds of more people from ISKCON in the late 1980s -- over to the Narayan camp. So the GBC replaced Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, and then these Gaudiya Matha people replaced and / or displaced Srila Prabhupada as another new LAYER of guru authority / acharyas. The upshot has been LAYERS upon LAYERS of divergent paths of authority. A tower of Babel.
This is the policy we needed to introduce to fix ISKCON?
So we are trying to bail out the sinking ship, while these other people are poking more and more holes in the hull --- to scuttle the ship. These off shoot programs had been designed to first of all keep us -- the opposition to the false gurus -- suppressed. Simultaneously their plan has been, to drain away as many of the citizens of ISKCON as possible -- to these off shoot programs to weaken the ISKCON society with numerous spin off societies meant to COMPETE with ISKCON. ISKCON thus spawned its own competition. And it still is, one of their "temple speakers" advertises for Rama Krishna mission on his site.
Some Narayan Maharaja people once bragged to me "we have more people than ISKCON." Well maybe, but you siphoned most of them away from ISKCON. So most of the GBC have been the hand maidens of this process, because no one would have ever even gone to Sridhara or Narayan without various GBC's first of all opening the Pandora's box, and injecting them into the ISKCON society as the GBC's biggest "advisors" and authorities. Oddly, some ex-gurukulis told me they went to Narayan Maharaja because they did not want to be part of the GBC's guru program, apparently forgetting that NM was one of the biggest cheer leading -- hand maidens -- of the GBC's guru process.
And of course Bhakta das, Guru Kripa and some other God brothers started to establish yet another "new layer of acharya authority" other than Srila Prabhupada, namely BV Puri maharaja -- who sympathized with GBC's gurus like Gopal Krishna swami. OK anyone can be the acharya, as long as its not Srila Prabhupada.
4) The book changes has been another big "change-up process" that has not properly challenged. Yep. Another amazing problem has been -- that hardly anyone saw the severe danger of re-writing the acharya's books. Fortunately, more people see that problem now, but its a little late in the game to make major progress at this stage. Hopefully over time it can be more rectified, lets hope so.
5) Then there was the child abuse issue which again, we were not able to penetrate the wall of opposition -- and wake up many folks -- despite our repeated dire warnings of the severe consequences of ignoring this problem. Various kids were being molested in the GBC's schools, but almost none of the leaders, teachers, elders or parents would go to the police to report the issue, so it just kept on going, and going, and going along. OK maybe the parents would report the problem to the leaders, which is apparently like asking the fox to watch the chicken house.
And some of the people involved in expanding the child molesting are not only the founding creators of that regime (aka many GBC leaders), and the associated molesters, the other acquiescing leaders and many "senior" devotees, but even some of the second wave of devotees aided and abetted the criminal molesting process.
Thus we have had a problem of enabling criminal child abuse not only from various GBC's folks and their acquiescing "senior devotee adults" -- but also from some of the so-called reformers like Janardan / Pancali / Sanat / Mukunda/ Prahlad / HKC Jaipur people etc. They said to me that we should NOT be stopping hundreds of children from participating in the GBC's school system, where abuse had been uncovered left, right and center. Yep, lets keep piling in more and more kids into the GBC's school programs, that will fix things! So all of these people essentially joined forces to oppose our idea of halting criminal child abuse. Then some people wonder how it was enabled and empowered to continue? Then some people wondered why a number of victims suffered with drugs, sexual addictions, if not -- suicides?
OK some of the so-called opposition joined the GBC's guru agenda and organized to AID and ABET the criminal process. Remember, we previously said that the bad guys are organized, and the opposition is not. Its worse than that, many of the so-called opposition organized to help the bad guys by suppressing those of us trying to rectify these crimes.
Some of their folks even said to me that our stopping children from being molested "has no credibility" and so on. OK, same thing the molester messiah's program has been saying to us all along. And lets not forget that Sanat and his wife were part of the GBC's "guru-school" program of Satsvarupa, where they told me "every single kid in our school was molested." And they did not report this problem to the police, or even to the devotee public at large. Hence many victims call this "a conspiracy of silence." These victims are CORRECT to say that. So if they find a nice CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSE enabler, he is their hero, and anyone trying to stop their abuse agenda is -- the bad guy!
Read: they ALL covered it up.
And Sanat says that their SDG worst case school molester was moved from yet ANOTHER GBC school over to theirs from another GBC guru's zone. So that means there was another -- known -- criminal issue, the UNDER-REPORTED molester webs and nests problem. This process was spreading the molesting around to more areas of the society, where abusers were being moved from one place to another. And it was self evidently not being reported, and / or not causing sufficient alarm.
One of the victims told me he was very upset that the GBC and HKC Jaipur group of folks (like Prahlad and Krishna Kirtan etc.) have tried to spread the idea that there was NO real molesting problem going on, these children were simply "making this up" to collect money. Yep, the ex-children are suffering from PTSD symptoms, drug problems, psychological problems -- including suicides and so forth -- because they wanted money? OK that really does not make any sense? Children are committing suicide, to make money? Its another cop out excuse to cover up their complicity in the crimes against children agenda.
Some of these folks also said that the hundreds of people chanting "Jaya Bhaktipada" -- while he was covered with the hands of dozens of boys -- are "the innocent." And PADA should not make these innocent folks pay money for all the problems their program caused to children. Because they are wonderful people who are making an innocent program (of worshiping deviants as acharyas)? How can the people who are all chanting "Jaya Bhaktipada" while he is covered with the hands of many boys be -- the innocent, whether GBC leader or rank and file?
Anyway the only good news is, if there is any -- this issue has also been certified as a fully valid complaint by almost everyone. Hardly anyone now says "this is all PADA lies" anymore.
6) The POISON issue. There is evidence Srila Prabhupada complains of being poisoned. There are too many details to this investigation that would take too much space herein, but suffice it to say MORE and MORE people are thinking that there was a CRIMINAL conspiracy to poison Srila Prabhupada. Satyam Eva Jayate -- truth shall prevail.
Jayate. ys pd
angel108b@yahoo.com
http://killgurubecomeguru.org/2017/06/posting-from-truth-committee-srila-prabhupadas-poisoning/
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