Thursday, May 8, 2014

Falling Into A GBC Trap / Kuru Dynasty Destruction

http://www.iskcontruth.com/2014/05/prabhupadanugas-against-madhu-pandit.html

[PADA: "Dayalu has fallen into a GBC trap." Pretty much what we have concluded already. People like Dayalu Nitai and Prahald are citing the Radhanath / Dayarama court case as their heros and authority. That means, they are aligned with the GBC's arguments, and against the IB case to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, which means they have fallen over to the GBC side of the arguments against the Prabhupadanugas. Ok they have fallen into the GBC's trap, plain and simple. 

None of the actual Prabhupadanugas would ever cite the Radhanath people and their court case as their authority to combat other Prabhupadnaugas, its that simple. Its like quoting Satan to defeat Jesus, none of the followers of Jesus are EVER going to accept that. Anyway, a big problem is -- that if the so-called Prabhupadanugas are fighting with one another, then their preaching will be hampered, just like infighting in the Gaudiya Matha destroyed their preaching.

A devotee recently tried to get a preaching post at an large institution -- as a Hare Krishna priest -- and the institution rejected him, saying the Hare Krishnas are a bogus cult. That is the perception most of the common people have, because the movement has actually deteriorated into bogus guru's cult, and the infighting is now world wide famous. Its been no small amount of dangerous for people like us who have tried to reform the problems, and this is well known  even to millions of people in the general public.  

So anyway, this devotee still wanted to preach, so he had to show that he was not part of the GBC's ISKCON, but he was part of Bangalore mission, and he produced letters from important people supporting IB. Only then was he able to get the post of being a recognized priest -- so he could preach to the fallen souls. That means, without being part of IB, this person would not have been able to preach at all. 

So we should ALL try to do that, create a good image, whereas infighting creates the worst image of all. Infighting is also what wiped out the Gaudiya Matha, Srila Prabhupada says "Gauidya Matha, all finished."  
So we should be all the more careful knowing that people have been defeated by infighting within their own camp since time immemorial. 

Its very dangerous to creating fighting within our own family, and this is also discouraging the mass of people from joining the family. The good news is that in places like Sunnyvale, Bangalore and other similar places, no one cares about these so-called critics because they are only interested in making nice disciples of Srila Prabhupada. PADA has a number of friends from the IB group and they are all very sincere, dedicated and sincere. We are actually trying to come up to the standard of some of these people ourselves. 

We think attacking the program of these sincere souls is a great mistake, plain and simple. Anyway, when devotees fight other devotees, this may cause the destruction of all of them, as we see in the story below. Thus we should try to unite and not fight among ourselves. 

At the same time, we are not discouraged at all. There is a big meltdown going on among all the Hare Krishnas all over the world, the big boil is bursting all over the place. The poison from the poison issue is getting pulled out as well, which is making some folks simply go totally crazy as well. Its in some respects its like the ancient "family destruction" battle we see being described below. People are sort of going a little crazy and attacking each other, and anything in sight, as happened in the story below. However, sometimes a big mix-up is required to move things ahead later on, that's just the way the time factor sometimes accelerates things. 

In any case, Srila Prabhupada said -- your love for me will be shown by how you cooperate among yourselves, so dis-uniting is not what he wanted and ordered. Without further ado, here is the story of what happens when there is dis-unity, its not always a pretty outcome. These examples are given to us to learn the destructive nature of family infighting, and we will either learn from these examples, or have to learn the hard way by bad experiences. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! ys pd

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STORY FROM THE MAHABHARATA

Yudhiṣṭhira embraced his distraught brother. He sat him on a throne and had servants fan him. After Arjuna had sipped a little water, he told his brothers what had transpired in Dwaraka. “O King, since you have asked me about our friends and relatives in that holy city, I will inform you that all of them were afflicted by the Brahmins’ curse. As a result, they became intoxicated with wine and fought among themselves with sticks, not even recognizing one another. Now they are all dead.”

