"ISKCON is starting to become like a ritvik Catholic Church"
BV Padmanabha Maharaja
BV Padmanabha Maharaja originally joined ISKCON in the 1970s. Later he joined Gaudia Math and participated in International Pure Bhakti Yoga Society. As a sannyasa he spends time in Vrindavan, India and travels the world.
[PADA: Except, the Catholic Church has a "voted in" Pope system, and the GBC has adopted a similar system -- their "2/3 show of hands" -- voted in gurus. And Sridhara Maharaja is one of the persons who told the GBC to "vote in more acharyas" (like the Papal system). And Narayana Maharaja says that Sridhara Maharaja is an acharya, so the acharyas started this system -- of voting in conditioned souls as their co-acharyas? BV Padmanabha is glorifying the people who initially made the Papal / guru vote system in ISKCON, while claiming it is a deviation?
Why does Narayana Maharaja support Sridhara Maharaja and his program -- that acharyas approve of conditioned souls, and their illicit sex, drugs and other deviations process -- to be voted in as Krishna's successors and acharyas? Does NM even know who is Krishna, for starters? Krishna is all pure, thus HIS successor has to be all pure. Why doesn't the NM clan even know this basic ABC point of siddhanta? In 1936 Sridhara Maharaja made a bi-sexual deviant as the acharya of the Gaudiya Matha, and that makes Sridhara Maharaja a bona fide acharya himself?
And when these alleged acharyas get caught taking drugs and having illicit sex, then Sridhara Maharaja says we should STILL keep them in the acharya's seat and "none should protest." Why does NM think we should worship illicit sex and drugs as our acharyas, and keep these deviants in the Vyasa seat even when they are caught deviating, and the founder father of this bogus idea -- Sridhara Maharaja -- is an acharya? The founder father of the worship of illicit sex as acharya, is also an acharya himself? Where does Krishna say we need to worship Sridhara and Narayana maharaja's illicit sex guru process as HIS successors and acharyas?
And their system of guru voting is much more like the Papal voting system, its not like the priest system / church council process of the Lutheran Church. And this bogus guru voting system was given to the GBC by these "outside advisors." And after these deviant people gave ISKCON this bogus guru appointment and guru voting system, Narayana Maharaja then says, Sridhara Maharaja is our acharya. The founder father of the worship of illicit sex acharyas is -- our acharya? No, Srila Prabhupada says Sridhara Maharaja is the leader of the SEVERE OFFENDERS Bagh Bazaar party.
Worse, NM also says -- Tamal Krishna swami is Krishna's diksha guru successor (acharya). Tamal is a diksha guru who can absorb sins like Jesus? Why does NM confuse Tamal with someone like Jesus, when none of the rest of us do? Tamal used to lecture that his two favorite people are NM and Bhavananda, wow, peas in a PADA!
And Narayana Maharaja was very PROMINENT in the post-1978 ISKCON GBC's advisory group -- "advising" the GBC's guru voting block sabha, and indeed NM was helping Satsvarupa Das Goswami write the bogus "Guru Reform Notebook" -- where their foolish guru voting concoction was first being detailed and organized. In short, Narayana Maharaja was aiding and abetting the entire bogus GBC and their bogus guru voting process, and he was hanging out with all of the leaders of that devious ecclesiastical guru voting program like Tamal, Satsvarupa Das Goswami, Giriraja, Indradyumna, Sivarama and all their associated pals. And worse, NM thought these people are all equal to Jesus and they are diksha gurus who can absorb sins like Jesus. Didn't Rupa Goswami say ecclesiastical guru voting programs are -- bogus?
If the Catholic Church's Papal voting system is bogus, why has Narayana Maharaja been the biggest cheer leader of helping those who are placing this identical Papal / guru voting system into ISKCON, and he has been the biggest adviser to the people making this bogus system? And worse, NM said we critics are bogus for attacking his guru voting program and its main henchmen architects, ok like Sridhara Maharaja and Tamal?
Even worse, Sridhara Maharaja founded the bi-sexual acharya's deviation of 1936, where dissenters were beaten and killed. And this is what NM thinks acharyas create? Why does NM say that the founder father of the illicit sex -- and then beating and killing of vaishnavas project -- is an acharya? Devotees are being banned, beaten, having their faces pushed into dogs stools, and some are being killed, and Narayana Maharaja says the founder father of this deviation is -- an acharya?]
"Just consider Prabhupada your guru? No need to have another guru. What is this called? Ritvik"
[PADA: Why is accepting a pure devotee as our guru called ritvik? Where does Srila Prabhupada say that anyone who worships a pure devotee is to be called a ritvik? He never said, after I depart, no one can worship me because that will be the ritvik deviation? The followers of Madhvacara are bogus for worshiping him as the acharya?]
Leaders in ISKCON have a term they like to use, Oh, he is a GBC or a Guru in good standing and we've all heard this before: In good standing. But many of those who were in good standing are no longer standing. One after the other they fell down, then more fell, and then more fell, ... and one after another fell. How many years of history do we have to have of gurus falling down!?
