Mahavishnu Swami Melt Down Continues / Who is Following?

Trying out my next body already

PADA: Also looking at a long and complex discussion from Eastern Europe, on how people who are "following Krishna consciousness" (like Paramadvaiti swami / Mahavishnu swami / Gunagrahi swami / Satsvarupa swami etc.) cannot make much progress. Or worse, they may tend to even degrade to worse than karmis, so its not a religion that works. They think other yoga systems are maybe better. In other words, they are asking if Krishna consciousness has any value at all, since the leaders are failing and it seems a waste of time to follow something for 40 years if its not working. Or worse, one might end up being more degraded than the regular citizen after 40 years.  

Of course this begs the question, "who is following the religion"? They are wondering: since Gunagrahi is chanting, he is a sannyasa, he is recognized as an advanced devotee, he is indeed a guru, then how come he is watching porno for 30 years? Good question! 

So this is a big problem issue in itself. If the people who are "following" end up in a fall down tail spin, then why should any regular citizen bother even starting the process if the end result after 30 years is failure anyway? This is making people reject the religion wholesale. Srila Prabhupada says if a person imitates guru, he will eventually become degraded. They are confusing this bogus guru process with the actual process of a neophyte following the bona fide steps. 

The only good news is, we are gradually seeing actually functioning programs of bona fide neophytes, and they are making progress individually and collectively with their programs. And more and more individuals are taking up interest in the Prabhupadanuga process. So this is a sort of like a little flower growing in the bombed out war zone. As one devotee said, sometimes we have to hit rock bottom before we can start moving upwards. True dat!

Thus, as more people are understanding gradually, it does not matter if one externally "follows" or not, because he WILL degrade if he tries to imitate the acharya, or he may also have problems if he simply promotes imitation of the acharya. Notice he WILL for sure degrade, not maybe. This was a side discussion on the Paramadvaiti issue with someone else, how could he degrade so badly? And that is the answer, anyone who imitates guru will eventually degrade. How bad? Maybe very.

This should not be confused with the process of bona fide neophytes following the bona fide process. In sum, if they are not following, and actually if they are imitating, then they are degrading more and more and more, ad infinitum. There is no way up as long as they continue to deviate.

If people are claiming to follow, but they are not following the basic tenets, in fact they are on track to degrade, then that is false advertising of the religion. We have the same problem with many so-called outside "fringies." A lot of them have been taking intoxicants, maybe even engaging in wife swapping etc. making them unable to be of a lot of use in either opposing the false gurus, and / or correcting things. They are shooting their arguments in the foot because even GBC people argue with us, yes but a lot of your "fringies" and "ritviks" pals are taking intoxicants and so on. 

OK, what can we say? All right, to their credit various fringies are at least not promoting false gurus and they know Srila Prabhupada is the guru. But they need to step up to a higher standard if they want their preaching to be more effective. Its a problem even in the so-called reform program. Another case is Krishna Kanta who for example was criticized for being in India with his Hawaii shorts and t-shirt and no bead bag. OK that is not a good look for India and he should know that.   

After Bhakta das tells me he "fu***d" his brains out with Thai bars girls; He is busted for selling millions of dollars of designer drugs; He is arrested for sex crimes in Puri; He supports the GBC / Gunagrahi porno swami program; He says we need to work with Gaura Govinda and others; He supports the Gaudiya Matha (ok evidently one of their gurus has naked little girls on his lap) then the Dayalu Nitai HKC Jaipur / Sanat / Mukunda / Prahlad clan say -- PADA is not following, and we need to be following the shiksha instructions of their new hero authority -- Bhakta das -- instead. Bhakta das does not even make a bona fide fringie, he supports the evil doer process. And he needs to be forwarded as our new authority for the ritviks? Or worse, Hari Sauri, Bhavananda's bucket boy?

Its really amazing to us what some devotees consider as "following"? Anyway a lot of even regular people on the street know who is following and who is not here, this is not rocket science! Even so-called KARMIS often tell me they can spot the clear fakes here!

Heh heh heh!

So there is the WRONG idea many people have of "following." And now the GBC has Bhakti Vidya Purna back in Australia lecturing. Wait, wasn't he supposed to be no longer a lecture authority because of his child beating issue? 

So anyway, as long as people MISTAKE what is following, and what is not, this will go on for some time. The good news is, more people are seeing that these GBC guys are simply -- going more and more bonkers. So its SELF EVIDENT they are not following the proper process, and our Prabhupadanuga people and / or programs are starting to take off with more success, so its SELF EVIDENT these Prabhupada people are doing a better job of following. You will know them by their fruits! And now various Prabhupadanuga programs are getting ready for some nice festivals and so on, and they sent me some nice flyers and etc., so it is encouraging to see the RIGHT path being followed by some folks at least. 

Anyway, yes, you are following the path that leads to a dinosaur body Maha Vishnu swami, we got that already! Hah hah!

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