JND: This (Prabhavishnu swami) person is a cockroach for cheating devotees like this, and anyone who supports this is also a cockroach. Washing the feet of lowlifes who go to prostitutes in Thailand, and then pretending they are gurus and pure devotees is the worst deviation. This is the proof that ISKCON is infiltrated by asuras, as the GBC supports such people and protects them.
People will hate me for speaking honestly, but anyway most friendships in this world are fake. We have to speak the truth and not allow these people to destroy Srila Prabhupada's movement..
GGDA: Is he Prabhavishnu Prabhu?
PADA: Yes.
DS: - They are just wearing saffon cloth that's all. You are staying in South India. You know How the Mutt Sanyasis are?? Just compare whether these idiots are equal to them?? Rest leave to your Hanumanji > He know how to destroy them .. now days Iskcon is nothing but another catholic [voted in Popes] organisation.
DKD: I just remembered how Rohini Suta Pr. was banned because he married a disciple. He didn't do anything else wrong -- then this. But he seems to have much less support maybe because he is of more straight nature.
JND: And Rohini Suta was not a sannyasi. He decided to get married and follow regulations, but they banned him. Meanwhile some people on the insiders club go to prostitutes, get caught, and nothing happens to them.
PADA: Double standards?
RKD: Some idiot is saying, accidentally fall down. Empty can makes big sound .
JND: The reason is obvious, he knows about other [GBC] people doing the same thing, so they have to protect him and keep him in power. I can list half a dozen ISKCON leaders doing the same type thing in Thailand.
WE: That’s some heavy stuff. I’m quite curious how you came to know of this deviation.
BV: I’ve done a short research just few minutes ago. Google is full of infos about him.
WE: The thing is with the internet, you can’t be 100% sure. I was thinking more like personal accounts from honest trustworthy people.
DK: Once they asked Bhakti Siddhanta Sarasvati Thakur how Kali will enter the Gaudiya Matha, Srila Thakur said that he will enter through the main door. Kali is very powerful. This is war against Kali and there will be many victims in spiritual organizations.
JND: It is hilarious that even in 2019, he hangs out in Thailand as a "preacher" of ISKCON. The Bangkok ISKCON website says: "H.G Prabavishnu Prabhu (prabhavisnu.acbsp@pamho.net) sannaya/senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada often visits and performs different preaching activities in Bangkok."
CV: Jahnava Nitai Das hanging out in the gogo bars?
VD: This is really sad. Wow! How low can he go? Cringeworthy.
MS: These verse is for such kind of “ Sadhus” :
.......envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification. (Sri Isopanisad Mantra 12)
RS: Better to wash the feet of a prostitute, then a pretender.
RV: The argument is -- that it is an accidental fall down like a spot on a moon ... like Bilva mangala was overcome by lust due to prārabda but determined in Bhakti. It is similar to the church protecting even paedophiles. Such things happened. [They should get married.]
Once you chant Harinam once you become an adhikari.
RKD: Agree, When they fall down they should married , if not he is eating his own Vomit.
People will hate me for speaking honestly, but anyway most friendships in this world are fake. We have to speak the truth and not allow these people to destroy Srila Prabhupada's movement..
GGDA: Is he Prabhavishnu Prabhu?
PADA: Yes.
DS: - They are just wearing saffon cloth that's all. You are staying in South India. You know How the Mutt Sanyasis are?? Just compare whether these idiots are equal to them?? Rest leave to your Hanumanji > He know how to destroy them .. now days Iskcon is nothing but another catholic [voted in Popes] organisation.
DKD: I just remembered how Rohini Suta Pr. was banned because he married a disciple. He didn't do anything else wrong -- then this. But he seems to have much less support maybe because he is of more straight nature.
JND: And Rohini Suta was not a sannyasi. He decided to get married and follow regulations, but they banned him. Meanwhile some people on the insiders club go to prostitutes, get caught, and nothing happens to them.
PADA: Double standards?
RKD: Some idiot is saying, accidentally fall down. Empty can makes big sound .
JND: The reason is obvious, he knows about other [GBC] people doing the same thing, so they have to protect him and keep him in power. I can list half a dozen ISKCON leaders doing the same type thing in Thailand.
