Thanks for your question about PADA vs Dayalu Nitai's program and your doubts in visiting their program on your upcoming tour of Jaipur.
Basically, they are a lot like ISKCON. They have some nice souls in their program, however they also have some in their group who have argued vociferously with me -- that we are wrong to try to stop criminal child abuse, and subsequent suicides of victims.
Its amazing to me that HKC folks or anyone else would defend criminal child abuse direct or de facto -- by their trying to help the criminals with opposing us -- knowing full well various victims of their process are rejecting the Krishna religion -- if not commiting suicide. Never mind Krishna devotees should be first to object to such odious criminal behaviors, because even the village drunk does not support such a process and he would join PADA with our complaints.
The HKC folks complain that some ex-children are speaking ill of the Krishna religion, and no wonder, when these guys are creating the impression that criminal child abuse needs to continue without "devotees" helping contain it. They are creating the impression that child abuse should be enabled and allowed to continue, and this is part of the teachings of Krishna. It is not.
In sum, it is the HKC folks who are making these children have a bad impression of the religion. Stopping criminal child abuse should -- not be done, or else you will be attacked by HKC and associates? Then they wonder why children are getting a bad impression of the religion? Defending criminal child abuse is going to give a good impression of the religion? To whom, maybe Satan?
The HKC big associates even made a web site complaining that we are wrong to stop criminal child abuse and suicides of victims. Needless to say, this has made them highly unpopular with a good number of child abuse victims. Various people write to ask me, "Why are HKC folks still defending the criminal child abuse program -- and they object to your halting it"? And one of these victims told me that the HKC Jaipur is even worse than the GBC because they are defending the GBC's pedophile guru programs by opposing PADA, in the name of a "reform."
Anyway, some of the associates of members of this program like Kamadeva and Bhakta Peter have told me they agree with PADA, that criminal child abuse has to be halted, its just a few of their inner core fanatics who won't issue a statement declaring that PADA is correct, criminal child abuse has to be halted forthwith. For his part Dayalu writes to say PADA is a liar, which is how these defenders of child abuse ilk have created their whole child abuse process all along. We say there is molesting, they say we are liars, and they thus enable and perpetuate these crimes thereby. Its amazing that by calling us liars these ilk folks created thousands of abuse victims, and they are -- proud they are doing that?
And so they should simply make a written position paper clarification, they and anyone else have been making a big mistake vociferously defending the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile messiah's regime -- by telling me I should allow hundreds of children to remain in that odious cult and have children worship deviants if not pedophiles as their acharyas, and have some of the victims of that process committing suicide.
Why do they want little children to remain in the grips of a criminal child abuse process? Of course there are a lot of other "devotees" who sweep this or other criminal behaviors under the carpet, and that is why the religion has a bad name, these criminal ilk people have been taking it over and making criminal behavior the accepted norm. And this explains why the HKC Jaipur promotes Bhakta das to us, he is himself a criminal and a defender of Radhanath and the criminal regime.
Some of their people have tried to tell me "many other Prabhupadanugas agree with HKC" ---umm, names please? Who are these "many" people? They never give me a list of names of these so-called many people? Nor can we think of any "numbers of people" who agree that its fine to vociferously object to stopping mass criminal child abuse programs. OK its another bluff from these folks, there are not "a lot of people" who agree that criminal child abuse should be allowed to continue unchecked. Anyway, in a nutshell, I don't think their program is bona fide, they are compromised. ys pd (angel108b@yahoo.com)
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2019/05/hkc-jaipur-clan-demonizes-people-to-get.html
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2015/12/dayalu-nitai-hkc-jaipur-letter-on.html
Hee hee, yes its often other criminals who do not like to see their fellow criminals being taken to task. Yes, even "karmis" are baffled by all this. They sometimes ask me -- how can "devotees of God" desire to see criminal behavior allowed to continue unchecked, unless they are themselves criminals posing as devotees of God, and they sympathize with their fellow criminals? Yep, even ordinary folks can figure this all out. The problem is, the criminals stick together and defend one another, and the opposing elements, not so much. Yes, crimes, including crimes against children, should be allowed to continue, and that is the reason their whole program has failed. ys pd
ReplyDeleteM Dasi: As a former nurse in a prison I have to say that among the worst lot of prisoners, anyone thought to be a child abuser is treated very badly there. There were sometimes broken bones, if you get my drift. Some of these people begged to get solitary to avoid being with the other prisoners. So its a little amazing that anyone claiming to be a Krishna devotee would have sympathy for these type guys when even the worst prisoners know its criminal and wrong.