Arjuna related the details of the terrible event. He explained how years ago a number of boys in Dwaraka had played a joke on some powerful rishis, headed by Narada, when the sages were visiting the city. The boys had dressed up Krishna’s son Samba as a woman and placed an iron ball under his clothes, making him appear pregnant. They had then asked the sages, “Will this lady give birth to a girl or a boy?” The rishis, angered by the boys’ insolence, answered, “This one will give birth to an iron ball which will destroy your dynasty. Only Krishna and Balarama will survive.”

When the Yadu king, Ugrasena, heard about the curse, he had the iron ball ground into a powder and thrown into the ocean. Later, the Yadus observed fearful omens in Dwaraka. They saw the embodied form of Time, black and terrible, moving about the city. The powerful Yadu and Vrishni bowmen shot hundreds of thousands of arrows at him, but none could strike him.

Day by day, stronger and stronger winds blew, and the streets swarmed with rats and mice. Earthen pots cracked with no visible cause, wells spewed out their water, and the bodies of men trembled. All sorts of inauspicious creatures--crows, owls and jackals--filled the air with their cries. Asses were born of cows and mules from elephants. Clean, well-cooked food, when served, was covered with worms. 

The heavy tread of running men was constantly heard, but no one could be observed running. The citizens committed sinful acts without shame. They disregarded the Brahmins, forgot to worship the temple deities, and insulted their elders and preceptors. Only Krishna and Balarama did not behave in these ways. When They observed the fearful portents and heard how the citizens were having frightening dreams, They called an assembly.

With everyone present, Krishna said, “O leaders of the Yadu dynasty, please note these terrible omens that have appeared in Dwaraka, just like flags of Death. We should not remain here any longer. The women, children, and old men should leave the city and go to Sankhoddara. We ourselves will go to the holy Prabhasa, where the river Sarasvati flows toward the west. There we should bathe for purification, fast and fix our minds in meditation. Let us then worship the gods and present them with rich offerings. Then we should worship the Brahmins and offer them charity. In this way, we may be able to counteract what these signs portend.”

The assembly signaled their agreement and arrangements were made. The Yadava warriors mounted their chariots and set out for Prabhasa, on the seacoast. The women traveled in their midst. When the procession reached Sankhoddara, halfway between Dwārakā and Prabhāsa, the women remained while the men continued.

With a loud blast of conchshells and the blare of thousands of trumpets the Yadavas arrived at Prabhasa. They took up their residence in palaces and mansions and performed sacrifices to worship the gods. At the end of the second day, influenced by destiny, they drank large quantities of maireya wine, which had been prepared for the sacrifices. Intoxicated, they began to joke.

Satyaki then insulted Krtavarma, whom he had never forgiven for helping Asvatthama kill the sleeping Pandava troops. In a mocking voice he said, “What ksatriya possessed of prowess would kill men embraced by sleep? Were they not already dead? O son of Hridika, your action cannot be tolerated.”

Krtavarma’s anger blazed. Pointing at Satyaki with his left hand as a way to disregard him, he thundered, “Professing yourself a hero, how could you cruelly kill the un-armed Bhurisrava even as he sat in meditation with his weapons cast aside?”

Krishna threw an angry glance at Krtavarma. Sātyaki leapt to his feet. Pulling out his sword he bellowed, “I swear by truth that I will send Krtavarmā along the path taken by Drstadyumna and Sikhandi. His life and fame have come to an end.”

Satyaki ran at Kṛtavarma, whose reflexes had been dulled by the wine, and with a sweep of his sword beheaded him. Krtavarma’s friends then attacked Sātyaki and assailed him with iron cooking pots. Pradyumna came to his aid, and the two men stood back to back as a large number of warriors closed on them. Although they put up a brave fight, they were soon overwhelmed and slain.

When He saw His son Pradyumna killed, Kṛṣṇa became angry. He took up a handful of reeds that were growing nearby. The reeds had grown from the iron powder that had been cast into the ocean on Ugrasena’s order. They were like iron rods and Krishna wielded them like deadly weapons. He quickly slew all the men who had killed His son.