WE: That’s some heavy stuff. I’m quite curious how you came to know of this deviation.
BV: I’ve done a short research just few minutes ago. Google is full of infos about him.
WE: The thing is with the internet, you can’t be 100% sure. I was thinking more like personal accounts from honest trustworthy people.
DK: Once they asked Bhakti Siddhanta Sarasvati Thakur how Kali will enter the Gaudiya Matha, Srila Thakur said that he will enter through the main door. Kali is very powerful. This is war against Kali and there will be many victims in spiritual organizations.
JND: It is hilarious that even in 2019, he hangs out in Thailand as a "preacher" of ISKCON. The Bangkok ISKCON website says: "H.G Prabavishnu Prabhu (prabhavisnu.acbsp@pamho.net) sannaya/senior disciple of Srila Prabhupada often visits and performs different preaching activities in Bangkok."
CV: Jahnava Nitai Das hanging out in the gogo bars?
VD: This is really sad. Wow! How low can he go? Cringeworthy.
MS: These verse is for such kind of “ Sadhus” :
.......envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification. (Sri Isopanisad Mantra 12)
RS: Better to wash the feet of a prostitute, then a pretender.
RV: The argument is -- that it is an accidental fall down like a spot on a moon ... like Bilva mangala was overcome by lust due to prārabda but determined in Bhakti. It is similar to the church protecting even paedophiles. Such things happened. [They should get married.]
Once you chant Harinam once you become an adhikari.
RKD: Agree, When they fall down they should married , if not he is eating his own Vomit.
HS: OMG cockroach... that is a great definition.
RKD: Yes. Some idiot is saying accidental fall down, please read and study Srila Prabhupada books.
GSD: Guru guru on the wall who's most fallen of them all?
RD: Lol. What a character!
PRT: it's a very sad situation. I agree that he has every right to practice Krishna Consciousness and preach but he doesn't have a right or deserve to be worshipped in this way.
MRD: These are symptoms of most of the bogus sects. Even when things are going wrong before you, you will never admit it, cuz you have no character, no spine, no developed persona, no self confidence, cant make any decision on your own, for every little stupid thing you have to ask guru, etc.. no power of self-decision. when one is surrounded with this kind of naive sheep, very easy to manipulate with religious quotes and taking things out of context and blending into your vision.
GSD: Guru guru on the wall who's most fallen of them all?
RD: Lol. What a character!
PRT: it's a very sad situation. I agree that he has every right to practice Krishna Consciousness and preach but he doesn't have a right or deserve to be worshipped in this way.
MRD: These are symptoms of most of the bogus sects. Even when things are going wrong before you, you will never admit it, cuz you have no character, no spine, no developed persona, no self confidence, cant make any decision on your own, for every little stupid thing you have to ask guru, etc.. no power of self-decision. when one is surrounded with this kind of naive sheep, very easy to manipulate with religious quotes and taking things out of context and blending into your vision.
Disciples and followers are the problem. These guys gurus, sanyasis, etc. they try it all, and they see its working. They can rape kids, have sex with women, steal money, kill acharya, change books, lie, pretend to be pure, anyone challenging them is banned as a deviant demon. They protect themselves etc.. so until you will have naive followers and blind disciples, you will always have "everything goes" gurus. You see in other sects and religions, they are still around, some more powerful, some less, it the nature of the sects, you can talk sh*t and blame all others, but as you can see, not one of them gets ever punished, never.
He is moved to another post or a temple, etc.. Why do you expect someone wearing sanyasa clothes to be prefect or pure devotee? Sanyas is only an ashrama as any other ashrama and anyone can dress it, but only few have real bhakti regardless of ashrama, but it as we know, the show must go on. Take care of your own bhatki and leave this people alone, if it not helps you to be more aware of Krishna, just leave it. Nature has a way of correcting itself.
SDL Hare Krishna !!!
( article.....JND........)
Look , I am convinced that 90 % of ISKCON are honest , OR want to be honest ~~~~~~90 % love Prabhupada. OR want to love Prabhupada !!! I do not think that management is so dotish (a combination of mad and stupidity ) , .......to want simple devotees to become militant !!! We are supposed to have Kshatriyas, but ....................................... Nevertheless , the High Court Case for
1 ) FRAUD , for hiding Prabhupada's *Will* and other Legal documents, for 8 years, lying and misleading ISKCON, and all its followers worldwide. Thereby, hijacking and seizing his ISKCON !!! ..........PLUS Prabhupada's complaints of torture and poisoning, from his recordings, Conversations and books !!!