[PADA: OK so BV Padmanabha wants us to associate with his "outside gurus" process, but these same outside gurus -- ok like BR Sridhara Maharaja, BV Narayana Maharaja, BP Puri Maharaja, Fakir Mohan, Radha Kunda babajis and others, they all encouraged and supported the GBC and their constantly falling down / ecclesiastical / guru voting -- guru's program -- and worse, many of them came from the Gaudiya Matha where they had a "guru falling down" fiasco going on over there as well.
And in fact often these outside folks were the people who gave the GBC's gurus "shiksha advice," which helped the GBC gurus write a number of their bogus post-1978 position papers, and these outside people acted not only as the GBC's ghost writers but as the GBC's "rasika authorities" and so on -- which supported, empowered and enabled the falling down / voted in / guru process of the GBC.
BV Narayana Maharaja was perhaps the worst offender in this group because he was constantly associated with Tamal Krishna and his band of falling down gurus, and he eventually emerged as the GBC guru's biggest cheer leader.
BV Puri maharaja, to his credit, said that BV Narayana Maharaja's follower Satsvarupa's writing about his passing stools enema, and the colors of the saris of the gopis, all in the same few pages of a book, proves that BV Narayana Maharaja is "worse than any sahajiyas" because at least the sahajiyas do not create a program of writing about their passing stools and the gopis all in the same few pages of a book. BV Padmanabha does not even know that we cannot support a program of writing about our passing stools -- and the gopis -- in the same few pages of a book?]
Because they are not taking sadhu sanga. All of their anarthas come out, and they become overwhelmed and commited so many offenses. I'm not saying this of all of them. I am not saying that. There are some who are sincere. No doubt. But I have seen that those who are in that category, they're very careful about committing offenses against Srila Narayan Maharaj.
[PADA: The whole reason Narayan Maharaja was introduced into ISKCON is because the GBC declared he is their shiksha guru / rasika guru authority. No one heard about him before the GBC approached him and placed him in the post of de facto rasika acharya of ISKCON and the GBC.
The real reason so many GBC gurus fell down is that they are not qualified to take sins as diksha gurus, and they are overwhelmed by that process. It never seems to have occurred to NM that neophytes cannot act like Jesus and take sins?
Rather NM encouraged these neophytes to take disciples and make pretend they are another Jesus. NM was tossing them into the shark infested Jesus wanna be waters. Srila Prabhupada says, if we neophytes try to act as diksha gurus we will be absorbing sins, and this will make us get sick, fall down or both, ok and maybe die from such illness, why does NM want to see many vaishnavas fall down, get sick, and die from said sickness, due to taking sins without authority?]
They have very much respect for him. So, this is the standard: If someone is advancing in bhakti, they will want to have sadhu sanga. But in ISKCON they have made this rule that you cannot have any sadhu sanga outside of the walls of this institution. Not allowed!
[PADA: Totally false. The GBC gurus are constantly associated with outside people, including Sridhara and Narayana Maharajas, BP Puri, BV Puri, Fakir Mohan, Babajis, Tantric ghost busters, psychics, astrologers, therapists (who they might end up having sex with) ... you name it. There has been a huge pile of these advisers and associates over the years. And these advisers helped shape the current policy and current mess.]
So what kind of rule is this? Do we find that anywhere in the sastras? This is the point. ISKCON is starting to become like the Catholic Church. It's true. It's true. And it has only been three decades after Prabhupad's disappearance.
You've heard of the Ritvik philosophy? Correct? You all have heard of this? Right? Now, ISKCON does not accept the Ritvik philosophy. You know this? Right? They have written papers: No, no. Ritvik philosophy is wrong. But do you know that they are practicing Ritvik in ISKCON? Do you know that?
I'll tell you how they are practicing Ritvik: There was a disciple and his guru fell down. So then they would tell him, Ok, your guru fell down. No problem. We have more gurus. You can get another guru. So then he would follow the instructions of his leaders and take a second guru in ISKCON. But he wouldn't be so fortunate because the second guru also fell down. And I m not just saying this. There are many circumstances like this in ISKCON. I think the record so far is four gurus. Yeah, I've heard. But anyway, he would take a second guru again. But then that second guru would fall down.
[PADA: But that is the system that Narayana Maharaja helped Tamal and Satsvarupa set up? They started this guru voting system in 1986 and NM was their adviser and friend on helping them implement this system, and NM is mentioned many times by all of these people, like Tamal, Satsvarupa, Sivarama, Indradyumna, Giriraja etc. as being their confidential adviser, if not rasika adviser. And NM is mentioned in the Guru Reform Notebook itself as one of the prime consultants for that book. So the first wave of gurus fell, then a second wave was voted in, third wave and etc. and this whole process was given to the GBC by these outside advisers.]