ReplyDeleteI also think we need to have some kind of Prabhupadanuga paper "this is what we believe" and have anyone claiming to be a leader sign the paper. This would include: making Srila Prabhupada the only acharya and diksha guru; no changed books, no changed programs; financial accountability; no tolerance for child abuse or other crimes to name a few things.
We have to make some standard for the people who want to be Prabhupadanuga leaders. Other than that, I know some of the former children victims and wanted to say that anyone who calls them "liars who just wanted to get money" is a heartless sub-human. Thanks for your service.
Thanks B prabhu. Yes, I saw the comment you forwarded. A person was saying that the Krishna devotees do not seem to care for either the institution, or their own children. Of course I would say, both are interchanged. If there is no viable institution, then their children will be alienated and gone anyway -- because their children will have no shelter there. And if there are no children, because they are alienated AWAY, then the institution will fail and be gone. Either way, we end up with ghost town and zero sum result, and children wandering off the reservation to who knows what other programs and gurus and what not.
ReplyDeleteOur efforts have recovered at least a few people and a few programs, but its too little too late for a lot of folks. Your point is well taken, if the devotees are not going to pursue criminal child abuse, when even the scum-iest prisoners in jail will not take lightly a child abuser perp, then that really opens the flood gates for all sorts of other crimes, because if the main priority crime is ignored, or even defended, then all the lesser other crimes will be ignored and defended. Yup. I agree, its sad that some people from other institutions are writing this about the ISKCON process. It means the GBC is responsible for severely deteriorating the name of the mission.
Yep, you are right HKC ilk people are saying they "defeated PADA," which means they only defeated their children victims. You are further right, they could not defeat any GBC or any perp, they can only defeat traumatized children victims of crimes. They defeated the traumatized victims of crimes by calling them liars, and that is something they are proud of? Yep, you got it! ys pd
Right B prabhu, if we cannot get the devotees to at least unite under the banner of protecting children from illegal and criminal abuse, and from worshiping debauchees as their messiahs etc., then there is little chance of uniting the devotees under any other banner. Agreed. That is why we had to go to the outside media, police, courts, FBI and such to help us, because at least these "karmi" folks know that illegal child abuse has to be halted forthwith and worship of debauchees should be forbidden for children. Its going to take time for "the devotees" to catch up to the speed of the karmis, hee hee. In Alachua they still promote people like Radhanath, knowing he was a kingpin leader of a giant criminal and / or child molesting empire of New Vrndavana. But he is still a saint that your children have to worship. And the HKC people are still sending my photo to the GBC goondas to get me killed, because its self evident, they are still working with the GBC goondas to suppress anyone who complains about their criminal process, including mass child abuse. They are not making such threats to ANY of the perps, the perps always get a free pass. So they are called by us "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of pedophiles and deviants -- for children -- process." And the HKC are simply another group of the enforcers of that program, that's all. So they are all proving that we were right to go to the "karmi" folks for help, the "karmis" understand that child abuse and worship of deviants is -- a sin, for starters, and criminal to boot. Many devotees just have not yet figured this out, that's all. A Christian Church group has added PADA articles to their web site, they maybe see how we are having "religion" problems that they are taking interest in how we are addressing them. ys pd
ReplyDeleteThanks prabhu. Yes, the HKC Jaipur folks self-advertised "senior man" Prahlad das claims to have renounced the Mukunda Hitler program, but he just recently posted another article by Mukunda on his blog. They are STILL promoting the Hitler-anugas, just as we said they were. Why does Prahlad's program want Krishna to be linked to Hitler? Many devotees told me that their Hitler program is even worse than the GBC in intentionally giving Krishna a bad name. Why have they dedicated their lives to giving Krishna's name a black eye? Yep, Srila Prabhupada says Hitler is another cat and dog bodily consciousness, therefore, we need to glorify that? Hitler was a brave warrior, because he killed himself in a bunker. That is their idea of brave fighting? Why do they want people to identify Krishna as a supporter of Hitler? ys pd http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/11/the-hitler-prajalpa-program-update.html
ReplyDeleteThanks prabhu. Yes HKC's thug Prahlad says GBC gurus like Indradyumna are pedophiles because of his touchy feely with kids, or at least these guys supported the GBC's pedophile guru program. Yet, as soon as Prahlad and his HKC Jaipur pals find out hundreds of children have been liberated from the Indradyumna program, they make a web site saying its wrong for us to stop children from worship of Indradyumna? Yes, these HKC people need to start working with those of us who oppose these pedophile guru programs, and quit working with the Bhakta das / Indradyumna project. ys pd
ReplyDeleteYes M Dasi when all this started I DID tell the HKC Jaipur people that we had liberated hundreds of children from the GBC's guru-schools. And their HKC pal now admits -- these children were thus worshiping a parampara that contains pedophiles. And we further explained that child victimization had been going on. And we also explained we had reduced the suicides of some of the victims.