2 ) MURDER ...... for killing Sulocana and others ....
Prabhu, For stealing all Prabhupada legal documents. In 1985, 8 years after
Prabhupada's followers were already mislead, and giving it to all followers
Worldwide !!!
3 ) CONSPIRACY TO MURDER THE FOUNDER ACARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA !!
Prabhupada Will be, Must be, and Is going to be , ..........restored as the sole Diksa Guru in His ISKCON Movement !!! JOIN THE PRABHUPADA REVOLUTION !!!
~~~~~~~and be counted ~~~~~~~
Step Forward Silently OR Vocally !!!
All glories to all the Sincere followers of Prabhupada Worldwide !!!!
Sri Caitanya Nityananda The Acaryas Prabhupada Ki Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai !!!!!
PADA: Yep, Prabhavishnu was not helping me much when I said we have to get rid of Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja, illicit sex and LSD-pada, PV wanted a piece of the stolen pie. ys pd
CM: Its one thing to fall down..... but to pretend to be a guru when fallen is abominable. I don't know anything about these people beyond what you are suggesting here. When I fell down I left the San Francisco temple and went back to art school, not only because I wanted to practice art, but because I didn't want to sully Prabhupada's movement with my bullshit. Its very sad for me to have so little devotee association all these years, but I hope someday I will deserve it again.
If a devotee falls down he or she may always come back as long as they are humble. Of course you are pointing out a profound lack of humility and grace in regards to this individual. Very unfortunate to sully the reputation of Prabhupada's movement in this way. All that said I don't think Prabhupada would want us to give up on ISKCON. He created it with great love.... the actions of some cannot really contaminate the essential ISKCON.
JND: You are one of the great warriors of ISKCON. I felt bad when Prithu (another fallen ISKCON guru) suddenly came in and closed down the San Francisco temple after your years of struggle and hard work to keep it open all alone. I think most of us agree, there is nothing wrong with devotees struggling to follow some aspects of spiritual life. What is wrong is when people are fallen for twenty years but still making people wash their feet, drink their foot water, and worship them equal to God.. That is disgusting behavior.
CM: Thanks you for your kind words Prabhu.
RK: Two Men = Two Opinions
Since Hanuman had been a sannyasi and then had gotten married, he lost his GBC position. Hanuman said, "Srila Prabhupada, I don't seem to get along well with my God-brothers."
Prabhupada smiled and said, "That's all right. Actually, I didn't like my spiritual master's Society either." We were surprised.
Then Prabhupada became serious. He counted with his fingers and said,
"I associated with my spiritual master about ten times. But I follow all his instructions. In that way, I am never separate from him, and he is never away from me. Wherever there are two men, there are two opinions. So now you go and preach the cult of Lord Chaitanya." ~ Nrhari dasa from Prabhupada Memories recorded by Siddhanta dasa
JND: So in this particular case, the two opinions are: 1) Prabhavishnu's opinion that he can keep going to prostitutes in Thailand for 20 years, get caught three times over 2 decades, and keep making people wash his feet and worship him as equal God. 2) The common sense opinion that those going to prostitutes are not pure devotees, they are not fit to be worshiped equal to God, and no one should be washing their feet. They should come back with humility and serve other devotees with menial service to remove their anartha - not that they should be worshiped by the new innocent devotees.
RK: JND humility and menial service to vaishnava will remove anarthas... that's true.
JND: I mentioned it before, I saw this joker getting worshipped in Mayapur 6 months after he was caught. The GBC are completely corrupt and cover for their own criminals. How about that ridiculous very common ISKCON guru explanation "I am serving all of you as your spiritual master. It is my devotional service to Krishna, to have you drink the water that washes my feet, and to make you people cook huge daily feasts for me, and to make you treat me like a royal king. It's my service to you and Krishna and Prabhupada. I really don't want to live like a king, but I have to because Krishna wants me to do this service."
GA: Do they really say such nonsense blatantly?
JND: Every single one of them says this. I'm not joking at all. I have heard it a hundred times.