Other Yadavas and Vrishnis took up their weapons and entered the fray. Soon a violent battle was raging. When their weapons had been smashed, they too took up the reeds. Bewildered by wine and influenced by Gandharī’s and the rishis’ curses, they killed one another without compunction. Father killed son, son slew father, and brother killed brother. Like insects flying into a fire, they destroyed one another. In less than an hour, millions of men were dead. Only Krishna and Balarama survived, along with Daruka, who carried the news back to Dwaraka.

Arjuna paused in his narration. His mind was confounded as he recounted the story. He knew that it had been Krishna’s desire. The Lord had wanted His own family and followers to leave the world. With the onset of the Kali age, they might create a greater disturbance than the atheistic demons. After all, they were far more powerful than the demons. No one could have checked them. Only if they slew one another could they be killed.

Taking a deep breath, Arjuna continued. He described how Krishna Himself had departed. When all the Yadavas and other warriors died, Krishna had watched Balarama sit down in meditation on the seashore. As Balarama became absorbed in trance, the many-hooded divine serpent Ananta-sesha had come out of His mouth. Worshipped by Varuna and other gods, the serpent went toward the ocean and vanished.

Seeing Balarama depart, Krishna entered a nearby forest. He sat beneath a pippala tree in meditation. As He did so, the principal gods all approached Him invisibly. They all desired to see His last pastime on earth. Not far from where Krishna sat there was a hunter. The man had caught a large fish and found in its belly a lump of iron, the last remnant of the iron ball thrown into the sea. With that lump he had fashioned an arrowhead. While hunting with the arrow, he came across Krishna. By Krishna’s own illusory energy, he mistook Krishna’s foot to be an animal, seeing it from a distance through the bushes. He released the arrow and struck Krishna’s foot, whereupon the Lord departed from the world, worshipped by the gods with Brahma at their head.

13 comments:

  1. An analysis of your lies: lie 1

    [PADA: We have not lied, (A) The HKC cited the Dayaram / Radhanath vs Bangalore case as their authority. No one from the HKC has ever denied that? If any authority of the HKC is now denying that they cited the Radhanath case, who is that, and where is that clarification letter?

    (B) After we cited the HKC letter in support of Radhanath's program's bogus charges against the Prabhupadanugas, instead of retracting support for the Radhanath courts, then the HKC people began to dig their hole deeper, and argue that PADA has to accept anything from a court because "its the law." OK that means PADA has to now accept abortion because "its the law." You forgot something: no devotee of Krishna are going to accept that abortion is authorized because a court says so.

    (C) This also means, the HKC is essentially saying worship of Srila Prabhupada is for frauds, and the real worship is being done by the Dayarama program. That is what the GBC has said all along.

    (D) The HKC is not even attempting to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya in the supreme court, nor are they ever going to do that. ever. All the HKC are doing now is saying, lets chop off the legs of the program that wants to legally establish Srila Prabhupada. And that is what your wonderful program has been doing for 40 years now, you folks are attacking us, shutting us up, and harassing anyone who wants to establish Srila Prabhupada, and that is why Radhanath is still the guru of ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada is not, because of people like you, i.e. anyone who is attempting to make Srila Prabhupada the acharya is immediately attacked by Dayarama and is joined by you HKC folks, who have joined the attackers and you are even presenting their concocted evidence as your evidence, you are on the same page as the Radhanath courts. In sum, your wonderful policy of suppressing people who want to establish Srila Prabhupada has kept Radhanath as the acharya and not Srila Prabhupada for 40 years. That is the result of the GBC and HKC policy of harassing and suppressing the Prabhupadanugas.

    Lets not also forget who started using the title Prabhupadugas first,it was us around 1984. We used that title on our publications "by the Prabhupadanugas." Now some of you HKC are saying, the originators of the title in print are not Prabhupadanugas? What? We are the original Prabhupadanugas, no one else was using that title in 1984, nor was anyone else using it until they handily borrowed that title from us later in the 1990s.