So now by this time the ISKCON leaders are a little reluctant to tell him to take a third guru. They want to encourage him somehow. But they are not very confident now to tell him, Oh, you should take another guru. So many years ago they have already started to tell that disciple, Don't worry, you don't need another initiation. It doesn't matter your guru fell down. It doesn't matter because you're initiated in ISKCON. You're connected with Prabhupada.
[PADA: Hee hee, well yes, they are being forced to adopt the right idea because the bogus idea they got from Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja, vote in more dubious gurus when the first wave of dubious gurus crashes, does not work.]
Just consider Prabhupada your guru. No need to have another guru. What is this called? Ritvik. This is called Ritvik. I will go directly to Prabhupada and I will be his disciple. No need for any other intermediary.
[PADA: As long as your intermediaries keep falling down, why would anyone want to worship such a fallible process? As soon as Gaura Govinda Maharaja departed, many of his people ran off to Narayana Maharaja and Fakir Mohan, ok and now those "living gurus" are dead as well. So their people will now be running around like lost ghosts seeking yet another alleged live guru. Our Prabhupadanugas process does not have this problem, we all worship Srila Prabhupada as the acharya and this is gradually creating a stabilized society.
Aren't these followers going to run off to yet another living person, who will die soon? You cannot build an institution based on changing the worshiped leader every decade, especially if these leaders are falling down or they are fools like NM who support falling down guru projects, because the line of consistent authority breaks down constantly? So the society is always in a state of continual chaos of change of worship process, which is not going to attract many folks to it.]
And now-a-days its pretty much the general policy that if any disciple's guru falls, they don't tell him any more to accept a second guru. Now they just tell him, you are re-connected with Prabhupada. So if this continues for a hundred years more then it becomes very much like the conception of Christianity where Prabhupada is like Jesus Christ and everyone just has to accept him.
[PADA: Right, we would not want to have a successful mission where billions of followers could get organized and build a huge program like the Christians have done! We would also not want to have organized programs like farms, cow care, child care, elder care, care for the poor, feeding the needy congregation members (like the Mormons are doing), and have world class temples and churches full of people! We want an empty shell of a few people constantly running off to find the next live person, next live person, building temporary personality cults of independent maverick acharyas who are fighting among themselves even, and then everything disintegrates under our feet!
Never mind all the scandals, bad publicity, lawsuits and other problems associated with this alleged living guru program, which causes even more disintegration. Not sure what is the harm of having everyone worship the pure devotee, when we see first hand how this creates a religion where billions want to participate, and huge programs and projects are thus possible.]
But Srila Prabhupada never preached this himself. Ever. None of the other gurus in our sampradaya ever preached this philosophy. In fact all of them demonstrated by their own example, including Chaitanya Mahaprabhu himself, including Sri Krishna himself, including Rama Chandra himself; they all had gurus, living gurus. So this is the main problem. The main problem ISKCON has created is to ban pure Vaishnavas, to ban devotees within ISKCON from having association with pure Vaishnavas who are outside of the institution. This is the main problem.
[PADA: OK wait a minute, we need to associate with pure devotees, the same people who helped the GBC introduce their bogus guru voting concoction; The same people, like Sridhara Maharaja, who say acharyas go mad after money, women and followers?
Even when Narayana Maharaja was physically here, a bunch of his followers were our neighbors, and there was a powerful smell of pot smoke coming from their house constantly. You could get loaded just walking past the place. Later, the daughter of a GBC guru became the main leader of the NM program here in San Francisco area. She went to a friend's house, where she lighted up a giant blunt and she then passed out for two hours. Is this the living guidance we want to give people? Where is the living guidance?
And now there is a big cat fight going on among the biggest NM leaders and gurus over the fact that one of their gurus is alleged to be having illicit sex. And one NM guru says he cannot go to Mayapura to complain about this, or he will be beaten to a pulp by the fanatical followers of this alleged guru.
And that does not include the giant cat fight they are having over the two camps that disagree over the rasa of Srila Prabhupada, where there has been reported shunning, banning, death threats etc going on. You cannot artificially rubber stamps acharyas. Sorry!
Srila Prabhupada said he should continue to be the acharya and this system would be managed by Governing Body Managers, not gurus. NM does not agree. And the list of other things where NM does not agree with vs Srila Prabhupada's statements is long and shocking.
As usual, these people never mention the name of the living sadhu we have to now take shelter of. Same problem with Kailash Chandra, Rocana, Torben Neilsen, Ajit Krishna, et al. they have no idea who we should worship now instead of Srila Prabhupada?
NM has also said that Srila Prabhupada is wrong, we do not originate with Krishna in His leela or sport, and he got Kundali, Uttama Sloka and others to join his attack on the acharya. Whereas Srila Prabhupada says that his God brothers did not agree with this because they are TINGED WITH MAYAVADA. Why are we associating with these mayavadas? Anyway, this is good news, ISKCON is going ritvik, we are winning either direct, de facto, front door, side door, back door, through the hole in the roof, etc. Hee hee! ys pd