TC: Possessing knowledge of bhakti does not qualify him to criticise a devotee
JND: The person isn't a devotee, he is cheater preying on devotee's innocence.
TC: You are not Krishna to judge who is a devotee and who is not a devotee Prabhu.
JND: You don't need to be Krishna to use your intelligence and discrimination to understand the sura and asura.
CV: The problem is -- still the people that follow him
JND: Even Ravana put on kavi cloth and a mala to kidnap sita. Being a devotee is not about the dress they wear. Anyone can imitate it. Divine qualities distinct from demoniac qualities (daivasura sampat vibhaga) distinguish the devotees from the asuras posing as devotees.
TC: Ravana is a demon. To compare a demon, Ravana with a Vaishnava shows that you are a mayayaprathajana
JND: Prabhavishnu is also a demon, just like Ravana.
TC: Intelligence stolen by maya. You are actually in maya for this offensive behavior towards a Vaisnava. Ok prabhu you are talking this much can you explain to me what Krishna is speaking in bhagavad gita 9.30 ???
JND: The guy went to prostitutes for more than 2 decades in Thailand, was caught by devotees three times in that span. Continued to have people worship him equal to God (saksat hari...). He had people wash his feet and drink that water as sacred charanamrita. He misused money meant for Krishna, to pay for prostitutes. Even after being caught three times, he continued to cheat the innocent devotees, and make them to keep worshiping him equal to God.
Even today he spends large amounts of time in Thailand despite the GBC not wanting him to go to that country, and he insists its to "preach", like he insisted for the last 20 years while he was visiting prostitutes there. He is not a devotee, he is a cockroach.
TC: Tasmat chastram pramana te: that is difference between a demon and a divine person.
[PADA: Same problem we are having with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur ilk, their spokesman said to me the followers of Radhanath are "innocent" and should not have to pay for the child abuse. They think that the followers of Radhanath are following a divine program and therefore they are innocent. Of course what then does Radhanath do with his money? He writes crack pot books ... we need more of his books?]
TC: Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita to respect a devotee as a sadhu even if he has committed the most abominable action. why do you disobey this instruction of Krishna. How sure are you about this and can you prove it?
JND: Ok, so looks like you are a retard. Because the verse you half quoted says tasmac chastram pramanam te karyakarya-vyavasthitau. The shastra determines what is proper action and improper forbidden action. Going to a prostitute in Thailand is forbidden action for a sannyasi. And we agree with your verse, you chose to cite, which says those who perform forbidden action against the shastra can be classified as asuras. We are in agreement.
TC: Answer my question. When Krishna orders you to consider a devotee who has committed the most abominable action as a sadhu, why do you disobey a direct order of Krishna? Or it is that you want to become Krishna and write your Gita now?
JND: Sorry, I don't have more time for a retard. Where in verse 9.30 does Krishna say anything about cockroaches acharyas? Bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, do you understand what unalloyed devotion to bhagavan means? You are quoting 9.30 without even knowing what it means. This person is not and has never been engaged in unalloyed pure devotional service to Lord Krishna. He was a cheater cheating the devotees, while engaged in abominable activities and pretending to be a guru.
Jahnava Nitai Das You are not even quoting the verse properly. Lord Krishna says "bhajate mam ananya-bhak", if he is engaged in unalloyed pure devotional service. Sorry, I again go back to my past conclusion, you are retarded because you think someone going to prostitutes in thailand for 20 years is engaged in unalloyed devotional service.
TC: Sannyasa is not the ultimate in bhakti. in fact nothing to do with bhakti.
JV: Are you committing the same crime you're accusing Jahnava Nitai Das of? Why are you insulting and speaking Ill of Nitai? You shouldn't insult devotees...no? You should follow your own advice.
JND: The retard here says we shouldn't judge anyone, but he chooses to judge people who he disagrees with. So its just hypocrisy. Srila Prabhupada on the other hand does not say we shouldn't judge.
"Similarly, here is the characteristic of pure devotee. Characteristics. You test whether he's truthful. "He's not truthful, sir." Then he's not pure devotee. He's doing something... He promised before his spiritual master, before the Deity, before the fire, "No illicit sex," but he's having illicit sex. So how he is advanced? How he's advanced? He's not even truthful, the first qualification. He's unclean. Truthfulness. Śaucam, means very clean." (Lecture on SB 1.16.26-30 -- Hawaii, January 23, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada tells us we should test if they are truthful or not. He doesn't say we should remain retards and not judge people.