    Why are some of your people saying the originators of the Prabhupadanuga title, are not the Prabhupadanugas? Oooops, that is what the GBC says? Then the GBC borrowed our title "Prabhupadanugas" for some of their publications, and claimed they are the Prabhupadanugas - and we are not. Why are you always copying these GBC people at every stage?

    In any case, you should re-read what we said above. Creating a constant attack mode on the Prabhupadanugas is a fratricidal war, which no one wins except the enemies of the family. In any case, we are for establishing Srila Prabhupada as the acharya, and the only person doing that in court is MPD, so if you want to harass him, its looks like you are loyal to the people who do not want to establish Srila Prabhupada, its really that simple. And starting out your writing by calling us liars is not reciprocating our peace proposal above.
    ys pd

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  2. Yes, other devotees from Jaipur have confirmed that the HKC has been using the Akshaya Patra title for collecting money, and we have proven that by showing their flyer where they are using AP and Madhu Pandit's name and photo for collecting money, and this is for starters -- illegal. MPD said they cannot use the title of his charity and his photo, its illegal, and so on, and they got upset. Its that simple. Then the HKC started to cite the Radhanath / Dayaram case as their evidence against MPD, again, its that simple. ys pd

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  3. WYATT: "Iskcon Bangalore is more and more twisting the issue by publishing these article of PADA, who was a small hero at a time but not now. Now PADA / Puranjana is no more in good state of mind. We can see all this very clearly , he is master in misinterpreting the things." So, you see, Puranjana dasa, there are other sincere devotees out there who are also saying the same as I have. We can see it very clearly what you have become. The only person who don't see it is yourself. This what happens when you indulge in unlimited criticisms. You claim to be a disciple of Srila Prabhupada but you don't listen to him and all the previous acrayas. Looks like you have killed your guru and have become artificially a guru and cyber henchman for Madhu Pandit dasa and Yasoananda dasa. Hare Krsna

    [PADA: Fine Wyatt, except the main henchman / writer for this group is Prahlad das, and he says he wants to get the GBC goondas to have me killed. Not sure why you guys keep saying you want dead Vaishnavas, and that is the "sincere path." "I sincerely want to see dead Vaishnavas."

    Wyatt, are you smoking crack?

    The people who want to see dead Vaishanvas have a long ways to go, and many births to go, to be as advanced as my neighbor's dog. That dog is happy to see a Vaishnava, he has no interest in killing us?

    Wyatt, you are mistaking the people who want to kill the Vaishnavas as sincere, that is why Kirtanananda got so powerful because you ignorant fools, you all thought he was a saint, but he was a Vaishnava killer, and now Prahlad is taking up the Kirtanananda cause, lets kill Puranjan, and you are all going back to that era, of Radhanath and 1986. Those days are over for us, but you are trying to revive that era by citing the Prahlad group.

    The Prahlad group is saying lets kill him, he is a snake, that is what the Kirtanananda folks said in 1986. And I have to tell you folks, killing Vaishnavas is not sincere? Of couse, my neighbor's dogs knows that, but Wyatt group does not? Wyatt, my neighbor's dog knows that the Prahlad group is less than animals, because they say they want to brand Vaishnavas as snakes, and they say they want to help the GBC goondas kill us, they are simply stuck under Kirtanananda's feet, and yet you are quoting them as your authority? Wake up Wyatt, the people who want dead Vaishnavas, are not as advanced as dogs. Why are you quoting them as your authority? That makes you less than my neighbor's dog. There is no space in Vaikuntha for those of you who want to have Vaishnavas assassinated, you are not going there, you are not even going to take birth as my neighbor's dog right away, you'll have to advance to that point over time. ys pd

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  4. No one is saying to kill anyone. it is just your unstable mental state.

    [PADA: Prahlad wrote to tell us he is going to help the GBC goondas come and kill me. That is what he said. And then he wrote me, tick tock, tick tock, we are going to get you. He has been watching too many Alfred Hitchcock movies. Anyway, bottom line is he is not as advanced as a dog, dogs to not want to kill vaishnavas, he does. He is Kirtanananda re-incarnated.]

