Krishna Kant Desai / IRM / Child Abuse vs Bricks and Stones

PADA: Some examples of the child abuse in question:

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Why is Krishna Kanta Desai's IRM attacking PADA?

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We told Krishna Kanta Desai (IRM chief editor) around 1997 that there has been a serious child abuse program going on in the GBC's "managed" programs. For example, we told the Krishna Kanta's IRM folks that Sulochana had called the GBC's guru system "the anal reconstructive surgery epidemic for young boys guru sampradaya" and that he said the people who defended the GBC guru system were "boot lickers for the butt busters" etc. And that Sulochan and me had collected various testimony from victims in the GBC's "guru schools" and their parents, so we had this issue validated.  

We also told the IRM folks that we had many ISKCON devotee eye-witness testimonies, for example from a young mother who told us that there had been an "anal abuse" problem way back in the early 1980s. And another young mother told us she had had a nervous breakdown when she found out her five year old son was "giving massages" to a GBC guru, and so on and so forth. 

So Krishna Kanta Desai's IRM was well aware of the child abuse issue, because we personally told them all about it -- in extensive detail. Of course, if some of the rank and file  mothers told me they knew there was a problem, what to speak then of various elders, seniors, and leaders who also should have known, and most likely we believe many of these folks did know. 

Thus, various accounts of an ongoing child abuse infrastructure were already explained in our newsletters by that time, so it was more or less common public knowledge that there had been a child abuse problem. And the murder of someone like Chakradhari was also connected to his challenging the molesting issue, and his murder was well known by this time and so forth.  

What happened is that a lot of these parents, seniors, leaders etc. did not want to really make a "criminal case" out of the child molesting issue because a lawsuit would "cost a lot of money" and so they thought their duty was to "save the buildings of ISKCON" by preserving the assets. 

And by 1997 there was NO clear indication that this critical issue had been fixed. Nor did the IRM make any plan to address the child abuse issue, rather they wanted to remove me and my writings from the scene by having me go to the Caribbean, to further SUPPRESS, cover up and HIDE the issue. And the reason the IRM folks (like Kamsahanta) cited was, we cannot allow the buildings to be lost. The bricks and stones need to be saved, the children, not so much.

Srila Prabhupada has said that this same disease happened in the post-1936 Gaudiya Matha. Their people then became very much concerned over "the bricks and stones" and thus all sorts of victimization of the citizens was overlooked so as to not make a public scandal that would possibly harm assets of the society. Even the young son of the bogus guru was poisoned to death because the "Gaudiya Matha guru mata" mother feared her child would expose their scandals, and she wanted to "save the bricks and stones." Same disease went on there. What happens if Yamaraja says, "Fine, you folks saved a few bricks and a few stones, but you allowed Krishna's children to suffer and die?"

And we reported at the time that Bhavananda's pals like Dhanurdar, Jayapataka, Nitai Chand, Satadhanya, Hari Sauri and similar others were still running a lot of things. So it was well known the the molester infrastructure folks were now basically running the show on the properties. And it was never really the intent of PADA to either preserve or not preserve the bricks and stones, that was not our priority issue.

So we said at the time, without some sort of urgent legal action, possibly hundreds of children would still be left confined in that system in 1997, and could still potentially be in danger of abuse. This apparently has not registered on the IRM radar as a big problem, because they told me we cannot allow the buildings and assets jeopardized. Of course, that was the same rationale used by some parents, elders and leaders who were telling me and Sulochan in 1986, we need to save the bricks and stones. Read: we can toss the children under the bus to preserve the external assets. Money indeed is the honey, but people, not so much.

In addition there was the other problem of younger, minor aged females, being married off to much older men. Again, an issue we were alarmed about at the time. And according to various now grown women, they were liberated from New Vrndavana and similar places thanks to our efforts. OK another problem that the parents, elders and leaders did not report to the police "to save the bricks and stones of ISKCON." 

This issue apparently does not register on a lot of folks radar as a big problem either, including the IRM. Never mind one of these young ladies told me she was going to commit suicide to avoid being married off. Yep. It is amazing to me that some victims just have suffer, be abused, and maybe die, to save the most important agenda on the planet, the worship of the founder fathers of the anal reconstructive surgery guru sampradaya in big buildings?


In addition, there was a growing drug abuse, depression and even a suicide epidemic of previous victims, which was being discussed in our newsletter at the time. And thus this issue was generally known in the devotee community. This too apparently did not register widely among the devotee community or on the IRM radar as a big problem, because addressing this would jeopardize the assets. Same type things happened in the Catholic church, to the peril of the victims. The assets were saved, the victims were tossed under the bus, then there was a suicide of victims process.  

These victims just have to "suck it up" and suffer. OK same process the bogus GBC itself was orchestrating. You victims can suffer, you can die, but we cannot allow the founder fathers of the anal reconstructive surgery guru sampradaya to lose the assets of control over the buildings, because then they will not have a place to be worshiped as God's messiah successors? 