Because my philosophy is we can judge people, your philosophy is you shouldn't judge people. I am following my philosophy correctly. You on the other hand are a hypocrite in that you don't follow your own retard philosophy of not judging people. Simple to understand?
Maybe he is initiated by the cockroach. That would explain a lot.
JV: I have no issues with calling a spade a spade. I was only pointing out your hypocrisy on the matter: you consider it illegal to call out the actual evils of your ISKCON guru, but you freely indulge in judging and insulting JN who is an actual Vaishnava who's trying to help fools like yourself not fall for frauds. If you act like a retard, you get called a retard!
PADA: Yes, that is what the GBC says since 1978, yes our gurus acting abominable so we have to forgive them, and that is how all the banning, beating, child molesting, lawsuits, murders and bad publicity took place, people forgave and did not address. Anyway, yes, they are saying Krishna's successor acharyas are generally abominable deviant people, that has been their mantra since 1978, agreed. ys pd
SSM: I can remember the fall down case of this particular sadhu. It's unfortunate the devotees don't understand.
JND: Fall down case... he was going to prostitutes for 25 years. He was just a cheater. He is still going to prostitutes. In the purport to Bhagavad Gita 9.30 Srila Prabhupada makes two important points. One is it refers to accidental fall down (a one time occurrence due to the influence of the flowing modes of material nature, not a long term ongoing deception). Second, the devotee must be "mam bhajate ananya-bhak", engaged in unalloyed exclusive devotion to Lord Krishna. These two points are not met in any of these cases of fake gurus who have been deceiving and cheating the innocent devotees for decades, and engaged in immoral behavior for decades. I am not saying there are no gurus or no devotees. I am saying those who are cheating people in this manner for decades are not being referenced in Bhagavad Gita 9.30.
CV Cockroaches followed by more cockroaches. Bro he is definately retarded.
JV: Why are there lots of retards here? What's the difficulty in understanding that one who pretends to be an acharya / guru when he is instead a chandāla, should be thrown out of his position? Please, people, don't surrender your God given common sense - use it!
SK: Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- March 13, 1975, Tehran:
Prabhupāda: So do that. Don't approach the cheater guru, bluffer guru, and be cheated. Stop this business. This has spoiled the whole spiritual atmosphere of the world. Take guru, the supreme guru, Kṛṣṇa.
If you want to be cheated or if you are a cheater, then you'll get a cheater guru.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
JND: In the purport to Bhagavad Gita 9.30 Srila Prabhupada makes important points. One is it refers to accidental fall down (a one time occurrence due to the influence of the flowing modes of material nature, not a long term on going deception).
RSC: One time you said that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not difficult, but to remain determined, that is difficult. Determination is difficult. So how do we...?
Prabhupāda: That determination comes by tapasya. Therefore we have got rules and regulations ...
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HD: And these are the people teaching us guru-tattva and the "law of disciplic succession". What a joke. Prabhavisnu (who was my so-called guru) secretly visited prostitutes while we all worshipped him, offering him service, money and devotion from our hearts. We cooked for him, cleaned his rooms (including his toilet), his clothes and yes we bathed his feet as is the custom in ISKCON. We had no idea that he had been questioned regarding accusations of his visiting prostitutes. No one ever informed us of this. We were kept in the dark.
SDL Hare Krishna !!!
( article.....JND........)
Look , I am convinced that 90 % of ISKCON are honest , OR want to be honest ~~~~~~90 % love Prabhupada. OR want to love Prabhupada !!! I do not think that management is so dotish (a combination of mad and stupidity ) , .......to want simple devotees to become militant !!! We are supposed to have Kshatriyas, but ....................................... Nevertheless , the High Court Case for
1 ) FRAUD , for hiding Prabhupada's *Will* and other Legal documents, for 8 years, lying and misleading ISKCON, and all its followers worldwide. Thereby, hijacking and seizing his ISKCON !!! ..........PLUS Prabhupada's complaints of torture and poisoning, from his recordings, Conversations and books !!!