    You were never on a hit list, that is just more of your lies.

    [PADA: Except that the book Monkey On A Stick was written describing how the Kirtanananda / Prahlad team kills devotees? And I was interviewed by the FBI at the time, etc. And I was interveiwed for that book etc. The FBI said I was next on the list. You are quoting Kirtanananda, he said there never was a hit list. Why are you always quoting Kirtanananda?]

    You have no arguments, nothing to say, so you just repeat the same old lies.

    [PADA: Prahlad says he wants to have Vaishnavas assassinated, that is not a lie, that is what he told me personally? And he says we are snakes and so on all the time, that is how he and his guru Kirtanananda get Vaishnavas killed, they call us snakes, and then we end up dead. Prahlad is Kirtanananda's henchman and HKC has made him their spokesman. My neighbor's dog does not want to kill the Vaishnavas, and your party does?]

    HKC still want so know why MPD want to stop GDP and rtvik initiations in Jaipur.

    [PADA: And you are using the name of Gauridasa without his approval, because he says he like IB, you are liars and cheaters and mis-using other's names for politics. Why is HKC with the Kirtanananda people like Prahlad who want to see Vaishnavas murdered? That is the real question. ys pd]

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  5. Sulochana was killed. You would have been killed. They need to read the book Monkey On A Stick. I have. Now the HKC are covering up for Kirtanananda. No one was in danger. Really! They were just getting killed, no danger here at all!

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  6. PADA: Yes, anyway this is all very good. This proves that PADA did the right thing going to the police, officer Joe Sanchez, the FBI, the media, CBS TV news, and I was quoted in Rolling Stone Magazine, the New York Times, Time Magazine and so on and so forth. These are the people who saved us Vaishnavas from getting assassinated.

    The Kirtanananda / Prahlad team would have had us killed, whereas these "karmi" people saved us from these Vaishnava assassins. No wonder Prahlad does not like PADA and now he is citing the Radhanath folks as his authority, we went to the outside and got help before he and his cult could kill us. He is just angry he is not able to have more Vaishnava blood on his jack boots. Why does Prahlad want to drink the blood of the Vaishnavas, and why is the HKC making a person who wants to kill devotees their spokesman? Why don't they answer that one for a change? Heh heh, yes we went out and got help and they were not able to kill us, that is what this is all about all along. Too bad, we got help, and lived. ys pd

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  7. PADA: I have answered all this repeatedly, (A) MPD wants to establish Srila Prabhupada as the acharya in the courts, (B) the HKC is citing the Radhanath / Dayaram court case -- a case that wants to STOP Srila Prabhupada from being established, and the Dayaram program cited by the HKC wants to establish their homosexuals and deviants as acharyas program.

    Why are you quoting these people as your authority? And why do we never get this answered?

    In addition, Prahlad says we should be killed, and he is an HKC spokesman. Who authorized you to promote having Vaishnavas assassinated? My neighbor's dog likes Vaishnavas, you folks want to join those who want to kill them, the means the dog is more advanced than you fellows? Or what? You never explain this.

    Gauri Das Pandit has never said he is against the IB, you are making this up. And now you are saying, Kirtanananda is correct, there was never any molesting, murder, and danger to us?

    How come Kirtanananda is now your spokesman and authority? Sorry, the police and FBI said you people are blind fools, PADA is right, there were crimes, molesting, murders and so on going on here. Amazing, you are quoting Kirtanananda's exact statements as the authority for your arguments? KS also said exactly what you said, there was no danger, no crimes, no murders etc. ummm, sorry you are quoting people who are trying to re-write history -- like Kirtanananda.

    Sorry, there were murders, sorry we were on their hit list, sorry we were interviewed by Monkey On A Stick, Rolling Stone Magazine, Time Magazine, and many other medias, in addition to be interviewed by the police, FBI and so on. To say all of this never really happened this way, is ... what Radhanath is trying to establish?