And thus, we explained all this (and more) to many folks at the time, and we concluded we needed to halt this odious program with a possible lawsuit, because nothing else of substance will address the crisis. However again, Krishna Kanta and his IRM side kicks at the time (like Kamsahanta) said -- we cannot take legal action to save the children from abuse and maybe even suicide because "ISKCON will lose a lot money and maybe buildings." 

We want children to worship the leaders of the anal surgery guru sampradaya, and in big buildings no less? Krishna Kanta now says PADA has caused the children to have a sour attitude towards the religion and to report that in the lawsuit, however the biggest complaints we get from victims is about -- the founders, assistants and their cheer leaders and cover up crew of the molester infrastructure. OK folks like Krishna Kanta ilk are thus the efficient cause of the children having soured on Krishna. 

In other words the people who try to stop us from addressing the issue are the main reason the ex-children go sour on ISKCON, because they believe there is a conspiracy against them. And Krishna Kanta would thus be one of those conspirators since he has wanted to suppress their complaints, by suppressing us. And he still does want to suppress the victims, by suppressing us.  

And so the IRM leaders at the time told me they were meeting with big GBC leaders like Jayapataka and Hrdayananda to "make a deal" for them to become "ritviks" and give up their guru titles. The plight of the children was not even addressed self-evidently? And then the IRM folks told me flat out to QUIT WRITING the PADA newsletter (about the children's issue) and take a long vacation in the Caribbean so their "deal with the GBC" could take place. 

Thus, the children issue should be ignored and abandoned. And worse -- for me personally -- my going to the Caribbean would not be good for my safety, as a number of people pointed out. I could have possibly disappeared off the map after going there for my "vacation." (?) Hee hee, one of my friends said "don't go, this will be a permanent vacation." 

Yet Krishna Kanta insisted that he had "worked out a deal with the GBC gurus to have me take a long Caribbean vacation and the GBC would pay for it," and I should accept that deal for the sake of making ISKCON a ritvik program. OK, so he made a deal about me, without even consulting if I wanted to participate in such a deal? And all of this was being done, to save the bricks and stones and allow the victims to be tossed under the bus aka Catholic Church abuse story pt. II.  

In sum, there was a previous and perhaps current "anal reconstructive surgery epidemic for boys" process going on, but for sure an ongoing "growing suicide epidemic of victims." And yet the IRM people have not even been registering that this is the big problem. The problem is, PADA wants to stop the child abuse and subsequent suicides process, and then we lose "our" precious bricks and stones. Read: The IRM identifies with the regime.

Meanwhile the IRM never explained why they were busy making deals with the GBC, and not making deals with us? Why wasn't the IRM consulting us and the child abuse victims, and instead was consulting with the leaders of the victimizers process? Simple, we did not own the assets and buildings, so we did not count as valid partners. Its all about the bricks and stones and who manages that asset.

The IRM folks instead had mainly been worried about people like Jayapataka and Hrdayananda losing some of their big buildings, where they have been worshiped as the sum total of the demigods. Yep, that is the priority, we can toss children under the bus because we need to make sure the leaders of the anal reconstructive surgery guru pooja-ites program are not only in office, but make sure we keep them in their big fat giant buildings keeping pooja for these leaders going on. And that is the topmost IRM priority. We need to save the buildings, and not the citizens, same trap the Gaudiya Math and Catholic Church fell into.

So lets suppress the people bringing forward the child abuse issue like PADA, even by sending us on (permanent?) vacation in the Caribbean. Then again, a psychotherapist person told me the number one important item for victims of traumatic abuse is to VALIDATE their victimization, which is why lawsuits against the Catholic Church reduces the SUICIDES and other bad results in victims. 

And we have had the same result in ISKCON, the numbers of suicides were reduced thanks to "breaking the logjam of abuse complaints." And in fact some victims told us the lawsuit saved their lives because they were on the verge of suicide due to having their victimization swept under the rug "to save the bricks and stones." So the Krishna Kanta plan to not have the abuse validated with a lawsuit means, more victimization and more suicides will happen, the process will continue and its that simple to figure out. And that is why he was meeting with the leaders of the bricks and stones asset managers, and not the victims.

OK, to sum then, people have to be abused and even die so that the GBC and their hand maidens like Krishna Kanta can keep the founder fathers of the anal reconstructive surgery for boys guru sampradaya being worshiped in big buildings. We cannot lose the buildings where the founders of the anal pooja process are being worshiped as good as God! Forsooth! 

And PADA needs to be silenced because advocating for the victims of their program is a bad idea. And by silencing the advocates for the child abuse victims, then they wonder why the victims have a bad attitude towards the religion? These IRM defenders of the molester messiahs project are the cause of the bad attitude of the victims, as a number of victims have told me, "The defenders of our oppressors are just as bad as our oppressors, because one cannot work without the other." 