2 ) MURDER ...... for killing Sulocana and others ....
Prabhu, For stealing all Prabhupada legal documents. In 1985, 8 years after
Prabhupada's followers were already mislead, and giving it to all followers
Worldwide !!!
3 ) CONSPIRACY TO MURDER THE FOUNDER ACARYA SRILA PRABHUPADA !!
Prabhupada Will be, Must be, and Is going to be , ..........restored as the sole Diksa Guru in His ISKCON Movement !!! JOIN THE PRABHUPADA REVOLUTION !!!
~~~~~~~and be counted ~~~~~~~
Step Forward Silently OR Vocally !!!
All glories to all the Sincere followers of Prabhupada Worldwide !!!!
Sri Caitanya Nityananda The Acaryas Prabhupada Ki Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai !!!!!
PADA: Yep, Prabhavishnu was not helping me much when I said we have to get rid of Srila Jayatirtha Tirthapada Maharaja, illicit sex and LSD-pada, PV wanted a piece of the stolen pie. ys pd
CM: Its one thing to fall down..... but to pretend to be a guru when fallen is abominable. I don't know anything about these people beyond what you are suggesting here. When I fell down I left the San Francisco temple and went back to art school, not only because I wanted to practice art, but because I didn't want to sully Prabhupada's movement with my bullshit. Its very sad for me to have so little devotee association all these years, but I hope someday I will deserve it again.
If a devotee falls down he or she may always come back as long as they are humble. Of course you are pointing out a profound lack of humility and grace in regards to this individual. Very unfortunate to sully the reputation of Prabhupada's movement in this way. All that said I don't think Prabhupada would want us to give up on ISKCON. He created it with great love.... the actions of some cannot really contaminate the essential ISKCON.
JND: You are one of the great warriors of ISKCON. I felt bad when Prithu (another fallen ISKCON guru) suddenly came in and closed down the San Francisco temple after your years of struggle and hard work to keep it open all alone. I think most of us agree, there is nothing wrong with devotees struggling to follow some aspects of spiritual life. What is wrong is when people are fallen for twenty years but still making people wash their feet, drink their foot water, and worship them equal to God.. That is disgusting behavior.
CM: Thanks you for your kind words Prabhu.
RK: Two Men = Two Opinions
Since Hanuman had been a sannyasi and then had gotten married, he lost his GBC position. Hanuman said, "Srila Prabhupada, I don't seem to get along well with my God-brothers."
Prabhupada smiled and said, "That's all right. Actually, I didn't like my spiritual master's Society either." We were surprised.
Then Prabhupada became serious. He counted with his fingers and said,
"I associated with my spiritual master about ten times. But I follow all his instructions. In that way, I am never separate from him, and he is never away from me. Wherever there are two men, there are two opinions. So now you go and preach the cult of Lord Chaitanya." ~ Nrhari dasa from Prabhupada Memories recorded by Siddhanta dasa
JND: So in this particular case, the two opinions are: 1) Prabhavishnu's opinion that he can keep going to prostitutes in Thailand for 20 years, get caught three times over 2 decades, and keep making people wash his feet and worship him as equal God. 2) The common sense opinion that those going to prostitutes are not pure devotees, they are not fit to be worshiped equal to God, and no one should be washing their feet. They should come back with humility and serve other devotees with menial service to remove their anartha - not that they should be worshiped by the new innocent devotees.
RK: JND humility and menial service to vaishnava will remove anarthas... that's true.
JND: I mentioned it before, I saw this joker getting worshipped in Mayapur 6 months after he was caught. The GBC are completely corrupt and cover for their own criminals. How about that ridiculous very common ISKCON guru explanation "I am serving all of you as your spiritual master. It is my devotional service to Krishna, to have you drink the water that washes my feet, and to make you people cook huge daily feasts for me, and to make you treat me like a royal king. It's my service to you and Krishna and Prabhupada. I really don't want to live like a king, but I have to because Krishna wants me to do this service."
GA: Do they really say such nonsense blatantly?
JND: Every single one of them says this. I'm not joking at all. I have heard it a hundred times.
TC: Possessing knowledge of bhakti does not qualify him to criticise a devotee
JND: The person isn't a devotee, he is cheater preying on devotee's innocence.