    Why are you on the side of these people, so much so, you are citing their court case to establish molester acharyas programs? You guys are really going into la la la la land, ask the people here in Berkeley if there was not a major criminal operation going on which was dangerous, and which killed people, they know, and one of the reasons they know -- this was in all the newspapers all over the USA, you guys say this never happened? Are you smoking crack? Or has Radhanath brain washed you? ys pd

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  8. *** No you are not answering the question, just ranting again.

    [PADA: You have discredited yourself.

    1) You are citing the GBC's lawsuit as your authority.
    2) Your spokesman has sent me death threats saying he is working with the GBC.
    3) You are saying that our exposing bogus guru appointments, molesting, murder and poison of pure devotees is "not dangerous," and I am being paranoid, which is what the GBC folks say, with is either naive or compromised.
    4) You say Joe Sanchez does not exist, never mind his name is mentioned in many San Francisco newspaper accounts -- when he was arresting Hansadutta's people, and his photo is shown in the book Monkey On A Stick along with his comments. You guys are re-writing the past, but you do not know, we were there, and so was Joe Sanchez.

    *** Why is MPD trying to discredit Jaipur?

    [PADA: You discredited yourself? Look at your statements above, no wonder people are against you, you are making totally crazy and undocumented claims, as we have shown above. And instead of explaining your first problem issues, now you are saying that those of us who exposed all these things were never even in danger, when even the karmi police know that is bogus. Then you wonder why people think you are picking fights for no reason, because, you are.]

    *** You cannot answer that question with bringing in all nonsense like Dayaram, Kirtanananda and lies about the FBI and no one named Joe Sanchez.

    [PADA: OK Joe Sanchez is mentioned extensively in the book Monkey On A Stick, check it out yourself. You guys are not even aware of the history of anything. He was informed by the FBI that I was next on the GBC hit list. Now you are saying what the GBC fools are saying, no, there never was any danger and etc. That is very foolish, it means you are either accepting the GBC's version of history, or you are naive. It also shows, you do not research your claims, at all.

    Srila Prabhupada was saying he was poisoned, we went out with a sign in 1997 announcing that, and we were never in any danger? Srila Prabhupada himself was in danger from these people, he said as much, he said his astrology chart warned of that too, but I am not in danger from the same people? You are not making sense, at all. If no one was in danger exposing the poison issue, that means, there was none? That is what the GBC types say.

    You people are living in a dream world, and that is the problem, every time you say something, its shows how little you have bothered to study anything, and how much you want to over-write the actual history.]

    *** it is MPD that has created this situation, not the other way around. Jaipur is not trying to stop anyone, not involved with anyone not working with anyone. it is MPD that is harassing and disturbing the rtviks in jaipur. you want to twist the truth as you always do. produce just one shred of evidence that you were on any list, produce a list, or a quote or a paper from anyone. you cannot. you were never interviewed for anything. produce the Time magazine article that quoted you. you cannot. produce the NYT article that quoted you. you cannot. prove there was a Joe Sanchez. you cannot. you cannot provide even a shred of evidence for any of your lies. but what others can provide are police reports naming YOU as the crazy, as the on

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  9. [PADA: Really? I was just interviewed for a recent TV show "Deadly Devotion," and everyone knows that, except you guys? Where have you guys been for the past 35 years? Yes, I was interviewed in the past and was interviewed recently, you guys are on a cloud. Anyway, now we know why I had to go public, you guys are always trying to cover things up and re-write history. So we had to record the history more or less in the public, its sad, but that is what had to be done since you guys paid no attention to what was going on. Anyway, I am not seeing where you actually want to come to any peaceful agreements with anyone, rather you are saying everyone else is bogus,bad, a liar, etc,. meanwhile, you cannot keep together a couple of facts we presented. If you have a proposal for a peaceful settlement, we are not seeing it, you are just heaping insults around, which is not going to fix anything. ys pd]

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  10. Alright, Puranjana dasa, since you now claim that you are in some sort a hit list and that you life is threatened, go and make a police or FBI report and publish the report on your blog.