That is why various victims tell me Krishna Kanta, Sanat, Mukunda, Prahlad, HKC Jaipur folks et al. are clearly in bed with the molesters, because they want to stop PADA from opposing the molester regime. That only helps the bad guys. OK and Krishna Kanta also told me not to work with Hansadutta to get the changed books lawsuit done. They wanted people to have only Jayadvaita's books.

OK and Krishna Kanta told me to drop the poison issue, and he wrote a long counter position paper basically saying Srila Prabhupada was deluded to say he was being poisoned, same thing Tamal says. Worse, Krishna Kanta claims he has "defeated" Srila Prabhupada's poison compliant. Worse, Krishna Kanta says only if we can convince the meat and cigar court judge will he accept the poison issue. And in sum we cannot sue the GBC over molesting, changed books, and bring forward the poison issue "to save the bricks and stones."

And then the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur folks all started citing Krishna Kanta, because they also self-evidently agreed with the IRM, they wanted the founder fathers of the "anal reconstructive surgery for little boys guru sampradaya" to be worshiped in big buildings, and for the ongoing abuse and suicides issue to go on without any tangible resolution. And they have done zip to fix this since 1997.

We need to allow the founders of the anal reconstructive surgery sampradaya to be worshiped in big buildings, and that is why that process continues even now, there is evidently too much sympathy for that "bricks and stones" agenda. And we need to keep little children worshiping that odious process in "a big building"? And some of them have been not only having secret meetings with Jayapataka, they have been having public meetings with GBC defenders like Bhakta das and they are telling us to listen to Radhanath's pals.

Prahlad even told me the anal reconstructive surgery sampradaya folks are "innocent" and should not be held accountable for their process. Worship of an anal reconstructive surgery guru sampradaya is "innocent"? And needs to be protected by these guys? How does that help the victims, telling them their abuse regime is populated by the innocent? OK so the people who feed the brick and stones program are innocent, and that is why the Catholic Church has descended into a continuous bad media process -- because, most people believe the citizens are more priority than the bricks and stones.

And recently a person asked me why Krishna Kanta would want to defend such a process, and the self-evident answer we agreed to is -- he wants to get some sort of position of authority from their camp, and maybe a piece of the bricks and stones asset. He is motivated, and the GBC are motivated, so naturally they will unite to agree to stop our objecting to child abuse, book changes and poison issue.  

And many victims tell me PADA has been the MAIN VOICE for the victims by presenting their case. Various victims thanked me for saving them from ABUSE, young females thanked me for saving them from being MARRIED off to much older men, and a number thanked me for saving them from SUICIDE. Many Karmi medias have consulted me over these issues, including TV, newspapers, and the writers of historical books like Killing for Krishna, as well as police, FBI and so on, because they also understood that there has been a brick and stone saving program -- and a children being oppressed program. 

And the reason we are consulted is, we have given a voice to the oppressed brahmanas, women and children victims of this regime. And it seems the root problem at every step from our opponents, they are always talking about the need to preserve the bricks and stones, but that is not the main asset of a religion. Following the siddhanta is, and saving the vulnerable citizens of the Church is also one of its main priorities.

Why would anyone start consulting with the leaders of the anal reconstructive surgery guru sampradaya and then tell me to BE SILENT, and move to the Caribbean to be paid to live there by the leaders of this regime? And to silence our advocacy for these victims? OK unless they are in league with the victimizer's party? 

OK unless they are part of the conspiracy to allow these crimes to continue? And to  cover up these crimes? And why would people like Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur et al. cite Krishna Kanta's writings, knowing he has been consulting with the leaders of this regime with an aim to SILENCE the advocates for criminal child abuse? And thus to allow MORE abuse, MORE criminal victimization, and worse, MORE SUICIDES? 

And why would someone like Prahlad say there is "no proof" these folks are in favor of allowing these crimes against children to go on -- by stopping us from checking the problem, when there is solid evidence that the regime they are defending has been committing these crimes, and moreover both Prahlad and Krishna Kanta have admitted there has been a pedophile problem?  

In sum, we are against anal reconstructive surgery guru sampradayas, and we are sorry we even have to explain to anyone why that is. And we are really sad that in this Kali yuga people think that a bogus person who dresses in an orange robe is a a sadhu, and we need to keep these bogus people in big buildings and allow the congregation members to be exploited. This is simply a symptom of Kali yuga, anyone with an orange robe with money, assets and big buildings will be worshiped, and the siddhanta and the plight of the citizens are no longer a priority. 

As one victim said to us, "their precious bricks and stones can be recovered, our ruined lives cannot be recovered." Anyway good luck to all. However, we might remember what the Bible says, we can gain the assets of the world, but lose our souls.  

"Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
ys pd     

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