TC: You are not Krishna to judge who is a devotee and who is not a devotee Prabhu.
JND: You don't need to be Krishna to use your intelligence and discrimination to understand the sura and asura.
CV: The problem is -- still the people that follow him
JND: Even Ravana put on kavi cloth and a mala to kidnap sita. Being a devotee is not about the dress they wear. Anyone can imitate it. Divine qualities distinct from demoniac qualities (daivasura sampat vibhaga) distinguish the devotees from the asuras posing as devotees.
TC: Ravana is a demon. To compare a demon, Ravana with a Vaishnava shows that you are a mayayaprathajana
JND: Prabhavishnu is also a demon, just like Ravana.
TC: Intelligence stolen by maya. You are actually in maya for this offensive behavior towards a Vaisnava. Ok prabhu you are talking this much can you explain to me what Krishna is speaking in bhagavad gita 9.30 ???
JND: The guy went to prostitutes for more than 2 decades in Thailand, was caught by devotees three times in that span. Continued to have people worship him equal to God (saksat hari...). He had people wash his feet and drink that water as sacred charanamrita. He misused money meant for Krishna, to pay for prostitutes. Even after being caught three times, he continued to cheat the innocent devotees, and make them to keep worshiping him equal to God.
Even today he spends large amounts of time in Thailand despite the GBC not wanting him to go to that country, and he insists its to "preach", like he insisted for the last 20 years while he was visiting prostitutes there. He is not a devotee, he is a cockroach.
TC: Tasmat chastram pramana te: that is difference between a demon and a divine person.
[PADA: Same problem we are having with the Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad / HKC Jaipur ilk, their spokesman said to me the followers of Radhanath are "innocent" and should not have to pay for the child abuse. They think that the followers of Radhanath are following a divine program and therefore they are innocent. Of course what then does Radhanath do with his money? He writes crack pot books ... we need more of his books?]
TC: Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita to respect a devotee as a sadhu even if he has committed the most abominable action. why do you disobey this instruction of Krishna. How sure are you about this and can you prove it?
JND: Ok, so looks like you are a retard. Because the verse you half quoted says tasmac chastram pramanam te karyakarya-vyavasthitau. The shastra determines what is proper action and improper forbidden action. Going to a prostitute in Thailand is forbidden action for a sannyasi. And we agree with your verse, you chose to cite, which says those who perform forbidden action against the shastra can be classified as asuras. We are in agreement.
TC: Answer my question. When Krishna orders you to consider a devotee who has committed the most abominable action as a sadhu, why do you disobey a direct order of Krishna? Or it is that you want to become Krishna and write your Gita now?
JND: Sorry, I don't have more time for a retard. Where in verse 9.30 does Krishna say anything about cockroaches acharyas? Bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, do you understand what unalloyed devotion to bhagavan means? You are quoting 9.30 without even knowing what it means. This person is not and has never been engaged in unalloyed pure devotional service to Lord Krishna. He was a cheater cheating the devotees, while engaged in abominable activities and pretending to be a guru.
Jahnava Nitai Das You are not even quoting the verse properly. Lord Krishna says "bhajate mam ananya-bhak", if he is engaged in unalloyed pure devotional service. Sorry, I again go back to my past conclusion, you are retarded because you think someone going to prostitutes in thailand for 20 years is engaged in unalloyed devotional service.
TC: Sannyasa is not the ultimate in bhakti. in fact nothing to do with bhakti.
JV: Are you committing the same crime you're accusing Jahnava Nitai Das of? Why are you insulting and speaking Ill of Nitai? You shouldn't insult devotees...no? You should follow your own advice.
JND: The retard here says we shouldn't judge anyone, but he chooses to judge people who he disagrees with. So its just hypocrisy. Srila Prabhupada on the other hand does not say we shouldn't judge.
"Similarly, here is the characteristic of pure devotee. Characteristics. You test whether he's truthful. "He's not truthful, sir." Then he's not pure devotee. He's doing something... He promised before his spiritual master, before the Deity, before the fire, "No illicit sex," but he's having illicit sex. So how he is advanced? How he's advanced? He's not even truthful, the first qualification. He's unclean. Truthfulness. Śaucam, means very clean." (Lecture on SB 1.16.26-30 -- Hawaii, January 23, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada tells us we should test if they are truthful or not. He doesn't say we should remain retards and not judge people.