ReplyDeleteThe HKC crew responded that we are wrong to do all that because "we know India shastra better than you, a bogus Western person." Well right, but if we rely on "India scholars" who are not even protesting worship of deviants, or worse -- deviants being buried in samadhis over there, then what?
And worse, we just printed an article where some India scholars are saying women gurus are wrong, but burying deviants in samadhis is not even mentioned as a problem? At the same time, my 85 year old neighbor lady who has a pile of cats in her house, she knows that worship of pedophiles and deviants as God's successors is -- wrong, and she would never defend such a program like HKC Jaipur and / or other self-appointed "scholars."
So it does seem like there is a lot of pride in being some sort of India born special spiritualized being, and some are special and friends with PADA, but clearly some are not even able to catch up to speed with our 85 year old cat lady neighbor. She knows more about spiritual standards than some of these guys ever will in this lifetime. Then Bhakta Peter told me these HKC guys are "smarter than you will ever be" --- ummm, because they are defending the process of children worshiping peodphiles as their messiahs? So really, they cannot now say they did not know the facts when they attacked us, we explained this to them over and over and over. They knew they were defending a pedophile guru program, they knew Bhakta das was a defender of the worship of deviants, because we told them that all along. Yes, they knew all along that we liberated hundreds of children from worship of what they themselves now agree is worship of pedophiles program. So its not possible for them to argue they did not know, and we also explained this in detail to HKC pals like Bhakta Peter, and he agreed that PADA and our cat lady grand ma are correct, children cannot be allowed to worship deviants as God's successors, to be abused, and so forth. Has to be nipped forthwith.
Meanwhile notice, HKC Jaipur people do not even bother to go to Vrndavana with signs and placards to protest the worship of pedophiles, porno swamis and deviants in the dham. They are acquiescing with all these deviations, and when not doing that, they are vociferously defending deviants being worshiped as God's successors. They only complain about the people who complain about these deviations. And Prahlad says the people who bury deviants in samadhis are "innocent" and should not be held accountable for all this. Worshiping pedophiles is innocent? And this is the HKC Jaipur's senior guy? Worship of pedophiles is innocent, protesting such worship is evil, and yes that has been their process the whole time -- same process as the GBC guru regime has treated us. My cat lady neighbor is ten million light years ahead of these people, they will never catch up to her this lifetime. ys pd
Yes prabhu, unfortunately we had to re-explain all this to another "new bhakta devotee," that as soon as the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad (Paul Coats?) / Dayalu Nitai's HKC Jaipur clan finds out children are being saved from: Anal reconstructive surgery epidemics; Being beaten black and blue and having their bones broke from beatings with bamboo rods; Being deprived of food and medicine and maybe even soap, these HKC Jaipur clan guys are infuriated that their favorite program is being curtailed. No, they never explain why they are the most vociferous defenders of that process on the planet. Oh I forgot, their hero Prahlad said that their "innocent" buggery program will lose some money if this crisis is addressed. They want to save dollars, and yep, it looks like they have to toss thousands of children into a wood chipper to save their precious dollars. All glories to, dollars? And they are still quoting from their Hitler-pada program? Anyway, the good news is, this new bhakta says anyone who defends child abusers is almost the same level as the abusers themselves, they are the enablers of the abuse. ys pd
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