    [PADA: No need to. The Berkeley Police already know all about all my problems since 1986. I am friends with them still. They know you people are a dangerous cult already, they got that in 1979 when they raided the temple here and found tons of guns. The Berkeley police were later on interviewed in the book Monkey On A Stick. The police were doing surveillance on me when the GBC goondas were chasing me, they arrested the goondas. There is a police report.

    You and the Jaipur for truth people think that is all lies, the book does not exist, the threats never existed, the Berkeley Police do not exist, never mind the Berkeley PD are quoted in the book, and in the newspapers and etc. Nothing exists for you people except the voices in your head. Sulochana said you guys are cult zombies, and you must be, since all my "lies" were covered in the media extensively as "facts."]

    *** Don't simply say this or that. Do it now back up your claim. If you don't then we take it that you are simply a liar and a cheat. As for smoking and drinking never touched it in my life. As for me worst than your neighbour's dog, I must be making good progress as earlier you said I worst than your neighbor, the old lady. Hare Krsna

    [PADA: The Jaipur for truth people are disciples of Radhanath. His disciples tell us the same thing as they do, the Monkey On A Stick book is not important -- or does not exist, there were no threats, there is no Joe Sanchez etc., that means -- you are a cult that covers up molesting and murders, what else can we say? And because you folks have been in denial about things like child molesting, the children in your group were committing suicide, because you were deniers of their abuse, you were killing them from your denial of their situation. You folks have no mercy, even for children, what can I say? And when I saved some of your victims of mass denial, then your Jaipur for truth folks like Prahlad attacked me saying we should let the children die, because you wanted the denial to continue and the children's deaths to continue. You people wanted dead children, and you are lecturing me about anything?

    You folks were killing your own children by your denial. So I had to help those children, and the Jaipur for truth people like Prahlad are upset we saved the children, they wanted the denial to continue, because they wanted the children to die. And you Mr. Wyatt are with that group. You are children killers as far as I am concerned. You were killing those children with your denial. So yes, my neighbor grand mother is more advanced than you, she would never says that children have to die so we can save a molester messiahs project. She has more sense than you people do. The good news is, we exposed you folks and the cat is out of the bag. We also exposed that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned by the same group. Anyway Wyatt, like I said, there are a lot of people who agree with me, and many of those people are in the Bangalore group. No wonder you are against them, they know what kind of dangerous cult people you are. The Jaipur for truth people talk exactly like Radhanath's people, let the children die because there was no problem here, there was no molesting, there was no banning,beating and murders, there was no danger, there was no poison of the pure devotee, there is nothing except, the little brain bubbles floating around your heads. Sulochana said, you are zombies, he was right. ys pd]

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  11. Tim Lee cannot produce a single anything to show he is not lying.

    [PADA: Ummm, we were just on TV, the show was called Deadly Devotion. It was seen by millions of people, ok except you bone heads. Everyone knows we were writing papers against the GBC, and many of these documents are STILL found on harekrsna.org. Go read the site.

    Where have you been dude?

    There is no evidence Joe Sanchez exists, there is no evidence we were helping the children? Then, we have people like Prahlad who complains, Puranjan is always working with the karmi police, the karmi courts and media, and this is ruining ISKCON?

    Prahlad is having a nightmare because -- Puranjan is ruining ISKCON, because he has been in the media, he has been in the courts, he has been working with the police etc, so he is ruining the movement because he is working with all these people?

    So we have some critics saying we have done nothing to get help from the authorities, then we have Prahlad saying, all we are doing is working with the karmis to ruin ISKCON. Can you folks make up your minds? Either we have NOT been working on these things with authorities, or we HAVE. Anyway, all the older devotees here in Berkeley know that I was here in the temple in 1984, all my family knows that, and they all remember Joe Sanchez coming here etc. Of course Joe Sanchez knows this. Come to Berkeley and we can sit down with these older devotees, Joe Sanchez and etc. Or ask Prahlad, he says I am ruining ISKCON due to working with all these people. ys pd

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  12. Not sure what your point is? We have to prove what exactly, that we were recently on DISCOVERY TV, and heard by millions of people, because for starters, the Moundsville and Berkeley Police told the TV show producers to consult us? Well who else told the TV producers to consult us, the tooth fairy?