Because my philosophy is we can judge people, your philosophy is you shouldn't judge people. I am following my philosophy correctly. You on the other hand are a hypocrite in that you don't follow your own retard philosophy of not judging people. Simple to understand?
Maybe he is initiated by the cockroach. That would explain a lot.
JV: I have no issues with calling a spade a spade. I was only pointing out your hypocrisy on the matter: you consider it illegal to call out the actual evils of your ISKCON guru, but you freely indulge in judging and insulting JN who is an actual Vaishnava who's trying to help fools like yourself not fall for frauds. If you act like a retard, you get called a retard!
PADA: Yes, that is what the GBC says since 1978, yes our gurus acting abominable so we have to forgive them, and that is how all the banning, beating, child molesting, lawsuits, murders and bad publicity took place, people forgave and did not address. Anyway, yes, they are saying Krishna's successor acharyas are generally abominable deviant people, that has been their mantra since 1978, agreed. ys pd
SSM: I can remember the fall down case of this particular sadhu. It's unfortunate the devotees don't understand.
JND: Fall down case... he was going to prostitutes for 25 years. He was just a cheater. He is still going to prostitutes. In the purport to Bhagavad Gita 9.30 Srila Prabhupada makes two important points. One is it refers to accidental fall down (a one time occurrence due to the influence of the flowing modes of material nature, not a long term ongoing deception). Second, the devotee must be "mam bhajate ananya-bhak", engaged in unalloyed exclusive devotion to Lord Krishna. These two points are not met in any of these cases of fake gurus who have been deceiving and cheating the innocent devotees for decades, and engaged in immoral behavior for decades. I am not saying there are no gurus or no devotees. I am saying those who are cheating people in this manner for decades are not being referenced in Bhagavad Gita 9.30.
CV Cockroaches followed by more cockroaches. Bro he is definately retarded.
JV: Why are there lots of retards here? What's the difficulty in understanding that one who pretends to be an acharya / guru when he is instead a chandāla, should be thrown out of his position? Please, people, don't surrender your God given common sense - use it!
SK: Room Conversation with Indian Guests -- March 13, 1975, Tehran:
Prabhupāda: So do that. Don't approach the cheater guru, bluffer guru, and be cheated. Stop this business. This has spoiled the whole spiritual atmosphere of the world. Take guru, the supreme guru, Kṛṣṇa.
If you want to be cheated or if you are a cheater, then you'll get a cheater guru.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
JND: In the purport to Bhagavad Gita 9.30 Srila Prabhupada makes important points. One is it refers to accidental fall down (a one time occurrence due to the influence of the flowing modes of material nature, not a long term on going deception).
RSC: One time you said that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not difficult, but to remain determined, that is difficult. Determination is difficult. So how do we...?
Prabhupāda: That determination comes by tapasya. Therefore we have got rules and regulations ...
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HD: And these are the people teaching us guru-tattva and the "law of disciplic succession". What a joke. Prabhavisnu (who was my so-called guru) secretly visited prostitutes while we all worshipped him, offering him service, money and devotion from our hearts. We cooked for him, cleaned his rooms (including his toilet), his clothes and yes we bathed his feet as is the custom in ISKCON. We had no idea that he had been questioned regarding accusations of his visiting prostitutes. No one ever informed us of this. We were kept in the dark.
Now seeing this picture we can understand that devotees do not understand the position of guru. If a man cheats, lies and secretly visits prostitutes, while posing as a guru, Swami and member of the GBC, why would anyone want to wash his feet??? What is his qualification? Would you wash the feet of some dirty old man who takes pleasure having sex with prostitutes? Has ISKCON strayed so far from the philosophy (truth) that devotees cannot accept such obvious deviations? Let's all just be honest, Prabhavisnu has failed as a disciple of Srila Prabhupada, what to speak of being a spiritual master, or even a sadhu, or even a senior member of ISKCON. So what spiritual benefit is he gaining allowing people to bathe his feet? And what benefit are these devotees making who are bathing his feet? So if this act is not taking place on the spiritual platform, then what is really happening? Some men washing the feet of a dirty old man! Enough to make any sane person feel sick.
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