    Not sure how we could "prove" we were either on TV or not on TV? Anyway, most people think that is our voice and not yours. Our friends think you are losing your minds, they say, that's your voice, its not the voice of the forest elf? Whose voice was it that then, we give up, just tell us?

    You seem to be losing the last marble here rolling in your brain here. The TV show got final confirmation to contact us from the police, the police said to the show, yes, this guy is the person who knows all about the case, call this guy. And they did. Now you are asking, how can we prove that were actually on TV, and that was not our sock puppet? No idea what your point is here? Sorry, we were on TV recently, that was not our sock puppet, and yes, we were heard by millions of people. Yes that means the TV is consulting us for the facts of the Sulochana incident, and not you, because you have no facts.

    The website Harekrsna org ALSO gets millions and millions of hits over the years since the late 1990s, and its still strong in terms of readers, and we wrote much of the material there, you did not? We have to prove that people are reading that site since the late 1990s? We think you need to prove people have NOT been reading that site? Or are you saying someone else, the forest elf, wrote these documents? Who else wrote them?

    Whereas on the other hand, nobody ever even bothers to consult you even on the price of flea manure, because, no one even knows what you wrote? We have to prove that Harekrsna org has been getting millions of hits since it was started in the late 1990s? Why should we have to prove that? Tell us why you think the forest elf wrote all the stuff on there, and not us? If you look at site rankings you'll see we have been getting tons of hits there over the years, especially since its been up since the late 1990s. The site has been one of the top rated in terms of hits in the Hare Krishna realm, for years and years. Look it up.

    And if we mentioned the name of Joe Sanchez many times on our site, and we have, and he was not ever in touch with us, why has never complained to take his name down? You cannot go around quoting the police, when they never spoke to us, that is illegal? Why not write Joe Sanchez and tell him we hi-jacked his name? You can't because he was involved. You are losing it.

    Anyway, this is getting rather crazy. (A) We have guys like Prahlad complaining that we are ALWAYS working with the police, media and courts to "destroy ISKCON," and then you come along and say, no, Prahlad is a big fat liar, PADA has NEVER had any connection to the media, police and courts? How can we be both (A) ALWAYS working with the outside people, and (B) NEVER working with the outside people? You guys are both sounding a little insane to be honest, we cannot be both diametrically opposed things at once?

    The truth is somewhere between, we are sometimes consulted by the police, media and courts, and sometimes not. Bottom line is, you guys are going crazy, Prahlad complains we are always working with the authorities to destroy ISKCON, you say there is no evidence we are working with any of the authorities, both of you are cracker pots. Anyway good luck, prove that I am not the person on the recent Discovery channel show, prove our major viewed web site was written by someone else, and so on. Good luck. As for us proving anything, not really required, everyone already knows what we have been saying since 1978. Bhakti Vikas swami recently said that to us, everyone has heard of PADA. Its like well known to everyone, except a few fools hiding under the rocks like yourself. Wake up. ys pd

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  13. We have to prove we have been challenging these gurus since 1978? To whom? We do not have to prove a thing. The Bangalore folks and 100s of other web - sites are right now AS OF today (and have been for many years) posting links to OUR site, Harekrsna org on THEIR sites.

    Original documents from Srila Prabhupada that we posted on OUR SITE in the 1990s are right now re-posted in the DELHI SUPREME COURT right now, as of 2014. Documents on your site, ok you have not even told us you have a site at all?

    Or do you have any proof that you have even one Srila Prabhupada document posted anywhere? And if you did post it, didn't you get it from us because we posted it in 1990s?

    These 100s of sites are NOT linking to your site, because no one ever heard about yours. We were interviewed on TV recently, you were not. We were there at the filming, you were not. Sorry, no one knows about you or your site or anything else. You have to prove who you are and not vice versa. ys pd

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